[00:36] <rick_h_droid> howdy
[00:37] <gamerchick02> hey rick_h_droid
[00:37] <gamerchick02> how's it going?
[00:39] <rick_h_droid> http://blog.kippt.com/2012/07/17/tags-are-here/ bah...knew i should have taken a year off to hack on bookie
[00:39] <rick_h_droid> gamerchiv
[00:40] <rick_h_droid> bah
[00:40] <rick_h_droid> gamerchick good,setting up, my tablet
[00:40] <gamerchick02> what tablet?
[00:41] <gamerchick02> a Nexus 7?
[00:41] <gamerchick02> if so, i will be insanely jealous
[00:41] <rick_h_droid> yea finally arrived
[00:41] <gamerchick02> >_<
[00:41]  * gamerchick02 is jealous
[00:41] <rick_h_droid> so getting email irc and such on it
[00:41]  * gamerchick02 has no tablet
[00:41] <gamerchick02> :-D
[00:42] <rick_h_droid> well we'll see how owning one goes.
[00:42] <rick_h_droid> got it mostly for dev stuff
[00:42] <gamerchick02> ah, dev stuff
[00:42] <gamerchick02> i've been waffling on getting a tablet. maybe next year
[00:43] <gamerchick02> i've spent far too much money recently. new computers, new shirts (though in my defense i needed new shirts for work)
[00:44] <rick_h_droid> heh yea pace yourself :-)
[00:44] <gamerchick02> that kippt thing is cool
[00:44] <gamerchick02> i'm stuck in pinboard right now though
[00:45] <gamerchick02> delicious is dead.
[00:46] <rick_h_droid> bookie! I've been doing the full contemt
[00:46] <rick_h_droid> search since day 1
[00:46] <gamerchick02> yes! i know
[00:46] <rick_h_droid> and tags as search vehicles
[00:46] <rick_h_droid> That's why I posted that
[00:46] <gamerchick02> it's brilliant. but your system wasn't as robust as pinboards when i switched from delicious
[00:47] <rick_h_droid> Holy crap the speak recognition on this thing is awesome
[00:47] <gamerchick02> nice
[00:47] <rick_h_droid> No I understand in that's why I say that I wish I could take a year off to work on it
[00:47] <gamerchick02> i'm still jealous of your awesome new tablet.
[00:47] <gamerchick02> see, i'd use it as an ereader.
[00:47] <gamerchick02> *shrug*
[00:47] <rick_h_droid> It's much faster to use the speech thing to type but I feel goofy speaking
[00:47] <gamerchick02> hah
[00:48] <gamerchick02> you're speaking to your tablet.
[00:48] <rick_h_droid> Kindle for the win as far as a reader goes
[00:48] <gamerchick02> that's what the boy says
[00:48] <rick_h_droid> Yes got the faster speech recognition from jelly bean
[00:48] <gamerchick02> but also i like the idea of having a full android experience
[00:48] <gamerchick02> that's why i wouldn't be opposed to an ipad. full tablet experience.
[00:49] <gamerchick02> ios, but yeah
[00:49] <rick_h_droid> yea that's why i got this one for dev
[00:49] <gamerchick02> nice
[00:49] <rick_h_droid> That and a cheaper price
[00:49] <gamerchick02> totally
[00:49] <gamerchick02> the ipad is so expensive
[00:50] <brousch> And crappy to dev on
[00:50] <brousch> And expensive to dev for
[00:50] <rick_h_droid> Yeah and then you're into the all apple system you either have it all you have it none
[00:51] <gamerchick02> yeah
[00:51] <gamerchick02> i know
[00:52] <gamerchick02> the air is treating me right though. i paid for an email client. Sparrow is the shit, as far as i'm concerned.
[00:52] <gamerchick02> and it was on sale this past weekend. half off. hah
[00:52] <gamerchick02> but i don't like itunes
[00:53] <rick_h_droid> Yes sparrow was a big hit the last year
[00:54] <gamerchick02> i can see why
[00:54] <gamerchick02> i want Geary to support nesting tags and multiple accounts.
[00:54] <gamerchick02> all i need is a simple email client like Sparrow
[00:54] <gamerchick02> Tbird is heavy for what i do
[00:54] <gamerchick02> i'm a gmail… lover. ahem.
