[00:43]  * chalcedony smiles
[00:43] <chalcedony> if you ask something, someone might answer
[01:42] <qbit9433> what is the channel where the freenode ops hang out?
[04:05] <c_smith> Hi, I'm having issues with the Facebook Plasma Widget, it dosn't stay functional after logging out once. as in it becomes a blank widget after logging out once.
[04:05] <c_smith> is there anything I can try?
[04:29] <c_smith> does anyone have a clue as to the Facebook widget issue?
[04:59] <phoenix_firebrd> I am having a problem with kwin, the windows are displayed tiled and i am getting a error notification "Layout changed to columns"
[05:01] <phoenix_firebrd> going to restart , brb
[08:04] <aetoxx> How am I supposed to setup sound such that it always works?
[08:05] <aetoxx> In particular, gksudo -u anotheruser mplayer /tmp/foo.mp3 does not work whereas mplayer /tmp/foo.mp3 does.
[08:57] <coder2> Hello. Please help me with oversized system tray. It is growing and growing
[09:11] <daniel___> Have you tried right-click the desktop or on the Cashew and locking widgets?
[09:12] <daniel___> A little more detail on what you mean by growing would help too. Which version of KDE are you using?
[09:19] <Thomas____> hey
[09:20] <Thomas____> anyone mind helping with a graphics driver issue
[09:22] <Thomas____> hello?
[09:22] <daniel___> Nvidia, Nvidia Optimus or Radeon?
[09:23] <Thomas____> well my nvidia worked but got damaged so im trying to use the ati thats intergrated into my motherboard but when i try to install the drivers says its not supported on this verison, running 12.04 kubuntu its ati radeon 200g series
[09:23] <Thomas____> the nvidia drivers are already gone did a fresh install
[09:23] <Thomas____> i installed the newer catalyst controll center but it cant identify my card lspci shows it
[09:27] <daniel___> Sorry man, can't help. I use Nvidia exclusively (amazing linux support even if binary.) You should probably try the Open Source drivers, they are really good and basically on par on older hardware. Have you unplugged the nvidia card? Also you should probably try the Catalyst legacy driver if you must use propriety. Try legacy and then apt-get purge the current drivers.
[09:28] <Thomas____> yeah the nvidias out before i took it out it wasnt showing on lspci anymore, tried using the additanly drivers thing but it doesnt find any drivers
[09:31] <daniel___> Jockey is a pin in the ass, almost never works to be honest. Just use muon, purge the current (not uninstall) the current drivers, and then install the legacy driver. Else try the OSS one,. Apart from that you might have better luck asking again later. I'm  have very little experience with catalyst.
[09:32] <mah454> Hello
[09:32] <mah454> I install qtcreator for make console application
[09:33] <mah454> I receive this message after run application :
[09:33] <mah454> Cannot connect creator comm socket /tmp/qt_temp.fJ7585/stub-socket: No such file or directory
[09:33] <mah454> How can fix this ?
[09:33] <mah454> I use KDE 4.8.2
[09:36] <daniel___> Try running with xterm or konsole. xterm almost never fails a person. I know there was a bug to do with gnome terminal and a few others: https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-1633
[09:38] <mah454> daniel___: I set konsole -e
[09:38] <mah454> not work
[09:38] <mah454> !
[09:38] <daniel___> and xterm?
[09:38] <mah454> i have not xterm
[09:39] <daniel___> Then get it and see if it works: sudo apt-get install xterm
[09:39] <brejoc> hi @all
[10:05] <aetoxx> Can I run KDE without pulseaudio?
[10:21] <livingdaylight> greetings
[10:21] <livingdaylight> what is the difference between the cd and dvd dl versions of Kubuntu?
[10:23] <livingdaylight> My Acer laptop has only 3gb or ram; hence I figure there would be no added value installing the 64-bit version. Also, could someone advise or know of whether kubuntu has been known to run well on Acer Aspire Timeline X machine?
[10:24] <livingdaylight> I fear that linux distros don't always run optimally on laptops. Ubuntu kinda killed my previous Lenovo due to overheating I'm sure. I know I tried Ubuntu a while back on this laptop and it ran quite hot and I reverted to windows where it never heated up much at all.
[10:26] <ikonia> livingdaylight: the only difference is the packages on the media
[10:26] <ikonia> livingdaylight: nothing else is different
[10:26] <ikonia> livingdaylight: the DVD has more packages available so you can install them post install without needing to use the internet to download
[10:28] <livingdaylight> ikonia, but the dvd doesn't install more apps by default? Only make them available in case of no internet, is that what you're saying?
[10:29] <ikonia> livingdaylight: makes them available for install post install
[10:30] <ikonia> livingdaylight: the actual install routine installs nothing different, exact same install as the CD
[10:30] <livingdaylight> right, so as internet is not an issue, I'll just go with cd then - thanks.
[10:30] <ikonia> no problem
[10:30] <livingdaylight> my only concern remains how it will run on a laptop. Agues, I'll find out.
[10:37] <livingdaylight> that cd dled in like 2 minutes lol
[10:37] <livingdaylight> FAST!
[11:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:40] <mydogsnameisrudy> having a few problems with thunderbird seems to lock out the upper menu buttons , im running email and calander  after some time the upper menu will not highlight but the email and cal still work
[11:45] <BluesKaj> mydogsnameisrudy, do you mean the tabs and the menubar?
