[08:45] <peterrus> how would I start finding out why my DRM is broken?
[08:49] <peterrus>  might ask the wrong question here though
[08:49] <peterrus> but my /sys/class/drm folder is not populated (only with 'version')
[08:50] <peterrus> so I can not change brightness or use vga/hdmi
[08:50] <peterrus> i use a intel HD4000
[08:50] <peterrus>  which should use the i915 module if I recall correctly
[08:50] <peterrus> this all used to work, until a few days ago
[08:50] <peterrus> I am not sure what caused it though
[08:58] <peterrus> furthermore would there be a difference in installing alpha-2 and then updating
[08:58] <peterrus> or just directly download QQ current
[08:58] <peterrus> install that and update
[08:58] <peterrus> because I might just be running some broken current build, while the rest of you is on alpha and have no problems whatsoever
[09:05] <peterrus> I am using a dual videocard setup with the second card (a nvidia card) turned off through bumblebee/optimus
[09:05] <peterrus> this thread however states that my nvidia driver is broken http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2012370
[09:06] <peterrus> might have something to do with it, but still, I should be using the intel card
[09:06] <peterrus> so maybe not
[09:22] <peterrus> rolling back the nvidia driver
[09:24] <ior3k> does anyone know what control-alt-\ is bound to?
[09:34] <peterrus> that made no difference
[09:34] <peterrus> I also get a lot of these: http://i.imgur.com/QpdQQ.jpg
[09:34] <peterrus> and then the system wont boot further
[09:34] <peterrus> it seems to happen random at boots
[09:34] <peterrus> sometimes I can get past them
[09:34] <peterrus> sometimes I wont get them
[09:34] <peterrus> and sometimes they just dont occur
[10:05] <peterrus> according to these changelogs nothing changed in the intel drivers for quite some time
[10:05] <peterrus> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+changelog
[11:22] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[11:25] <penguin42> Hey BK
[11:36] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42
[11:37] <penguin42> BluesKaj: How goes? I did a nice fresh QQ install yesterday onto my nice fresh SSD :-)
[11:39] <BluesKaj> oh , nice ssd , is it fast
[11:39] <BluesKaj> ?
[11:39] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh, apt is just lightening fast, boot is faster - although there is still a delay going on somewhere I'll track down - but time from login until the desktop is ready is very quick
[11:40] <BluesKaj> cool
[11:40] <penguin42> hdparm -Tt is giving me 249MB/s - limited by my SATA-2 controller I assume
[11:41] <BluesKaj> at boot the hdd diskcheck runs everytime , I've ried various commands I found on google etc , but none work , any ideas?
[11:41] <penguin42> that shouldn't happen - it should only be every so often
[11:41] <penguin42> unless you're not shutting down properly?
[11:42] <penguin42> BluesKaj: The normal thing to use is tune2fs -C and -i
[11:43] <BluesKaj> no , penguin42 it happened after I tested a text to speech app , that had a glitch and ran it from the TTY, ...tune2fs set at -1 but it makes no difference
[11:43] <penguin42> -1 ? Should be 0 -   tuen2fs -c 0 -i 0
[11:45] <penguin42> but if it happened after something bad, I'd boot from a cd/thumb and do an fsck and see if it gives any moans
[11:48] <BluesKaj> tune2fs -c 0 -i 0 , gives whole lot of suggestions showing various options , like the command wasn't finished
[11:48] <penguin42> tune2fs -c 0 -i 0 /dev/sdwhatever
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Setting interval between checks to 0 seconds ...??
[11:52] <penguin42> yeh, I think that means don't bother
[11:53] <BluesKaj> not to check
[11:54] <BluesKaj> ok , rebooting , to make sure
[11:59] <penguin42> ><breakfast
[12:10] <BluesKaj> nope , I even treid the command from the other drive , but no change ...the hdd is till being checked everytime I boot in
[12:11] <BluesKaj> tune2fs seems to have absolutely no effect
[12:21] <BluesKaj> unmounted the drives and did the tune2fs thing , not effective , as if the there's some other setting that's overwrting or over riding the tune2fs settings
[12:22] <Pici> BluesKaj: is there a /forcefsck file?
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Pici, let me check
[12:25] <BluesKaj> no /forcefsck file in /
[12:36] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What happens if you unmount, and do a full fsck ?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> fsck.ext2: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda m Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> this is after unmounting the sda drive , I'm on the main drive which is sdb , these are not partitions , I use 2 hdds on this pc  , this main drive has 12.04 installed on it and the one deignated as sda (for some unknown reason) has the constant diskccheck , with 12.10 installed
[14:35] <peterrus> what would be the foremost reason that my /sys/class/drm/ folder only contains 'version' and not 'card0' like it did a few days ago when running a fully updated quantal?
[14:36] <peterrus> I cant seem to pinpoint the problem
[14:41] <penguin42> what type of card?
