| Sm0keydaBear | Hey guys, loving trying UbuntuStudio for the first time, but for some reason my softwares didn't install with, and I have a normal Ubuntu desktop. Any help? | 00:42 |
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| len-dt | Not sure what you mean Sm0keydaBear | 00:48 |
| len-dt | what did you install (ubuntustudio 12.04?) what software are you missing? | 00:48 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I downloaded the UbuntuStudio ISO from the website and burned it onto a DVD and installed from DVD. | 00:54 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Also continuuing to get this issue as well, "Warning: No support for locale: en_US.utf8" | 00:54 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Previously I had installed everything seperate and tried to get them to work within Ubuntu, but could not so I formatted and reinstalled from the DVD | 00:56 |
| len-dt | Hmm, are you using the i386 or amd64 ISO? | 01:04 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Amd64 iso | 01:05 |
| len-dt | I have no experience there. Both my machines are i386. Also, my english is Canadian which may make a difference | 01:06 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Well it's alright, I'm just trying to get my Ubuntu to look like the Ubuntu Studios' with the programs installed | 01:07 |
| Sm0keydaBear | However, when I try to install Ubuntu Studio, it just gives me the regular Ubuntu 12.04. Wondering what else I need to do to install UbuntuStudio | 01:07 |
| len-dt | What is the name of the iso you downloaded? | 01:07 |
| Sm0keydaBear | One sec | 01:07 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ubuntu-Studio 12.04 amd64 | 01:08 |
| len-dt | ubuntustudio-12.04-dvd-amd64.iso? | 01:09 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Yes | 01:10 |
| len-dt | It should not look like ubuntu at all. | 01:10 |
| len-dt | It should come up with xfce as a desktop | 01:10 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Yah I don't know where I went wrong. I installed from CD, said install Ubuntu Studio and then I dual-booted into Ubuntu, no UbuntuStudio | 01:11 |
| len-dt | Try booting to the live session as that is what you should get when you install | 01:11 |
| Sm0keydaBear | What do you mean by live session? | 01:11 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Try before you install? | 01:12 |
| len-dt | Ya. | 01:12 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ok, then can I install from there? | 01:12 |
| len-dt | Yes. | 01:12 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Alright, I think that should fix it. I just wanted confirmation that there was an issue with ME and not the installer lol | 01:12 |
| len-dt | That is what worked best for me. | 01:12 |
| len-dt | But I know some of the guys with amd64 worked too. | 01:13 |
| len-dt | Gotta run for a bit. | 01:13 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ok much appreciated for the help. I will go try that now | 01:14 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Hopefully won't have to be back here ;) | 01:14 |
| Effulgence | hi guys, I have a sound problem, anyone up for helping me out? | 01:19 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Hey I'm back. Issue with installing Grub, I don't know where to set the path. | 04:43 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I'm formatting one of my harddrives as we speak, and am wondering if there is any way I can install Ubuntu with Wubi.exe and then install UbuntuStudio, as I think that would be easiest for me., | 04:46 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: You can always install Ubuntu Studio packages separately, but you'll need to set up realtime privilege for the user in that case | 04:56 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: Here's about that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation#Real-Time_Support | 04:57 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: If you install Ubuntu to hard drive, not using Wubi.exe, you'll need to install GRUB, or use a live medium to boot GRU(which a bit of work) | 04:58 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: You can install it to any HD. Just make sure to boot from the correct HD, when booting the computer | 04:59 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Right, that's what I'm having issues with. I've been using the CD to boot from and use the Try before installing function. | 05:00 |
| Sm0keydaBear | When I go to install, I'm having trouble finding what hard-drive to load the Grub installer to, as it won't let me install it to any of my boot drives, nor any other drives | 05:00 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: Yes, that's probably an issue with the live CD | 05:01 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: You'd need to use an alternate regular Ubuntu installer for that | 05:01 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Yes, I've downloaded the latest from the website and was inquiring about that earlier | 05:01 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: These are the alternate CD's | 05:02 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ok so would it be easier to use the install UbuntuStudio function instead? | 05:02 |
| ailo | http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/alternative-downloads | 05:02 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ok I know I can install Ubuntu alone, but I don't know how to install UbuntuStudio after having already installed Ubuntu. Is there any documentation about that? | 05:03 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: You just install the ubuntustudio-* packages you like | 05:04 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: Also, if you want realtime privilege, you'll need to set that up separatelyu | 05:04 |