[11:46] <mydogsnameisrudy> yep
[11:47] <mydogsnameisrudy> i can switch from email to calander but not the upper  menu
[11:51] <BluesKaj> my calendar opens in a tab , like an email, there's also a calendar side panel that can remain open or closed
[11:52] <BluesKaj> mydogsnameisrudy, which thunderbird version ? I'm using 14.0
[11:53] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmm cant check it ;) ill restart it
[11:53] <BluesKaj> look in help
[11:54] <mydogsnameisrudy> 13.0.1     ya thats the menu i cant get to , but restart brings it back
[11:55] <mydogsnameisrudy> now its working again
[11:56] <BluesKaj> of course I'm on 12.10 ...seems some apps are improved over their 12.04 versions
[11:57] <mydogsnameisrudy> im still 11.10
[11:57] <mydogsnameisrudy> on this laptop
[12:03] <BluesKaj> still gotta fix the hinges on our laptop , got it connected to the other monitor ..put 12.04 on it and it's running fine
[12:04] <mydogsnameisrudy> there is not irc support for thunderbird ;(
[12:06] <BluesKaj> hmm, don't see a linux thunderbird chat
[12:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> oh i can upgrade this to 14
[12:33] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok now thunderbird is upgraded ill try this a bit and see how this works
[12:36] <MySystem> hello
[12:37] <mydogsnameisrudy> hello MySystem
[12:42] <MySystem> i have a question
[12:42] <MySystem> iam owner of a very cheap display (its a half hd tv) and the vendor or producer was a bit stupid or so and the EDID data has errors, to discripe these die recommend resolution in EDID is 1280x768 (16:9) and the aspected ratio value is 16:9. how do i know that this is wrong the pixel value in the EDID is 16:10, the centimeter ratio says 16:10 and the recommend resolution is out of range
[12:42] <MySystem> to the question how do i get my default resolution 1680x1050(16:19) working it is not listed in my kubuntu12.04 build in config and also not in the newest amd radeon hd3xxx propritär driver
[12:42] <FloodBotK1> MySystem: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:42] <MySystem> oh sry a bit to late
[12:42] <MySystem> but i hope it isnt too much to flood the channel
[12:43] <MySystem> only need some time to translate in english
[12:44] <MySystem> oh this was the bot then it was too much
[12:45] <MySystem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1099984/ same text on pastebin
[12:51] <BluesKaj> MySystem, kind of connection to the monitor , digital /dvi/hdmi or vga ?
[12:53] <MySystem> oh sry graphic dvi monitor hdmi default adapter link kabel(for info the same problem was with graphic amd hd5xxx and link full hdmi
[12:53] <MySystem> full hdmi i mean on both sides hdmi connecztion
[12:56] <BluesKaj> ok , which graphics card ?, in the terminal , sudo lshw -C video
[12:56] <BluesKaj> MySystem, ^
[13:00] <MySystem> sry my wife came home had to carry the food
[13:01] <MySystem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1099996/
[13:05] <Rosbuntu> im using kubuntu 12.02
[13:05] <Rosbuntu> :D
[13:14] <BluesKaj> MySystem, this is what i found , http://linux.stairwaytoheaven.net/2009/12/linux-and-ati-radeon-3870x2.html
[13:23] <MySystem> is the use of xorg.conf not outdatet i heared xorg.conf is not used from kubuntu12.04 or exact the value will be overwritten from something of kde
[13:29] <livingdaylight_> hia
[13:30] <livingdaylight_> I removed the window, what is it called, on the Desktop where Desktop icons are kept. How can I put it back, please?
[13:33] <MySystem> i use a miniprogramm or widget dont know english word called folder view or so in english and point the folder to /home/[username]/Desktop or whats the english name
[13:33] <MySystem> but dont know if this is what you mean
[13:33] <MySystem> oh hi first
[13:33] <livingdaylight_> it comes on kubuntu by default
[13:34] <livingdaylight_> but at the time I had nothing in it and it said empty which was annoying, so I removed it
[13:34] <MySystem> then click on proberties and set the folder on which i said i think we are talking about the same widget
[13:35] <MySystem> proberties->firsttab(place i think in english) ->view place-> dropdown select desktop or however your desktop folder is named like
[13:36] <MySystem> and then ok
[13:36] <livingdaylight_> properties from what/where?
[13:37] <MySystem> for me there is a little widget toolbar directly at the side of the window that says empty
[13:38] <MySystem> in the toolbar are buttonbs to move change size refresh and proberties it is possible that sthis toolbar is not available when widgets are loked on the desktop
[13:38] <livingdaylight_> my Desktop is empty because I removed all widgets from desktop
[13:38] <MySystem> ah so this happens
[13:39] <MySystem> so you have the window which says emtpy ?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> MySystem, sorry I had to reboot into my other hdd...were you able to fix your resolution ?
[13:40] <MySystem> dont know must reboot x first
[13:40] <MySystem> but first i try to help here
[13:41] <MySystem> thx for help if you are back yyou can say then i can say if it helps
[13:42] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: hi, do you know what I'm referring to?
[13:43] <BluesKaj> MySystem, your graphics card is a difficult one to find drivers
[13:43] <MySystem> my drivers work my games dont have perfomace problems
[13:43] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, not really ..removing all widgets , why?
