[00:42] <Sm0keydaBear> Hey guys, loving trying UbuntuStudio for the first time, but for some reason my softwares didn't install with, and I have a normal Ubuntu desktop. Any help?
[00:48] <len-dt> Not sure what you mean Sm0keydaBear
[00:48] <len-dt> what did you install (ubuntustudio 12.04?) what software are you missing?
[00:54] <Sm0keydaBear> I downloaded the UbuntuStudio ISO from the website and burned it onto a DVD and installed from DVD.
[00:54] <Sm0keydaBear> Also continuuing to get this issue as well, "Warning: No support for locale: en_US.utf8"
[00:56] <Sm0keydaBear> Previously I had installed everything seperate and tried to get them to work within Ubuntu, but could not so I formatted and reinstalled from the DVD
[01:04] <len-dt> Hmm, are you using the i386 or amd64 ISO?
[01:05] <Sm0keydaBear> Amd64 iso
[01:06] <len-dt> I have no experience there. Both my machines are i386. Also, my english is Canadian which may make a difference
[01:07] <Sm0keydaBear> Well it's alright, I'm just trying to get my Ubuntu to look like the Ubuntu Studios' with the programs installed
[01:07] <Sm0keydaBear> However, when I try to install Ubuntu Studio, it just gives me the regular Ubuntu 12.04. Wondering what else I need to do to install UbuntuStudio
[01:07] <len-dt> What is the name of the iso you downloaded?
[01:07] <Sm0keydaBear> One sec
[01:08] <Sm0keydaBear> Ubuntu-Studio 12.04 amd64
[01:09] <len-dt> ubuntustudio-12.04-dvd-amd64.iso?
[01:10] <Sm0keydaBear> Yes
[01:10] <len-dt> It should not look like ubuntu at all.
[01:10] <len-dt> It should come up with xfce as a desktop
[01:11] <Sm0keydaBear> Yah I don't know where I went wrong. I installed from CD, said install Ubuntu Studio and then I dual-booted into Ubuntu, no UbuntuStudio
[01:11] <len-dt> Try booting to the live session as that is what you should get when you install
[01:11] <Sm0keydaBear> What do you mean by live session?
[01:12] <Sm0keydaBear> Try before you install?
[01:12] <len-dt> Ya.
[01:12] <Sm0keydaBear> Ok, then can I install from there?
[01:12] <len-dt> Yes.
[01:12] <Sm0keydaBear> Alright, I think that should fix it. I just wanted confirmation that there was an issue with ME and not the installer lol
[01:12] <len-dt> That is what worked best for me.
[01:13] <len-dt> But I know some of the guys with amd64 worked too.
[01:13] <len-dt> Gotta run for a bit.
[01:14] <Sm0keydaBear> Ok much appreciated for the help. I will go try that now
[01:14] <Sm0keydaBear> Hopefully won't have to be back here ;)
[01:19] <Effulgence> hi guys, I have a sound problem, anyone up for helping me out?
[04:43] <Sm0keydaBear> Hey I'm back. Issue with installing Grub, I don't know where to set the path.
[04:46] <Sm0keydaBear> I'm formatting one of my harddrives as we speak, and am wondering if there is any way I can install Ubuntu with Wubi.exe and then install UbuntuStudio, as I think that would be easiest for me.,
[04:56] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: You can always install Ubuntu Studio packages separately, but you'll need to set up realtime privilege for the user in that case
[04:57] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: Here's about that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation#Real-Time_Support
[04:58] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: If you install Ubuntu to hard drive, not using Wubi.exe, you'll need to install GRUB, or use a live medium to boot GRU(which a bit of work)
[04:59] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: You can install it to any HD. Just make sure to boot from the correct HD, when booting the computer
[05:00] <Sm0keydaBear> Right, that's what I'm having issues with. I've been using the CD to boot from and use the Try before installing function.
[05:00] <Sm0keydaBear> When I go to install, I'm having trouble finding what hard-drive to load the Grub installer to, as it won't let me install it to any of my boot drives, nor any other drives
[05:01] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: Yes, that's probably an issue with the live CD
[05:01] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: You'd need to use an alternate regular Ubuntu installer for that
[05:01] <Sm0keydaBear> Yes, I've downloaded the latest from the website and was inquiring about that earlier
[05:02] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: These are the alternate CD's
[05:02] <Sm0keydaBear> Ok so would it be easier to use the install UbuntuStudio function instead?
[05:02] <ailo> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/alternative-downloads
[05:03] <Sm0keydaBear> Ok I know I can install Ubuntu alone, but I don't know how to install UbuntuStudio after having already installed Ubuntu. Is there any documentation about that?
[05:04] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: You just install the ubuntustudio-* packages you like
[05:04] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: Also, if you want realtime privilege, you'll need to set that up separatelyu
[05:04] <ailo> As mentioned above
[05:04] <Sm0keydaBear> Right, where can I find what the packages are?