[00:55] <rick_h_droid> mutt!
[00:55] <rick_h_droid> :-P
[00:56] <gamerchick02> does it support tags natively or does it create folders for your tags?
[00:57] <gamerchick02> ok. History Detectives is gonna be on
[00:57] <rick_h_droid> no
[00:57] <rick_h_droid> have fun
[00:57] <gamerchick02> no?
[00:58] <gamerchick02> mutt?
[00:58] <gamerchick02> no strange imap folders?
[00:58] <gamerchick02> i can muck with mutt tomorrow night.
[00:58] <gamerchick02> i'll be in IRC tomorrow night i'm sure. see you then. or thursday or whatever. :)
[01:01] <rick_h_droid> brousch so what are the tablet apps I should have?
[01:29] <brousch> rick_h_: Same as phone for me: evernote, dropbox, kindle reader
[01:30] <rick_h_droid> yea cool
[01:30] <brousch> hootsuite, google reader, gmail
[01:31] <brousch> Last I heard BotBrew had not been fixed for JB yet. Something about paths changing
[01:31] <brousch> But SL4A should work
[01:32] <rick_h_droid> yea default twitter client sucks
[01:32] <brousch> I pay for hootsuite since I control a dozen twitter/facebook accounts
[01:33] <rick_h_droid> kaiten mail should pass ok
[01:37] <rick_h_droid> ugh
[01:42] <rick_h_droid> lol it's bookie feature day http://blog.pinboard.in/2012/07/api_authentication_tokens/
[01:42] <rick_h_droid> gah i suck
[01:58]  * greg-g waves from the Double Tree hotel in Portland
[02:08] <rick_h_droid> hey greg-g
[11:08] <rick_h_> morning
[11:18] <snap-l> Morning
[11:18] <snap-l> Hopefully we'll get a nice cold front this morning
[11:24] <rick_h_droid> yea, would be nice
[11:29] <rick_h_droid> Right now I could use a week just of snow
[11:32] <mydogsnameisrudy> ACK SNOW IS A BAD WORD
[11:32] <rick_h_> my sweet and lovely snow!
[12:14] <brousch> rick_h_: Were you up all night fondling your 7 incher?
[12:14] <snap-l> http://www.mug.org/meetings/ <- Would folks register here if you're planning on coming to MUG in August, and  give me some feedback on the process?
[12:15] <rick_h_> no names?
[12:16] <snap-l> No, it'll associate you with your contact information if you have some.
[12:16] <brousch> The page layout is kind of wonky
[12:16] <snap-l> brousch: How so?
[12:17] <snap-l> (And yes, there's not enough detain on the page about the meeting)
[12:17] <rick_h_> moved register button to "Regular MUG meeting" | left align the When/Location | reigster page has no title that I'm registering | print icon under "Past meetings link" | landing page after looks nice
[12:17] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, meant lack of speaker name/detail on the first page
[12:17] <brousch> On the first page, the When is indented too much and the map
[12:18] <brousch> Heh, rick_h_ got all the stuff I noticed
[12:18] <rick_h_> :)
[12:18] <snap-l> Most of that is not under my control. :)
[12:19] <rick_h_> Blazeix broke it!
[12:19] <rick_h_> :P
[12:19] <snap-l> I mean all I have to work with is [civicrm id=...]
[12:19] <brousch> Ah
[12:19] <brousch> Not much control over styles?
[12:20] <snap-l> Not really, though I think part of the problems are related to our theming.
[12:20] <snap-l> and how civicrm shims itself into our pages.
[12:20] <brousch> I didn't register since I'm not going
[12:21] <snap-l> brousch: np
[12:21] <snap-l> Thank you for checking it, though
[12:21] <rick_h_> <3 this http://sriramk.com/unsolicitedyahoo.html
[12:21] <brousch> snap-l: Oh come on now http://www.mug.org/groups/
[12:21] <brousch> At least change it to East Michigan
[12:22] <rick_h_> lol
[12:22] <rick_h_> poor brousch and his 20 twitter accounts is going to get you
[12:22] <snap-l> brousch: We were here before you. :)
[12:22] <brousch> Don't make me submit all of these to your curated list http://conga-wm.org/group-list/
[12:23] <snap-l> brousch: I'll be more than happy to make a link to conga. ;)
[12:23] <brousch> It's the "Technology Groups in Michigan" I'm objecting to, not the name of MUG
[12:24] <snap-l> Updated. Happy now? Sheesh!