[13:44] <MySystem> got it from amd hp and only needed to remove the ugly watermark
[13:44] <MySystem> its the monitor which makes the problems
[13:44] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: by default kubuntu has a little plasma screen after a fresh install, right?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> MySystem, you said you had resolution troubles
[13:45] <MySystem> yes the right resolution is not listet because of the wrong EDID from monitor/tv
[13:45] <BluesKaj> the desktop plasma screen with otions , semi transparent thing , yeah
[13:46] <BluesKaj> options
[13:46] <MySystem> i also tried playing with EDID overwrite from amd driver settings but without succes the wished resolution will not appier
[13:47] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: after installing kubuntu on my laptop i removed it because it kept saying that it was empty - that's annoying. I can see it is empty without it telling me. I would have been happy to keep it, should it become useful the minute i install something and it wants to leave an icon on the desktop in which case that comes handy, but with it shouting at me 'empty' i removed it. I now installed something and
[13:47] <livingdaylight_> don't have it on desktop and wondering how to put that plasma thingy back
[13:47] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: cool, options where?
[13:47] <BluesKaj> what about using an xorg.conf file with EDID settings , MySystem , or is that even possible ?
[13:49] <MySystem> it is possible to write own EDID in xorg.conf ??? dont know that and doesnt find something on xorg wiki
[13:49] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, sorry, dunno , never used it after removing ...don't feel the nedd for it , instaed of desktop icons Iuse quicklaunch in the panel
[13:50] <BluesKaj> I use quicklaunchers , actually
[13:50] <MySystem> living try dolphin adress /home/username/desktop there can be the files you are searching for
[13:51] <MySystem> blues can you confirm that i can write own EDIDs in xorg.conf but if i go for a google
[13:51] <MySystem> and find good values
[13:51] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: I normally keep my Desktop as clear as possible too. but I have a couple .jnlp files that once java-webstart launches them creates desktop icons for and are useful for launching from Desktop otherwise one has to fetch them in their respective folders each time to launch them with webstart each time
[13:56] <BluesKaj> i found a "show desktop " widget , dunno if that's it , livingdaylight_
[13:57] <MySystem> i thinbk blues you pushed me in the right direction found a value "Option "IgnoreEDID" "1"" and will try imidiently
[13:58] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: that I have in the panel already. small blue rectangular icon, is it? It minimizes all applications/windows and reveals the desktop at a click. So, that is different
[13:58] <MySystem> lots of thx blueskaj if iam not back in 10 min i have to fix a blank screen but this is np going to reboot with this option
[13:58] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, yeah , that's the one ...ok
[13:58] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: I went through the widgets list and none of the widgets jump out as being the transparent plasma thingy
[13:59] <livingdaylight_> weird
[13:59] <BluesKaj> what about searching in get "new widgets "
[14:03] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: thanks. I'll keep looking
[14:05] <livingdaylight_> Another thing. Installed guake but it puts me in home /Documents by default rather than just home. Never had that happen to me with guake before.
[14:12] <BluesKaj> hmm, had a freeze , first time I've seen that on 12.10 , but there was a large upgrade today with plasma libs etc
[14:13] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: you're on 12.10 already? How is it?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, quite good actually , much better than my experience with 12.04 alphas
[14:16] <livingdaylight_> cool
[14:17] <BluesKaj> the libreoffice upgrades is being held back atm , altho LO still works
[14:18] <livingdaylight_> I've installed kubuntu on Acer Aspire Timeline X after windows got affected by virus. My reticence installing *buntu before was due in part with having tried it before, longtime ago, and machine really heating up. I think I killed my previous lenove over a couple years running Ubuntu on it that used to get red-hot. But so far this machine hasn't heated up too much yet.
[14:19] <livingdaylight_> I don't know what sensors are responsible for keeping in touch with the temperature and maintaining homeostasis as it were.
[14:20] <c2tarun> anyone sharing internet b/w two machines using wifi??
[14:20] <livingdaylight_> I've always been happy to run my desktops on Linux over the years but more nervous with laptops where they seem more designed as it were for windows
[14:20] <BluesKaj> I have an old acer extensa , and it runs cool on 12.04 ...there are problems with the power settings in ubuntu from what I've seen in the chat
[14:21] <livingdaylight_> c2tarun: two laptops sharing over a wireless network here, yes.
[14:22] <c2tarun> livingdaylight_: are you also sharing internet b/w them? I mean not using wifi router. Is it like your one machine have internet and second is using that?
[14:22] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: indeed that seems to be issue often with laptops + Linux-distros. Getting all the function keys to work and power management
[14:22] <BluesKaj> c2tarun, we had 4 laptops running here a few yrs back , on one reouter
[14:22] <livingdaylight_> c2tarun: sorry, I don't think I follow. I think the answer would have to be no.
[14:23] <c2tarun> I exactly want to do as mentioned in the document. but i am not able to follow whaat is written there. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/ShareEthernetConnectionThroughWireless
[14:25] <c2tarun> is there any networking related channel for ubuntu/kubuntu?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> c2tarun, try ##networking
[14:30] <c2tarun> BluesKaj: thanks
[14:31] <BluesKaj> I see references to IP tables so there's linux stuff being discussed there
[14:31] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: ok, resolved
[14:32] <livingdaylight_> Its called "Folder View"
[14:32] <BluesKaj> ok , right
[14:32] <livingdaylight_> the easiest way to get it back is to open the file manager (dolphin), locate the desktop folder in your home dir, then drag it to the desktop
[14:32] <livingdaylight_> choose "Folder View" when prompted and voila'
[14:32] <livingdaylight_> if anyone else ever needs to know ;)
[14:33] <BluesKaj> the folderview never works right from the panel here , tried to set it "always on top" but a lot of the folders are hidden under the panel and there's no scrollbar
[14:34] <BluesKaj> so i settled for a dolphin launcher in the panel
[14:36] <livingdaylight_> how to we show hhidden files in Dolphin, please? in Nautilus it is simply ctrl. + 'h'
[14:39] <livingdaylight_> alt + ok
[14:46] <MySystem> do anybody know if there is an log of xorg.conf use in kubuntu12.04
[14:47] <BluesKaj> alt+ what ?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> MySystem,  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:50] <MySystem> not the config itself i search the log from starting and interpreting xorg.conf
[14:52] <dougl> recently installed 12.04 then upgraded kernel to 3.4 (I think with a dpkg command) and it broke my X/nvidia config and now I am booting to working X environment from grub but I dont have any desktop effects (wobbly windows and rotating cube) - google yield little for my specifics... any suggestions?
