[00:36] howdy [00:37] hey rick_h_droid [00:37] how's it going? [00:39] http://blog.kippt.com/2012/07/17/tags-are-here/ bah...knew i should have taken a year off to hack on bookie [00:39] gamerchiv [00:40] bah [00:40] gamerchick good,setting up, my tablet [00:40] what tablet? [00:41] a Nexus 7? [00:41] if so, i will be insanely jealous [00:41] yea finally arrived [00:41] >_< [00:41] * gamerchick02 is jealous [00:41] so getting email irc and such on it [00:41] * gamerchick02 has no tablet [00:41] :-D [00:42] well we'll see how owning one goes. [00:42] got it mostly for dev stuff [00:42] ah, dev stuff [00:42] i've been waffling on getting a tablet. maybe next year [00:43] i've spent far too much money recently. new computers, new shirts (though in my defense i needed new shirts for work) [00:44] heh yea pace yourself :-) [00:44] that kippt thing is cool [00:44] i'm stuck in pinboard right now though [00:45] delicious is dead. [00:46] bookie! I've been doing the full contemt [00:46] search since day 1 [00:46] yes! i know [00:46] and tags as search vehicles [00:46] That's why I posted that [00:46] it's brilliant. but your system wasn't as robust as pinboards when i switched from delicious [00:47] Holy crap the speak recognition on this thing is awesome [00:47] nice [00:47] No I understand in that's why I say that I wish I could take a year off to work on it [00:47] i'm still jealous of your awesome new tablet. [00:47] see, i'd use it as an ereader. [00:47] *shrug* [00:47] It's much faster to use the speech thing to type but I feel goofy speaking [00:47] hah [00:48] you're speaking to your tablet. [00:48] Kindle for the win as far as a reader goes [00:48] that's what the boy says [00:48] Yes got the faster speech recognition from jelly bean [00:48] but also i like the idea of having a full android experience [00:48] that's why i wouldn't be opposed to an ipad. full tablet experience. [00:49] ios, but yeah [00:49] yea that's why i got this one for dev [00:49] nice [00:49] That and a cheaper price [00:49] totally [00:49] the ipad is so expensive [00:50] And crappy to dev on [00:50] And expensive to dev for [00:50] Yeah and then you're into the all apple system you either have it all you have it none [00:51] yeah [00:51] i know [00:52] the air is treating me right though. i paid for an email client. Sparrow is the shit, as far as i'm concerned. [00:52] and it was on sale this past weekend. half off. hah [00:52] but i don't like itunes [00:53] Yes sparrow was a big hit the last year [00:54] i can see why [00:54] i want Geary to support nesting tags and multiple accounts. [00:54] all i need is a simple email client like Sparrow [00:54] Tbird is heavy for what i do [00:54] i'm a gmail… lover. ahem. [00:55] mutt! [00:55] :-P [00:56] does it support tags natively or does it create folders for your tags? [00:57] ok. History Detectives is gonna be on [00:57] no [00:57] have fun [00:57] no? [00:58] mutt? [00:58] no strange imap folders? [00:58] i can muck with mutt tomorrow night. [00:58] i'll be in IRC tomorrow night i'm sure. see you then. or thursday or whatever. :) [01:01] brousch so what are the tablet apps I should have? [01:29] rick_h_: Same as phone for me: evernote, dropbox, kindle reader [01:30] yea cool [01:30] hootsuite, google reader, gmail [01:31] Last I heard BotBrew had not been fixed for JB yet. Something about paths changing [01:31] But SL4A should work [01:32] yea default twitter client sucks [01:32] I pay for hootsuite since I control a dozen twitter/facebook accounts [01:33] kaiten mail should pass ok [01:37] ugh [01:42] lol it's bookie feature day http://blog.pinboard.in/2012/07/api_authentication_tokens/ [01:42] gah i suck [01:58] * greg-g waves from the Double Tree hotel in Portland [02:08] hey greg-g [11:08] morning [11:18] Morning [11:18] Hopefully we'll get a nice cold front this morning [11:24] yea, would be nice [11:29] Right now I could use a week just of snow [11:32] ACK SNOW IS A BAD WORD [11:32] my sweet and lovely snow! [12:14] rick_h_: Were you up all night fondling your 7 incher? [12:14] http://www.mug.org/meetings/ <- Would folks register here if you're planning on coming to MUG in August, and give me some feedback on the process? [12:15] no names? [12:16] No, it'll associate you with your contact information if you have