| ailo | As mentioned above | 05:04 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Right, where can I find what the packages are? | 05:04 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: Just do: apt-cache search ubuntustudio | 05:04 |
| ailo | In the terminal | 05:05 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I really want to do a full install of UbuntuStudio from the CD, but I'm not entirely sure why I can't install grub | 05:05 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: It does install Grub, but you can't decide where | 05:05 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Right, so basically I can't specify where to install/load the "Try before installing" option | 05:06 |
| ailo | Try before installing is just loading the OS from CD. Nothing to do with installing | 05:06 |
| ailo | It doesn't install it anywhere. Just loads the entire OS to RAM, so you can try it out | 05:07 |
| ailo | That's why it's a bit slow | 05:07 |
| ailo | To load, I mean | 05:07 |
| ailo | Since you load from CD, not HD | 05:07 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Alright, because I think what happened when I had tried that was it would not let me install UbuntuStudio, when I booted into the option from bios, it gave me a regular Ubuntu | 05:07 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: You can't install regular Ubuntu from the Ubuntustudio cd | 05:08 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I mean, I extracted the .ISO image and used Wubi.exe | 05:08 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Was my other option | 05:08 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Which installed just the regular version of Ubuntu, from the UbuntuStudio CD | 05:08 |
| ailo | That can't happen | 05:09 |
| Sm0keydaBear | That's what I said | 05:09 |
| ailo | Cause there's no regular UBuntu on the Ubuntu Studio CD | 05:09 |
| ailo | No Unity, etc | 05:09 |
| ailo | Of course, a lot of things are the same, under the hood, so to speak | 05:09 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Yes, I don't understand how it worked, I installed it using Wubi.exe and I could boot into it just fine, but no applications for Xbfe or what it's called was installed | 05:09 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Applications were apparently already loaded but would not show up in the applications | 05:10 |
| ailo | I have no idea. I don't have Windows, and never tried using that Wubi thing | 05:10 |
| Sm0keydaBear | lol, yah it gave me a normal copy of Ubuntu actually | 05:10 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: So, would you have any issues with installing GRUB to the HD? | 05:11 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I guess what I'm asking is, is there any way to specify what drive to install UbuntuStudio from,? | 05:11 |
| ailo | The same HD where Windows is, that is | 05:11 |
| ailo | You mean, to? | 05:11 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Yes, my Windows partition is not very large, with around 15gb of space left | 05:11 |
| Sm0keydaBear | And I want to install UbuntuStudio to my other hard-drive which is D: with 400gb | 05:12 |
| ailo | You can decide which partition to install it to, but I seem to remember you can't set where Grub is installed, when using the live CD | 05:12 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Right, I don't know whether or not I can even install UbuntuStudio because I don't know how to get my computer to recognize my USB flash drive | 05:12 |
| Sm0keydaBear | And when trying to set the path of GRUB, it will not let me set it to anything | 05:13 |
| ailo | By default GRUB is installed onto the first HD | 05:14 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ok, this is what I did earlier prior to trying to force-install UbuntuStudio... | 05:14 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I had installed Ubuntu, and tried to run in the terminal "sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop" | 05:14 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I did that, rebooted, and nothing had changed at all | 05:14 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: You need to choose which desktop to use, when in the login screen | 05:15 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: You can install all of them, if you want. Unity, XFCE, gnome-shell, KDE, etc | 05:15 |
| ailo | I don't recommend that, of course | 05:15 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ok, I didn't look around on the login screen because I was too fixated on trying to get it to work lol | 05:15 |
| ailo | And, if you do use the Ubuntu alternate installer, you can choose not to install the Ubuntu Desktop, just the ubuntustudio one | 05:15 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I decided to uninstall because of trying to get JACK to work | 05:16 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: The jack problem is not very hard to fix | 05:16 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Well I mean, it was quite complex to figure out in my eyes | 05:16 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: You need to make yourself member of audio group | 05:16 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I spent literally half of my day trying to get sound from a couple of synths | 05:16 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I did that via the command, and was getting sound, but not out of any of the instruments | 05:17 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: That kind of problems won't go away with Ubuntu Studio though | 05:17 |