[14:52] <BluesKaj>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log , MySystem
[14:52] <MySystem> thx
[14:54] <BluesKaj> dougl, dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[14:56] <BluesKaj> \need to know which driver is in use , dougl
[14:56] <dougl> BluesKaj, thanks - there is a bit of output... http://pastebin.com/qzDSZr9v
[14:57] <dougl> can you see the pastebin for output?
[14:57] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: alt+.
[14:58] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, right , I'd forgotten , thanks
[15:00] <BluesKaj> yes dougl you have the 295 driver , and which nvidia card ?
[15:00] <dougl> BluesKaj, 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 220] (rev a2)
[15:08] <BluesKaj> dougl, dougl is the nvidia-current driver installed , alt+f2 . jockey , choose the recommended driver , think it's the 302 for your card
[15:12] <dougl> thanks BluesKaj
[15:12] <BluesKaj> dougl, thank me if it works for you :)
[15:13] <BluesKaj> you will need to reboot
[15:13] <BluesKaj> if it installs the newer driver
[15:14] <dougl> err... lol - not sure whats up with my machine but Alt+f2 I was expecting a tty login screen but nothing happened... I wonder why my kubuntu does not work like anyone elses BluesKaj
[15:15] <BluesKaj> dougl, right click on the desktop , type jockey
[15:15] <BluesKaj> in the run command , dougl
[15:17] <dougl> BluesKaj, that brings up the additional drivers dialogue box right?
[15:17] <BluesKaj> yes
[15:18] <dougl> BluesKaj, ok I am installing the recommended drivers and going to reboot - right?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> yes
[15:19] <BluesKaj> activate them to install
[15:22] <dougl> BluesKaj, thanks for your help - gonna give it a reboot now and see what happens
[15:29] <dougl> BluesKaj, no effect on effects - :)
[15:30] <BluesKaj> dougl, ??
[15:32] <dougl> BluesKaj, activated recommended drivers and rebooted and still have no desktop cube or wobbly windows effects :(
[15:33] <BluesKaj> dougl, do you receive any notification that the effects aren't available when you try to set them ?
[15:37] <dougl> BluesKaj, yes a little popup that lists a few more than half a dozen effects that cannot be started - ??
[15:40] <BluesKaj> dougl, perhaps an update and upgrade are in order
[15:41] <dougl> BluesKaj, will try anything once - I guess and update since I am already at 12.04 right?
[15:45] <BluesKaj> dougl, you really should update/upgrade/distupgrade , once/week or so.
[15:47] <BluesKaj> dougl, updating and upgrading just means the packages are updated to the latest stable developments
[15:48] <dougl> BluesKaj, I was just going thru muon update manager and checking for updates and installing them at suggested frequency - is that the same or is there a more comprehensive command line to use?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> dougl, muon is ok for upgrades yes , but I like to distupgrade periodically as well , and i'm so used to the cli that I'm not sure whether muon uses that option
[15:50] <BluesKaj> I use package mangers for referencing packages etc
[15:50] <BluesKaj> the cli to install them
[15:51] <BluesKaj> or remove
[15:51] <dougl> BluesKaj, ah - gotcha
[15:51]  * dougl is googling distupgrade kubuntu
[15:52] <BluesKaj> actually dist-upgrade
[15:52] <dougl> BluesKaj, k - thanks
[15:54] <dougl> dist-upgrade: command not found
[15:54] <livingdaylight_> ubuntu offers to install skype via software centre after dl from their homepage. I notice kubuntu doesn't. So, have to install the package old-school style
[15:54] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:55] <livingdaylight_> can someone remind me please? sudo dpkg -i application.deb ?
[15:55] <dougl> BluesKaj, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[15:55]  * dougl appreciates BluesKaj's help
[15:55] <BluesKaj> dougl, then you're up to dtae
[15:57] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, sudo dpkg -i nameofapplication , you can use it instead of apt-get if you wish
[15:57] <dougl> but there is a command not found when I dist-upgrade
[15:57] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: thanks for confirming that
[15:58] <BluesKaj> dougl, you need to use , sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:58] <BluesKaj> dist-upgrade is a command linked to apt-get , just like install, remove, update etc
[15:59] <dougl> BluesKaj, that is what I did and got the output = 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded ie nothing installed
[15:59] <dougl> Unable to locate package dist-upgrade
[15:59] <dougl> when I sudo apt-get install dist-upgrade
[16:01] <BluesKaj> no,  install calls for a package argument not another upgrade
[16:01] <dougl> ?
[16:02] <dougl> ah...
