[08:14] <Riddell> good morning
[08:16] <inetpro> good morning Riddell
[08:58] <Riddell> mm, backporting docs
[09:44] <Riddell> apachelogger___: so, presence widget in system tray, what do you think?
[09:44] <Riddell> I'm unsure
[09:49] <Riddell> 'So "ibus" should depends on "gnome-icon-theme".'  yuck
[11:22] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[11:44] <apol> jtechidna: ping
[12:16] <jtechidna> apol: pong
[12:16] <apol> i wanted to ask you because I'm getting an ugly crash when calling ApplicationModel::reload
[12:16] <apol> but for some reason it only happens in the resources branch xD
[12:17] <apol> so I'm checking what did I do wrong :S
[12:17] <jtechidna> ok
[12:17] <jtechidna> apol: btw, I'm sure you saw, but 1.4 is branched and master is back open for new features
[12:18] <apol> sure
[12:18] <apol> jtechidna: I'll sort these little things out and merge the resources branch, ok?
[12:18] <jtechidna> ok
[12:28] <ScottK> Riddell: Why do I need another icon in my system tray for 'presence'?
[12:30] <Riddell> yeah I don't think it makes much sense
[12:30] <Riddell> it would work better if it was integrated into a message indicator, like ours
[12:38] <jussi> agateau: ping?
[12:41] <agateau> jussi: pong
[12:41] <jussi> agateau: Pm?
[12:42] <agateau> jussi: sure
[12:43] <apachelogger___> Riddell: mosdef on presence widget
[12:43] <apachelogger___> I actually have a patch for that
[12:43] <apachelogger___> s/patch/change in kds/
[12:43] <kubotu> apachelogger___ meant: "I actually have a change in kds for that"
[12:55] <Riddell> apachelogger___: a patch to k-d-s?
[12:55] <ScottK> apachelogger___: What essential thing will this widget do?
[12:57] <apachelogger___> allow you to control your telepathy presence
[12:58] <apachelogger___> and open the contacts list
[12:58] <apachelogger___> and add new accounts
[12:59] <apachelogger___> Riddell: we'd obviously be adding it via the plasma config magic
[13:02] <ScottK> apachelogger___: Those are things that I do approximately never and I think I'm not alone.  'presence' happens or not based on if I'm connected to a network and adjusting accounts/contacts is very rare.
[13:02] <ScottK> -1 on systray icons for stuff that's rarely used.
[13:03] <apachelogger___> yeah
[13:04] <apachelogger___> we otherwise have no way to get to a connect ktp instance without going through the menu thus making it completely opaque to the user whether he is connected to IM or not
[13:04] <apachelogger___> so that is not really an arguable change as it is right now th eonly way to actually achieve transparency
[13:05] <ScottK> Sounds like bogus design.
[13:05] <ScottK> I supposed if we make the systray icon autohide by default it wouldn't be horrible.
[13:06] <apachelogger___> that leads to the very same problem
[13:06] <apachelogger___> it should hide when not connected
[13:09] <ScottK> We've survived without a connection indication in the systray so far.  Why is it now essential to add clutter?
[13:09] <apachelogger___> we have not
[13:10] <apachelogger___> when kopete was running it was attached to the message-indicator
[13:10] <ScottK> Yes, but you can't tell from the m-i if kopete is running without clicking on it.
[13:10] <apachelogger___> when it was not running, it was not connected and thus did not need visual presentation
[13:10] <ScottK> All the m-i icon tells you is that something is running.
[13:10] <apachelogger___> since telepathy however is session bound rather than application bound you need a global indication of what is going on
[13:11] <apachelogger___> ScottK: so?
[13:12] <ScottK> To know kopete is running, you have to click on the m-i icon.
[13:12] <ScottK> So that information is one click away.
[13:12] <ScottK> Same with a hidden icon.
[13:12] <apachelogger___> eh
[13:12] <apachelogger___> ok
[13:12] <ScottK> We should either integrate the KTP stuff into M-I or get rid of it.
[13:13] <ScottK> Right now M-I supports (AFAIK) three ~normal things on the desktop: mail/IRC/IM.
[13:13]  * apachelogger___ points at the harsh mistress that is reality
[13:13] <ScottK> The mail bit is rather useless since who doesn't have unread mail.
