[02:04] <hallyn> stgraber: bleh, a problem with set_config_item.  I was hoping to be able to 100% use the existing callback code.
[02:05] <hallyn> stgraber: but if you want to be able to do set_config_item("lxc.network.0.ipv4", "1.2.3.4") when 2 nics are defined, that requires changes
[02:05] <hallyn> bc right now it's all based on the order of items in the config file
[02:05] <hallyn> i guess i must change that.  with the api it's too hacky otherwise
[02:05] <hallyn> :(
[02:09] <hallyn> added to todo list.  it would be a crime not to
[02:42] <stgraber> hallyn: heh, sorry ;) note for the next open source project => properly design config file (and don't make it depend on ordering ;))
[04:39] <addisonj> I am looking for any docs/guides on getting juju working with rackspace cloud via openstack?
[04:39] <addisonj> anyone have ideas on that?
[04:40] <addisonj> hey, people who are using node in production, whats your preferred way of doing server config and management?
[04:40] <addisonj> oops, wrong channel
[06:38]  * RoyK += 0xc0ffee
[06:56] <RoyK> hm... where can I set the package version in making a deb package?
[07:03] <RoyK> is the UEC still not possible in a mesh configuration? I mean - no single point of failure thing in front (although I know it's possible to build that fault tolerant with DRBD or similar, I just don't want all that hassle)
[07:52] <alex88> hi guys, how can i disable ufw for an interface? as i'm trying to use multicast on private lan, and i want to disable firewall for eth1
[07:53] <RoyK> alex88: afaict, ufw allow in on eth1
[07:53] <RoyK> alex88: man ufw ;)
[07:54] <alex88> i've tried "ufw allow in on eth1 from any to any"
[07:54] <alex88> and it added the rule
[07:55] <alex88> but it seems they stil don't see each other http://pastebin.com/7Qbh6nDs i'm trying to use corosync + pacemaker
[07:56] <alex88> nm, it seems the same with firewall disabled
[07:59] <Adri2000> does #ubuntu-cloud actually exist? (looks like I can't join because I'm not invited)
[08:01] <RoyK> alex88: ufw disable ;)
[08:02] <alex88> RoyK: yup, just tried, still not working, it was working fine before restart and now..boom
[08:02] <RoyK> alex88: but - are you sure someone's actually listening to that multicast address?
[08:02] <RoyK> alex88: also, make sure there's no router between your machine and whoever's going to receive that traffic
[08:03] <alex88> RoyK: it worked fine until last restart, machines are using crossover cable, also, both corosync are running on same multicast address and port
[08:03] <alex88> just that now, each machine doesn't see the other
[08:05] <alex88> let me try to reboot again with ufw disabled
[08:07] <alex88> mhh.. same thing
[08:07] <alex88> RoyK: how can i check if something is listening on multicast?
[08:09] <RoyK> lsof -p <pid> might help
[08:09] <RoyK> that'd be the pid you hope is listening
[08:10] <alex88> "corosync 6225 root    9u  IPv4              26096      0t0       UDP 226.94.1.1:5405"
[08:10] <alex88> seems so
[08:16] <RoyK> then debug that app ;)
[08:16] <RoyK> or sniff the traffic on that host to see if you can see incoming multicast traffic
[08:53] <Pupeno_W> How do I do sudo -u postgres without getting "could not change directory to "/root"", do I have to cd into some other directory or is there a better way?
[08:53] <Pupeno_W> Maybe something similar to su -
[08:53] <Pupeno_W> ?
[08:53] <RoyK> Pupeno_W: su - postgres
[08:53] <Pupeno_W> Can't sudo do it?
[08:54] <RoyK> sudo si roy@smilla:~$ sudo su - postgres
[08:54] <RoyK> postgres@smilla:~$
[08:55] <RoyK> never mind the initial 'sudo si '
[08:55] <Pupeno_W> That's still su doing it. :)
[08:55] <RoyK> yep, with sudo helping
[08:55] <RoyK> sudo -iu postgres
[08:56] <RoyK> same thing
[08:56] <RoyK> just a tiny difference in how the new shell is started
[08:57] <Pupeno_W> RoyK: I'm not trying to have an interactive shell, just run a command.
[08:59] <peterrus> pkexec?
