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| peterrus | how would I start finding out why my DRM is broken? | 08:45 |
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| peterrus | might ask the wrong question here though | 08:49 |
| peterrus | but my /sys/class/drm folder is not populated (only with 'version') | 08:49 |
| peterrus | so I can not change brightness or use vga/hdmi | 08:50 |
| peterrus | i use a intel HD4000 | 08:50 |
| peterrus | which should use the i915 module if I recall correctly | 08:50 |
| peterrus | this all used to work, until a few days ago | 08:50 |
| peterrus | I am not sure what caused it though | 08:50 |
| peterrus | furthermore would there be a difference in installing alpha-2 and then updating | 08:58 |
| peterrus | or just directly download QQ current | 08:58 |
| peterrus | install that and update | 08:58 |
| peterrus | because I might just be running some broken current build, while the rest of you is on alpha and have no problems whatsoever | 08:58 |
| peterrus | I am using a dual videocard setup with the second card (a nvidia card) turned off through bumblebee/optimus | 09:05 |
| peterrus | this thread however states that my nvidia driver is broken http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2012370 | 09:05 |
| peterrus | might have something to do with it, but still, I should be using the intel card | 09:06 |
| peterrus | so maybe not | 09:06 |
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| peterrus | rolling back the nvidia driver | 09:22 |
| ior3k | does anyone know what control-alt-\ is bound to? | 09:24 |
| peterrus | that made no difference | 09:34 |
| peterrus | I also get a lot of these: http://i.imgur.com/QpdQQ.jpg | 09:34 |
| peterrus | and then the system wont boot further | 09:34 |
| peterrus | it seems to happen random at boots | 09:34 |
| peterrus | sometimes I can get past them | 09:34 |
| peterrus | sometimes I wont get them | 09:34 |
| peterrus | and sometimes they just dont occur | 09:34 |
| peterrus | according to these changelogs nothing changed in the intel drivers for quite some time | 10:05 |
| peterrus | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+changelog | 10:05 |
| BluesKaj | hiyas all | 11:22 |
| penguin42 | Hey BK | 11:25 |
| BluesKaj | hi penguin42 | 11:36 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: How goes? I did a nice fresh QQ install yesterday onto my nice fresh SSD :-) | 11:37 |
| BluesKaj | oh , nice ssd , is it fast | 11:39 |
| BluesKaj | ? | 11:39 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Yeh, apt is just lightening fast, boot is faster - although there is still a delay going on somewhere I'll track down - but time from login until the desktop is ready is very quick | 11:39 |
| BluesKaj | cool | 11:40 |
| penguin42 | hdparm -Tt is giving me 249MB/s - limited by my SATA-2 controller I assume | 11:40 |
| BluesKaj | at boot the hdd diskcheck runs everytime , I've ried various commands I found on google etc , but none work , any ideas? | 11:41 |
| penguin42 | that shouldn't happen - it should only be every so often | 11:41 |
| penguin42 | unless you're not shutting down properly? | 11:41 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: The normal thing to use is tune2fs -C and -i | 11:42 |
| BluesKaj | no , penguin42 it happened after I tested a text to speech app , that had a glitch and ran it from the TTY, ...tune2fs set at -1 but it makes no difference | 11:43 |
| penguin42 | -1 ? Should be 0 - tuen2fs -c 0 -i 0 | 11:43 |
| penguin42 | but if it happened after something bad, I'd boot from a cd/thumb and do an fsck and see if it gives any moans | 11:45 |
| BluesKaj | tune2fs -c 0 -i 0 , gives whole lot of suggestions showing various options , like the command wasn't finished | 11:48 |
| penguin42 | tune2fs -c 0 -i 0 /dev/sdwhatever | 11:48 |
| BluesKaj | Setting interval between checks to 0 seconds ...?? | 11:52 |
| penguin42 | yeh, I think that means don't bother | 11:52 |
| BluesKaj | not to check | 11:53 |
| BluesKaj | ok , rebooting , to make sure | 11:54 |