[12:24] <snap-l> Westies be hatin'
[12:25] <brousch> We're being oppressed!
[12:25] <snap-l> Yeah, by the van van vander van vander van vans
[12:26] <brousch> snap-l: Is that the best list of East MI groups you know of? If so I'll link to it
[12:27] <snap-l> brousch: AFAIK
[12:28] <rick_h_> needs to get the new node and lisp groups on there sometime
[12:29] <rick_h_> http://www.meetup.com/DetNode/ and http://lisp.meetup.com/cities/us/mi/detroit/
[12:29] <brousch> Yeah, I just noticed a few missing and defunct groups in my list
[12:29] <snap-l> brousch: http://www.mug.org/groups/
[12:29] <rick_h_> http://www.detroitlambdalounge.com/ sorry better link
[12:29] <snap-l> Added a link back to CONGA
[12:30] <shakes808> morning
[12:31] <brousch> snap-l: I feel like we're a web ring
[12:31] <rick_h_> lol
[12:31] <rick_h_> morning
[12:31] <rick_h_> shakes808:
[12:31] <snap-l> Don't ever speak those words together again
[12:31] <rick_h_> except, put those on one line
[12:37] <brousch> eh?
[12:37] <Blazeix> snap-l: maybe we can take a look at the register page tonight at chc
[12:37] <Blazeix> there shouldn't be very many styles defined by the hosting page
[12:37] <Blazeix> so maybe civicrm can be tweaked
[12:38] <Blazeix> it looks like they give us a bunch of useful classes/ids
[12:45] <snap-l> Blazeix: That would be cool. Thanks!
[13:22] <brousch> Ah geez. The Detroit Science Center and the Detroit Children's Museum are both closed. You guys need to get your shit together over there
[13:23] <rick_h_> yea, that sucks. The boy loved the children's museum
[13:23] <brousch> The science center was frickin awesome
[13:34] <snap-l> Are they closed for good, or reorganizing?
[13:34] <brousch> They've been closed for about a year, with no new news on their pages
[13:36] <widox> the science center was recently purchased (in the past month or so) and the new owner is trying to get it opened back up
[13:37] <brousch> widox: Excellent
[13:47] <snap-l> brousch: Don't get your hopes up. THere's a wide divide between planning and doing in Detroit.
[13:48] <brousch> Dream killer
[13:49] <snap-l> Detroit has too many pimps and not enough hoes
[13:50] <snap-l> Lots of folks who like to talk big, act big, and get paid big for doing no work
[14:05] <jrwren> they ran out of $$$
[14:05] <snap-l> Detroit, or the museums?
[14:05] <snap-l> Because it's true on both counts. :)
[14:06] <brousch> It was expensive and really busy when we were there
[14:06] <jrwren> both
[14:23] <Blazeix> rick_h_: did you see this? http://www.detroitlambdalounge.com/events/73705572/
[14:23] <Blazeix> it's the lisp-ish user group, but they're talking about Go.
[14:23] <rick_h_> Blazeix: no, didn't see that cool
[14:24] <rick_h_> ugh on long CHC night?
[14:24] <Blazeix> yeah... i need to increase my number of wednesdays per week
[14:24] <Blazeix> too many cool things going on
[14:25] <rick_h_> yea, starting to pick up
[14:26] <brousch> Too much awesome, not enough time
[14:26] <brousch> Especially if you want to tuck your kid in at night
[14:27] <Blazeix> teach your kid Go, bring him to lambda lounge, tuck him in there.
[14:28] <brousch> Working on it
[14:33] <rick_h_> http://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/ O M G
[14:34] <rick_h_> snap-l: they've taken your favorite method of distributing software to a new level
[14:34] <snap-l> Oh that's lovely.
