=== Freeaqingme is now known as Guest21814 === Logan__ is now known as Logan_ [08:45] how would I start finding out why my DRM is broken? [08:49] might ask the wrong question here though [08:49] but my /sys/class/drm folder is not populated (only with 'version') [08:50] so I can not change brightness or use vga/hdmi [08:50] i use a intel HD4000 [08:50] which should use the i915 module if I recall correctly [08:50] this all used to work, until a few days ago [08:50] I am not sure what caused it though [08:58] furthermore would there be a difference in installing alpha-2 and then updating [08:58] or just directly download QQ current [08:58] install that and update [08:58] because I might just be running some broken current build, while the rest of you is on alpha and have no problems whatsoever [09:05] I am using a dual videocard setup with the second card (a nvidia card) turned off through bumblebee/optimus [09:05] this thread however states that my nvidia driver is broken http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2012370 [09:06] might have something to do with it, but still, I should be using the intel card [09:06] so maybe not === Guest21814 is now known as Freeaqingme [09:22] rolling back the nvidia driver [09:24] does anyone know what control-alt-\ is bound to? [09:34] that made no difference [09:34] I also get a lot of these: http://i.imgur.com/QpdQQ.jpg [09:34] and then the system wont boot further [09:34] it seems to happen random at boots [09:34] sometimes I can get past them [09:34] sometimes I wont get them [09:34] and sometimes they just dont occur [10:05] according to these changelogs nothing changed in the intel drivers for quite some time [10:05] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+changelog [11:22] hiyas all [11:25] Hey BK [11:36] hi penguin42 [11:37] BluesKaj: How goes? I did a nice fresh QQ install yesterday onto my nice fresh SSD :-) [11:39] oh , nice ssd , is it fast [11:39] ? [11:39] BluesKaj: Yeh, apt is just lightening fast, boot is faster - although there is still a delay going on somewhere I'll track down - but time from login until the desktop is ready is very quick [11:40] cool [11:40] hdparm -Tt is giving me 249MB/s - limited by my SATA-2 controller I assume [11:41] at boot the hdd diskcheck runs everytime , I've ried various commands I found on google etc , but none work , any ideas? [11:41] that shouldn't happen - it should only be every so often [11:41] unless you're not shutting down properly? [11:42] BluesKaj: The normal thing to use is tune2fs -C and -i [11:43] no , penguin42 it happened after I tested a text to speech app , that had a glitch and ran it from the TTY, ...tune2fs set at -1 but it makes no difference [11:43] -1 ? Should be 0 - tuen2fs -c 0 -i 0 [11:45] but if it happened after something bad, I'd boot from a cd/thumb and do an fsck and see if it gives any moans [11:48] tune2fs -c 0 -i 0 , gives whole lot of suggestions showing various options , like the command wasn't finished [11:48] tune2fs -c 0 -i 0 /dev/sdwhatever [11:52] Setting interval between checks to 0 seconds ...?? [11:52] yeh, I think that means don't bother [11:53] not to check [11:54] ok , rebooting , to make sure [11:59] > nope , I even treid the command from the other drive , but no change ...the hdd is till being checked everytime I boot in [12:11] tune2fs seems to have absolutely no effect [12:21] unmounted the drives and did the tune2fs thing , not effective , as if the there's some other setting that's overwrting or over riding the tune2fs settings [12:22] BluesKaj: is there a /forcefsck file? [12:22] Pici, let me check [12:25] no /forcefsck file in / [12:36] BluesKaj: What happens if you unmount, and do a full fsck ? [12:45] fsck.ext2: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda m Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program? [12:49] this is after unmounting the sda drive , I'm on the main drive which is sdb , these are not partitions , I use 2 hdds on this pc , this main drive has 12.04 installed on it and the one deignated as sda (for some unknown reason) has the constant diskccheck , with 12.10 installed [14:35] what would be the foremost reason that my /sys/class/drm/ folder only contains 'version' and not 'card0' like it did a few days ago when running a fully updated quantal? [14:36] I cant seem to pinpoint the problem [14:41] what type of