some. [12:16] The page layout is kind of wonky [12:16] brousch: How so? [12:17] (And yes, there's not enough detain on the page about the meeting) [12:17] moved register button to "Regular MUG meeting" | left align the When/Location | reigster page has no title that I'm registering | print icon under "Past meetings link" | landing page after looks nice [12:17] snap-l: yea, meant lack of speaker name/detail on the first page [12:17] On the first page, the When is indented too much and the map [12:18] Heh, rick_h_ got all the stuff I noticed [12:18] :) [12:18] Most of that is not under my control. :) [12:19] Blazeix broke it! [12:19] :P [12:19] I mean all I have to work with is [civicrm id=...] [12:19] Ah [12:19] Not much control over styles? [12:20] Not really, though I think part of the problems are related to our theming. [12:20] and how civicrm shims itself into our pages. [12:20] I didn't register since I'm not going [12:21] brousch: np [12:21] Thank you for checking it, though [12:21] <3 this http://sriramk.com/unsolicitedyahoo.html [12:21] snap-l: Oh come on now http://www.mug.org/groups/ [12:21] At least change it to East Michigan [12:22] lol [12:22] poor brousch and his 20 twitter accounts is going to get you [12:22] brousch: We were here before you. :) [12:22] Don't make me submit all of these to your curated list http://conga-wm.org/group-list/ [12:23] brousch: I'll be more than happy to make a link to conga. ;) [12:23] It's the "Technology Groups in Michigan" I'm objecting to, not the name of MUG [12:24] Updated. Happy now? Sheesh! [12:24] Westies be hatin' [12:25] We're being oppressed! [12:25] Yeah, by the van van vander van vander van vans [12:26] snap-l: Is that the best list of East MI groups you know of? If so I'll link to it [12:27] brousch: AFAIK [12:28] needs to get the new node and lisp groups on there sometime [12:29] http://www.meetup.com/DetNode/ and http://lisp.meetup.com/cities/us/mi/detroit/ [12:29] Yeah, I just noticed a few missing and defunct groups in my list [12:29] brousch: http://www.mug.org/groups/ [12:29] http://www.detroitlambdalounge.com/ sorry better link [12:29] Added a link back to CONGA [12:30] morning [12:31] snap-l: I feel like we're a web ring [12:31] lol [12:31] morning [12:31] shakes808: [12:31] Don't ever speak those words together again [12:31] except, put those on one line [12:37] eh? [12:37] snap-l: maybe we can take a look at the register page tonight at chc [12:37] there shouldn't be very many styles defined by the hosting page [12:37] so maybe civicrm can be tweaked [12:38] it looks like they give us a bunch of useful classes/ids [12:45] Blazeix: That would be cool. Thanks! [13:22] Ah geez. The Detroit Science Center and the Detroit Children's Museum are both closed. You guys need to get your shit together over there [13:23] yea, that sucks. The boy loved the children's museum [13:23] The science center was frickin awesome [13:34] Are they closed for good, or reorganizing? [13:34] They've been closed for about a year, with no new news on their pages [13:36] the science center was recently purchased (in the past month or so) and the new owner is trying to get it opened back up [13:37] widox: Excellent [13:47] brousch: Don't get your hopes up. THere's a wide divide between planning and doing in Detroit. [13:48] Dream killer [13:49] Detroit has too many pimps and not enough hoes [13:50] Lots of folks who like to talk big, act big, and get paid big for doing no work [14:05] they ran out of $$$ [14:05] Detroit, or the museums? [14:05] Because it's true on both counts. :) [14:06] It was expensive and really busy when we were there [14:06] both [14:23] rick_h_: did you see this? http://www.detroitlambdalounge.com/events/73705572/ [14:23] it's the lisp-ish user group, but they're talking about Go. [14:23] Blazeix: no, didn't see that cool [14:24] ugh on long CHC night? [14:24] yeah... i need to increase my number of wednesdays per week [14:24] too many cool things going on [14:25] yea, starting to pick up [14:26] Too much awesome, not enough time [14:26] Especially if you want to tuck your kid in at night [14:27] teach your kid Go, bring him to lambda lounge, tuck him in there. [14:28] Working on it [14:33] http://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/ O M G [14:34] snap-l: they've taken your