[05:04] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: Just do: apt-cache search ubuntustudio
[05:05] <ailo> In the terminal
[05:05] <Sm0keydaBear> I really want to do a full install of UbuntuStudio from the CD, but I'm not entirely sure why I can't install grub
[05:05] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: It does install Grub, but you can't decide where
[05:06] <Sm0keydaBear> Right, so basically I can't specify where to install/load the "Try before installing" option
[05:06] <ailo> Try before installing is just loading the OS from CD. Nothing to do with installing
[05:07] <ailo> It doesn't install it anywhere. Just loads the entire OS to RAM, so you can try it out
[05:07] <ailo> That's why it's a bit slow
[05:07] <ailo> To load, I mean
[05:07] <ailo> Since you load from CD, not HD
[05:07] <Sm0keydaBear> Alright, because I think what happened when I had tried that was it would not let me install UbuntuStudio, when I booted into the option from bios, it gave me a regular Ubuntu
[05:08] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: You can't install regular Ubuntu from the Ubuntustudio cd
[05:08] <Sm0keydaBear> I mean, I extracted the .ISO image and used Wubi.exe
[05:08] <Sm0keydaBear> Was my other option
[05:08] <Sm0keydaBear> Which installed just the regular version of Ubuntu, from the UbuntuStudio CD
[05:09] <ailo> That can't happen
[05:09] <Sm0keydaBear> That's what I said
[05:09] <ailo> Cause there's no regular UBuntu on the Ubuntu Studio CD
[05:09] <ailo> No Unity, etc
[05:09] <ailo> Of course, a lot of things are the same, under the hood, so to speak
[05:09] <Sm0keydaBear> Yes, I don't understand how it worked, I installed it using Wubi.exe and I could boot into it just fine, but no applications for Xbfe or what it's called was installed
[05:10] <Sm0keydaBear> Applications were apparently already loaded but would not show up in the applications
[05:10] <ailo> I have no idea. I don't have Windows, and never tried using that Wubi thing
[05:10] <Sm0keydaBear> lol, yah it gave me a normal copy of Ubuntu actually
[05:11] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: So, would you have any issues with installing GRUB to the HD?
[05:11] <Sm0keydaBear> I guess what I'm asking is, is there any way to specify what drive to install UbuntuStudio from,?
[05:11] <ailo> The same HD where Windows is, that is
[05:11] <ailo> You mean, to?
[05:11] <Sm0keydaBear> Yes, my Windows partition is not very large, with around 15gb of space left
[05:12] <Sm0keydaBear> And I want to install UbuntuStudio to my other hard-drive which is D: with 400gb
[05:12] <ailo> You can decide which partition to install it to, but I seem to remember you can't set where Grub is installed, when using the live CD
[05:12] <Sm0keydaBear> Right, I don't know whether or not I can even install UbuntuStudio because I don't know how to get my computer to recognize my USB flash drive
[05:13] <Sm0keydaBear> And when trying to set the path of GRUB, it will not let me set it to anything
[05:14] <ailo> By default GRUB is installed onto the first HD
[05:14] <Sm0keydaBear> Ok, this is what I did earlier prior to trying to force-install UbuntuStudio...
[05:14] <Sm0keydaBear> I had installed Ubuntu, and tried to run in the terminal "sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop"
[05:14] <Sm0keydaBear> I did that, rebooted, and nothing had changed at all
[05:15] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: You need to choose which desktop to use, when in the login screen
[05:15] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: You can install all of them, if you want. Unity, XFCE, gnome-shell, KDE, etc
[05:15] <ailo> I don't recommend that, of course
[05:15] <Sm0keydaBear> Ok, I didn't look around on the login screen because I was too fixated on trying to get it to work lol
[05:15] <ailo> And, if you do use the Ubuntu alternate installer, you can choose not to install the Ubuntu Desktop, just the ubuntustudio one
[05:16] <Sm0keydaBear> I decided to uninstall because of trying to get JACK to work
[05:16] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: The jack problem is not very hard to fix
[05:16] <Sm0keydaBear> Well I mean, it was quite complex to figure out in my eyes
[05:16] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: You need to make yourself member of audio group
[05:16] <Sm0keydaBear> I spent literally half of my day trying to get sound from a couple of synths
[05:17] <Sm0keydaBear> I did that via the command, and was getting sound, but not out of any of the instruments
[05:17] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: That kind of problems won't go away with Ubuntu Studio though
[05:17] <ailo> I'm just talking about realtime privilege
[05:17] <Sm0keydaBear> Right, but at least the needed software would be installed instead of me using a whole day to install the software
[05:18] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: If you install ubuntustudio-audio, you get all audio programs that ubuntustudio has by default
[05:18] <Sm0keydaBear> So now I'm stuck trying to figure out how to install UbuntuStudio, basically
[05:19] <ailo> On top of that (which is of course not easy to know), you only need to make sure /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf is not named /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf.disabled and make sure the user is in audio group
[05:19] <Sm0keydaBear> As I don't have much space on my C: drive, I'm trying to figure a way to specify the UbuntuStudio install
[05:19] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: You need to partition manually, when installing. That's all
[05:19] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: Just that you can't decide where Grub is installed, if that matters. As I said, it will be installed onto the main HD by default
[05:20] <Sm0keydaBear> By partitioning manually, what do you mean?
