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| Riddell | good morning | 08:14 |
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| inetpro | good morning Riddell | 08:16 |
| Riddell | mm, backporting docs | 08:58 |
| Riddell | apachelogger___: so, presence widget in system tray, what do you think? | 09:44 |
| Riddell | I'm unsure | 09:44 |
| Riddell | 'So "ibus" should depends on "gnome-icon-theme".' yuck | 09:49 |
| BluesKaj | hiyas all | 11:22 |
| apol | jtechidna: ping | 11:44 |
| jtechidna | apol: pong | 12:16 |
| apol | i wanted to ask you because I'm getting an ugly crash when calling ApplicationModel::reload | 12:16 |
| apol | but for some reason it only happens in the resources branch xD | 12:16 |
| apol | so I'm checking what did I do wrong :S | 12:17 |
| jtechidna | ok | 12:17 |
| jtechidna | apol: btw, I'm sure you saw, but 1.4 is branched and master is back open for new features | 12:17 |
| apol | sure | 12:18 |
| apol | jtechidna: I'll sort these little things out and merge the resources branch, ok? | 12:18 |
| jtechidna | ok | 12:18 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Why do I need another icon in my system tray for 'presence'? | 12:28 |
| Riddell | yeah I don't think it makes much sense | 12:30 |
| Riddell | it would work better if it was integrated into a message indicator, like ours | 12:30 |
| jussi | agateau: ping? | 12:38 |
| agateau | jussi: pong | 12:41 |
| jussi | agateau: Pm? | 12:41 |
| agateau | jussi: sure | 12:42 |
| apachelogger___ | Riddell: mosdef on presence widget | 12:43 |
| apachelogger___ | I actually have a patch for that | 12:43 |
| apachelogger___ | s/patch/change in kds/ | 12:43 |
| kubotu | apachelogger___ meant: "I actually have a change in kds for that" | 12:43 |
| Riddell | apachelogger___: a patch to k-d-s? | 12:55 |
| ScottK | apachelogger___: What essential thing will this widget do? | 12:55 |
| apachelogger___ | allow you to control your telepathy presence | 12:57 |
| apachelogger___ | and open the contacts list | 12:58 |
| apachelogger___ | and add new accounts | 12:58 |
| apachelogger___ | Riddell: we'd obviously be adding it via the plasma config magic | 12:59 |
| ScottK | apachelogger___: Those are things that I do approximately never and I think I'm not alone. 'presence' happens or not based on if I'm connected to a network and adjusting accounts/contacts is very rare. | 13:02 |
| ScottK | -1 on systray icons for stuff that's rarely used. | 13:02 |
| apachelogger___ | yeah | 13:03 |
| apachelogger___ | we otherwise have no way to get to a connect ktp instance without going through the menu thus making it completely opaque to the user whether he is connected to IM or not | 13:04 |
| apachelogger___ | so that is not really an arguable change as it is right now th eonly way to actually achieve transparency | 13:04 |
| ScottK | Sounds like bogus design. | 13:05 |
| ScottK | I supposed if we make the systray icon autohide by default it wouldn't be horrible. | 13:05 |
| apachelogger___ | that leads to the very same problem | 13:06 |
| apachelogger___ | it should hide when not connected | 13:06 |
| ScottK | We've survived without a connection indication in the systray so far. Why is it now essential to add clutter? | 13:09 |
| apachelogger___ | we have not | 13:09 |
| apachelogger___ | when kopete was running it was attached to the message-indicator | 13:10 |
| ScottK | Yes, but you can't tell from the m-i if kopete is running without clicking on it. | 13:10 |
| apachelogger___ | when it was not running, it was not connected and thus did not need visual presentation | 13:10 |
| ScottK | All the m-i icon tells you is that something is running. | 13:10 |
| apachelogger___ | since telepathy however is session bound rather than application bound you need a global indication of what is going on | 13:10 |
| apachelogger___ | ScottK: so? | 13:11 |
| ScottK | To know kopete is running, you have to click on the m-i icon. | 13:12 |
| ScottK | So that information is one click away. | 13:12 |
| ScottK | Same with a hidden icon. | 13:12 |
| apachelogger___ | eh | 13:12 |
| apachelogger___ | ok | 13:12 |
| ScottK | We should either integrate the KTP stuff into M-I or get rid of it. | 13:12 |
| ScottK | Right now M-I supports (AFAIK) three ~normal things on the desktop: mail/IRC/IM. | 13:13 |
| * apachelogger___ points at the harsh mistress that is reality | 13:13 | |
| ScottK | The mail bit is rather useless since who doesn't have unread mail. | 13:13 |