[16:02] <dougl> ok
[16:02] <dougl> got it
[16:02] <BluesKaj> dougl, so the command is: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ...that command upgrades the kde packages etc
[16:02] <dougl> dist-upgrade instead of install... sorry
[16:02] <dougl> right
[16:02] <dougl> thanks
[16:02] <BluesKaj> noneed to be sorry :)
[16:03] <dougl> lol
[16:03] <BluesKaj> !apt-get | dougl
[16:03] <dougl> just feel your frustration with me - or so I think :)
[16:04] <Husar> Hi, im looking for tools that will backup all my system, and allow me after to restole system, settings, data. Hm?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> dougl, not at all , I'm happy to help a fellow canuck linux user , there aren't that many around
[16:04]  * dougl always enjoys/learns while chatting with BluesKaj 
[16:04] <dougl> Many thanks :)
[16:05] <BluesKaj> ok , dougl run,  apt-cache policy nvidia-current
[16:05] <dougl> BluesKaj, still 295.04.... sec for pastebin
[16:06] <BluesKaj> dougl, that's fine
[16:06] <dougl> ok
[16:06] <BluesKaj> I guess , the recommended driver isn't so wonderful after all
[16:06] <dougl> lol
[16:08] <BluesKaj> dougl, do you have a post install driver listed in jockey , it may be called experimental
[16:09] <dougl> BluesKaj, I believe so = checking
[16:09] <dougl> yes I do
[16:10] <BluesKaj> ok , let's try that one , is it the 302.17 .if it displays a number ?
[16:11] <dougl> BluesKaj, it had no number but am installing now
[16:11] <BluesKaj> ok . it might work for you
[16:12] <BluesKaj> local news is on ...wife wants to watch it ...I'm using this tv as my monitor atm ...bbiab
[16:12] <livingdaylight_> not very impressed with dragon player for video. Crashed first time and not many options. Is there another player people in kde land generally go for ? like vlc I suppose
[16:13] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_,  I use VLC
[16:13] <livingdaylight_> cool BluesKaj
[16:33] <BluesKaj> ok dougl , back ..how's new driver ?
[16:34] <dougl> BluesKaj, same = no effects and that nvidia-current/cache command reported 295.40 still too - thanks for askin :)
[16:36] <BluesKaj> dougl, are you using the activate button in jockey on the driver?
[16:36] <dougl> BluesKaj, yes
[16:38] <Reindeernix> I installed plasma active but t doesn't appear in the kdm session list and plasma active crashes when I use startactive
[16:38] <BluesKaj> odd , jocket should remove the present driver and install the chosen one , this doesn't make sense
[16:38] <BluesKaj> err jockey
[16:39] <dougl> I am contemplating just installing 12.04 again but that seems alot like a windows/MS solution not linux - lol
[16:39] <Reindeernix> ust switch completely to kubuntu x) lol
[16:39] <Reindeernix> just* hmm my keybard is weird again O.o
[16:40] <dougl> Reindeernix, I switched to ubuntu at 10.10... switched to linux at redhat 5.2
[16:41] <ed234567654> hi, does anyone know any good program that can record desktop session as a video file, screen capture in other words, google search comes with results from 2010, several "recomened" programs I tried did not even run on my system (latest kubuntu, 64bit) any help is appreciated
[16:41] <dougl> lol - cant go wrong with linux = comes with a money back guarantee
[16:41] <Reindeernix> oh i just seemed like you used windows :)
[16:41] <Reindeernix> hehe
[16:41] <BluesKaj> dougl, , no there's another method but it means dropping to a TTY , stopping kdm , removing the nvidia-current driver , then installing the 302.17   , we need the exact name for it and it will probly nedd to be downloaded from the nvidia site
[16:41] <dougl> I do - for a sound server and printer server
[16:42] <livingdaylight_> Hia
[16:42] <BluesKaj> ed234567654, "record my desktop", I think
[16:42] <dougl> BluesKaj, old school = that is cool... if you have the patience I have the time.
[16:43] <ed234567654> no didnt work, I think I got wrong architecture error
[16:43] <livingdaylight_> I'm getting this error on startup. I have no idea what or why: Personal Contacts: Directory '/home/caveman/.local/share/contacts/' does not exists Someonen know how to resolve this, please? :s
[16:43] <BluesKaj> dougl, look in muon for nvidia , check for the 302.17 driver
[16:44] <BluesKaj> caveman?
[16:45] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: my username :)
[16:46] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, right , i should have guessed ...are you running kmail ?
[16:46] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: no
[16:46] <BluesKaj> any PIMs?
[16:46] <livingdaylight_> PIMs ?
[16:47] <BluesKaj> like kontact etc
[16:47] <livingdaylight_> no no
[16:47] <BluesKaj> so akonadi is disabled ?
[16:47] <livingdaylight_> I don't know what akonadi is
[16:48] <livingdaylight_> not aware of having launched it
[16:48] <livingdaylight_> I don't use any of that old school email client etc
[16:48] <livingdaylight_> just gmail
[16:49] <BluesKaj> it's a database server for PIM , that's installed by default , for ppl who use kubuntu on the job
[16:49] <livingdaylight_> can I remove it?
[16:49] <dougl> BluesKaj, not in muon.. got it from the site gonna kill kdm and install from tty and restart kdm and see where I am... talk to you in a sec
[16:49] <livingdaylight_> I certainly don't want that error hanging over me every time
[16:49] <BluesKaj> open the kmenu and type akon in the searchbox
[16:51] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: ok that gives a bunch of options
[16:51] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, then open the akonadi server , and make sure it's turned off
[16:52] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: ok
[16:52] <livingdaylight_> i clicked on stop and it says its not running
[16:54] <BluesKaj> ok , now open system settings , look for desktop search , if you don't intend to that feature then turn nepomuk off as well
[16:54] <BluesKaj> use
[17:00] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: ok, I've disabled nepomuk
[17:01] <livingdaylight_> brb, reboot
[17:01] <dougl> BluesKaj, installed NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-302.17.run from shell and restarted computer... funny thing the install script reported that it was already installed but went thru the motions anyway and let the script config my x too... how do I check what ver x is using
[17:02] <dougl> nvidia-setting report 302.17
[17:02] <dougl> reports
[17:02] <dougl> but still no effects
[17:03] <BluesKaj> dougl, you have to go in a set the effects again
[17:04] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: hi, unfortunately, still getting that message
[17:05] <BluesKaj> dougl, in the terminal ,  glxinfo | grep OpenGL , it may ask you to install mesa-utils
[17:08] <BluesKaj> dougl, did you drop to the TTY , sudo service kdm stop , remove nvidia-current then install the 302 driver , sudo nvidia-xconfig , then startx ?