favorite method of distributing software to a new level [14:34] Oh that's lovely. [14:35] They're basically removing your old redhat repos and replacing them with Oracle [14:35] right "and installing a few required packages" [14:36] Inasmuch <- They fucking used the word insasmuch [14:36] lol, I couldn't tell if it was an onion article or not at first lol [14:37] This is crazy [14:37] hey, what's not to like? :) [14:38] Well, let me think [14:38] Begins with OR, ends with E, and has ACL in the middle [14:39] What'll be fun is if Oracle changes its mind on the free part, and sends out a package to alter the bargain [16:02] Refresh my memory: is formatting a log message a bad practice? (i.e.: log.info('Formatting in a log message is {mood}'.format(mood=...)) [16:17] bad because that function call is made even if you don't have logging at that level [16:17] good if you want pretty log messages and don't care about the perf impact [16:18] What's the better way to do it, then? [16:19] And the logging is at info, so perf impact is negligible anyway. :) [16:19] I wouldn't worry about it then [16:20] OK [16:20] Thank you. :) [16:20] you have my blessing my son [16:20] * rick_h_ puts down this rosary beadds [16:20] Thank you, sensei [16:21] DOmo aRIgatou, sensei-san [16:21] just don't do it in a million row loop :P [16:21] (whoops) [16:21] ;) [16:21] rick_h_: In this code, that would be the least of the performance hits. ;) [16:22] yea, why I'm giving you your answer to the question, but doubt you should worry about it [16:57] oh lovely http://www.satechi.net/index.php/faq/ [17:08] put your faq content here, lol [17:08] yea, went looking for online versions of the device manuals with no luck [17:10] "Our product so easy to use, you no need manual. Please do the needful to ensure proper operation device" [17:11] now I can't believe I don't have a single item small enough to hit a little reset button. No paper == no paperclips any more I guess [17:11] hair pin? [17:12] * brousch snickers [17:12] umm yea...I've got 4 of those in my backpack :P [17:12] Oh, you're out and about [17:12] yea, at the coffee shop where else? [17:12] rick_h_: Do you have a mechanical pencil? [17:12] get a stirring stick and break it lengthwise [17:13] snap-l: not with me no, only pends that wont fit [17:13] I was trying a straw folding up with no success [17:13] Ask loudly in the coffee shop if someone has a syringe you could borrow. [17:13] yes! [17:13] I'm sure someone will cop to it. [17:13] "It'll only be a minute" [17:13] Or go in the alley out back and just pick one up [17:13] psh, I'm in clarkston not detroit [17:14] One virtue of living in the Tha D [17:14] brousch: Nah, that's unsafe. You might get the AIDS [17:16] Drop a glass on the ground. One of the shards will fit [17:16] hah [17:18] Wow, I just had a business idea. You know how at the airport they confiscate things like knives and such, but some people don't want to just leave them behind. You could setup a service to hang around at TSA checkpoints and mail those items to your home. [17:19] brousch: Right, because the post office has no regulations about firearms or knives. [17:19] UPS [17:19] Lighters and pocket knives come to mind [17:22] SOmething tells me if it were profitable / plausible, someone would have already done it. [17:23] DREAMKILLER [17:24] I'm a pro [17:24] Hey, maybe that's a business [17:24] OMG! found a way to run bookmarklets from Chrome on android [17:25] oh happy day! [17:25] Pay me $500 to listen to your start-up pitch. Then I can tell you you're an idiot. :) [17:25] ah damn readable.bmark.us looks good on the N7 [17:25] and yay I can submit to bookie pages from the phone/tablet now. [17:25] I wonder if negativefeedback.com is available [17:26] Damn, already registered [17:26] It could work if you can give constructive criticism, not just call them an idiot [17:26] whois yourstartupisstupid.com [17:26] that one is taken too [17:27] It's just a placeholder site [17:27] whois yourmomthinksyourstupid.com [17:27] You can buy it for $500 [17:27] There we go [17:27] wrong your [17:27] Oh, wait, Typo. [17:27] both are free [17:30] yostartupsowhack.com [17:48] dorkland: RT @greywulf: I should create a website called Nonstarter where people post their bad ideas and other folks pay them to make sure they