| penguin42 | ><breakfast | 11:59 |
| BluesKaj | nope , I even treid the command from the other drive , but no change ...the hdd is till being checked everytime I boot in | 12:10 |
| BluesKaj | tune2fs seems to have absolutely no effect | 12:11 |
| BluesKaj | unmounted the drives and did the tune2fs thing , not effective , as if the there's some other setting that's overwrting or over riding the tune2fs settings | 12:21 |
| Pici | BluesKaj: is there a /forcefsck file? | 12:22 |
| BluesKaj | Pici, let me check | 12:22 |
| BluesKaj | no /forcefsck file in / | 12:25 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: What happens if you unmount, and do a full fsck ? | 12:36 |
| BluesKaj | fsck.ext2: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda m Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program? | 12:45 |
| BluesKaj | this is after unmounting the sda drive , I'm on the main drive which is sdb , these are not partitions , I use 2 hdds on this pc , this main drive has 12.04 installed on it and the one deignated as sda (for some unknown reason) has the constant diskccheck , with 12.10 installed | 12:49 |
| peterrus | what would be the foremost reason that my /sys/class/drm/ folder only contains 'version' and not 'card0' like it did a few days ago when running a fully updated quantal? | 14:35 |
| peterrus | I cant seem to pinpoint the problem | 14:36 |
| penguin42 | what type of card? | 14:41 |
| peterrus | penguin42: intel HD4000 | 15:04 |
| penguin42 | peterrus: Can you pastebin the output of dmesg? and perhaps also your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? | 15:18 |
| peterrus | penguin42: yes, I am currently reinstalling though, but this will likely give the same results, when I am there i will | 15:19 |
| peterrus | should not take too long (ssd) | 15:19 |
| penguin42 | ok, no rush | 15:21 |
| peterrus | just in case I am doing very strange: | 15:22 |
| peterrus | I reinstall quantal from the alpha 2 cd | 15:22 |
| peterrus | and then I will look if that folder is populated | 15:22 |
| peterrus | i noticed that when its not, I can´t change my screens brightness | 15:23 |
| peterrus | and waking from suspend does not turn the screen on | 15:23 |
| BluesKaj | ok , fixed the constant fsck when booting up , the "pass" entry value in fstab was set to to 2 , instead of 1 or 0 . How that happened is beyond me. | 15:29 |
| peterrus | penguin42, ok, just after the installation everything works fine | 15:37 |
| penguin42 | peterrus: Oh well | 15:37 |
| peterrus | however I need to update for my brightness slider to work,so I will do that | 15:37 |
| peterrus | and then it probably goes wron | 15:37 |
| peterrus | lets try | 15:37 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: However, even with it set to 2 I don't see why it does that? | 15:37 |
| peterrus | penguin42, should I do a dist-upgrade or a upgrade? | 15:38 |
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| peterrus | pretty sure I should dist-upgrade | 15:40 |
| peterrus | but I can always do that later, so upgrade first, reboot, check if it works, and then dist-upgrade | 15:41 |
| penguin42 | peterrus: I tend to do dist-upgrades during the alpha processes | 15:44 |
| philinux | Have you guys seen the new nautilus | 15:44 |
| philinux | Updates came through today | 15:45 |
| IdleOne | you mean http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/07/new-look-nautilus-lands-in-ubuntu-12-10-not-qui | 15:45 |
| philinux | Yep | 15:46 |
| IdleOne | someone was asking if we were going to get the new nautilus yesterday in another channel. looks like we are | 15:48 |
| philinux | 3.5.4 turned up today it crashed a couple of times so far | 15:49 |
| philinux | or refused to start | 15:49 |
| peterrus | philinux: probably having the same issues | 15:53 |
| philinux | I love testing | 15:54 |
| peterrus | philinux: at the moment I dont XD as quantal is the only thing that properly works on my new laptop xD | 15:55 |
| penguin42 | peterrus: What's your hardware? | 15:55 |
| peterrus | Asus Zenbook UX32VD | 15:55 |