[17:09] <livingdaylight_> a couple other bugs: Notification says there are upgrades available, but there really aren't. Another slightly more annoying niggle is guake which appears to land me in home/documents by default when clearly HOME is homebase from which a termimal starts
[17:11] <livingdaylight_> they're minor but gnaw at my confidence in the system as I don't know why all these little things are 'off' when its nice to have everything as it should be.
[17:13] <BluesKaj> yeah livingdaylight_upgrade notication is a bug , that's why i turn it off in muon
[17:13] <dougl> BluesKaj> dougl, did you drop to the TTY , sudo service kdm stop , remove nvidia-current then install the 302 driver , sudo nvidia-xconfig , then startx ? yes :)
[17:14] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: oh, please tell me how?
[17:14] <livingdaylight_> i'm in muon now reinstalling guake. Hopefully, that will fix it
[17:14] <BluesKaj> I usually update/upgrade everyday so I don't bother with muon much
[17:15] <livingdaylight_> so, how do you disable notification icon?
[17:15] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, oh c'mon do i have to hold your hand :) open muon and look around
[17:29] <dougla> BluesKaj, booting kubunut 12.04 install disk now - clean install? lol
[17:30] <BluesKaj> dougla, dunno if that will , altho the default nouveau driver might work for you . without installing the nvidia-current
[17:31] <dougla> BluesKaj, yeah worked out of the box for me? I only switched to nviidia drivers cuz of a system hanging/crashing issue.
[17:33] <BluesKaj> I suggest you try the nouveau, hang on , think I have a procedure for that
[17:38] <BluesKaj> dougla, what does open string list , glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[17:39] <dougla> 302.17
[17:40] <BluesKaj> then the dtiver is in use
[17:40] <dougla> grub is all messed up on that install too? just a bunk box now
[17:42] <BluesKaj> what composting type and Qtgraphics sytem , do you have in desktop effects>advanced ?
[17:43] <dougla> dunno anymore - am reinstalling.
[17:45] <BluesKaj> too bad , I think thathose settings might have been wrong
[17:45] <dougla> k - have not done partition yet? will cancel and go check
[17:49] <dougla> how long should it take to check disk for defects - this is rediculous
[17:53] <livingdaylight_> too many niggle bugs and things not working for me with kubuntu on this machine. Shame, I always come to kubuntu to give it another go, like it, but something lets me down
[17:54] <livingdaylight_> some jnlp's are not playing properly, although they work in Ubuntu, so, strange...
[17:59] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras , and kubuntu-restricted-addons
[17:59] <livingdaylight_> restricted extras yes, wasn't aware of restricted addons
[18:06] <BluesKaj> dougla, still defect checking ?
[18:06] <dougla> yes
[18:07] <dougla> started new disk? now it is listing the deb files as it it checking so I guess it is working
[18:07] <dougla> but seriously I think I downloaded it faster than it is checking
[18:21] <dougl> BluesKaj, k - am at old install now
[18:23] <dougl> BluesKaj, changed from xrender to opengl and now my effects work - thanks :)
[18:23] <BluesKaj> dougl, np :)
[18:23] <dougl> I wish I could clean up grub tho... dont even get the menu and left shift is hit and miss
[18:24] <BluesKaj> dougl, sudo update-grub
[18:28] <dougl> BluesKaj, thanks - found all the linux kernels but that is the problem it is booting 3.4 kernel and I want to get rid of that one and do /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-26-generic
[18:29] <dougl> I made a mistake of installing a kernel via dpkg and it kinda borked my system
[18:31] <dougl> I did this "sudo dpkg -i linux*.deb" where the files are and now I want to undo it - is that possible?
[18:34] <BluesKaj> dougl, install kde-config-grub2 , then in startup and shutdown you'll have grub gui with all kinds of option , kernel removal incluses , but why regress to an older kernel , it can be dangerous
[18:39] <BluesKaj> dougl, sudo dpkg -i linux*.deb , I'm not familiar with that command , where did you get that from ?
[18:40] <dougl> BluesKaj, LOL copied and pasted from the site where I dl the deb files - 3 of them
[18:41] <BluesKaj> somebody's ppas ?
[18:42] <dougl> I did install kde-config-grub2 and configured but did not seem to take effect... yes someone I forget where tho
[18:42] <dougl> cant seem to find it in my history either
[18:42] <dougl> browser history
[18:43] <BluesKaj> system settings >startup and shutdown , you may need to close system settings and reopen it
[18:45] <dougl> BluesKaj, thanks - gonna check now - brb
[18:49] <dougl> like a charm - thank BluesKaj appreciate all your time and effort :)
[18:50] <dougl> still do not get  a grub menu but after removing the 3.4 kernel stuff 3.2.26 is the default which is what I wanted to select with the menu.
[18:50] <BluesKaj> dougl, np , glad to help :) We need more kubuntu users with your patience and resolve.