| ailo | I'm just talking about realtime privilege | 05:17 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Right, but at least the needed software would be installed instead of me using a whole day to install the software | 05:17 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: If you install ubuntustudio-audio, you get all audio programs that ubuntustudio has by default | 05:18 |
| Sm0keydaBear | So now I'm stuck trying to figure out how to install UbuntuStudio, basically | 05:18 |
| ailo | On top of that (which is of course not easy to know), you only need to make sure /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf is not named /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf.disabled and make sure the user is in audio group | 05:19 |
| Sm0keydaBear | As I don't have much space on my C: drive, I'm trying to figure a way to specify the UbuntuStudio install | 05:19 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: You need to partition manually, when installing. That's all | 05:19 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: Just that you can't decide where Grub is installed, if that matters. As I said, it will be installed onto the main HD by default | 05:19 |
| Sm0keydaBear | By partitioning manually, what do you mean? | 05:20 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: During install | 05:20 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: There comes a stage when you choose where to install it. Either erase everything else, or keep everything else, or decide manually | 05:20 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Right, that's what I meant earlier by trying to specify where GRUB goes | 05:21 |
| Sm0keydaBear | It just would NOT let me install it | 05:21 |
| ailo | You'll need a Swap partition that is roughly twice the size of your RAM, and one ext4 partition where to put your / | 05:21 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ok, I did that but I'm not quite sure, can I set the partition that says Linux to be where to install grub? | 05:22 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: I believe I told you this a few times already. If you want to decide where to install GRUB, use the Ubuntu alternate CD. Otherwise, be assured, GRUB will be installed onto the main HD | 05:23 |
| ailo | Grub is just a tiny program, that boots OS's | 05:23 |
| Sm0keydaBear | But it won't even let me install onto the MAIN hd | 05:24 |
| ailo | Using Wubi, you mean? | 05:24 |
| ailo | Which I don't know anything about | 05:24 |
| Sm0keydaBear | No, using UbuntuStudio CD | 05:24 |
| ailo | I don't think you have installed using the Ubuntustudio CD | 05:24 |
| ailo | You were using the "try before installing", were you not? | 05:24 |
| Sm0keydaBear | No, because I cant | 05:24 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I was using all 5-10 methods in fact | 05:25 |
| Sm0keydaBear | When I say I used my whole day, I'm not joking | 05:25 |
| ailo | It's not hard. You put the CD in. Select install. And go through the procedure. | 05:25 |
| Sm0keydaBear | And then it won't install UbuntuStudio | 05:25 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I believe I said this already | 05:25 |
| Sm0keydaBear | It gives me a STANDARD copy of Ubuntu | 05:25 |
| ailo | You were using Wubi, you said | 05:26 |
| ailo | That is not the same thing | 05:26 |
| ailo | I can't waste any more time with this | 05:26 |
| Sm0keydaBear | No, I said I've tried Wubi, I tried the Install from CD, I've tried installing AFTER using the Try before installing | 05:26 |
| ailo | Just put the CD in, install. And if you want to keep Windows, make sure not to install over that partition | 05:26 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I've tried the installing packages from INSIDE Ubuntu with no luck | 05:26 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Oh and not to mention | 05:27 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I tried installing with the first option to keep all of my data, and it just gives me the standard Ubuntu | 05:27 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I mean literally what I say | 05:27 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I'm not at all too stupid to read instructions | 05:28 |
| ailo | Which is impossible, if you were installing from the UBuntu Studio CD. | 05:28 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I appreciate you trying to help but, I'm not sure what is going on MYSELF | 05:28 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Well that's EXACTLY what I'm saying | 05:28 |
| Sm0keydaBear | If something is well under the possibility of being impossible, then why can't I do it | 05:28 |
| ailo | So, you weren't installing from the Ubuntu Studio CD. That is what I am saying | 05:28 |
| Sm0keydaBear | No, I told you already | 05:29 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I DID use the CD to install it | 05:29 |
| ailo | No you didn't | 05:29 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Anyways | 05:29 |
| ailo | Or you would not have installed UBuntu | 05:29 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I guess this is no help | 05:29 |
| ailo | It's like you tell me that you tried to install Ubuntu but ended up with OSX | 05:29 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I'm serious, I've tried all the methods that I spoke of before | 05:29 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Only to have a standard copy of Ubuntu at the end of it all | 05:30 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Or no boot because GRUB didn't install | 05:30 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Forcing me back into Windows | 05:30 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I mean, I can try to do it again but I'm afraid I'm just going to end up back here anyways | 05:32 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: If you want to learn more about installing in different ways, before messing up your HD, try using something like Virtualbox | 05:32 |