| philinux | peterrus: ah then that could be problematic | 15:55 |
| peterrus | ivy bridge i5, intel HD4000 + Geforce 610m | 15:55 |
| penguin42 | spangly | 15:56 |
| penguin42 | peterrus: How does PP fail? | 15:56 |
| peterrus | pp? | 15:56 |
| philinux | 12.04 | 15:56 |
| peterrus | no way to set the brightness, and I cant seem to get DRM working either | 15:57 |
| * penguin42 thinks I saw one of those in a shop yesterday - nice big trackpad | 15:57 | |
| peterrus | its all really random, I have tested so much configurations now that I kinda forgot | 15:57 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, here's the explanation I found, http://everyjoe.com/technology/explanation-the-fstab-file/ | 15:57 |
| peterrus | penguin42: yes, I absolutely love the hardware, coming from a macbook | 15:57 |
| penguin42 | peterrus: My best guess with that hardware is the way it's got the mixed intel/nvidia hybrid graphics - that's generally hard to get working properly; normally the problem is something like it deciding to use the other graphics card some of the time, so the driver for the other doesn't start - but I've not had a chance to play with that type of hybrid graphics | 15:58 |
| peterrus | penguin42: I use bumblebee to turn of the nvidia card | 15:58 |
| peterrus | this works | 15:58 |
| penguin42 | ok | 15:58 |
| peterrus | there is currently no way to actually use it, but I dont really care at the moment | 15:59 |
| penguin42 | sometimes the bioses have ways of disabling them as wel | 15:59 |
| peterrus | as long as I get vga + hdmi working | 15:59 |
| peterrus | this one doesn´t :( | 15:59 |
| penguin42 | hmph, not nice of it | 15:59 |
| peterrus | its a EFI actually XD | 15:59 |
| peterrus | not a bios | 15:59 |
| penguin42 | yeh | 15:59 |
| peterrus | so well, after the upgrade everything still works, however, no unity, I can start it, but no taskbar nor launcher appears, when I start unity 2D everything seems fine though | 16:00 |
| peterrus | so lets go for the dist-upgrade | 16:00 |
| penguin42 | that sounds like the intel graphics isn't too happy | 16:00 |
| penguin42 | but I'm on KDE not unity on my QQ setup, so I don't know the current state | 16:00 |
| penguin42 | peterrus: You said you needed to use bumblebee to disable the nvidia; that's not in the repos - so you had to get that from somewhere? | 16:01 |
| peterrus | least of my trouble now ;) | 16:01 |
| peterrus | penguin42: correct, from their ppa, and it is only released for precise so I had to do some sources.list hackery, but It is not installed at the moment, | 16:01 |
| peterrus | trying to pinpoint the problem, so that will be one of the last steps I take | 16:02 |
| peterrus | I also got some kernel panics along the way, hope I can track the source of them too | 16:02 |
| penguin42 | peterrus: ok, try and keep notes - if something like that is a required to get QQ to work on your hardware it would be good to flag a bug early | 16:02 |
| peterrus | penguin42: yes, I have no idea what to report and what not, so if you see something coming along, please tell me | 16:03 |
| peterrus | there is also a nasty dkms ´patch´ I need to install for the asus-wmi module to get some functionkeys working on the keyboard (keyboardbacklight, trackpad disable, and sound volume) | 16:04 |
| peterrus | so something I will install as last step as well, to not taint my installation with non QQ stuff | 16:04 |
| penguin42 | peterrus: If anything doesn't work out of the box report it | 16:04 |
| peterrus | ok | 16:04 |
| peterrus | making notes | 16:05 |
| penguin42 | peterrus: Add a comment to say how you worked around it | 16:05 |
| peterrus | will do | 16:05 |
| peterrus | in the bumblebee case there probably already is bug | 16:05 |
| peterrus | ah, dist-upgrade installs a new kernel | 16:07 |
| penguin42 | peterrus: OK, worth checking, and hey if you get it all sorted out you might want to put a blog/comemnt on a help page/something saying everything you needed to do to get that model to work | 16:10 |
| penguin42 | for the next guy along | 16:10 |