[18:51] <dougl> yeah - not too sure why there is not more kubuntu activity... I was surprised...
[18:52] <dougl> I thot is was the install ie I had to text install my kubuntu 12.04... I have had easier root canals :)
[18:52] <BluesKaj> dougl, well , unity problems are sending more and more ppl to kde/kubuntu ...the desktop splintering there is our benefit
[18:53] <dougl> KDE very pretty - Unity - Ugh!
[18:54] <BluesKaj> yup
[18:55] <dougl> todays machines can handle KDE... it is the flagship of my desk - between an XP machine and an OSX box.
[18:55] <BluesKaj> since I've been on kubuntu the nick population here averages over 100 more than it used to before unity
[18:56] <dougl> too funny.
[18:58] <BluesKaj> my other pc mobo died , unfortunately I don't think it' worth restoring, but wife has her own windows7 pc , and we have a laptop which I think I may dual boot ... had trouble hotel networks wifi with just kubuntu
[18:59] <BluesKaj> when we travel , so windows may have to be put on it
[19:00] <dougl> yeah I keep kubuntu and windows on notebook just for hotels/netflix
[19:01] <BluesKaj> yeah,it's a necessary option
[19:03] <dougl> yeah and it is not as bad anymore I don't think... not sure if MS is getting better or my expectations have dropped (I do more on the Linux and OSX than Windows)
[19:04] <dougl> I was self absorbed what was livingdaylight having issues with?
[19:05] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, did addons help ?
[19:06]  * dougl reading buffer - had same issue with contacts...
[19:07] <livingdaylight_> couldn't find addons btw, BluesKaj  but had the kubuntu-restriced installed. But the problem doesn't lie there.
[19:07] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: I need to run OANDAs fxtrade platform which requires java. I did install oracle's java7 but still getting issues running their jnlp file
[19:07] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: https://fxtrade.oanda.com/community/forex-forum/topic/17006161/?page=2#post-5383293
[19:08] <dougl> livingdaylight, why not just 'touch' the file to create it and be done with the error?
[19:08] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: seems I'm not the only one, although, OANDA seem to think it should work with openjdk even. but if it doesn't with oracle doubt it will with openjdk
[19:09] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: funnily enough it just about works in Ubuntu  (on my Desktop) so, it seems its very temperamental
[19:09] <livingdaylight_> dougl: what file you referring to?
[19:10] <BluesKaj> well now , seems to me the ub7untu guys were talking about open jdk works well vs oracles' version
[19:10] <dougl> livingdaylight, lol - the contacts file the message was refering to... maybe I misunderstood?
[19:11] <livingdaylight_> maybe I should purge oracle and give openjdk a whirl
[19:11] <livingdaylight_> dougl: oh, that was another issue. Disabling notification helper seems to have taken care of it. At least it didn't pop up on last reboot.
[19:12] <dougl> ok - I have or have had that issue not sure if I still do
[19:12] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: having said that on Ubuntu its with Oracles version that I got it working, so it does work with Oracle. Hence I was trying to reproduce the success with kubuntu onlaptop
[19:13] <livingdaylight_> I'm thinking it could be a kde vs gnome thing somehow?
[19:13] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, well , I'm not an "active" java user , I just make sure i have the correct version , normally the default
[19:15] <livingdaylight_> BluesKaj: yea, unfortunately, I am. Need real-world applications to work in Ubuntu, otherwise I'd use something like gnewsense or that other libre-distro trisquel
[19:15] <BluesKaj> yes , kde vs gnome may be a factor
[19:17] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight_, I know it is in many areas like  multimedia
[19:17] <livingdaylight_> may give chakra a quick whirl just to prove that its kde. Would be a shame because kde seems to suit the laptop better than gnome. Been running kubuntu all day here and laptop is cool, compared to when I was running Ubuntu and fan was constantly on and system baking
[19:18] <BluesKaj> chakra is ok , kinda boring for the likes of me , very stable \
[19:18] <livingdaylight_> you like unstable?
[19:20] <livingdaylight_> I like things to just work and to be stable - don't like bugs in my os coz i'm not a developer, guess, you are?
[19:20] <BluesKaj> I have 12.04 on another drive , running 12.10 on this one , and I like to see changes, developments , evolution etc etc .
[19:21] <livingdaylight_> I do too, but want it both ways, coz I don't enjoy the problems, lol
[19:22] <BluesKaj> i learn more when I'm challenged , like most ppl ...and I'm retired so it's kind of my hobby beside music
[19:22] <livingdaylight_> but wouldn't a rolling distro be the most cutting edge. Not having to wait for 6 monyths for the next release
[19:22] <BluesKaj> besides
[19:24] <BluesKaj> rolling distros don't have signposts or landmarks , refernce points etc , which I prefer
[19:24] <livingdaylight_> gotcha
[19:27] <BluesKaj> I had a couple of desktop feezes and glitches after a large upgrade this morning , had some broken depends , but the missing libs came doen the pipe a few hrs later, now all seems stable agian
[19:30] <IdleOne> Could someone please tell me how I get kopete to stop loading on boot. I can't find the setting anywhere?
[19:32] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, yeah i had that for a while , think it just stopped after an update/upgrade or did I remove it ..don't recall exactly
[19:32] <dougl> IdleOne, you checked under system settings startup/shutdown?
[19:33] <MySystem> blueskaj thx for the tip with the xorg.conf and there log i think with that i can fix it but for today i give up some of the edid overwrites seems to work some not but the manual mode add seems to work with a few changes i think atm i get
[19:33] <MySystem> [    32.130] (II) fglrx(0): Not using mode "1680x1050" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[19:33] <MySystem> think the right overwrite edid isnt aktive or the values a gatherd from the log arent right
[19:33] <IdleOne> dougl: I have, it isn't in the start up items
[19:33] <dougl> and in kopete options is too obvious I guess?