[14:35] <snap-l> They're basically removing your old redhat repos and replacing them with Oracle
[14:35] <rick_h_> right "and installing a few required packages"
[14:36] <snap-l> Inasmuch <- They fucking used the word insasmuch
[14:36] <rick_h_> lol, I couldn't tell if it was an onion article or not at first lol
[14:37] <snap-l> This is crazy
[14:37] <rick_h_> hey, what's not to like? :)
[14:38] <snap-l> Well, let me think
[14:38] <snap-l> Begins with OR, ends with E, and has ACL in the middle
[14:39] <snap-l> What'll be fun is if Oracle changes its mind on the free part, and sends out a package to alter the bargain
[16:02] <snap-l> Refresh my memory: is formatting a log message a bad practice? (i.e.: log.info('Formatting in a log message is {mood}'.format(mood=...))
[16:17] <rick_h_> bad because that function call is made even if you don't have logging at that level
[16:17] <rick_h_> good if you want pretty log messages and don't care about the perf impact
[16:18] <snap-l> What's the better way to do it, then?
[16:19] <snap-l> And the logging is at info, so perf impact is negligible anyway. :)
[16:19] <rick_h_> I wouldn't worry about it then
[16:20] <snap-l> OK
[16:20] <snap-l> Thank you. :)
[16:20] <rick_h_> you have my blessing my son
[16:20]  * rick_h_ puts down this rosary beadds
[16:20] <snap-l> Thank you, sensei
[16:21] <snap-l> DOmo aRIgatou, sensei-san
[16:21] <rick_h_> just don't do it in a million row loop :P
[16:21] <snap-l> (whoops)
[16:21] <snap-l> ;)
[16:21] <snap-l> rick_h_: In this code, that would be the least of the performance hits. ;)
[16:22] <rick_h_> yea, why I'm giving you your answer to the question, but doubt you should worry about it
[16:57] <rick_h_> oh lovely http://www.satechi.net/index.php/faq/
[17:08] <jrwren> put your faq content here, lol
[17:08] <rick_h_> yea, went looking for online versions of the device manuals with no luck
[17:10] <snap-l> "Our product so easy to use, you no need manual. Please do the needful to ensure proper operation device"
[17:11] <rick_h_> now I can't believe I don't have a single item small enough to hit a little reset button. No paper == no paperclips any more I guess
[17:11] <brousch> hair pin?
[17:12]  * brousch snickers
[17:12] <rick_h_> umm yea...I've got 4 of those in my backpack :P
[17:12] <brousch> Oh, you're out and about
[17:12] <rick_h_> yea, at the coffee shop where else?
[17:12] <snap-l> rick_h_: Do you have a mechanical pencil?
[17:12] <brousch> get a stirring stick and break it lengthwise
[17:13] <rick_h_> snap-l: not with me no, only pends that wont fit
[17:13] <rick_h_> I was trying a straw folding up with no success
[17:13] <snap-l> Ask loudly in the coffee shop if someone has a syringe you could borrow.
[17:13] <brousch> yes!
[17:13] <snap-l> I'm sure someone will cop to it.
[17:13] <snap-l> "It'll only be a minute"
[17:13] <brousch> Or go in the alley out back and just pick one up
[17:13] <rick_h_> psh, I'm in clarkston not detroit
[17:14] <brousch> One virtue of living in the Tha D
[17:14] <snap-l> brousch: Nah, that's unsafe. You might get the AIDS
[17:16] <brousch> Drop a glass on the ground. One of the shards will fit
[17:16] <rick_h_> hah
[17:18] <brousch> Wow, I just had a business idea. You know how at the airport they confiscate things like knives and such, but some people don't want to just leave them behind. You could setup a service to hang around at TSA checkpoints and mail those items to your home.
[17:19] <snap-l> brousch: Right, because the post office has no regulations about firearms or knives.
[17:19] <brousch> UPS
[17:19] <brousch> Lighters and pocket knives come to mind
[17:22] <snap-l> SOmething tells me if it were profitable / plausible, someone would have already done it.
[17:23] <brousch> DREAMKILLER
[17:24] <snap-l> I'm a pro
[17:24] <snap-l> Hey, maybe that's a business
[17:24] <rick_h_> OMG! found a way to run bookmarklets from Chrome on android
[17:25] <rick_h_> oh happy day!
[17:25] <snap-l> Pay me $500 to listen to your start-up pitch. Then I can tell you you're an idiot. :)
[17:25] <rick_h_> ah damn readable.bmark.us looks good on the N7
[17:25] <rick_h_> and yay I can submit to bookie pages from the phone/tablet now.