[13:14] <ScottK> That leaves M-I being a nice way to integrate IRC/IM status.
[13:14] <ScottK> If we're dropping Kopete for KTP, that leaves just IRC unless we integrate it.
[13:15] <apachelogger___> yes
[13:15] <ScottK> I have come to like the M-I history.  When I've been away from my computer and I've been highlighted on 5 different channels, I can see a lists of who and when.
[13:15] <apachelogger___> has nothing todo with presence control though
[13:15] <apachelogger___> as there is no MI integration the only way to do that now is through the presence plasmoid
[13:16] <ScottK> Sure.  Now.
[13:16]  * ScottK thought evilshadeslayer was working on it.
[13:16] <ScottK> (or someone)
[13:17] <apachelogger___> there is some sort of showstopper
[13:18] <ScottK> Sigh.
[13:19] <ScottK> Personally, if agateau and Sput could get together and make it so the extended highlight history that I get from M-I was available through the Quassel systray icon instead, I'd be OK with seeing M-I go.
[13:25] <apachelogger___> ScottK: don't you get the same notifications from kde anyway?
[13:26] <ScottK> apachelogger___: If I'm sitting here I get a notification.  Where the m-i is useful is if I've been away I click on it and I get a whole list of my highlights.
[13:27] <apachelogger___> you should also have a list of kde notifications in the plasma thingy
[13:27] <ScottK> The KDE notification history has the notification, but it lacks the channel and time information.
[13:27] <apachelogger___> just needs adding in quassel
[13:27] <ScottK> Also that gets all mixed up with other crap notifications that I don't care about.
[13:28] <ScottK> No.  I think it's different.
[13:28] <ScottK> If you're getting a notification in real time, you don't need to know what time it was sent in the notification.  You know already.
[13:28] <ScottK> If you're looking at history, it's different.
[13:29] <ScottK> Can plasma pop one set of information in the actual notification and write something different in the history?
[13:30] <apachelogger___> *shrug*
[13:30] <apachelogger___> also I don't see the harm in including hte time eitherway
[13:32] <ScottK> Unnecessary cutter.
[13:36] <Riddell> why can't I make symbols files which work across platforms any more? http://paste.kde.org/519596/
[13:36] <Riddell> pkgkde-symbolshelper seems to have lots its magic
[13:40]  * ScottK blames gcc4.7.
[13:40] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd ask MoDax.
[14:00] <debfx> Riddell: are you actually using the pkgkde symbolshelper in debian/rules?
[14:01] <debfx> also creating a symbols file for libkolabxml seems to be impossible to maintain as long as it's not using -fvisiblity=hidden
[14:07] <Riddell> debfx: just looking at what you did, I seem to have missed out on pkgkde symbolshelper in debian/rules
[14:07] <Riddell> do you know what's the difference?
[14:08] <debfx> difference between what?
[14:09] <Riddell> debfx: between using pkgkde-gensymbols as dpkg-gensymbols and not, why is that now necessary
[14:11] <debfx> it was always necessary. the pkgkde dpkg-gensymbols knowns about subst and prints patch headers so pkgkde-symbolshelper can update the symbols file
[14:12] <Riddell> oh does it get added by --with kde but this doesn't use --with kde so it needs it explicitly?
[14:12] <debfx> yes
[14:13] <Riddell> that'll be it
[14:20] <Riddell> debfx: "Switch to debhelper compat level v9 which exports build flags"  exports to what?
[14:20] <debfx> the environment
[14:25] <debfx> (since dpkg-buildpackage doesn't do that anymore)
[15:17] <Quintasan> \o
[20:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1779133
[20:43] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Also, no XBMC for Tegra 2. No NEON instruction set support
[20:43] <Quintasan> :D
[20:43] <Quintasan> More like :/
[20:43] <highvoltage> hey Quintasan 
[20:43] <highvoltage> how are things?
[20:44] <Quintasan> highvoltage: Slowly getting done with all the university stuff.
[20:45] <Quintasan> Still need to sign the flat rent contract
[20:45] <Quintasan> And quite possibly I will get 1Gbit connection in the flat
[20:45] <Quintasan> Not sure whether it will really run at full speed but hell, we are splitting the cost on 4 people