card? [15:04] penguin42: intel HD4000 [15:18] peterrus: Can you pastebin the output of dmesg? and perhaps also your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? [15:19] penguin42: yes, I am currently reinstalling though, but this will likely give the same results, when I am there i will [15:19] should not take too long (ssd) [15:21] ok, no rush [15:22] just in case I am doing very strange: [15:22] I reinstall quantal from the alpha 2 cd [15:22] and then I will look if that folder is populated [15:23] i noticed that when its not, I can´t change my screens brightness [15:23] and waking from suspend does not turn the screen on [15:29] ok , fixed the constant fsck when booting up , the "pass" entry value in fstab was set to to 2 , instead of 1 or 0 . How that happened is beyond me. [15:37] penguin42, ok, just after the installation everything works fine [15:37] peterrus: Oh well [15:37] however I need to update for my brightness slider to work,so I will do that [15:37] and then it probably goes wron [15:37] lets try [15:37] BluesKaj: However, even with it set to 2 I don't see why it does that? [15:38] penguin42, should I do a dist-upgrade or a upgrade? === stkrzysiak_ is now known as stkrzysiak [15:40] pretty sure I should dist-upgrade [15:41] but I can always do that later, so upgrade first, reboot, check if it works, and then dist-upgrade [15:44] peterrus: I tend to do dist-upgrades during the alpha processes [15:44] Have you guys seen the new nautilus [15:45] Updates came through today [15:45] you mean http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/07/new-look-nautilus-lands-in-ubuntu-12-10-not-qui [15:46] Yep [15:48] someone was asking if we were going to get the new nautilus yesterday in another channel. looks like we are [15:49] 3.5.4 turned up today it crashed a couple of times so far [15:49] or refused to start [15:53] philinux: probably having the same issues [15:54] I love testing [15:55] philinux: at the moment I dont XD as quantal is the only thing that properly works on my new laptop xD [15:55] peterrus: What's your hardware? [15:55] Asus Zenbook UX32VD [15:55] peterrus: ah then that could be problematic [15:55] ivy bridge i5, intel HD4000 + Geforce 610m [15:56] spangly [15:56] peterrus: How does PP fail? [15:56] pp? [15:56] 12.04 [15:57] no way to set the brightness, and I cant seem to get DRM working either [15:57] * penguin42 thinks I saw one of those in a shop yesterday - nice big trackpad [15:57] its all really random, I have tested so much configurations now that I kinda forgot [15:57] penguin42, here's the explanation I found, http://everyjoe.com/technology/explanation-the-fstab-file/ [15:57] penguin42: yes, I absolutely love the hardware, coming from a macbook [15:58] peterrus: My best guess with that hardware is the way it's got the mixed intel/nvidia hybrid graphics - that's generally hard to get working properly; normally the problem is something like it deciding to use the other graphics card some of the time, so the driver for the other doesn't start - but I've not had a chance to play with that type of hybrid graphics [15:58] penguin42: I use bumblebee to turn of the nvidia card [15:58] this works [15:58] ok [15:59] there is currently no way to actually use it, but I dont really care at the moment [15:59] sometimes the bioses have ways of disabling them as wel [15:59] as long as I get vga + hdmi working [15:59] this one doesn´t :( [15:59] hmph, not nice of it [15:59] its a EFI actually XD [15:59] not a bios [15:59] yeh [16:00] so well, after the upgrade everything still works, however, no unity, I can start it, but no taskbar nor launcher appears, when I start unity 2D everything seems fine though [16:00] so lets go for the dist-upgrade [16:00] that sounds like the intel graphics isn't too happy [16:00] but I'm on KDE not unity on my QQ setup, so I don't know the current state [16:01] peterrus: You said you needed to use bumblebee to disable the nvidia; that's not in the repos - so you had to get that from somewhere? [16:01] least of my trouble now ;) [16:01] penguin42: correct, from their ppa, and it is only released for precise so I had to do some sources.list hackery, but It is not installed at the moment, [16:02] trying to pinpoint the problem, so that will be one of the last steps I take [16:02] I also got some kernel panics along the way, hope I can track the source of them too [16:02] peterrus: ok, try and keep notes - if something like that is a required to get QQ to work on your hardware it would be good to flag a bug early [16:03] penguin42: yes, I have no idea what to report and what not, so if you see something coming along, please tell me [16:04] there is also a nasty dkms ´patch´ I need to install for the asus-wmi module to get some functionkeys working on the keyboard (keyboardbacklight, trackpad disable, and sound volume) [16:04] so something I will install as last step as well, to not taint my installation with non QQ stuff [16:04] peterrus: If anything doesn't work out of the box report it [16:04] ok [16:05] making notes [16:05] peterrus: Add a comment to say how you worked around it [16:05] will do [16:05] in the bumblebee case there probably already is bug [16:07] ah, dist-upgrade installs a new kernel [16:10] peterrus: OK, worth checking, and hey if you get it all sorted out you might want to put a blog/comemnt on a help page/something saying everything you needed to do to get that model to work [16:10] for the next guy along [16:10] penguin42: yes i am already logging al my findings in a thread, and when I find a reproducable way I will document it [16:10] cool [16:11] thread @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2005999 [16:11] peterrus: Your kernel oopses; are they going to log files that you can report, or they just landing on the screen ? [16:11] penguin42: just on the screen, I can take pictures though [16:11] well the system still booted, that is new [16:11] yeh, I'd be happy to look at pictures of them and see if I can think of anything [16:12] and /sys/class/drm is still populated [16:12] going to do a full root backup first [16:13] unity also works again [16:13] so that is good [16:13] peterrus: Cool - obviously QQ is in alpha and anything may or may not break at any moment; so hold on to your hat :-) [16:14] so now its time for the non QQ stuff [16:14] I will start with nvidia-current + bumblebee [16:52] alright, nvidia current broke nothing [16:52] so all ubuntu QQ stuff works [16:52] another backup and then try bumblebee [17:38] wow [17:38] it survived bumblebee [17:38] this is getting good === Daviey_ is now known as Daviey === Bluefoxicy_ is now known as Bluefoxicy === len is now known as Guest56687 === LordOfTime is now known as TheLordOfTime [20:56] is anyone else having problems with hierarchical list widgets in gtk apps? The ones which you're supposed to click on a > to open the subtree - there being very difficult to open for me [20:57] oh, it's oxygen-gtk's mess [21:05] right, that's bug 1026328 [21:05] Launchpad bug 1026328 in gtk2-engines-oxygen (Ubuntu) "difficult to open tree widgets" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1026328 === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant [23:13] maybe this channel'd be more helpful [23:13] anyone know when alien arena 7.60 is hitting ubuntu repos [23:13] also [23:13] um [23:13] good luck with that wayland shipping in 12.10 [23:14] I mean, it's not gonna happen but good luck :P [23:14] atari2600a: Is 7.60 in debian yet? [23:14] not sure [23:14] but it was released about 12 days ago [23:15] ok, so I think it's a 1st not until it's in debian [23:15] no the one on the debian servers is even older [23:15] and it looks like it's missed the DebianImportFreeze (that was July 5th) [23:16] atari2600a: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule [23:16] it's not a debian project... [23:16] I don't know whether you're over or under thinking this [23:16] it can still be synced manually if debian updates soon [23:17] atari2600a: but most packages in Ubuntu come through debian (there are some exceptions - I don't know about alien-arena specifically) [23:18] looks to me like the ubuntu one is exactly the same as the debian one, so I expect it is going that route [23:18] debian hasn't updated the package in months/years though it looks like [23:18] it's not debian's thing to update third-party packages [23:18] debian sid is on 7.53 [23:19] that's why debian users are the ones grooming their neckbeards: it's all about adding other repos [23:19] atari2600a: So you can submit a bug to ask for an update to one or both of the ubuntu bug or debian bug systems [23:20] ....and anyway, this beard is just fine [23:20] that reminds me my goatee is starting to look disney villian-y [23:20] gotta go