| peterrus | penguin42: yes i am already logging al my findings in a thread, and when I find a reproducable way I will document it | 16:10 |
| penguin42 | cool | 16:10 |
| peterrus | thread @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2005999 | 16:11 |
| penguin42 | peterrus: Your kernel oopses; are they going to log files that you can report, or they just landing on the screen ? | 16:11 |
| peterrus | penguin42: just on the screen, I can take pictures though | 16:11 |
| peterrus | well the system still booted, that is new | 16:11 |
| penguin42 | yeh, I'd be happy to look at pictures of them and see if I can think of anything | 16:11 |
| peterrus | and /sys/class/drm is still populated | 16:12 |
| peterrus | going to do a full root backup first | 16:12 |
| peterrus | unity also works again | 16:13 |
| peterrus | so that is good | 16:13 |
| penguin42 | peterrus: Cool - obviously QQ is in alpha and anything may or may not break at any moment; so hold on to your hat :-) | 16:13 |
| peterrus | so now its time for the non QQ stuff | 16:14 |
| peterrus | I will start with nvidia-current + bumblebee | 16:14 |
| peterrus | alright, nvidia current broke nothing | 16:52 |
| peterrus | so all ubuntu QQ stuff works | 16:52 |
| peterrus | another backup and then try bumblebee | 16:52 |
| peterrus | wow | 17:38 |
| peterrus | it survived bumblebee | 17:38 |
| peterrus | this is getting good | 17:38 |
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| penguin42 | is anyone else having problems with hierarchical list widgets in gtk apps? The ones which you're supposed to click on a > to open the subtree - there being very difficult to open for me | 20:56 |
| penguin42 | oh, it's oxygen-gtk's mess | 20:57 |
| penguin42 | right, that's bug 1026328 | 21:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1026328 in gtk2-engines-oxygen (Ubuntu) "difficult to open tree widgets" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1026328 | 21:05 |
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| atari2600a | maybe this channel'd be more helpful | 23:13 |
| atari2600a | anyone know when alien arena 7.60 is hitting ubuntu repos | 23:13 |
| atari2600a | also | 23:13 |
| atari2600a | um | 23:13 |
| atari2600a | good luck with that wayland shipping in 12.10 | 23:13 |
| atari2600a | I mean, it's not gonna happen but good luck :P | 23:14 |
| penguin42 | atari2600a: Is 7.60 in debian yet? | 23:14 |
| atari2600a | not sure | 23:14 |
| atari2600a | but it was released about 12 days ago | 23:14 |
| penguin42 | ok, so I think it's a 1st not until it's in debian | 23:15 |
| atari2600a | no the one on the debian servers is even older | 23:15 |
| penguin42 | and it looks like it's missed the DebianImportFreeze (that was July 5th) | 23:15 |
| penguin42 | atari2600a: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule | 23:16 |
| atari2600a | it's not a debian project... | 23:16 |
| atari2600a | I don't know whether you're over or under thinking this | 23:16 |
| trism | it can still be synced manually if debian updates soon | 23:16 |
| penguin42 | atari2600a: but most packages in Ubuntu come through debian (there are some exceptions - I don't know about alien-arena specifically) | 23:17 |
| penguin42 | looks to me like the ubuntu one is exactly the same as the debian one, so I expect it is going that route | 23:18 |
| atari2600a | debian hasn't updated the package in months/years though it looks like | 23:18 |
| atari2600a | it's not debian's thing to update third-party packages | 23:18 |
| penguin42 | debian sid is on 7.53 | 23:18 |
| atari2600a | that's why debian users are the ones grooming their neckbeards: it's all about adding other repos | 23:19 |
| penguin42 | atari2600a: So you can submit a bug to ask for an update to one or both of the ubuntu bug or debian bug systems | 23:19 |
| penguin42 | ....and anyway, this beard is just fine | 23:20 |
| atari2600a | that reminds me my goatee is starting to look disney villian-y | 23:20 |
| atari2600a | gotta go | 23:20 |
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