[09:00] <RoyK> Pupeno_W: no idea - according to the docs, -EH should help, but AFAICT it doesn't
[09:00] <Pupeno_W> Ok… thanks :)
[09:00]  * RoyK tries to fix sanlock
[09:01] <philballew> do we use SysV or Upstart in precise?
[09:04] <RoyK> bpth, really, but upstart is preferred
[09:04] <RoyK> sysv for things that don't do upstart
[09:05] <RoyK> s/bpth/both/
[09:06] <philballew> alright. seems good RoyK . Thank you for making Ubuntu awesome.
[09:14] <KingKatari> i need to know how to use IPTables to allow any and all traffic to/from a specific IP allowed while any other rules in the IPTables are still in effect
[09:20] <RoyK> !ufw
[09:20] <RoyK> KingKatari: normally, ufw is the preferred way of doing things unless you know iptables by heart and need more capabilities than ufw can offer
[09:21] <RoyK> KingKatari: ufw allow from x.x.x.x will do what you want
[09:21] <KingKatari> i need it via iptables
[09:21] <RoyK> KingKatari: or iptables -I INPUT -s x.x.x.x -j ACCEPT will allow all traffic from that IP
[09:21] <KingKatari> thanks
[09:22] <RoyK> something tells me that if you didn't know that, you shouldn't be using iptables in the first place :þ
[09:22] <KingKatari> so iptables -I INPUT -s 97.96.233.45 -j ACCEPT will allow any traffic in from that IP and iptables -I OUTPUT -s 97.96.233.45 -j ACCEPT will allow all traffic out to that IP?
[09:23] <RoyK> normally, the output chain won't block anything
[09:24] <RoyK> but if it does, you need to 'iptables -I OUTPUT -d 97.96.233.45 -j ACCEPT'
[09:24] <RoyK> -d, not -s
[09:24] <KingKatari> what it is, is that a friend locked my vps down for me more so then what the Host provider does and i cant get ahold of him to mod it to allow some connections from the vps to a home server and vice versa
[09:27] <KingKatari> lol i have a perl script on my vps that will query my windows system and then send the info to my linux system ( both windows and linux systems are on my home network ) but due to a conflict on my linux box on home network i cant run this perl script
[09:36] <BuenGenio> hi
[09:37] <BuenGenio> how do I get fts_lucene for dovecot? it's not in any of the repos, afaik
[10:23] <Xeus> I'm trying to install ubuntu server and when I select the menu option to install it reboots the computer, any ideas?
[11:09] <antihero> If I have PHP sending output to syslog with ubuntu, how do I make it go to it's own file?
[11:12] <antihero> I have no idea what the default version of syslog installed with ubuntu is - rsyslog? syslogng?
[11:13]  * KingKatari takes a sledge hammer to his bamt rig and begins to beat it to dust
[11:20] <antihero> any ideas?
[11:45] <RoyK> error: internal error cannot load AppArmor profile
[12:04] <maplesoft>  iam unable to see room list or creat any room for xmpp based openfire server used kopete (didnt see any options for rooms) and fastpath webased client (didnt showed a list either . any help?
[13:09] <raubvogel> Ok, resolvconf is driving me nuts
[13:09] <raubvogel> so I removed it
[13:09] <raubvogel> set both of my interfaces to static
[13:10] <raubvogel> added the dns-nameservers stuff to both in /etc/network/interfaces
[13:10] <raubvogel> and the dns-search thingie
[13:10] <raubvogel> setup resolv.conf to match them
[13:10] <raubvogel> i.e. they are all supposed to point to this machine since I have bind init
[13:11] <raubvogel> I reboot
[13:11] <raubvogel> my resolv.conf is changed
[13:11] <raubvogel> wtf?
[13:11] <raubvogel> This is 12.04 BTW
[13:19] <azei> hello there
[13:19] <azei> anyone here ?
[13:20] <azei> i would like to run an application when you open a terminal
[13:20] <azei> how to do ?
[13:25] <Exopaladin> azei: Use a .bashrc file in your home directory maybe?
[13:26] <azei> well do you heard about
[13:26] <azei> cmartrix ?
[13:26] <Pici> heh
[13:28] <azei> hello Pici
[13:28] <azei> do you know about that ?
[13:29] <azei> i simply trying to launch this application at terminal startup
[13:29] <azei> how ot o do ?
[13:29] <azei> how to do ?