| Sm0keydaBear | lol I'm certain I will not mess up my harddrives | 05:32 |
| Sm0keydaBear | But seriously, I have no clue what is going on, I downloaded the ISO from the website, burned it to DVD, went to install it and nothing goes right | 05:33 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Which is why I'm here in the first place | 05:33 |
| Sm0keydaBear | All I need essentially is a workaround for GRUB to install, but I can't find a solution to that | 05:34 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: Listen. GRUB always installs, when using the live CD. If you use Ubuntu Studio live CD, you can only install Ubuntu Studio. Whatever problems you have above that are imaginary | 05:35 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Well I'm not imagining staying up for so long that I forgot to sleep | 05:35 |
| ailo | Wubi I have no clue about | 05:35 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I'm telling you | 05:36 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I did NOT just use Wubi | 05:36 |
| ailo | And what did you do during partitioning? | 05:36 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Wubi I went to first, because it was simple to install from Windows, but then I had realized that I was not actually using UbuntuStudio | 05:36 |
| ailo | At which stage did the install fail? | 05:36 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Another question I asked first | 05:36 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I could not identify my hard disk to install to | 05:37 |
| ailo | During partitioning, you mean? | 05:37 |
| Sm0keydaBear | The install didn't fail for Wubi, the install didn't fail for installing UbuntuStudio, the install failed when trying to install grub | 05:37 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: Explain which stage that is at | 05:38 |
| Sm0keydaBear | The very last before rebooting to make changes | 05:38 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: So, what did you do during partitioning? | 05:38 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Tried almost every partition to see if Grub would install | 05:38 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Which it would not, actually | 05:39 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: So, no GRUB on that computer, at all | 05:40 |
| Sm0keydaBear | No, not at all, it would not install | 05:40 |
| Sm0keydaBear | So no UbuntuStudio, basically | 05:40 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I'm just not sure how to fix it | 05:40 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I mean you already know without Grub, there's basically no way of running Ubuntu | 05:41 |
| Sm0keydaBear | So I just have no clue as to why it will not install | 05:41 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Pretty much tells me every time that it's the wrong path | 05:41 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: If you can't install GRUB onto the HD, it should be the same no matter which installer you use | 05:42 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Right, but Wubi works | 05:42 |
| Sm0keydaBear | So I mean, I could just install Ubuntu, but that would mean manually loading packages, something I'm not willing to spend another 24 hours doing | 05:42 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: Wubi is different. It boots from Windows bootloader, right? | 05:42 |
| Sm0keydaBear | No, Wubi installs directly from Windows | 05:42 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: I just told. If you want to install ubuntustudio packages, just install ubuntustudio-audio, and you're done | 05:43 |
| Sm0keydaBear | And even creates its own partition | 05:43 |
| ailo | I mean, the audio packages | 05:43 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Well, I want the GUI as well | 05:43 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: The GRUB problem is in no way a Ubuntu Studio specific problem | 05:43 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Right, but I cannot find any solution at all, so I thought I'd ask | 05:43 |
| ailo | I've never heard of it, but could be you could find some help in general Ubuntu forums | 05:43 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I mean, if you can't help, you can't help | 05:44 |
| Sm0keydaBear | But really, I mean this is killing me why I'm not able to install this | 05:44 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Everything should load perfectly from the CD, but it doesn't | 05:44 |
| Sm0keydaBear | So I mean, I'm just not sure what exactly I'm supposed to do here | 05:44 |
| len-dt | as someone who has loaded it almost daily for over 6 months... It is killing me too. | 05:45 |
| len-dt | I have been able to select which drive to install grub to. | 05:45 |
| len-dt | In two ways | 05:45 |
| Sm0keydaBear | But will it let you boot from the boot selection menu from bios? | 05:46 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I mean, that's pretty much the ONLY problem I'm having, is not getting it to be in the boot selection menu | 05:46 |
| len-dt | the manual partition screen allows the device to be chosen. The bios in my case lets me choose which hard drive to boot from. | 05:47 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I get that, but I chose like EVERY drive in the list, and still could not finish installing GRUB | 05:47 |