[17:25] <snap-l> I wonder if negativefeedback.com is available
[17:26] <snap-l> Damn, already registered
[17:26] <brousch> It could work if you can give constructive criticism, not just call them an idiot
[17:26] <snap-l> whois yourstartupisstupid.com
[17:26] <snap-l> that one is taken too
[17:27] <brousch> It's just a placeholder site
[17:27] <snap-l> whois yourmomthinksyourstupid.com
[17:27] <brousch> You can buy it for $500
[17:27] <snap-l> There we go
[17:27] <brousch> wrong your
[17:27] <snap-l> Oh, wait, Typo.
[17:27] <snap-l> both are free
[17:30] <brousch> yostartupsowhack.com
[17:48] <snap-l> dorkland: RT @greywulf: I should create a website called Nonstarter where people post     their bad ideas and other folks pay them to make sure they never happen.
[17:50] <brousch> I think that was in a web comic
[17:53] <rick_h_> ah gary https://twitter.com/garybernhardt/status/225649253966561280
[17:54] <snap-l> Sometimes I think Gary posts things just to be controversial
[17:54] <rick_h_> oh yea
[17:54] <rick_h_> the front of the line of trolls not to feed
[17:55] <brousch> I was talking to Dave about Mongo since SF uses it for all data in Allura
[17:55] <rick_h_> heh yea and I've heard some good/bad stories
[17:55] <brousch> He seemed to have missed all of the Mongo loses data quips
[17:55] <snap-l> brousch: He had a good operations team
[17:55] <rick_h_> nice thing is that they were using it initially for Views/collections of information available so losses were just 'rebuild the view'
[17:56] <brousch> He said it's been very good. No problems over a couple of years
[17:56] <snap-l> brousch: It may have been better, but initially it was pretty fast and loose with data
[17:56] <snap-l> it's very easy to set MOngo up so it will fuck you, hard.
[17:57] <rick_h_> yea, don't setup 8 servers :)
[17:58] <snap-l> Mongo always felt like they were playing fast and loose with the data
[17:58] <snap-l> "live fast, play hard, and leave an exquisite corpse"
[17:58] <brousch> Bah, data is cheap. Just make some more if you lose it
[17:59] <snap-l> Well, they started using it as the point of record. That's when things got interesting.
[18:23] <derekv> leaving a corpse is not enviromentally friendly.  unless you leave it somewhere nobody can get their hands on it and fill it with chemicals.
[18:24] <rick_h_> ummm, ok that's interesting
[18:28] <snap-l> Good to know? :)
[18:28] <rick_h_71> http://db.tt/s8uA7KVx sweet it works!
[18:29] <snap-l> What is that?
[18:29] <snap-l> Bluetooth speaker?
[18:29] <rick_h_71> Bluetooth speaker for the n7
[18:29] <snap-l> (Squeezebox. ;) )
[18:29] <snap-l> Get Squeeze Player and Squeeze Controller on that bad boy
[18:30] <rick_h_71> Did not know that I could pipe my tablet youtube watching over to the squeezebox
[18:30] <rick_h_71> or movies etc
[18:30] <rick_h_71> I've got the controller
[18:30] <snap-l> IF you don't mind piping just the audio, it'll work fine. :)
[18:30] <snap-l> I see ESPN Radion on there. :)
[18:31] <snap-l> It won't do video, though
[18:31] <snap-l> but if you want to use the N7 like a walkman, it'll work nicely with Squeeze Player
[18:32] <snap-l> http://www.squeezeplayer.com/
[18:33] <rick_h_> well it's a podcast I was playing to test with
[18:33] <rick_h_> but cool, will try it out
[18:34] <snap-l> It's how I use my phone with the Squeezebox if I don't want to disturb folks
[18:35] <rick_h_> well the thing is to play content on there with a better speaker that's still portable and wireless
[18:35] <snap-l> Yeah, that's fine
[18:35] <snap-l> I'm not saying don't do it that way. I'm saying you can incorporate teh Squeezebox onto the tablet. :)
[18:36] <snap-l> Apparently Squeezebox is my new GTD> ;)
[18:36] <rick_h_> yea, for me the only thing the squeezebox plays is hte streaming radio stuff and pandora for the boy
[18:37] <snap-l> Expand your horizons
[18:38] <snap-l> Don't make me have to schedule a demo
[18:38] <rick_h_> so hmm, squeeze player let's me play on the tablet, but I'd want to push to the squeezebox since it has the speaker on it
[18:38] <rick_h_> I must be missing how I need to use this. If I could push my google music streaming to the squeezebox that'd be cool
[18:38] <rick_h_> but the squeezebox has very little content on its own
[18:39] <snap-l> It has to start from the server to the remote device
[18:39] <snap-l> So the server would have to know about what's on the Google music service
[18:39] <snap-l> I don't think that's set up yet.