[13:30] <Pici> azei: Ubuntu server doesn't have a GUI, so there really isn't any "opening a new terminal".  If you're running GNOME, or whatever, take a look at the manpage for gnome-terminal for the right arguments for doing whatever you want to do.
[13:30] <azei> stop
[13:30] <azei> you don't listening
[13:31] <Pici> azei: then clarify what you're trying to do.
[13:31] <azei> first tell me do you know that applicatioN ?
[13:32] <Pici> azei: Yes, I've played with it before.
[13:33] <azei> pefect we can exchange better
[13:33] <stgraber> zul, bencer: uploaded openldap with smbk5pwd
[13:33] <azei> when you try to ssh to your server
[13:33] <zul> stgraber: cool
[13:33] <azei> i would like that that application run itself
[13:33] <rbasak> Daviey, smoser: for bug 1024408, my recollection is that add-apt-repository has never been in any relevant seed. I've always had to install it manually, and just verified this in Oneiric (I don't have a Precise non-VM image handy). But cloud-init depends on python-software properties (and more recently software-properties-common, bug 1021418), so we don't usually find add-apt-repository missing on cloud instances. Would adding software-properties-
[13:33] <rbasak> common to an appropriate server seed be the best solution here?
[13:34] <rbasak> I'd certainly like to see add-apt-repository available on Server by default (VM or not)
[13:34] <azei> and by pressing a key i would like that it give hand to prompt
[13:34] <azei> how to do ?
[13:34] <Pici> azei: adding it to the end of your .bashrc should be sufficient.
[13:35] <azei> adding what to where ?
[13:35] <bencer> stgraber: zul, cool thanks!!
[13:35] <smoser> rbasak, well it seems that javiewr is implying there is a dependency bug
[13:36] <smoser> (that i was not aware of)
[13:36] <rbasak> smoser: "Quantal server installations do not include software-properties-common by default."
[13:36] <rbasak> smoser: this has never been the case. Precise server installations don't include that either, AFAIK, and by design. Unless you install cloud-init
[13:36] <azei> pefect Pici working
[13:36] <smoser> it seems to me that adding it to server seed would be reasonable.
[13:36] <Pici> azei: great
[13:37] <smoser> rbasak, yes, but commen t2 in that bug suggests a dependencies problem
[13:37] <smoser> (in addition to it not being seeded)
[13:37] <azei> but it don't give the hand to cli
[13:37] <azei> when you press something
[13:38] <jamespage> rbasak, just uploaded you libnss-ldap fix to quantal - made one small tweak which was to use dh_link in the rules file rather than doing it using mkdir && ln -s
[13:39] <rbasak> I think he might have it backwards. Comment #2 sounds like he expects add-apt-repository to appear if he installs python3-software-properties. This is now backwards. From >=quantal, you're supposed to install software-properties-common for add-apt-repository. bug 1021418
[13:39] <azei> get my questioN ?
[13:39] <rbasak> jamespage: I didn't use dh_link because the links file can't do multiarch. Or can it?
[13:39] <jamespage> rbasak, you can use it directly in debian/rules
[13:40] <rbasak> jamespage: ah, I didn't know that. Thanks!
[13:40] <jamespage> rbasak, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1098313/
[13:40] <rbasak> jamespage: got it. That makes sense. Thanks for the upload!
[13:40] <jamespage> rbasak, I'm not sure whether we need to SRU that tho - its broken but are we actually seeing any bugs because of it?
[13:41] <rbasak> jamespage: I fear that ldap nss is completely broken on precise, but that nobody has noticed
[13:42] <rbasak> jamespage: actually no, scrap that
[13:42] <jamespage> rbasak, well until somebody does and can come up with a test case....
[13:42] <jamespage> lol
[13:42] <rbasak> nss looks for /lib/.../libnsswitch_ldap.so.2 or something, which does exist (on amd64). So I think I agree - no SRU unless somebody complains with an impact statement
[13:43] <rbasak> jamespage: however, armhf is completely broken right now and on my todo list
[13:43] <jamespage> rbasak, ack
[13:43] <jamespage> sounds good to me
[13:43] <rbasak> Upstream detect the presence of glibc in an "interesting" way in autoconf, and an armhf system isn't glibc according to that :)
[13:43] <rbasak> So it puts all the libraries in the wrong places
[13:45] <henkjan> grmbl, server upgrade from lucid to precise
[13:45] <henkjan> but grub doesnt fit in my bootsector :(
[13:45] <henkjan> starting on sector 63
[13:47] <patdk-wk> install it on your partition instead? and let the normal bootsector chainload it?