never happen. [17:50] I think that was in a web comic [17:53] ah gary https://twitter.com/garybernhardt/status/225649253966561280 [17:54] Sometimes I think Gary posts things just to be controversial [17:54] oh yea [17:54] the front of the line of trolls not to feed [17:55] I was talking to Dave about Mongo since SF uses it for all data in Allura [17:55] heh yea and I've heard some good/bad stories [17:55] He seemed to have missed all of the Mongo loses data quips [17:55] brousch: He had a good operations team [17:55] nice thing is that they were using it initially for Views/collections of information available so losses were just 'rebuild the view' [17:56] He said it's been very good. No problems over a couple of years [17:56] brousch: It may have been better, but initially it was pretty fast and loose with data [17:56] it's very easy to set MOngo up so it will fuck you, hard. [17:57] yea, don't setup 8 servers :) [17:58] Mongo always felt like they were playing fast and loose with the data [17:58] "live fast, play hard, and leave an exquisite corpse" [17:58] Bah, data is cheap. Just make some more if you lose it [17:59] Well, they started using it as the point of record. That's when things got interesting. [18:23] leaving a corpse is not enviromentally friendly. unless you leave it somewhere nobody can get their hands on it and fill it with chemicals. [18:24] ummm, ok that's interesting [18:28] Good to know? :) [18:28] http://db.tt/s8uA7KVx sweet it works! [18:29] What is that? [18:29] Bluetooth speaker? [18:29] Bluetooth speaker for the n7 [18:29] (Squeezebox. ;) ) [18:29] Get Squeeze Player and Squeeze Controller on that bad boy [18:30] Did not know that I could pipe my tablet youtube watching over to the squeezebox [18:30] or movies etc [18:30] I've got the controller [18:30] IF you don't mind piping just the audio, it'll work fine. :) [18:30] I see ESPN Radion on there. :) [18:31] It won't do video, though [18:31] but if you want to use the N7 like a walkman, it'll work nicely with Squeeze Player [18:32] http://www.squeezeplayer.com/ [18:33] well it's a podcast I was playing to test with [18:33] but cool, will try it out [18:34] It's how I use my phone with the Squeezebox if I don't want to disturb folks [18:35] well the thing is to play content on there with a better speaker that's still portable and wireless [18:35] Yeah, that's fine [18:35] I'm not saying don't do it that way. I'm saying you can incorporate teh Squeezebox onto the tablet. :) [18:36] Apparently Squeezebox is my new GTD> ;) [18:36] yea, for me the only thing the squeezebox plays is hte streaming radio stuff and pandora for the boy [18:37] Expand your horizons [18:38] Don't make me have to schedule a demo [18:38] so hmm, squeeze player let's me play on the tablet, but I'd want to push to the squeezebox since it has the speaker on it [18:38] I must be missing how I need to use this. If I could push my google music streaming to the squeezebox that'd be cool [18:38] but the squeezebox has very little content on its own [18:39] It has to start from the server to the remote device [18:39] So the server would have to know about what's on the Google music service [18:39] I don't think that's set up yet. [18:40] right, the squeezebox is mostly just an extra speaker that can play streaming radio/pandora or I've got ot wire it in [18:40] They're "working on it" but for now it's not possible. [18:40] Ideally, you'd have teh SB have access to the local files that you put into Google PLay [18:40] and have it serve that way [18:40] right, but they only exist ona backup drive some where [18:41] I moved all my stuff to google music so I didn't need the local files to move around [18:41] just use google music on phone/laptop/tablet [18:41] and the portable BT speaker helps that work better across the house [18:41] Right [18:42] All of my stuff is local on my home machine [18:42] Get a home server [18:42] so I use Squeezebox to serve it out throughout the house / to work. [18:42] I'm the opposite [18:42] ok, I just want to make sure I'm not missing some way I can use the SB [18:42] sounds like not at the moment [18:42] Well, you can use the SB player to route what you'd normally play from the SB server to your tablet [18:43] or to use the Squeezebox controller app to control the Radio or