[05:20] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: During install
[05:20] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: There comes a stage when you choose where to install it. Either erase everything else, or keep everything else, or decide manually
[05:21] <Sm0keydaBear> Right, that's what I meant earlier by trying to specify where GRUB goes
[05:21] <Sm0keydaBear> It just would NOT let me install it
[05:21] <ailo> You'll need a Swap partition that is roughly twice the size of your RAM, and one ext4 partition where to put your /
[05:22] <Sm0keydaBear> Ok, I did that but I'm not quite sure, can I set the partition that says Linux to be where to install grub?
[05:23] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: I believe I told you this a few times already. If you want to decide where to install GRUB, use the Ubuntu alternate CD. Otherwise, be assured, GRUB will be installed onto the main HD
[05:23] <ailo> Grub is just a tiny program, that boots OS's
[05:24] <Sm0keydaBear> But it won't even let me install onto the MAIN hd
[05:24] <ailo> Using Wubi, you mean?
[05:24] <ailo> Which I don't know anything about
[05:24] <Sm0keydaBear> No, using UbuntuStudio CD
[05:24] <ailo> I don't think you have installed using the Ubuntustudio CD
[05:24] <ailo> You were using the "try before installing", were you not?
[05:24] <Sm0keydaBear> No, because I cant
[05:25] <Sm0keydaBear> I was using all 5-10 methods in fact
[05:25] <Sm0keydaBear> When I say I used my whole day, I'm not joking
[05:25] <ailo> It's not hard. You put the CD in. Select install. And go through the procedure.
[05:25] <Sm0keydaBear> And then it won't install UbuntuStudio
[05:25] <Sm0keydaBear> I believe I said this already
[05:25] <Sm0keydaBear> It gives me a STANDARD copy of Ubuntu
[05:26] <ailo> You were using Wubi, you said
[05:26] <ailo> That is not the same thing
[05:26] <ailo> I can't waste any more time with this
[05:26] <Sm0keydaBear> No, I said I've tried Wubi, I tried the Install from CD, I've tried installing AFTER using the Try before installing
[05:26] <ailo> Just put the CD in, install. And if you want to keep Windows, make sure not to install over that partition
[05:26] <Sm0keydaBear> I've tried the installing packages from INSIDE Ubuntu with no luck
[05:27] <Sm0keydaBear> Oh and not to mention
[05:27] <Sm0keydaBear> I tried installing with the first option to keep all of my data, and it just gives me the standard Ubuntu
[05:27] <Sm0keydaBear> I mean literally what I say
[05:28] <Sm0keydaBear> I'm not at all too stupid to read instructions
[05:28] <ailo> Which is impossible, if you were installing from the UBuntu Studio CD.
[05:28] <Sm0keydaBear> I appreciate you trying to help but, I'm not sure what is going on MYSELF
[05:28] <Sm0keydaBear> Well that's EXACTLY what I'm saying
[05:28] <Sm0keydaBear> If something is well under the possibility of being impossible, then why can't I do it
[05:28] <ailo> So, you weren't installing from the Ubuntu Studio CD. That is what I am saying
[05:29] <Sm0keydaBear> No, I told you already
[05:29] <Sm0keydaBear> I DID use the CD to install it
[05:29] <ailo> No you didn't
[05:29] <Sm0keydaBear> Anyways
[05:29] <ailo> Or you would not have installed UBuntu
[05:29] <Sm0keydaBear> I guess this is no help
[05:29] <ailo> It's like you tell me that you tried to install Ubuntu but ended up with OSX
[05:29] <Sm0keydaBear> I'm serious, I've tried all the methods that I spoke of before
[05:30] <Sm0keydaBear> Only to have a standard copy of Ubuntu at the end of it all
[05:30] <Sm0keydaBear> Or no boot because GRUB didn't install
[05:30] <Sm0keydaBear> Forcing me back into Windows
[05:32] <Sm0keydaBear> I mean, I can try to do it again but I'm afraid I'm just going to end up back here anyways
[05:32] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: If you want to learn more about installing in different ways, before messing up your HD, try using something like Virtualbox
[05:32] <Sm0keydaBear> lol I'm certain I will not mess up my harddrives
[05:33] <Sm0keydaBear> But seriously, I have no clue what is going on, I downloaded the ISO from the website, burned it to DVD, went to install it and nothing goes right
[05:33] <Sm0keydaBear> Which is why I'm here in the first place
[05:34] <Sm0keydaBear> All I need essentially is a workaround for GRUB to install, but I can't find a solution to that
[05:35] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: Listen. GRUB always installs, when using the live CD. If you use Ubuntu Studio live CD, you can only install Ubuntu Studio. Whatever problems you have above that are imaginary
[05:35] <Sm0keydaBear> Well I'm not imagining staying up for so long that I forgot to sleep
[05:35] <ailo> Wubi I have no clue about
[05:36] <Sm0keydaBear> I'm telling you
[05:36] <Sm0keydaBear> I did NOT just use Wubi
[05:36] <ailo> And what did you do during partitioning?