[13:48] <henkjan> wil that work on an mdadm + lvm partition?
[14:05] <zul> smoser: ping
[14:05] <smoser> zul, here.
[14:06] <zul> smoser: where can i get the cirios images again?
[14:11] <smoser> zul, launchpad.net/cirros oficially
[14:12] <smoser> but if  you are playing, i'd appreciate testing on http://cirros.brickies.net/download/0.3.1~pre1/
[14:12] <smoser> zul, ^
[14:13] <zul> cool beans
[14:20] <maplesoft> which is the most feature full xmpp server ? any suggestions?  which one is this jabber.org using? how can i ban kick or gline (similer to irc) in jabber? using openfire at the moment? are there any stardard commands? which xmppds have largets user communities
[14:21] <zul> smoser: does the cirios lxc image work?
[14:23] <smoser> zul, i believe so
[14:38] <Daviey> rbasak: agreed, that has always been the case
[14:38] <Daviey> also.. vim being missing, wtf :)
[14:38] <rbasak> Daviey: I found bug 439566
[14:40] <Daviey> rbasak: perhaps liase with cyphermox?
[14:46] <rbasak> Daviey: don't we just need to add software-properties-common to a seed now?
[14:46] <rbasak> Daviey: which seed? ubuntu-standard?
[14:47] <Daviey> rbasak: well, standard hits desktop aswell... is this just required for server?
[14:48] <rbasak> Daviey: desktop ends up with it already I think. I think it should be in both though, since lots of Ubuntu-related instructions use add-apt-repository (eg. instructions on a PPA page)
[14:49] <Daviey> rbasak: Okay, do you want to get a MP ready?  we'll JFDI and see if there is comment.
[14:49] <rbasak> Daviey: OK, will do
[14:51] <Daviey> supr
[15:18] <jamespage> smoser, zul: how do you feel about an upgrade to python-boto?  I have one in the sponsorship queue....
[15:20] <raubvogel> Does anyone have an example of an iptable egress rule (allow to, say, connect to www.server.com:80 from a LAN) for a firewall?
[15:20] <smoser> jamespage, well.. i do not have strong feelings against.
[15:20] <smoser> other than that i finally got to using the debian package in the last upload
[15:21] <smoser> (after like 2 years of carrying our own)
[15:21] <zul> jamespage: depends on the changelog
[15:21] <smoser> zul, the changelog is massive of course
[15:21] <zul> sure i wouldnt mind sticking it in the openstack-ci and see what breaks first
[15:23] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1098457/
[15:24] <smoser> we are fairly light on boto usage. really
[15:24] <Mkaysi> Hi, is it possible to install Ubuntu Server from USB-stick? I am just receiving error about reading from CD. What I want is to install Ubuntu Server and then install MATE on it, without getting Unity nor KDE nor XFCE nor LXDE.
[15:25] <jamespage> smoser, yeah - I noticed
[15:25] <zul> smoser: still i would rather have someone install it and the nova testsuite with it on though
[15:25] <zul> safer than sorry
[15:25] <jamespage> (debian package finally in use)
[15:26] <jamespage> zul: does the nova build do that - I can check it if you like?
[15:26] <zul> jamespage: sure
[15:27] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1098459/
[15:27] <Mkaysi> Nevermind, Google is full of similar issues.
[15:28] <smoser> i generally trust python-boto though to be backwards compatible.
[15:31] <jamespage> smoser, ack - I pushed back on the additional changes proposed to the packaging anyway - I'll look again later.
[15:32] <smoser> jamespage, mp link?
[15:33] <jamespage> smoser, https://code.launchpad.net/~logan/ubuntu/quantal/python-boto/new-upstream/+merge/115465
[15:34] <smoser> hm..
[15:42] <MoleMan> I understand that you guys are doing and discussing specific dev stuff, but would it really be that hard to answer a few 30 second questions? (not me, just people I can see further up that have been completely ignored with questions that even I could have answered...)
[15:47] <ScottK> Then why didn't you answer them?
[15:48] <ogra_> ++
[15:49] <jamespage> smoser, hm..?