| ScottK | That leaves M-I being a nice way to integrate IRC/IM status. | 13:14 |
| ScottK | If we're dropping Kopete for KTP, that leaves just IRC unless we integrate it. | 13:14 |
| apachelogger___ | yes | 13:15 |
| ScottK | I have come to like the M-I history. When I've been away from my computer and I've been highlighted on 5 different channels, I can see a lists of who and when. | 13:15 |
| apachelogger___ | has nothing todo with presence control though | 13:15 |
| apachelogger___ | as there is no MI integration the only way to do that now is through the presence plasmoid | 13:15 |
| ScottK | Sure. Now. | 13:16 |
| * ScottK thought evilshadeslayer was working on it. | 13:16 | |
| ScottK | (or someone) | 13:16 |
| apachelogger___ | there is some sort of showstopper | 13:17 |
| ScottK | Sigh. | 13:18 |
| ScottK | Personally, if agateau and Sput could get together and make it so the extended highlight history that I get from M-I was available through the Quassel systray icon instead, I'd be OK with seeing M-I go. | 13:19 |
| apachelogger___ | ScottK: don't you get the same notifications from kde anyway? | 13:25 |
| ScottK | apachelogger___: If I'm sitting here I get a notification. Where the m-i is useful is if I've been away I click on it and I get a whole list of my highlights. | 13:26 |
| apachelogger___ | you should also have a list of kde notifications in the plasma thingy | 13:27 |
| ScottK | The KDE notification history has the notification, but it lacks the channel and time information. | 13:27 |
| apachelogger___ | just needs adding in quassel | 13:27 |
| ScottK | Also that gets all mixed up with other crap notifications that I don't care about. | 13:27 |
| ScottK | No. I think it's different. | 13:28 |
| ScottK | If you're getting a notification in real time, you don't need to know what time it was sent in the notification. You know already. | 13:28 |
| ScottK | If you're looking at history, it's different. | 13:28 |
| ScottK | Can plasma pop one set of information in the actual notification and write something different in the history? | 13:29 |
| apachelogger___ | *shrug* | 13:30 |
| apachelogger___ | also I don't see the harm in including hte time eitherway | 13:30 |
| ScottK | Unnecessary cutter. | 13:32 |
| Riddell | why can't I make symbols files which work across platforms any more? http://paste.kde.org/519596/ | 13:36 |
| Riddell | pkgkde-symbolshelper seems to have lots its magic | 13:36 |
| * ScottK blames gcc4.7. | 13:40 | |
| ScottK | Riddell: I'd ask MoDax. | 13:40 |
| debfx | Riddell: are you actually using the pkgkde symbolshelper in debian/rules? | 14:00 |
| debfx | also creating a symbols file for libkolabxml seems to be impossible to maintain as long as it's not using -fvisiblity=hidden | 14:01 |
| Riddell | debfx: just looking at what you did, I seem to have missed out on pkgkde symbolshelper in debian/rules | 14:07 |
| Riddell | do you know what's the difference? | 14:07 |
| debfx | difference between what? | 14:08 |
| Riddell | debfx: between using pkgkde-gensymbols as dpkg-gensymbols and not, why is that now necessary | 14:09 |
| debfx | it was always necessary. the pkgkde dpkg-gensymbols knowns about subst and prints patch headers so pkgkde-symbolshelper can update the symbols file | 14:11 |
| Riddell | oh does it get added by --with kde but this doesn't use --with kde so it needs it explicitly? | 14:12 |
| debfx | yes | 14:12 |
| Riddell | that'll be it | 14:13 |
| Riddell | debfx: "Switch to debhelper compat level v9 which exports build flags" exports to what? | 14:20 |
| debfx | the environment | 14:20 |
| debfx | (since dpkg-buildpackage doesn't do that anymore) | 14:25 |
| Quintasan | \o | 15:17 |
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| Quintasan | shadeslayer: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1779133 | 20:36 |
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| Quintasan | shadeslayer: Also, no XBMC for Tegra 2. No NEON instruction set support | 20:43 |
| Quintasan | :D | 20:43 |
| Quintasan | More like :/ | 20:43 |
| highvoltage | hey Quintasan | 20:43 |
| highvoltage | how are things? | 20:43 |
| Quintasan | highvoltage: Slowly getting done with all the university stuff. | 20:44 |
| Quintasan | Still need to sign the flat rent contract | 20:45 |
| Quintasan | And quite possibly I will get 1Gbit connection in the flat | 20:45 |
| Quintasan | Not sure whether it will really run at full speed but hell, we are splitting the cost on 4 people | 20:45 |
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