[05:36] <Sm0keydaBear> Wubi I went to first, because it was simple to install from Windows, but then I had realized that I was not actually using UbuntuStudio
[05:36] <ailo> At which stage did the install fail?
[05:36] <Sm0keydaBear> Another question I asked first
[05:37] <Sm0keydaBear> I could not identify my hard disk to install to
[05:37] <ailo> During partitioning, you mean?
[05:37] <Sm0keydaBear> The install didn't fail for Wubi, the install didn't fail for installing UbuntuStudio, the install failed when trying to install grub
[05:38] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: Explain which stage that is at
[05:38] <Sm0keydaBear> The very last before rebooting to make changes
[05:38] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: So, what did you do during partitioning?
[05:38] <Sm0keydaBear> Tried almost every partition to see if Grub would install
[05:39] <Sm0keydaBear> Which it would not, actually
[05:40] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: So, no GRUB on that computer, at all
[05:40] <Sm0keydaBear> No, not at all, it would not install
[05:40] <Sm0keydaBear> So no UbuntuStudio, basically
[05:40] <Sm0keydaBear> I'm just not sure how to fix it
[05:41] <Sm0keydaBear> I mean you already know without Grub, there's basically no way of running Ubuntu
[05:41] <Sm0keydaBear> So I just have no clue as to why it will not install
[05:41] <Sm0keydaBear> Pretty much tells me every time that it's the wrong path
[05:42] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: If you can't install GRUB onto the HD, it should be the same no matter which installer you use
[05:42] <Sm0keydaBear> Right, but Wubi works
[05:42] <Sm0keydaBear> So I mean, I could just install Ubuntu, but that would mean manually loading packages, something I'm not willing to spend another 24 hours doing
[05:42] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: Wubi is different. It boots from Windows bootloader, right?
[05:42] <Sm0keydaBear> No, Wubi installs directly from Windows
[05:43] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: I just told. If you want to install ubuntustudio packages, just install ubuntustudio-audio, and you're done
[05:43] <Sm0keydaBear> And even creates its own partition
[05:43] <ailo> I mean, the audio packages
[05:43] <Sm0keydaBear> Well, I want the GUI as well
[05:43] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: The GRUB problem is in no way a Ubuntu Studio specific problem
[05:43] <Sm0keydaBear> Right, but I cannot find any solution at all, so I thought I'd ask
[05:43] <ailo> I've never heard of it, but could be you could find some help in general Ubuntu forums
[05:44] <Sm0keydaBear> I mean, if you can't help, you can't help
[05:44] <Sm0keydaBear> But really, I mean this is killing me why I'm not able to install this
[05:44] <Sm0keydaBear> Everything should load perfectly from the CD, but it doesn't
[05:44] <Sm0keydaBear> So I mean, I'm just not sure what exactly I'm supposed to do here
[05:45] <len-dt> as someone who has loaded it almost daily for over 6 months... It is killing me too.
[05:45] <len-dt> I have been able to select which drive to install grub to.
[05:45] <len-dt> In two ways
[05:46] <Sm0keydaBear> But will it let you boot from the boot selection menu from bios?
[05:46] <Sm0keydaBear> I mean, that's pretty much the ONLY problem I'm having, is not getting it to be in the boot selection menu
[05:47] <len-dt> the manual partition screen allows the device to be chosen. The bios in my case lets me choose which hard drive to boot from.
[05:47] <Sm0keydaBear> I get that, but I chose like EVERY drive in the list, and still could not finish installing GRUB
[05:47] <len-dt> So you are saying there is a boot selection menu in bios?
[05:47] <Sm0keydaBear> I suppose when I am able to install GRUB, there will be
[05:48] <len-dt> Ok, so there is not then.
[05:48] <Sm0keydaBear> No, not as of right now, I cannot install GRUB
[05:48] <len-dt> the boot selection would come from grub
[05:48] <len-dt> grub is not bios.
[05:48] <Sm0keydaBear> I will BRB, I think my HDD will be done formatting then, and I will come back and let you know what's going on
[05:49] <Sm0keydaBear> I will try installing straight off of the CD
[05:49] <len-dt> OK
[06:21] <ailo> That guy is lucky if he's able to separate between his left and right hand. But, not easy when not all that in speed with installing OS's
[06:22] <len-dt> :)   so much easier to just be there
[06:22] <ailo> That much is clear. "It doesn't install" doesn't give you many clues
[07:06] <Sm0keydaBear> Found out what was wrong. Basically it was just the way that it named all of my partitions with the weird numbers
[07:07] <Sm0keydaBear> I had the right drive selected, but the wrong partition
[07:07] <Sm0keydaBear> Installing updates then I finally get to check out what I can do. I might need help setting up JACK tho
[07:09] <Sm0keydaBear> Oh, one question, the preinstalled version of Ardour is basically fully functional, correct?