| len-dt | So you are saying there is a boot selection menu in bios? | 05:47 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I suppose when I am able to install GRUB, there will be | 05:47 |
| len-dt | Ok, so there is not then. | 05:48 |
| Sm0keydaBear | No, not as of right now, I cannot install GRUB | 05:48 |
| len-dt | the boot selection would come from grub | 05:48 |
| len-dt | grub is not bios. | 05:48 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I will BRB, I think my HDD will be done formatting then, and I will come back and let you know what's going on | 05:48 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I will try installing straight off of the CD | 05:49 |
| len-dt | OK | 05:49 |
| ailo | That guy is lucky if he's able to separate between his left and right hand. But, not easy when not all that in speed with installing OS's | 06:21 |
| len-dt | :) so much easier to just be there | 06:22 |
| ailo | That much is clear. "It doesn't install" doesn't give you many clues | 06:22 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Found out what was wrong. Basically it was just the way that it named all of my partitions with the weird numbers | 07:06 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I had the right drive selected, but the wrong partition | 07:07 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Installing updates then I finally get to check out what I can do. I might need help setting up JACK tho | 07:07 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Oh, one question, the preinstalled version of Ardour is basically fully functional, correct? | 07:09 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Yes I am back again to annoy you... | 08:05 |
| Sm0keydaBear | But this time, I'm having issues with my S/PDIF connection. I'm not entirely sure it's my S/PDIF, but I cannot figure this problem out. | 08:06 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I can record and have sound go INTO Ardour, but I cannot reroute the sound back to play out of my computers speakers, presumebly because of me using S/PDIF on my reciever. | 08:06 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Am I missing something? I've got my connections in JACK so that Ardour L/R is connected to systems' playback 1 and playback 2 | 08:07 |
| Sm0keydaBear | But I get no sound, can anyone tell me what I'm missing? | 08:07 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: Your speakers are connected to the spdif outlet on your audio device? | 08:09 |
| ailo | What device is it? | 08:10 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ummm, what do you mean device | 08:10 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: What kind of audio device? | 08:10 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ok this is what I got, my computer has onboard sound and the S/PDIF is from the back out of my computer, into my reciever | 08:10 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: And, did you try desktop sound, when not using jack. Does that work? | 08:10 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Yes, I can create noise or whatever in Audacity, and it does work with sound coming out | 08:11 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: How many outputs does jack show for your audio device? | 08:11 |
| Sm0keydaBear | JACK shows 8 I think | 08:11 |
| Sm0keydaBear | If you mean Playback devices, it shows 8 | 08:11 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: Then you should connect to the other outputs, and see which one of them is spdif | 08:11 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ahh I just looked it up and was going to try them out | 08:11 |
| ailo | The first 2 aught to be your analoge stereo outs | 08:11 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Yah I think they are | 08:11 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Just to confirm, I need to be connecting Master/out 1 and 2 into whichever playback device my S/PDIF is? | 08:13 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Well that's weird, I just tried all connecting my master/out 1 and 2 to all playbacks, but still get no sound out | 08:14 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Is there a way to find which playback my S/PDIF is? | 08:14 |
| mighty_aboba | Card? | 08:15 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Onboard | 08:15 |
| mighty_aboba | Model? | 08:15 |
| mighty_aboba | Does it have SPDIF out? | 08:16 |
| Sm0keydaBear | IEC958 | 08:16 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Yes, and it does work without JACK | 08:16 |
| mighty_aboba | Is it works with Pulse Audio? | 08:16 |
| Sm0keydaBear | HDA Intel: ALC889 | 08:16 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I don't know, how do I check that btw? | 08:17 |
| mighty_aboba | Do you have installed PulseAudio? | 08:17 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ok nevermind lol, I've been using PulseAudio | 08:17 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ok, I guess this is the issue, I'm not seeing my S/PDIF on my Output Devices list | 08:17 |
| mighty_aboba | I have two diff interfaces in qjackctl preferences | 08:18 |
| mighty_aboba | which is | 08:18 |
| mighty_aboba | hw:0 analog part of my onboard card | 08:19 |
| mighty_aboba | and hw:1 is didgital part(SPDIF) | 08:19 |
| mighty_aboba | check it, maybe you have it too | 08:19 |
| ailo | That's weird | 08:19 |
| ailo | But then you need to choose a different output, only | 08:20 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I just changed it to HW:0 | 08:20 |
| ailo | My digital out is HW:0,2 | 08:20 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Also have plughw:0 , /dev/audio and dev/dsp | 08:21 |