[15:04] <peterrus> penguin42: intel HD4000
[15:18] <penguin42> peterrus: Can you pastebin the output of dmesg? and perhaps also your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[15:19] <peterrus> penguin42: yes, I am currently reinstalling though, but this will likely give the same results, when I am there i will
[15:19] <peterrus> should not take too long (ssd)
[15:21] <penguin42> ok, no rush
[15:22] <peterrus> just in case I am doing very strange:
[15:22] <peterrus> I reinstall quantal from the alpha 2 cd
[15:22] <peterrus> and then I will look if that folder is populated
[15:23] <peterrus> i noticed that when its not, I can´t change my screens brightness
[15:23] <peterrus> and waking from suspend does not turn the screen on
[15:29] <BluesKaj> ok , fixed the constant fsck when booting up , the "pass" entry value in fstab was set to to 2 , instead of 1 or 0 . How that happened is beyond me.
[15:37] <peterrus> penguin42, ok, just after the installation everything works fine
[15:37] <penguin42> peterrus: Oh well
[15:37] <peterrus> however I need to update for my brightness slider to work,so I will do that
[15:37] <peterrus> and then it probably goes wron
[15:37] <peterrus> lets try
[15:37] <penguin42> BluesKaj: However, even with it set to 2 I don't see why it does that?
[15:38] <peterrus> penguin42, should I do a dist-upgrade or a upgrade?
[15:40] <peterrus> pretty sure I should dist-upgrade
[15:41] <peterrus> but I can always do that later, so upgrade first, reboot, check if it works, and then dist-upgrade
[15:44] <penguin42> peterrus: I tend to do dist-upgrades during the alpha processes
[15:44] <philinux> Have you guys seen the new nautilus
[15:45] <philinux> Updates came through today
[15:45] <IdleOne> you mean http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/07/new-look-nautilus-lands-in-ubuntu-12-10-not-qui
[15:46] <philinux> Yep
[15:48] <IdleOne> someone was asking if we were going to get the new nautilus yesterday in another channel. looks like we are
[15:49] <philinux> 3.5.4 turned up today it crashed a couple of times so far
[15:49] <philinux> or refused to start
[15:53] <peterrus> philinux: probably having the same issues
[15:54] <philinux> I love testing
[15:55] <peterrus> philinux: at the moment I dont XD as quantal is the only thing that properly works on my new laptop xD
[15:55] <penguin42> peterrus: What's your hardware?
[15:55] <peterrus> Asus Zenbook UX32VD
[15:55] <philinux> peterrus: ah then that could be problematic
[15:55] <peterrus> ivy bridge i5, intel HD4000 + Geforce 610m
[15:56] <penguin42> spangly
[15:56] <penguin42> peterrus: How does PP fail?
[15:56] <peterrus> pp?
[15:56] <philinux> 12.04
[15:57] <peterrus> no way to set the brightness, and I cant seem to get DRM working either
[15:57]  * penguin42 thinks I saw one of those in a shop yesterday - nice big trackpad
[15:57] <peterrus> its all really random, I have tested so much configurations now that I kinda forgot
[15:57] <BluesKaj> penguin42, here's the explanation I found, http://everyjoe.com/technology/explanation-the-fstab-file/
[15:57] <peterrus> penguin42: yes, I absolutely love the hardware, coming from a macbook
[15:58] <penguin42> peterrus: My best guess with that hardware is the way it's got the mixed intel/nvidia hybrid graphics - that's generally hard to get working properly; normally the problem is something like it deciding to use the other graphics card some of the time, so the driver for the other doesn't start - but I've not had a chance to play with that type of hybrid graphics
[15:58] <peterrus> penguin42: I use bumblebee to turn of the nvidia card
[15:58] <peterrus> this works
[15:58] <penguin42> ok
[15:59] <peterrus> there is currently no way to actually use it, but I dont really care at the moment
[15:59] <penguin42> sometimes the bioses have ways of disabling them as wel
[15:59] <peterrus> as long as I get vga + hdmi working
[15:59] <peterrus> this one doesn´t :(
[15:59] <penguin42> hmph, not nice of it
[15:59] <peterrus> its a EFI actually XD
[15:59] <peterrus> not a bios
[15:59] <penguin42> yeh
[16:00] <peterrus> so well, after the upgrade everything still works, however, no unity, I can start it, but no taskbar nor launcher appears, when I start unity 2D everything seems fine though
[16:00] <peterrus> so lets go for the dist-upgrade
[16:00] <penguin42> that sounds like the intel graphics isn't too happy
[16:00] <penguin42> but I'm on KDE not unity on my QQ setup, so I don't know the current state
[16:01] <penguin42> peterrus: You said you needed to use bumblebee to disable the nvidia; that's not in the repos - so you had to get that from somewhere?