[16:51] <smoser> jamespage, my hmm... was just wondering why the suggested watch file move to pypy
[17:09] <ssvss> N
[17:39] <ssvss>  /statusbar window add -after lag -priority 10 act
[17:40] <RoyK>  /me smiles
[17:46] <ssvss>  sorry, new to irssi, and trying out some settings :)
[17:47] <RoyK> np :)
[17:59] <SpamapS> ssvss: 20 pushups, now!
[18:26] <MoleMan> " 16:47:19 - Wed 18.07.2012 <ScottK> Then why didn't you answer them?" because I wasn't here, I was idle... I was commenting to people who were active and talking at the time...
[18:39] <dbsr> good afernoon/eve people, can i ask support questions about ufw/iptables here?
[18:40] <dbsr> imma ask my questions, and hope this is the right channel, because this is driving me crazy
[18:40] <r0tha_> dbsr: lol
[18:40] <r0tha_> go for it
[18:41] <RoyK> !ask
[18:44] <dbsr> first, im new to linux, so, probably how i did it was not the most efficient way, i wanted to be able to open the ssh port on my server remotely through apache, made a c wrapper that gets called by www-data but is executed as root, the c wrapper calls a bash script that reads the ip from a text file the php page makes after i have succesfully logged in (prob could have used the c wrapper for it but this was easier :p)
[18:44] <dbsr> anyhows, everything works
[18:45] <dbsr> i use ufw by the way, not iptables itself
[18:45] <dbsr> the rule gets added
[18:45] <dbsr> but somehow
[18:45] <dbsr> it doesnt work
[18:45] <RoyK> what exactly are you trying to do?
[18:45] <RoyK> open ssh port to apache seems rather - well - strange
[18:46] <dbsr> the weird thing is, that when i add the rule with gufw, it does work, i checked user.rules, and it looks exactly the same, checked iptables-save no difference between the ufw added rule and the rule added through gufw
[18:46] <dbsr> i dont open it for apache
[18:46] <RoyK> explain the application
[18:46] <dbsr> i use apache to open it 8)
[18:46] <RoyK> what you are trying to do
[18:47] <RoyK> trying to login via ssh on port 80?
[18:47] <RoyK> or 443?
[18:47] <RoyK> or what?
[18:47] <adam_g> zul: can you push that python-warlock packaging somewhere so i can get builds going agian?
[18:48] <dbsr> well, my server was gettung hammered by baddies tryingi to get access to it through ssh, i disabled password auth and am using keypass now, so its not really needed anymore
[18:48] <dbsr> but i thought it would be fun to make
[18:48] <zul> adam_g: yep
[18:49] <dbsr> what it should do is when i want to ssh my server, i visit a php page that needs user/pass, when user/pass is correct, apache calls a script that opens the ssh port (22)
[18:49] <dbsr> and when i close the remote session ive got a script that closes the port
[18:49] <zul> adam_g: http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/tmp/
[18:49] <dbsr> the problem is that somehow, i cant use ufw to open the port for my ip
[18:49] <dbsr> when I add the exact same rule through gufw
[18:49] <dbsr> it does work
[18:50] <dbsr> and every setting file ive looked, both rules look exactly the same
[18:51] <dbsr> I have even looked at the gufw source code to see if it is doing anything special when it applies the rules, couldnt find it
[18:51] <dbsr> so im at wits end
[18:53] <RoyK> dbsr: apt-get install denyhosts ;)
[18:54] <RoyK> or fail2ban
[18:54] <Seveas> or knockd
[18:54] <Seveas> or use openvpn
[18:56] <dbsr_> sorry guys, got d/c
[18:56] <RoyK> Seveas: vpn is nonesense if you want a server to be available
[18:56] <RoyK> dbsr: try denyhosts or fail2ban
[18:56] <dbsr_> yea, im not making it as much any more for security reasons as for fun/learning
[18:56] <dbsr_> im running fail2ban
[18:57] <RoyK> then those worms won't get through
[18:57] <dbsr_> yea, dunno much about that, but was wondering howd they get my servers ip
[18:57] <dbsr_> i did register a website at freedns
[18:57] <dbsr_> thought that was it
[18:57] <RoyK> probably by sweeping
[18:58] <dbsr_> like mass port scanners?