[08:05] <Sm0keydaBear> Yes I am back again to annoy you...
[08:06] <Sm0keydaBear> But this time, I'm having issues with my S/PDIF connection. I'm not entirely sure it's my S/PDIF, but I cannot figure this problem out.
[08:06] <Sm0keydaBear> I can record and have sound go INTO Ardour, but I cannot reroute the sound back to play out of my computers speakers, presumebly because of me using S/PDIF on my reciever.
[08:07] <Sm0keydaBear> Am I missing something? I've got my connections in JACK so that Ardour L/R is connected to systems' playback 1 and playback 2
[08:07] <Sm0keydaBear> But I get no sound, can anyone tell me what I'm missing?
[08:09] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: Your speakers are connected to the spdif outlet on your audio device?
[08:10] <ailo> What device is it?
[08:10] <Sm0keydaBear> Ummm, what do you mean device
[08:10] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: What kind of audio device?
[08:10] <Sm0keydaBear> Ok this is what I got, my computer has onboard sound and the S/PDIF is from the back out of my computer, into my reciever
[08:10] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: And, did you try desktop sound, when not using jack. Does that work?
[08:11] <Sm0keydaBear> Yes, I can create noise or whatever in Audacity, and it does work with sound coming out
[08:11] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: How many outputs does jack show for your audio device?
[08:11] <Sm0keydaBear> JACK shows 8 I think
[08:11] <Sm0keydaBear> If you mean Playback devices, it shows 8
[08:11] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: Then you should connect to the other outputs, and see which one of them is spdif
[08:11] <Sm0keydaBear> Ahh I just looked it up and was going to try them out
[08:11] <ailo> The first 2 aught to be your analoge stereo outs
[08:11] <Sm0keydaBear> Yah I think they are
[08:13] <Sm0keydaBear> Just to confirm, I need to be connecting Master/out 1 and 2 into whichever playback device my S/PDIF is?
[08:14] <Sm0keydaBear> Well that's weird, I just tried all connecting my master/out 1 and 2 to all playbacks, but still get no sound out
[08:14] <Sm0keydaBear> Is there a way to find which playback my S/PDIF is?
[08:15] <mighty_aboba> Card?
[08:15] <Sm0keydaBear> Onboard
[08:15] <mighty_aboba> Model?
[08:16] <mighty_aboba> Does it have SPDIF out?
[08:16] <Sm0keydaBear> IEC958
[08:16] <Sm0keydaBear> Yes, and it does work without JACK
[08:16] <mighty_aboba> Is it works with Pulse Audio?
[08:16] <Sm0keydaBear> HDA Intel: ALC889
[08:17] <Sm0keydaBear> I don't know, how do I check that btw?
[08:17] <mighty_aboba> Do you have installed PulseAudio?
[08:17] <Sm0keydaBear> Ok nevermind lol, I've been using PulseAudio
[08:17] <Sm0keydaBear> Ok, I guess this is the issue, I'm not seeing my S/PDIF on my Output Devices list
[08:18] <mighty_aboba> I have two diff interfaces in qjackctl preferences
[08:18] <mighty_aboba> which is
[08:19] <mighty_aboba> hw:0 analog part of my onboard card
[08:19] <mighty_aboba> and hw:1 is didgital part(SPDIF)
[08:19] <mighty_aboba> check it, maybe you have it too
[08:19] <ailo> That's weird
[08:20] <ailo> But then you need to choose a different output, only
[08:20] <Sm0keydaBear> I just changed it to HW:0
[08:20] <ailo> My digital out is HW:0,2
[08:21] <Sm0keydaBear> Also have plughw:0 , /dev/audio and dev/dsp
[08:21] <Sm0keydaBear> oh wait
[08:21] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: If you select the correct audio device in "Interface", and then see under "Outputs"..
[08:21] <ailo> Sorry, "Output Device"
[08:21] <Sm0keydaBear> I didn't see the dropdown box on the right lol. hw:0,1 ALC889,1 digital
[08:23] <mighty_aboba> Does anybody knows where I can find some instructions about performance boosting?
[08:23] <Sm0keydaBear> Humm it's not working still
[08:24] <Sm0keydaBear> Pretty odd, I just can't get any sound out of JACK
[08:25] <mighty_aboba> try to kill PA
[08:25] <Sm0keydaBear> Also, the only output's showing up in PA is my video cards
[08:25] <Sm0keydaBear> Ok, should I command line it?
[08:25] <mighty_aboba> pulseaudio --kill
[08:26] <Sm0keydaBear> Ok did that but my S/PDIF still doesn't show up in PulseAudio :(
[08:27] <Sm0keydaBear> Lol, I lost my third tab actually in Configuration
[08:28] <Sm0keydaBear> Is there a reason why PulseAudio isn't letting my S/PDIF or even Analogs show up? Or maybe JACK is messing it up>
[08:28] <Sm0keydaBear> ?
[08:28] <mighty_aboba> Show up? where?
[08:30] <mighty_aboba> Maybe you must select the right interface
[08:30] <Sm0keydaBear> Inside of PulseAudio
[08:30] <Sm0keydaBear> I selected pretty much the default, HW 0
[08:30] <Sm0keydaBear> Which DOES work in Audacity
[08:31] <mighty_aboba> PA? Does you kill PA?
[08:31] <mighty_aboba> If you kill it
[08:32] <mighty_aboba> the spdif or analog outs will not showed inside pa
[08:34] <mighty_aboba> try to alsamixer in console
[08:34] <mighty_aboba> maybe your outs are muted
[08:39] <Sm0keydaBear> Ok one second
[08:40] <Sm0keydaBear> My S/PDIF and S/PDIF Default PCM are at 00, but are not muted
[08:40] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: Are you mixing up PA with jack?
[08:41] <Sm0keydaBear> I'm not sure how to do that
[08:41] <ailo> When you say pulseaudio settings, what do you mean?
[08:41] <Sm0keydaBear> Ohhhh you mean like thinking they're the same thing
[08:41] <ailo> qjackctl controls jack, not PA
[08:42] <ailo> And PA does not control jack
[08:42] <Sm0keydaBear> No inside of JACK I have my Ardour connected to all of the outs
[08:42] <Sm0keydaBear> But inside PA, I do not have my standard outs showing up
[08:42] <Sm0keydaBear> It only shows my video card outs :(
[08:42] <ailo> You said before, you had it working with PA
[08:42] <Sm0keydaBear> And a Dummy Output now that I disabled my video cards
[08:42] <ailo> Which means, you had it selected for your output device
[08:43] <Sm0keydaBear> Yes one second, I will test sound with Audacity
[08:43] <Sm0keydaBear> Audacity IS working with HDA Intel: ALC889 hw 0,1
[08:43] <ailo> mighty_aboba: What kind of performane boosting do you need?
[08:44] <Sm0keydaBear> Is there something in ALSA that I need to connect?
[08:44] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: There's no hw 0,1 in PA settings
[08:44] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: Where are you doing PA settings?
[08:44] <mighty_aboba> speed boosting
[08:44] <Sm0keydaBear> I only have a Dummy Output in PA, but sound works via Audacity
[08:44] <ailo> Go to the volume applet, and click the "mixer", or "settings" or whatever it's called
[08:44] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: That's the PA mixer/settings
[08:45] <ailo> mighty_aboba: You need lower latency? what?
[08:45] <mighty_aboba> i want to take from my laptop maximum
[08:45] <Sm0keydaBear> Right, in Qjackctrl, I have in Audio my Master out 1/2 from Ardour connected to all 8 Playbacks
[08:45] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: Qjackctl only controls jack
[08:45] <ailo> Not Pulseaudio
[08:45] <ailo> Just to make that clear
[08:46] <Sm0keydaBear> Right, I know, but Audacity works without PulseAudio I believe
[08:46] <Sm0keydaBear> Err, DOES work with Dummy Output only
[08:46] <Sm0keydaBear> And Ardour DOES have a signal coming out of the master channel
[08:47] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: Why not make life easy, and just use the analoge out?
[08:47] <Sm0keydaBear> I mean my reciever does not have an analog out
[08:47] <ailo> analog in, you mean
[08:47] <Sm0keydaBear> And it is what I primarily use, so I figure why not get the work done first and then get to work
[08:47] <Sm0keydaBear> Making music is kind of my job
[08:48] <Sm0keydaBear> First time user of Ubuntu btw
[08:48] <ailo> mighty_aboba: Are you not getting the performance you require? What is missing?
[08:48] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: It's a bit of a challenge, just jumping in
[08:49] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: My advice is, give it some time
[08:49] <Sm0keydaBear> Right I mean the only thing I'm really hanging on is getting this to work
[08:49] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: As mighty_aboba suggested, when using jack, try using alsamixer from the console to see the controls for your audio device
[08:49] <Sm0keydaBear> Yes I have it open
[08:50] <ailo> If you see spdif there, then it is active and available with jack
[08:50] <ailo> Or, should be
[08:50] <Sm0keydaBear> Yes, I have S/PDIF and S/PDIF Default PCM
[08:50] <ailo> PA also uses alsa drivers for its backend, but does things a bit differently
[08:50] <Sm0keydaBear> Both unmuted
[08:51] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: btw, when you start jack, no problems? It just starts and runs fine?
[08:52] <Sm0keydaBear> Everything is fine, no problems in the message window of JACK
[08:52] <Sm0keydaBear> I have my Audio Output and Inputs, but I need Playback 9 and 10
[08:53] <Sm0keydaBear> I cannot access my S/PDIF because they have no number above them in Alsamixer
[08:53] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: You could ask on #jack, about digital outputs. I'm afraid I have very little experience with that, except I have managed to sync two devices using spdif
[08:53] <Sm0keydaBear> Ok I will ask there, thanks
[09:01] <Sm0keydaBear> Well, still searching for a way to get it to work lol
[09:02] <Sm0keydaBear> Guess I will mess with the output channels and whatnot
[09:02] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: There's also #opensourcemusicians
[09:03] <Sm0keydaBear> Cool, I'll check there as well
[09:03] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: Also, if you have audio coming out from the spdif, when using pulseaudio, that means you have selected the right device
[09:04] <ailo> You can't say it's not showing up, when evidentally you are using it
[09:04] <ailo> And it's selected
[09:04] <ailo> In Pulseaudio settings, that is. Which has absolutely nothing to do with jack, whatsever
[09:05] <ailo> Except both use alsa drivers, which most probably means it should work on jack, also
[09:06] <Sm0keydaBear> lol I did the pulseaudio --kill command and then the output disappeared
[09:07] <Sm0keydaBear> But I can still get sound output from Audacity, which is what's weird
[09:07] <Sm0keydaBear> It seems Audacity like other programs directly access the sound, but for some reason JACK is not interfacing with my S/PDIF
[09:07] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: You're probably using alsa with Audacity, which means, it's blocking PA when you use it
[09:08] <ailo> That would be visible in Audacity settings
[09:08] <ailo> And that has nothing to do with PA, alsa, or jack settings. That's just the settings for Audacity
[09:57] <Sm0keydaBear> lol, I guess a restart was all it needed
[09:57] <Sm0keydaBear> Now I have PulseAudio JACK Sink connected :)
[09:57] <Sm0keydaBear> Oh BTW, one more question before I get out of here, are there any more sound generators / synths that I can find?
[10:05] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: Yes, PA + jack, but that's not what makes the digital out work
[10:06] <ailo> So, the digital out works now?
[10:06] <Sm0keydaBear> Yes, PulseAudio recognizes my S/PDIF now after restart
[10:06] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: That has nothing to do with jack
[10:06] <ailo> When you run jack, PA stops using your device
[10:07] <ailo> When you set PA to use jack as sink, PA is nothing more than Software
[10:07] <ailo> No drivers in use
[10:07] <ailo> Jack is doing the driver part
[10:07] <Sm0keydaBear> Hmmm, I don't know anything about this yet
[10:07] <ailo> Pulseaudio is a desktop audio system, that normally uses alsa drivers
[10:08] <ailo> When jack is running, it is jack that is using the alsa drivers for that card, not PA
[10:08] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: While you were gone, I found a way to use the spdif only
[10:08] <ailo> But, I guess you won't need it
[10:09] <Sm0keydaBear> lol thanks anyways
[10:10] <Sm0keydaBear> Oh yah btw, did you know where I could find some instruments to use with JACK?
[10:18] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: make searches based on lv2 and dssi
[10:19] <ailo> Or is it just dssi?
[10:19] <ailo> Not a lot shows up, btw
[10:20] <ailo> Or just google..
[10:23] <Sm0keydaBear> Cool stuff, looks like an immediate download
[10:31] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: You basically have three types of tech, that are linux specific. ladspa(fx), dssi(instruments) and lv2 (am I forgetting something?)
[10:32] <ailo> Also, there's a bit of vst support, but not much of that with Ubuntu Studio
[10:32] <ailo> And not for vst instruments, AFAIK
[10:32] <ailo> You'll need to add a PPA to get VST support to some software, like a KXStudio PPA
[10:35] <ailo> Sm0keydaBear: What kind of music are you making? You have anything we can listen to?
[13:07] <scriptwarlock> halo everyone
[13:08] <scriptwarlock> any ideas about this? "FATAL: Module raw1394 not found" after issuing this command modprobe raw1394
[13:10] <ailo> scriptwarlock: raw1394 was replaced by a new stack some time ago
[13:11] <ailo> What are you trying to do?
[13:11] <ailo> And on which OS?
[13:11] <scriptwarlock> so how do i check if the 1394 is loading or working
[13:11] <scriptwarlock> os
[13:11] <scriptwarlock> oh ubuntu studio 12.04
[13:11] <ailo> You're trying to start a firewire device, right?
[13:11] <ailo> If using jack, you only need to be member of audio group
[13:12] <scriptwarlock> yes but of course just checking if the module is loaded or present
[13:12] <ailo> Which you are
[13:12] <ailo> The 1394 module is replaced
[13:12] <ailo> So, not used
[13:12] <ailo> Hasn't been since 10.04, by default
[13:12] <scriptwarlock> replaced of what?
[13:13] <ailo> scriptwarlock: A new firewire stack has replaced it
[13:13] <ailo> scriptwarlock: What device are you trying to get started?
[13:13] <scriptwarlock> itommorow i'll be using the presonus studio live 24 miing console that has a firewire to record the audio
[13:14] <scriptwarlock> mixing*
[13:14] <ailo> scriptwarlock: Use ffado-diag to see what's going on
[13:15] <ailo> I mean, when using the device
[13:15] <scriptwarlock> the one in the mixer>ffad mixer?
[13:15] <ailo> If it's a device that is known to work, it should just work, out of the box
[13:15] <ailo> scriptwarlock: in the console. Install ffado-tools, and use the tool ffado-diag to see info about the device, etc
[13:15] <scriptwarlock> ah ok
[13:16] <ailo> scriptwarlock: You don't have access to the device now?
[13:16] <scriptwarlock> tommorow
[13:16] <scriptwarlock> you know presonus mixing consoles?
[13:17] <ailo> scriptwarlock: Haven't tried it. You can try out ffado-diag now, if you like. It will tell you:   old 1394 stack present.... False
[13:17] <ailo>   old 1394 stack loaded..... False
[13:17] <ailo>   old 1394 stack active..... False
[13:17] <ailo>   new 1394 stack present.... True
[13:17] <ailo>   new 1394 stack loaded..... True
[13:17] <ailo>   new 1394 stack active..... True
[13:17] <ailo>   /dev/raw1394 node present. False
[13:18] <scriptwarlock> aha
[13:18] <scriptwarlock> yeah we have the same result
[13:18] <scriptwarlock> that means i have a working firewire
[13:19] <ailo> scriptwarlock: Here's the file that allows users in audio group to use firewire devices: cat /lib/udev/rules.d/60-ffado.rules
[13:19] <ailo> So, no further configuration needed
[13:19] <scriptwarlock> oh my
[13:20] <ailo> If the device is known to work, you might need to fiddle with it, getting it to start. For me, I need to first start the device. Then connect the cable. Very weird
[13:20] <scriptwarlock> i have link the ffad0 to raw1394
[13:20] <ailo> Perhaps for other devices, there's no fiddling at all. You just start jack, and you're done
[13:20] <ailo> scriptwarlock: As I said. No configs needed. You just start jack
[13:20] <scriptwarlock> awtz
[13:21] <scriptwarlock> darn gotta bring back what i have done
[13:21] <ailo> scriptwarlock: A fresh install would do the trick. It's all there, as is
[13:21] <scriptwarlock> yeah thanks very much
[13:22] <scriptwarlock> tomorrow will tell me everything after firing the mixing console
[13:22] <ailo> Good luck :). Always risky not testing beforehand
[13:23] <scriptwarlock> yep
[13:23] <scriptwarlock> some commands to unlink that ffado to raw1394?
[13:24] <ailo> Not really sure what you did
[13:24] <scriptwarlock> ln /dev/fw0 /dev/raw1394
[13:25] <ailo> So, you created a link to /dev/fw0 in /dev/raw1394?
[13:26] <ailo> You could just delete the link
[13:26] <ailo> Don't think the link would do anything anyway tho
[13:27] <scriptwarlock> and changing the permission to some 666 or 775
[13:27] <ailo> I'd just do a fresh install, to be sure.
[13:28] <scriptwarlock> thats fine anyway this is just a fresh install so no problem for me... so to wrap everything i need is just fire the jack and connect the device to my laptop/
[13:29] <ailo> Just connect, and start jack
[13:29] <scriptwarlock> got it darn i messed the OS
[13:30] <scriptwarlock> if only we have a restore point that would be very convenient
[13:31] <ailo> There might be a way to make copies of the system, but you'd have to do it manually. Perhaps there are some tools for that
[13:31] <ailo> Not builtin into the OS, anyway
[13:32] <scriptwarlock> it could be rsync or remastersys
[13:33] <scriptwarlock> anyway thanks for the help very informative
[13:34] <scriptwarlock> is the audio production>mixers>ffado mixer is the same with ffado-daig?
[13:34] <ailo> ffado-mixer is for controlling the internal routing of the firewire device
[13:34] <scriptwarlock> ok
[13:35] <scriptwarlock> thanks be right back some time gonna reinstall ustudio
[17:08] <Danne575> why cant i config my asus d2pm audiocard,it is not compatibelt whith ubuntustudio probely
[17:17] <ailo> Daviey: What seems to be your problem?
[17:17] <Daviey> ailo: Where do i begin?
[17:18] <ailo> Daviey: Sorry :)
[17:18] <ailo> That guy Danne seems to have disappeared quickly
[18:35] <janolap1> Hi there, I have a problem using a dv camcorder with kino 1.3.4 : I have bought a old samsung  vp-d376 to use it as a dv player and to avoid using my so old sony dcr pc 110. When I try to acquire the dv tape through kino, the image freezes after a few seconds and the capture stops. But the camcorder is still playing.
[18:36] <janolap1> So I can capture a few sequences but not all
[18:37] <janolap1> Where can I go to see if there is a error ?
[18:38] <janolap1> Ooops rebooting...