[16:01] <peterrus> least of my trouble now ;)
[16:01] <peterrus> penguin42: correct, from their ppa, and it is only released for precise so I had to do some sources.list hackery, but It is not installed at the moment,
[16:02] <peterrus> trying to pinpoint the problem, so that will be one of the last steps I take
[16:02] <peterrus> I also got some kernel panics along the way, hope I can track the source of them too
[16:02] <penguin42> peterrus: ok, try and keep notes - if something like that is a required to get QQ to work on your hardware it would be good to flag a bug early
[16:03] <peterrus> penguin42: yes, I have no idea what to report and what not, so if you see something coming along, please tell me
[16:04] <peterrus> there is also a nasty dkms ´patch´ I need to install for the asus-wmi module to get some functionkeys working on the keyboard (keyboardbacklight, trackpad disable, and sound volume)
[16:04] <peterrus> so something I will install as last step as well, to not taint my installation with non QQ stuff
[16:04] <penguin42> peterrus: If anything doesn't work out of the box report it
[16:04] <peterrus> ok
[16:05] <peterrus> making notes
[16:05] <penguin42> peterrus: Add a comment to say how you worked around it
[16:05] <peterrus> will do
[16:05] <peterrus> in the bumblebee case there probably already is bug
[16:07] <peterrus> ah, dist-upgrade installs a new kernel
[16:10] <penguin42> peterrus: OK, worth checking, and hey if you get it all sorted out you might want to put a blog/comemnt on a help page/something saying everything you needed to do to get that model to work
[16:10] <penguin42> for the next guy along
[16:10] <peterrus> penguin42: yes i am already logging al my findings in a thread, and when I find a reproducable way I will document it
[16:10] <penguin42> cool
[16:11] <peterrus> thread @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2005999
[16:11] <penguin42> peterrus: Your kernel oopses; are they going to log files that you can report, or they just landing on the screen ?
[16:11] <peterrus> penguin42: just on the screen, I can take pictures though
[16:11] <peterrus> well the system still booted, that is new
[16:11] <penguin42> yeh, I'd be happy to look at pictures of them and see if I can think of anything
[16:12] <peterrus> and /sys/class/drm is still populated
[16:12] <peterrus> going to do a full root backup first
[16:13] <peterrus> unity also works again
[16:13] <peterrus> so that is good
[16:13] <penguin42> peterrus: Cool - obviously QQ is in alpha and anything may or may not break at any moment; so hold on to your hat :-)
[16:14] <peterrus> so now its time for the non QQ stuff
[16:14] <peterrus> I will start with nvidia-current + bumblebee
[16:52] <peterrus> alright, nvidia current broke nothing
[16:52] <peterrus> so all ubuntu QQ stuff works
[16:52] <peterrus> another backup and then try bumblebee
[17:38] <peterrus> wow
[17:38] <peterrus> it survived bumblebee
[17:38] <peterrus> this is getting good
[20:56] <penguin42> is anyone else having problems with hierarchical list widgets in gtk apps? The ones which you're supposed to click on a > to open the subtree - there being very difficult to open for me
[20:57] <penguin42> oh, it's oxygen-gtk's mess
[21:05] <penguin42> right, that's bug 1026328
[23:13] <atari2600a> maybe this channel'd be more helpful
[23:13] <atari2600a> anyone know when alien arena 7.60 is hitting ubuntu repos
[23:13] <atari2600a> also
[23:13] <atari2600a> um
[23:13] <atari2600a> good luck with that wayland shipping in 12.10
[23:14] <atari2600a> I mean, it's not gonna happen but good luck :P
[23:14] <penguin42> atari2600a: Is 7.60 in debian yet?
[23:14] <atari2600a> not sure
[23:14] <atari2600a> but it was released about 12 days ago
[23:15] <penguin42> ok, so I think it's a 1st not until it's in debian
[23:15] <atari2600a> no the one on the debian servers is even older
[23:15] <penguin42> and it looks like it's missed the DebianImportFreeze (that was July 5th)
[23:16] <penguin42> atari2600a: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[23:16] <atari2600a> it's not a debian project...
[23:16] <atari2600a> I don't know whether you're over or under thinking this
[23:16] <trism> it can still be synced manually if debian updates soon
[23:17] <penguin42> atari2600a: but most packages in Ubuntu come through debian (there are some exceptions - I don't know about alien-arena specifically)
[23:18] <penguin42> looks to me like the ubuntu one is exactly the same as the debian one, so I expect it is going that route
[23:18] <atari2600a> debian hasn't updated the package in months/years though it looks like
[23:18] <atari2600a> it's not debian's thing to update third-party packages
[23:18] <penguin42> debian sid is on 7.53
[23:19] <atari2600a> that's why debian users are the ones grooming their neckbeards:  it's all about adding other repos
[23:19] <penguin42> atari2600a: So you can submit a bug to ask for an update to one or both of the ubuntu bug or debian bug systems
[23:20] <penguin42> ....and anyway, this beard is just fine
[23:20] <atari2600a> that reminds me my goatee is starting to look disney villian-y
[23:20] <atari2600a> gotta go