vice versa [18:43] but that's about it. [18:43] (i.e.: I can use the phone to control all of the connected Squeezebox devices in the house) [18:44] right, I've got the SB remote on here for that part [18:44] THe Player means you can use it as a receiver. [18:47] The only locker they support is mp3tunes [18:48] http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?13622-iPhone <- Wow, look at this guy's sig [18:49] THat's hardcore [19:43] Got another Ting phone for my FIL [19:44] you like TING? [19:44] hopefully it'll replace the Tracfone he's been using [19:44] Yep [19:44] i think it is sprint right? [19:44] It is sprint [19:44] So if Sprint sucks in your area, it'll still suck [19:45] but not as hard. [19:46] Thing is, he barely uses the phone save for emergencies [19:46] and he has a LG phone that's a piece of crap [19:46] and I HATE HATE HATE Tracfone [19:46] I want nothing more to do with them [19:47] so I can combine his phone bill (aka 3 month expiration bullshit from Trafone) into my Ting phone bill [19:47] he uses the same minutes, same text messaging, data, etc. [19:48] did you have to break a contract or did you just wait until your contract was up? [19:48] because that's my issue right now [19:48] I didn't have a contract (was using tracfone prior) [19:48] i'm locked in until december of 2013 [19:48] i think [19:48] They had a sweepstakes for paying contract breaking fees. [19:48] but that's past [19:49] Are you already with Sprint? [19:49] nope vzw [19:53] You might want to check to see how much the termination gfee might ve. [19:53] be, even [20:26] I'v egot someone coming out Friday. [20:26] Hopefully it won't be another dance of the "well, you have great signal strength" [20:27] Yeah, I have great signal strength, except when I don't. [20:30] You have the signal strength of ten men! [20:31] Signal strength and signal quality are two entirely different metrics. [20:32] SNR [20:32] Indeed. [20:32] WEll, their bullshit strength is at max capacity [20:34] Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out [20:34] You may want to upgrade : http://www.atarimagazines.com/compute/issue156/S2_How_to_upgrade_your_.php [20:34] Wow, I remember Compute! [20:34] I <3 computer [20:34] Compute, even. :) [20:37] You know its not an actual disadvantage, but for some reason it griefs me that I can't just have a function in Java, its got to go in a class. [20:38] DoSomething.doItNow() [20:39] I feel like if I'm creating a Class, its because I have some objects I want to create, and if I want to create objects, its so I can store some state. [20:39] Math.addTwoNumbers(a,b) is retarded [20:42] Actions.kick(); Actions.stab(); [20:44] maybe there's something wrong with the way I'm thinking. [20:48] No, it's just that Java is idiotic about how it handles objects [20:58] What the hell is with pep8 and this bullshit under/over indenting for visual indent [20:58] AbstractMockDelegateFascadeFactoryFactory.createAbstractMockDelegateFascadeFactory().createDefaultMockDelegateFacade().toString(). [20:59] <_stink_> now cast it to String :P [21:00] Makes me positively pine for hungarian notation [21:09] Fuck [21:19] snap-l what has pep8 got you annoyed over now? [21:19] main.py|253 col 13| E127 continuation line over-indented for visual indent [21:19] I have hundreds of these fucking things [21:20] over-indented, under-indented [21:20] frankly, I don't give a flying fuck what pep8 thinks of that indenting, it's what vim defaults to [21:20] so...sounds like some dupe code to refactor into a few indented properly? [21:21] lol [21:21] Oh fuck me [21:21] I'm doing the indenting to get around pep8's idiotic 80 colum limit [21:22] tired of danicing for PEP8s amusement [21:22] dude seriously, once you get over that hurdle it all better. [21:22] WHAT HURDLE? [21:23] Why is it even bitching about second-line indents in the first place? [21:23] THis is what VIM indents to [21:23] I'm not going to fight vim just to please pep8's idiotic indenting [21:32] There's no pleasing this piece of shit [21:34] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/KlRYQUY0aBZt7Q5uNcfB/ [21:34] OK, how am I supposed to make this pep8-worthy [21:35] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/738/ or this [21:37] Darn django staticfiles had me scratching my head again [21:41]