| Sm0keydaBear | oh wait | 08:21 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: If you select the correct audio device in "Interface", and then see under "Outputs".. | 08:21 |
| ailo | Sorry, "Output Device" | 08:21 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I didn't see the dropdown box on the right lol. hw:0,1 ALC889,1 digital | 08:21 |
| mighty_aboba | Does anybody knows where I can find some instructions about performance boosting? | 08:23 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Humm it's not working still | 08:23 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Pretty odd, I just can't get any sound out of JACK | 08:24 |
| mighty_aboba | try to kill PA | 08:25 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Also, the only output's showing up in PA is my video cards | 08:25 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ok, should I command line it? | 08:25 |
| mighty_aboba | pulseaudio --kill | 08:25 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ok did that but my S/PDIF still doesn't show up in PulseAudio :( | 08:26 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Lol, I lost my third tab actually in Configuration | 08:27 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Is there a reason why PulseAudio isn't letting my S/PDIF or even Analogs show up? Or maybe JACK is messing it up> | 08:28 |
| Sm0keydaBear | ? | 08:28 |
| mighty_aboba | Show up? where? | 08:28 |
| mighty_aboba | Maybe you must select the right interface | 08:30 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Inside of PulseAudio | 08:30 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I selected pretty much the default, HW 0 | 08:30 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Which DOES work in Audacity | 08:30 |
| mighty_aboba | PA? Does you kill PA? | 08:31 |
| mighty_aboba | If you kill it | 08:31 |
| mighty_aboba | the spdif or analog outs will not showed inside pa | 08:32 |
| mighty_aboba | try to alsamixer in console | 08:34 |
| mighty_aboba | maybe your outs are muted | 08:34 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ok one second | 08:39 |
| Sm0keydaBear | My S/PDIF and S/PDIF Default PCM are at 00, but are not muted | 08:40 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: Are you mixing up PA with jack? | 08:40 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I'm not sure how to do that | 08:41 |
| ailo | When you say pulseaudio settings, what do you mean? | 08:41 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ohhhh you mean like thinking they're the same thing | 08:41 |
| ailo | qjackctl controls jack, not PA | 08:41 |
| ailo | And PA does not control jack | 08:42 |
| Sm0keydaBear | No inside of JACK I have my Ardour connected to all of the outs | 08:42 |
| Sm0keydaBear | But inside PA, I do not have my standard outs showing up | 08:42 |
| Sm0keydaBear | It only shows my video card outs :( | 08:42 |
| ailo | You said before, you had it working with PA | 08:42 |
| Sm0keydaBear | And a Dummy Output now that I disabled my video cards | 08:42 |
| ailo | Which means, you had it selected for your output device | 08:42 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Yes one second, I will test sound with Audacity | 08:43 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Audacity IS working with HDA Intel: ALC889 hw 0,1 | 08:43 |
| ailo | mighty_aboba: What kind of performane boosting do you need? | 08:43 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Is there something in ALSA that I need to connect? | 08:44 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: There's no hw 0,1 in PA settings | 08:44 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: Where are you doing PA settings? | 08:44 |
| mighty_aboba | speed boosting | 08:44 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I only have a Dummy Output in PA, but sound works via Audacity | 08:44 |
| ailo | Go to the volume applet, and click the "mixer", or "settings" or whatever it's called | 08:44 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: That's the PA mixer/settings | 08:44 |
| ailo | mighty_aboba: You need lower latency? what? | 08:45 |
| mighty_aboba | i want to take from my laptop maximum | 08:45 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Right, in Qjackctrl, I have in Audio my Master out 1/2 from Ardour connected to all 8 Playbacks | 08:45 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: Qjackctl only controls jack | 08:45 |
| ailo | Not Pulseaudio | 08:45 |
| ailo | Just to make that clear | 08:45 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Right, I know, but Audacity works without PulseAudio I believe | 08:46 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Err, DOES work with Dummy Output only | 08:46 |
| Sm0keydaBear | And Ardour DOES have a signal coming out of the master channel | 08:46 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: Why not make life easy, and just use the analoge out? | 08:47 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I mean my reciever does not have an analog out | 08:47 |
| ailo | analog in, you mean | 08:47 |
| Sm0keydaBear | And it is what I primarily use, so I figure why not get the work done first and then get to work | 08:47 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Making music is kind of my job | 08:47 |
| Sm0keydaBear | First time user of Ubuntu btw | 08:48 |
| ailo | mighty_aboba: Are you not getting the performance you require? What is missing? | 08:48 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: It's a bit of a challenge, just jumping in | 08:48 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: My advice is, give it some time | 08:49 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Right I mean the only thing I'm really hanging on is getting this to work | 08:49 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: As mighty_aboba suggested, when using jack, try using alsamixer from the console to see the controls for your audio device | 08:49 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Yes I have it open | 08:49 |
