=== apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger___ === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter === skreech__ is now known as Daskreech === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [08:14] good morning [08:16] good morning Riddell [08:58] mm, backporting docs [09:44] apachelogger___: so, presence widget in system tray, what do you think? [09:44] I'm unsure [09:49] 'So "ibus" should depends on "gnome-icon-theme".' yuck [11:22] hiyas all [11:44] jtechidna: ping [12:16] apol: pong [12:16] i wanted to ask you because I'm getting an ugly crash when calling ApplicationModel::reload [12:16] but for some reason it only happens in the resources branch xD [12:17] so I'm checking what did I do wrong :S [12:17] ok [12:17] apol: btw, I'm sure you saw, but 1.4 is branched and master is back open for new features [12:18] sure [12:18] jtechidna: I'll sort these little things out and merge the resources branch, ok? [12:18] ok [12:28] Riddell: Why do I need another icon in my system tray for 'presence'? [12:30] yeah I don't think it makes much sense [12:30] it would work better if it was integrated into a message indicator, like ours [12:38] agateau: ping? [12:41] jussi: pong [12:41] agateau: Pm? [12:42] jussi: sure [12:43] Riddell: mosdef on presence widget [12:43] I actually have a patch for that [12:43] s/patch/change in kds/ [12:43] apachelogger___ meant: "I actually have a change in kds for that" [12:55] apachelogger___: a patch to k-d-s? [12:55] apachelogger___: What essential thing will this widget do? [12:57] allow you to control your telepathy presence [12:58] and open the contacts list [12:58] and add new accounts [12:59] Riddell: we'd obviously be adding it via the plasma config magic [13:02] apachelogger___: Those are things that I do approximately never and I think I'm not alone. 'presence' happens or not based on if I'm connected to a network and adjusting accounts/contacts is very rare. [13:02] -1 on systray icons for stuff that's rarely used. [13:03] yeah [13:04] we otherwise have no way to get to a connect ktp instance without going through the menu thus making it completely opaque to the user whether he is connected to IM or not [13:04] so that is not really an arguable change as it is right now th eonly way to actually achieve transparency [13:05] Sounds like bogus design. [13:05] I supposed if we make the systray icon autohide by default it wouldn't be horrible. [13:06] that leads to the very same problem [13:06] it should hide when not connected [13:09] We've survived without a connection indication in the systray so far. Why is it now essential to add clutter? [13:09] we have not [13:10] when kopete was running it was attached to the message-indicator [13:10] Yes, but you can't tell from the m-i if kopete is running without clicking on it. [13:10] when it was not running, it was not connected and thus did not need visual presentation [13:10] All the m-i icon tells you is that something is running. [13:10] since telepathy however is session bound rather than application bound you need a global indication of what is going on [13:11] ScottK: so? [13:12] To know kopete is running, you have to click on the m-i icon. [13:12] So that information is one click away. [13:12] Same with a hidden icon. [13:12] eh [13:12] ok [13:12] We should either integrate the KTP stuff into M-I or get rid of it. [13:13] Right now M-I supports (AFAIK) three ~normal things on the desktop: mail/IRC/IM. [13:13] * apachelogger___ points at the harsh mistress that is reality [13:13] The mail bit is rather useless since who doesn't have unread mail. [13:14] That leaves M-I being a nice way to integrate IRC/IM status. [13:14] If we're dropping Kopete for KTP, that leaves just IRC unless we integrate it. [13:15] yes [13:15] I have come to like the M-I history. When I've been away from my computer and I've been highlighted on 5 different channels, I can see a lists of who and when. [13:15] has nothing todo with presence control though [13:15] as there is no MI integration the only way to do that now is through the presence plasmoid [13:16] Sure. Now. [13:16] * ScottK thought evilshadeslayer was working on it. [13:16] (or someone) [13:17] there is some sort of showstopper [13:18] Sigh. [13:19] Personally, if agateau and Sput could get together and make it so the extended highlight history that I get from M-I was available through the Quassel systray icon instead, I'd be OK with seeing M-I go. [13:25] ScottK: don't you get the same notifications from kde anyway? [13:26] apachelogger___: If I'm sitting here I get a notification. Where the m-i is useful is if I've been away I click on it and I get a whole list of my highlights. [13:27] you should also have a list of kde notifications in the plasma thingy [13:27] The KDE notification history has the notification, but it lacks the channel and time information. [13:27] just needs adding in quassel [13:27] Also that gets all mixed up with other crap notifications that I don't care about. [13:28] No. I think it's different. [13:28] If you're getting a notification in real time, you don't need to know what time it was sent in the notification. You know already. [13:28] If you're looking at history, it's different. [13:29] Can plasma pop one set of information in the actual notification and write something different in the history? [13:30] *shrug* [13:30] also I don't see the harm in including hte time eitherway [13:32] Unnecessary cutter. [13:36] why can't I make symbols files which work across platforms any more? http://paste.kde.org/519596/ [13:36] pkgkde-symbolshelper seems to have lots its magic [13:40] * ScottK blames gcc4.7. [13:40] Riddell: I'd ask MoDax. [14:00] Riddell: are you actually using the pkgkde symbolshelper in debian/rules? [14:01] also creating a symbols file for libkolabxml seems to be impossible to maintain as long as it's not using -fvisiblity=hidden [14:07] debfx: just looking at what you did, I seem to have missed out on pkgkde symbolshelper in debian/rules [14:07] do you know what's the difference? [14:08] difference between what? [14:09] debfx: between using pkgkde-gensymbols as dpkg-gensymbols and not, why is that now necessary [14:11] it was always necessary. the pkgkde dpkg-gensymbols knowns about subst and prints patch headers so pkgkde-symbolshelper can update the symbols file [14:12] oh does it get added by --with kde but this doesn't use --with kde so it needs it explicitly? [14:12] yes [14:13] that'll be it [14:20] debfx: "Switch to debhelper compat level v9 which exports build flags" exports to what? [14:20] the environment [14:25] (since dpkg-buildpackage doesn't do that anymore) [15:17] \o === inetpro_ is now known as inetpro === zarvox_ is now known as zarvox [20:36] shadeslayer: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1779133 === Riddelll is now known as Riddell [20:43] shadeslayer: Also, no XBMC for Tegra 2. No NEON instruction set support [20:43] :D [20:43] More like :/ [20:43] hey Quintasan [20:43] how are things? [20:44] highvoltage: Slowly getting done with all the university stuff. [20:45] Still need to sign the flat rent contract [20:45] And quite possibly I will get 1Gbit connection in the flat [20:45] Not sure whether it will really run at full speed but hell, we are splitting the cost on 4 people === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant