[00:59] <apol> jtechidna: 
[00:59] <apol> ping
[01:05] <apol> jtechidna: sent you an e-mail >.<
[01:05] <apol> good night kubuntu'ers!
[02:09] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1001549] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: conffile '.... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1001549 (by Brian Neltner)
[08:52] <apachelogger___> shadeslayer: PING
[08:52] <apachelogger___> also, morning kids!
[08:59] <Riddell> morning apachelogger!
[11:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:32] <Riddell> afternoon
[12:01] <Riddell> hmm a mixed review here http://www.muktware.com/3914/why-i-went-back-gnome-kde
[12:02] <Riddell> txwikinger: are you using arm servers?
[12:06] <apachelogger___> Riddell: muktware is FUDcentral
[12:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger___: PONG
[12:14] <apachelogger___> shadeslayer: autoresolved
[12:14] <shadeslayer> awesome
[12:15] <apachelogger___> how's your qdebug coming along?
[12:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger___: already fixed in my branch
[12:15] <shadeslayer> haven't pushed yet, was out doing tax stuff
[12:15] <shadeslayer> sec
[12:16] <apachelogger___> shadeslayer: talk to Will about mergering it on gitorious
[12:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger___: can't do atm
[12:16] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[12:16]  * shadeslayer is using the wrong repo
[12:17]  * shadeslayer facepalms
[12:17]  * apachelogger___ applauds
[12:18]  * shadeslayer fondles apachelogger___ and forks repo on gitorious
[12:18] <apachelogger___> no fondling during work hours! :P
[12:18]  * shadeslayer fondles apachelogger___ a bit more
[12:21] <shadeslayer> sign
[12:21] <shadeslayer> sigh
[12:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger___: they don't even use pretty headers
[12:21] <apachelogger___> pretty headers?
[12:22] <shadeslayer> #include <kmessagebox.h>
[12:23] <apachelogger___> looks pretty too me
[12:23] <shadeslayer> #include <KMessageBox> ?
[12:23] <apachelogger___> not so pretty
[12:24] <shadeslayer> whut
[12:29]  * debfx wants leetspeak header aliases
[12:29] <debfx> #include <km355463b0x>
[12:34] <apachelogger___> dem would be ze prettiest
[12:34] <apachelogger___> someone script something to make that happen plz
[12:44] <ScottK> Riddell: The only thing that bothers me in that article is the comments from other KDE people about Kubuntu as a distro.  I think those are wrong and unfair and the KDE community should not do such things.
[12:50] <jtechidna> ScottK: I noticed some... untoward behavior from a certain suse community leader in the comments there as well :/
[12:50] <ScottK> He was one of them, but not the only one.
[12:51] <ScottK> I guess I could mention that when I'm googling for patches to fix bugs, I ignore hits from suse because they're always crap.
[12:51] <ScottK> Actually it happened once, but it's an equivalent comment.
[12:52] <jtechidna> right, but coming from somebody who is supposed to be the outward facing representative of suse, it's kind of really unbecoming.
[12:52] <ScottK> Definitely.
[12:53] <jtechidna> anybody else could be disregarded as a mere troll, or at best just a disgruntled user.
[12:53] <jtechidna> once disgruntled, it's hard to become gruntled again :P
[13:00] <shadeslayer> omfg
[13:00] <shadeslayer> [Launchpad-users] Beta test: asynchronous PPA package copies
[13:00] <shadeslayer> YES
[13:00] <shadeslayer> yofel_: ^^ LOOK
[13:00] <yofel_> seen, haven't tried it yet
[13:01] <shadeslayer> all of ti seems magical
[13:01] <shadeslayer> *it
[13:01] <shadeslayer> I just saw the email
[13:34] <ScottK> jtechidna: FYI, barry's on the case porting kpythonpluginfactory to python3.
[13:35] <jtechidna> great :)
[13:36] <ScottK> I did some CMake magic for him last night, so now I think it's just Python 3 C API.
[13:50] <Quintasan> \o
[13:50] <Riddell> hi Quintasan 
[15:20] <Riddell> I'm sure my old owncloud packages set up a mysql database for you, but I don't see it in them, maybe I just made that up
[15:20] <Riddell> anyone remember?
[15:30] <apol> jtechidna: in the fonts category, we should filter for ttf-* instead of ttf*, no?
[16:12] <jtechidna> apol: is there a reason to do one over the other?
[16:13] <apol> jtechidna: all fonts are ttf-* and I see we have packages that are ttf* and are not fonts
[16:13] <jtechidna> hmm
[16:13] <jtechidna> yeah, probably should be ttf-*
[16:14] <apol> jtechidna: like ttf2ufm
[16:14] <jtechidna> yeah
[16:18] <apol> ok I'll fix that
[16:18] <apol> jtechidna: when calling upgrade&commit
[16:18] <apol> if there's nothing to upgrade, CommitChangesFinished is never emitted
[16:24] <apol> jtechidna: maybe I can add workerFinished to QApt::Backend? seems safer than using workerEvent
[16:24] <apol> or should i listen for the error in this case?
[16:25] <jtechidna> apol: I think there should be a FetchError in this case
[16:26] <apol> hm
[16:26] <apol> I'm not getting any signal, not workerEvent or errorOccurred
[16:27] <jtechidna> the worker's commitChanges function must be returning without emitting a signal, otherwise it would emit at least something
[16:36] <apol> jtechidna: where does the worker stdout go?
[16:36] <jtechidna> apol: to debug the worker, start it with "sudo qaptworker" in konsole, then run a transaction with muon
[16:37] <jtechidna> stdout will then be in the terminal
[16:37] <jtechidna> there's a 30 second timeout in between when you start qaptworker before it automatically quits
[16:37] <apol> jtechidna: do I need some argument? it quits immediately here
[16:38] <jtechidna> oh, it'll do that if there's already a qaptworker process still around
[16:38] <jtechidna> just killall qaptworker before hand
[16:38] <jtechidna> perhaps it should say something about that....
[16:44] <jtechidna> I have to go run an errand, be back in ~an hour
[16:51] <apol> jtechidna: my bad, it was my problem :P
[16:51] <apol> fixed ^^
[17:25] <jtechidna> :)
[18:54] <shadeslayer> fooey, no riddell
[19:52] <littlegirl> Hey there, would there be any objection to using K-menu for the Kickoff Application Launcher Menu in the Kubuntu system documentation?
[19:53] <littlegirl> Also, would there be any objection to my renaming the manage-software.xml file to software.xml so that it's one word like all the other topic documents?
[19:55] <littlegirl> And one more thing: There was mention of changing KMail to Kontact Mail in the Precise blueprints, but I don't think that should happen since its name really is KMail and that's what it's called even on its web site. Can that particular task be disregarded?
[19:58] <ScottK> littlegirl: For #1 I think that makes sense because that's what most people call it.  For #2, I think you're the docs writer, so you decide.  For #3 Yes and see #2.
[19:59] <jjesse> no worries on changing thngs
[20:00] <littlegirl> Okay, thanks. I had those tasks sitting there and didn't know quite what to do with them. I wish the blueprint had an [INVALID] tag we could use for occasional tasks just so that if you look at the progression from one release to another you can see that an unfinished task in one release was considered and rejected in another release rather than ignored altogether. (:
[20:00] <ScottK> littlegirl: If it's invalid, delete it.
[20:01] <littlegirl> ScottK: Right, although that doesn't let anyone who comes along later and looks at both blueprints know that you did consider it and reject it, rather than just not considering it at all. (:
[20:01] <ScottK> You can write something about that in the blueprint summary.
[20:02] <littlegirl> I suppose I'll do that. (:
[20:02] <littlegirl> I'm going to have a wish list of tasks that need to be accomplished by Someone Other Than Me. Is this where I would put them or would it be better to make a post in the kubuntu-devel mailing list?
[20:03] <jjesse> littlegirl, are you updating the TODO text?
[20:03] <jjesse> i might have some time this next trip to work on thngs
[20:03] <littlegirl> jjesse: I have been, but let me look if it's caught up...
[20:03] <ScottK> littlegirl: Make sure they're listed in the tasks for the BP and then email kubuntu-devel, then apply a big stick about jjesse's head and shoulders for emphasis.
[20:04] <jjesse> i'll need lots of sticks
[20:04] <littlegirl> jjesse: Nope, it needs a bit of tweaking. I'll update it. (:
[20:04] <littlegirl> LOL
[20:11] <littlegirl> Okay, the TODO file is updated and on the server. (:
[20:12]  * littlegirl hands jjesse lots of sticks
[20:14] <barry> hi scott
[20:14] <barry> hi ScottK 
[20:14] <ScottK> High barry.
[20:15] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: barry has a patch for kpython3pluginfactory that at least compiles.  He needs help with testing.  Can you help out with that?
[20:15] <barry> ScottK: not during working hours :)
[20:15] <ScottK> He did it late last night.
[20:16] <barry> ScottK, JontheEchidna lp:~barry/+junk/pykde4py3
[20:16] <barry> the only thing i modified from ScottK's pastebin is kpython3pluginfactory_base.patch
[20:20] <littlegirl> One more thing on my questions above. Would the proper way to write it be K-menu or K-Menu or K menu?
[20:20] <ScottK> No idea.
[20:20] <jjesse> i would assume there is something on kde.org
[20:20] <ScottK> We should start getting IRC notifications here on Kubuntu packageset changes and ISO status changes.
[20:20] <jjesse> to help w/ naming
[20:20]  * littlegirl will look on kde.org
[20:26] <littlegirl> Okay, it looks like the officially correct way to write it is "K menu" so that's what it will be. (:
[20:27]  * littlegirl throws Ks around
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> ScottK, barry: I have some paperwork to do/emails to send related to squaring things away for university this fall, but I'll look at it later tonight when I'm done with all that. Thanks for taking a look at it!
[20:45] <barry> sure thing!