| ailo | If you see spdif there, then it is active and available with jack | 08:50 |
| ailo | Or, should be | 08:50 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Yes, I have S/PDIF and S/PDIF Default PCM | 08:50 |
| ailo | PA also uses alsa drivers for its backend, but does things a bit differently | 08:50 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Both unmuted | 08:50 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: btw, when you start jack, no problems? It just starts and runs fine? | 08:51 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Everything is fine, no problems in the message window of JACK | 08:52 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I have my Audio Output and Inputs, but I need Playback 9 and 10 | 08:52 |
| Sm0keydaBear | I cannot access my S/PDIF because they have no number above them in Alsamixer | 08:53 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: You could ask on #jack, about digital outputs. I'm afraid I have very little experience with that, except I have managed to sync two devices using spdif | 08:53 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Ok I will ask there, thanks | 08:53 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Well, still searching for a way to get it to work lol | 09:01 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Guess I will mess with the output channels and whatnot | 09:02 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: There's also #opensourcemusicians | 09:02 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Cool, I'll check there as well | 09:03 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: Also, if you have audio coming out from the spdif, when using pulseaudio, that means you have selected the right device | 09:03 |
| ailo | You can't say it's not showing up, when evidentally you are using it | 09:04 |
| ailo | And it's selected | 09:04 |
| ailo | In Pulseaudio settings, that is. Which has absolutely nothing to do with jack, whatsever | 09:04 |
| ailo | Except both use alsa drivers, which most probably means it should work on jack, also | 09:05 |
| Sm0keydaBear | lol I did the pulseaudio --kill command and then the output disappeared | 09:06 |
| Sm0keydaBear | But I can still get sound output from Audacity, which is what's weird | 09:07 |
| Sm0keydaBear | It seems Audacity like other programs directly access the sound, but for some reason JACK is not interfacing with my S/PDIF | 09:07 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: You're probably using alsa with Audacity, which means, it's blocking PA when you use it | 09:07 |
| ailo | That would be visible in Audacity settings | 09:08 |
| ailo | And that has nothing to do with PA, alsa, or jack settings. That's just the settings for Audacity | 09:08 |
| Sm0keydaBear | lol, I guess a restart was all it needed | 09:57 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Now I have PulseAudio JACK Sink connected :) | 09:57 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Oh BTW, one more question before I get out of here, are there any more sound generators / synths that I can find? | 09:57 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: Yes, PA + jack, but that's not what makes the digital out work | 10:05 |
| ailo | So, the digital out works now? | 10:06 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Yes, PulseAudio recognizes my S/PDIF now after restart | 10:06 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: That has nothing to do with jack | 10:06 |
| ailo | When you run jack, PA stops using your device | 10:06 |
| ailo | When you set PA to use jack as sink, PA is nothing more than Software | 10:07 |
| ailo | No drivers in use | 10:07 |
| ailo | Jack is doing the driver part | 10:07 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Hmmm, I don't know anything about this yet | 10:07 |
| ailo | Pulseaudio is a desktop audio system, that normally uses alsa drivers | 10:07 |
| ailo | When jack is running, it is jack that is using the alsa drivers for that card, not PA | 10:08 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: While you were gone, I found a way to use the spdif only | 10:08 |
| ailo | But, I guess you won't need it | 10:08 |
| Sm0keydaBear | lol thanks anyways | 10:09 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Oh yah btw, did you know where I could find some instruments to use with JACK? | 10:10 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: make searches based on lv2 and dssi | 10:18 |
| ailo | Or is it just dssi? | 10:19 |
| ailo | Not a lot shows up, btw | 10:19 |
| ailo | Or just google.. | 10:20 |
| Sm0keydaBear | Cool stuff, looks like an immediate download | 10:23 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: You basically have three types of tech, that are linux specific. ladspa(fx), dssi(instruments) and lv2 (am I forgetting something?) | 10:31 |
| ailo | Also, there's a bit of vst support, but not much of that with Ubuntu Studio | 10:32 |
| ailo | And not for vst instruments, AFAIK | 10:32 |
| ailo | You'll need to add a PPA to get VST support to some software, like a KXStudio PPA | 10:32 |
| ailo | Sm0keydaBear: What kind of music are you making? You have anything we can listen to? | 10:35 |
| scriptwarlock | halo everyone | 13:07 |
| scriptwarlock | any ideas about this? "FATAL: Module raw1394 not found" after issuing this command modprobe raw1394 | 13:08 |
| ailo | scriptwarlock: raw1394 was replaced by a new stack some time ago | 13:10 |