[18:40] <rick_h_> right, the squeezebox is mostly just an extra speaker that can play streaming radio/pandora or I've got ot wire it in
[18:40] <snap-l> They're "working on it" but for now it's not possible.
[18:40] <snap-l> Ideally, you'd have teh SB have access to the local files that you put into Google PLay
[18:40] <snap-l> and have it serve that way
[18:40] <rick_h_> right, but they only exist ona backup drive some where
[18:41] <rick_h_> I moved all my stuff to google music so I didn't need the local files to move around
[18:41] <rick_h_> just use google music on phone/laptop/tablet
[18:41] <rick_h_> and the portable BT speaker helps that work better across the house
[18:41] <snap-l> Right
[18:42] <snap-l> All of my stuff is local on my home machine
[18:42] <brousch> Get a home server
[18:42] <snap-l> so I use Squeezebox to serve it out throughout the house / to work.
[18:42] <rick_h_> I'm the opposite
[18:42] <rick_h_> ok, I just want to make sure I'm not missing some way I can use the SB
[18:42] <rick_h_> sounds like not at the moment
[18:42] <snap-l> Well, you can use the SB player to route what you'd normally play from the SB server to your tablet
[18:43] <snap-l> or to use the Squeezebox controller app to control the Radio or vice versa
[18:43] <snap-l> but that's about it.
[18:43] <snap-l> (i.e.: I can use the phone to control all of the connected Squeezebox devices in the house)
[18:44] <rick_h_> right, I've got the SB remote on here for that part
[18:44] <snap-l> THe Player means you can use it as a receiver.
[18:47] <snap-l> The only locker they support is mp3tunes
[18:48] <snap-l> http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?13622-iPhone <- Wow, look at this guy's sig
[18:49] <snap-l> THat's hardcore
[19:43] <snap-l> Got another Ting phone for my FIL
[19:44] <jjesse> you like TING?
[19:44] <snap-l> hopefully it'll replace the Tracfone he's been using
[19:44] <snap-l> Yep
[19:44] <jjesse> i think it is sprint right?
[19:44] <snap-l> It is sprint
[19:44] <snap-l> So if Sprint sucks in your area, it'll still suck
[19:45] <snap-l> but not as hard.
[19:46] <snap-l> Thing is, he barely uses the phone save for emergencies
[19:46] <snap-l> and he has a LG phone that's a piece of crap
[19:46] <snap-l> and I HATE HATE HATE Tracfone
[19:46] <snap-l> I want nothing more to do with them
[19:47] <snap-l> so I can combine his phone bill (aka 3 month expiration bullshit from Trafone) into my Ting phone bill
[19:47] <snap-l> he uses the same minutes, same text messaging, data, etc.
[19:48] <jjesse> did you have to break a contract or did you just wait until your contract was up?
[19:48] <jjesse> because that's my issue right now
[19:48] <snap-l> I didn't have a contract (was using tracfone prior)
[19:48] <jjesse> i'm locked in until december of 2013
[19:48] <jjesse> i think
[19:48] <snap-l> They had a sweepstakes for paying contract breaking fees.
[19:48] <snap-l> but that's past
[19:49] <snap-l> Are you already with Sprint?
[19:49] <jjesse> nope vzw
[19:53] <snap-l> You might want to check to see how much the termination gfee might ve.
[19:53] <snap-l> be, even
[20:26] <snap-l> I'v egot someone coming out Friday.
[20:26] <snap-l> Hopefully it won't be another dance of the "well, you have great signal strength"
[20:27] <snap-l> Yeah, I have great signal strength, except when I don't.
[20:30] <derekv> You have the signal strength of ten men!
[20:31] <devinheitmueller> Signal strength and signal quality are two entirely different metrics.