[18:58] <RoyK> dbsr_: forget about secret addresses
[18:58] <RoyK> just secure your host
[18:58] <dbsr_> one of the ips that was hammering my server was apparently a well known botnet'
[18:58] <RoyK> listen: they'll find your address, just secure it
[18:59] <dbsr_> yea
[18:59] <dbsr_> thanks for the advice guys, if anyone knows what could cause the discrepancy between gufw and ufw would be cool
[19:00] <RoyK> dbsr_: the best advice is to secure your services - that way you won't need a firewall
[19:00] <dbsr_> no firewall at all?
[19:00] <RoyK> nope
[19:01] <dbsr_> neither on the router?
[19:01] <RoyK> a firewall is there to secure insecure systems behind it
[19:01] <dbsr_> heh
[19:01]  * RoyK works at hioa.no and we don't have a firewall
[19:01] <dbsr_> like only idiots need virusscanners?
[19:02] <RoyK> or windows users ;)
[19:02] <dbsr_> heh
[19:02] <dbsr_> same
[19:02]  * dbsr_ windows user
[19:02] <dbsr_> :)
[19:09] <dbsr> well hi again, webirc is no good apparently :)
[19:10] <dbsr> there has been one linux virus right? read an article about it a while back, decent read
[19:12] <RoyK> dbsr: there have been worms, but no big one since the BIND worm back in 1999 or so
[19:13] <RoyK> oh, 2001, that was
[19:15] <dbsr> RoyK: Have you ever tried archlinux? thought it would be fun to try it out, heared it isnt really a distro for (headless) servers tho
[19:15] <RoyK> dunno
[19:15] <RoyK> ubuntu works well for me
[19:16] <dbsr> fair enough, and any input on the lack of quality codecs for (hd) media playback
[19:16] <dbsr> if theyd have those
[19:16] <dbsr> i would switch back instantly
[19:23] <dbsr> aight, thanks for the help, gn all
[19:27] <streulma> hello
[19:27] <streulma> my sh script works if I am in the directory, but not outwards
[20:49] <raubvogel> Can anyone tell me why apparmor is not allowing mysql to start: http://pastie.org/private/idr4qq2ewnqewdtlfz0zlg
[20:49] <raubvogel> googling did not get me a good answer so far
[20:49] <SpamapS> raubvogel: I don't see any evidence that apparmor is preventing mysql from starting
[20:50] <SpamapS> raubvogel: the profile_replace is just from /etc/init/mysql.conf loading its profile into place before it starts
[20:51] <raubvogel> Ah ok. I have been having too much fun with apparmor this week so I am a bit in a knee-jerk mode
[20:52] <SpamapS> raubvogel: check /var/log/mysql*
[20:52] <SpamapS> Jul 18 12:45:54 certmysql kernel: [11966.798666] init: mysql main process (6145) terminated with status 1
[20:53] <raubvogel> SpamapS: It did not write to its log file
[20:53] <raubvogel> I think I know now what is going on
[20:53] <raubvogel> bind-address
[20:53] <SpamapS> raubvogel: when that happens I try running /usr/sbin/mysqld manually
[22:20] <bananapie> Hi, I want to compile a package that was downloaded using apt-get source [package name]. I compiled it using 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot --target=x86_64'. I am running on a 32bit machine, I was hoping to cross compile. Can someone point me to a straight forward guide on how to do this ?
[22:58] <smw_> I all, I have an ubuntu ec2 server and I am trying to use apt-get install. I cam getting 403s for everything
[22:58] <smw_> led to fetch http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gtk+3.0/libgtk-3-common_3.4.2-0ubuntu0.2_all.deb  403  Forbidden
[22:58] <smw_> s/led/Failed/
[22:59]  * smw_ pokes utlemming
[22:59] <utlemming> smw_: did you run "apt-get -y update" firsT?
[23:00] <smw_> oh... that would be a good idea :-)
[23:00] <smw_> thanks
[23:00] <smw_> utlemming, it is working now :-)
[23:01] <utlemming> smw_ :)
[23:01]  * utlemming is happy
[23:01] <utlemming> smw_: unfortantly, this is an area where I think apt is deficient
[23:01] <utlemming> it should update the meta-data before any operation, so you don't see 403's
[23:02] <smw_> yeah
[23:41] <hoover_damm> Hi, trying to use perf-top and well perf in 12.04 can't seem to find the package that has it?