| ailo | What are you trying to do? | 13:11 |
| ailo | And on which OS? | 13:11 |
| scriptwarlock | so how do i check if the 1394 is loading or working | 13:11 |
| scriptwarlock | os | 13:11 |
| scriptwarlock | oh ubuntu studio 12.04 | 13:11 |
| ailo | You're trying to start a firewire device, right? | 13:11 |
| ailo | If using jack, you only need to be member of audio group | 13:11 |
| scriptwarlock | yes but of course just checking if the module is loaded or present | 13:12 |
| ailo | Which you are | 13:12 |
| ailo | The 1394 module is replaced | 13:12 |
| ailo | So, not used | 13:12 |
| ailo | Hasn't been since 10.04, by default | 13:12 |
| scriptwarlock | replaced of what? | 13:12 |
| ailo | scriptwarlock: A new firewire stack has replaced it | 13:13 |
| ailo | scriptwarlock: What device are you trying to get started? | 13:13 |
| scriptwarlock | itommorow i'll be using the presonus studio live 24 miing console that has a firewire to record the audio | 13:13 |
| scriptwarlock | mixing* | 13:14 |
| ailo | scriptwarlock: Use ffado-diag to see what's going on | 13:14 |
| ailo | I mean, when using the device | 13:15 |
| scriptwarlock | the one in the mixer>ffad mixer? | 13:15 |
| ailo | If it's a device that is known to work, it should just work, out of the box | 13:15 |
| ailo | scriptwarlock: in the console. Install ffado-tools, and use the tool ffado-diag to see info about the device, etc | 13:15 |
| scriptwarlock | ah ok | 13:15 |
| ailo | scriptwarlock: You don't have access to the device now? | 13:16 |
| scriptwarlock | tommorow | 13:16 |
| scriptwarlock | you know presonus mixing consoles? | 13:16 |
| ailo | scriptwarlock: Haven't tried it. You can try out ffado-diag now, if you like. It will tell you: old 1394 stack present.... False | 13:17 |
| ailo | old 1394 stack loaded..... False | 13:17 |
| ailo | old 1394 stack active..... False | 13:17 |
| ailo | new 1394 stack present.... True | 13:17 |
| ailo | new 1394 stack loaded..... True | 13:17 |
| ailo | new 1394 stack active..... True | 13:17 |
| ailo | /dev/raw1394 node present. False | 13:17 |
| scriptwarlock | aha | 13:18 |
| scriptwarlock | yeah we have the same result | 13:18 |
| scriptwarlock | that means i have a working firewire | 13:18 |
| ailo | scriptwarlock: Here's the file that allows users in audio group to use firewire devices: cat /lib/udev/rules.d/60-ffado.rules | 13:19 |
| ailo | So, no further configuration needed | 13:19 |
| scriptwarlock | oh my | 13:19 |
| ailo | If the device is known to work, you might need to fiddle with it, getting it to start. For me, I need to first start the device. Then connect the cable. Very weird | 13:20 |
| scriptwarlock | i have link the ffad0 to raw1394 | 13:20 |
| ailo | Perhaps for other devices, there's no fiddling at all. You just start jack, and you're done | 13:20 |
| ailo | scriptwarlock: As I said. No configs needed. You just start jack | 13:20 |
| scriptwarlock | awtz | 13:20 |
| scriptwarlock | darn gotta bring back what i have done | 13:21 |
| ailo | scriptwarlock: A fresh install would do the trick. It's all there, as is | 13:21 |
| scriptwarlock | yeah thanks very much | 13:21 |
| scriptwarlock | tomorrow will tell me everything after firing the mixing console | 13:22 |
| ailo | Good luck :). Always risky not testing beforehand | 13:22 |
| scriptwarlock | yep | 13:23 |
| scriptwarlock | some commands to unlink that ffado to raw1394? | 13:23 |
| ailo | Not really sure what you did | 13:24 |
| scriptwarlock | ln /dev/fw0 /dev/raw1394 | 13:24 |
| ailo | So, you created a link to /dev/fw0 in /dev/raw1394? | 13:25 |
| ailo | You could just delete the link | 13:26 |
| ailo | Don't think the link would do anything anyway tho | 13:26 |
| scriptwarlock | and changing the permission to some 666 or 775 | 13:27 |
| ailo | I'd just do a fresh install, to be sure. | 13:27 |
| scriptwarlock | thats fine anyway this is just a fresh install so no problem for me... so to wrap everything i need is just fire the jack and connect the device to my laptop/ | 13:28 |
| ailo | Just connect, and start jack | 13:29 |
| scriptwarlock | got it darn i messed the OS | 13:29 |
| scriptwarlock | if only we have a restore point that would be very convenient | 13:30 |
| ailo | There might be a way to make copies of the system, but you'd have to do it manually. Perhaps there are some tools for that | 13:31 |
| ailo | Not builtin into the OS, anyway | 13:31 |
| scriptwarlock | it could be rsync or remastersys | 13:32 |
| scriptwarlock | anyway thanks for the help very informative | 13:33 |
| scriptwarlock | is the audio production>mixers>ffado mixer is the same with ffado-daig? | 13:34 |
| ailo | ffado-mixer is for controlling the internal routing of the firewire device | 13:34 |
| scriptwarlock | ok | 13:34 |
| scriptwarlock | thanks be right back some time gonna reinstall ustudio | 13:35 |
| Danne575 | why cant i config my asus d2pm audiocard,it is not compatibelt whith ubuntustudio probely | 17:08 |
| ailo | Daviey: What seems to be your problem? | 17:17 |
| Daviey | ailo: Where do i begin? | 17:17 |
| ailo | Daviey: Sorry :) | 17:18 |
| ailo | That guy Danne seems to have disappeared quickly | 17:18 |
| janolap1 | Hi there, I have a problem using a dv camcorder with kino 1.3.4 : I have bought a old samsung vp-d376 to use it as a dv player and to avoid using my so old sony dcr pc 110. When I try to acquire the dv tape through kino, the image freezes after a few seconds and the capture stops. But the camcorder is still playing. | 18:35 |
| janolap1 | So I can capture a few sequences but not all | 18:36 |
| janolap1 | Where can I go to see if there is a error ? | 18:37 |
| janolap1 | Ooops rebooting... | 18:38 |
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