[20:32] <derekv> SNR
[20:32] <devinheitmueller> Indeed.
[20:32] <snap-l> WEll, their bullshit strength is at max capacity
[20:34] <snap-l> Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out
[20:34] <derekv> You may want to upgrade : http://www.atarimagazines.com/compute/issue156/S2_How_to_upgrade_your_.php
[20:34] <devinheitmueller> Wow, I remember Compute!
[20:34] <snap-l> I <3 computer
[20:34] <snap-l> Compute, even. :)
[20:37] <derekv> You know its not an actual disadvantage, but for some reason it griefs me that I can't just have a function in Java, its got to go in a class.
[20:38] <derekv> DoSomething.doItNow()
[20:39] <derekv> I feel like if I'm creating a Class, its because I have some objects I want to create, and if I want to create objects, its so I can store some state.
[20:39] <derekv> Math.addTwoNumbers(a,b) is retarded
[20:42] <derekv> Actions.kick();  Actions.stab();
[20:44] <derekv> maybe there's something wrong with the way I'm thinking.
[20:48] <snap-l> No, it's just that Java is idiotic about how it handles objects
[20:58] <snap-l> What the hell is with pep8 and this bullshit under/over indenting for visual indent
[20:58] <derekv> AbstractMockDelegateFascadeFactoryFactory.createAbstractMockDelegateFascadeFactory().createDefaultMockDelegateFacade().toString().
[20:59] <_stink_> now cast it to String :P
[21:00] <snap-l> Makes me positively pine for hungarian notation
[21:09] <snap-l> Fuck
[21:19] <rick_h_71> snap-l what has pep8 got you annoyed over now?
[21:19] <snap-l> main.py|253 col 13| E127 continuation line over-indented for visual indent
[21:19] <snap-l> I have hundreds of these fucking things
[21:20] <snap-l> over-indented, under-indented
[21:20] <snap-l> frankly, I don't give a flying fuck what pep8 thinks of that indenting, it's what vim defaults to
[21:20] <rick_h_71> so...sounds like some dupe code to refactor into a few indented properly?
[21:21] <rick_h_71> lol
[21:21] <snap-l> Oh fuck me
[21:21] <snap-l> I'm doing the indenting to get around pep8's idiotic 80 colum limit
[21:22] <snap-l> tired of danicing for PEP8s amusement
[21:22] <rick_h_71> dude seriously, once you get over that hurdle it all better.
[21:22] <snap-l> WHAT HURDLE?
[21:23] <snap-l> Why is it even bitching about second-line indents in the first place?
[21:23] <snap-l> THis is what VIM indents to
[21:23] <snap-l> I'm not going to fight vim just to please pep8's idiotic indenting
[21:32] <snap-l> There's no pleasing this piece of shit
[21:34] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/KlRYQUY0aBZt7Q5uNcfB/
[21:34] <snap-l> OK, how am I supposed to make this pep8-worthy
[21:35] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/738/ or this
[21:37] <brousch> Darn django staticfiles had me scratching my head again
[21:41] <rick_h_71> snapl just indent 4?
[21:42] <rick_h_71> https://github.com/mitechie/breadability/blob/master/src/breadability/client.py
[21:43] <rick_h_71> snap-l ^
[22:25] <jrwren> snap-l: write a pep8ifier
[22:26] <jrwren> i mean really, if a tool an complain about hte whitespace, it can FIX the fucking whitespace already!!!!!
[22:38] <derekv> its weds already
[23:26] <rick_h_droid> ugh crazy lady is in the room.
[23:26]  * rick_h_droid crosses fingers she bails
[23:27] <derekv> ?
[23:32] <rick_h_droid> oh heh...we had a crazy lady episode with the room before
[23:34] <derekv> Tell her that everyone in the weekly Voodoo Curses Club really hates it if things get delayed.
[23:35] <derekv> Todays meeting is important because we'll be selecting new "study subjects"
[23:36] <rick_h_droid> lol
[23:36] <rick_h_droid> I'll give it a try
[23:42] <rick_h_droid> Ok updated keyboard so sweet
[23:43] <rick_h_droid> and split ftw bwuhahahaha
[23:43] <snap-l> Ugh, split keyboard too?
[23:43] <rick_h_droid> in landscape mode
[23:44] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[23:44] <snap-l> THat makes a little more sense.