[19:34] <dougl> not sure dont use kopete
[19:34] <IdleOne> I have looked and didn't see it there either. I might have missed it but not sure how I would
[19:34] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, do you use kopete ? I have to ask :)
[19:34] <IdleOne> BluesKaj: I don't
[19:34] <IdleOne> this is why it bugs me so much lol
[19:35] <BluesKaj> just remove it
[19:35] <IdleOne> that would be too simple
[19:36] <IdleOne> but I think I will
[19:36] <MySystem> have fun and good evening
[19:36] <dougl> lol - kinda like the guy who call tech suupport about his computer issues that were resolved when he plugged it in
[19:36] <BluesKaj> or purge it then install again after a reboot
[19:37] <IdleOne> dougl: it just bugs me that this application decided on its own to startup on boot and I can't find a way to disable it.
[19:37] <IdleOne> anyway, removed.
[19:37] <BluesKaj> your koptete config file is probly set to auto launch
[19:38] <BluesKaj> or was :)
[19:38] <IdleOne> thing is I never use kopete
[19:38] <dougl> IdleOne, agreed
[19:38] <dougl> frustrating
[19:38] <BluesKaj> tried empathy the other day ..what a clunker
[19:39] <dougl> mail right
[19:39] <IdleOne> thanks for answering folks :)
[19:39] <markus_> in miro and vlc the screensaver is turning on all the time. is there a way to stop that?
[19:40] <BluesKaj> the guys at kubuntu-devel are spending a lotta time on empathy ...to me it's an absolute waste
[19:42] <BluesKaj> markus_  is it a laptop ?
[19:42] <markus_> no. my desktop pc
[19:46] <BluesKaj> markus_, ok , system settings>power manager>energy saving , set the screen energy saving to 185 mins , same for your screensaver in Display& Monitor . in power management make sure , all the other settings are unchecked in 'energy saving' , except for "screen energy saving "
[19:47] <markus_> BluesKaj: thanks. trying that righ tnow
[20:10] <kst_> hellow
[20:58] <DJRWolf> when trying to install kubuntu and Ultimate Edition (under the Ubuntu tree) I keep running into the "unable to find live file system" error, I disconnected the 3 main HDD's on SATA1-3 and have the unformatted drive I'm trying to install to on SATA4, would putting the HDD into an external USB encoure do any good?
[21:26] <merlin1991> okay guys, is there browser that is not chrome does not suck as much as rekonq and has proper kde integration unlike firefox?
[21:38] <Avihay> depends on what you call proper kde integration. FF works fine imho, I use it as my main browser. chromium works fine, you might also want to try opera I guess
[22:26] <Daskreech> I've found an annoying bug in kaffiene where if you pause at the last second of something playing Kaffiene no longer knows what to do with a media file
[22:29] <merlin1991> Avihay: by proper kde integration I mean that it properly auto launches applicaitons depending on mime type, uses the global transfer ui fro dls ...
[22:32] <Avihay> it asks me what to open with, it learns. it rarely bugs me
[22:38] <CanauckTux> can you help me
[22:40] <CanauckTux> akonadi agent is throwing errors everywhere
[22:41] <Avihay> you may want to post... nvm
[22:42] <Avihay> CanauckTux:  you may want to post the errors so that it'll be easier to answer the first question
[22:43] <CanauckTux> Executable: akonadi_mailfilter_agent PID: 3631 Signal: Aborted
[22:44] <CanauckTux> Executable: akonadi_maildispatcher_agent PID: 3907 Signal: Aborted (6)
[22:44] <CanauckTux> Executable: akonadi_nepomuk_feeder PID: 3637 Signal: Aborted (6)
[22:44] <CanauckTux> they keep popping up
[22:45] <CanauckTux> and they are using almost alll of my 6 gB of ram
[22:45] <CanauckTux> and they are using alot of CPU
[22:45] <Avihay> that's defiantly wrong
[22:46] <CanauckTux> mail dispatcher agent is using 1.9 gigs of ram now
[22:46] <CanauckTux> nepomuk feeder is at 2 gigs and rising
[22:46] <Avihay> in your place, I guess I'd try to catch who is the process that spawns them (parent process in system-monitor), and kill it
[22:47] <CanauckTux> mailfilter agent is around 1.4
[22:47] <Avihay> or use a gentler method like the via the akondiTrey applet
[22:48] <Avihay> is it possible that they are useing your entire memory and then crash because they can't allocate any more?
[22:48] <CanauckTux> maybe
[22:48] <CanauckTux> the are going into swap aswell
[22:49] <CanauckTux> so that could do it
[22:49] <CanauckTux> mail indicator is also linked to quassel irc, which I am using
[22:49] <CanauckTux> maybe that is spawning it?
[22:50] <Avihay> most likely it's a process called akondaiserver
[22:51] <CanauckTux> that seemed to do the trick
[22:51] <merlin1991> mail indicator <> quassel irc wtf?
[22:51] <Avihay> you should have an akondayTrey applet in your system tray. if you right-click it, there's a stop akondai option
[22:52] <Avihay> umm, that solved it?
[22:52] <CanauckTux> the message indicator has quassel IRC linked to it
[22:52] <Avihay> so you killed the akondaiserver?
[22:53] <CanauckTux> I killed akonadai server
[22:53] <Avihay> try running it again, I suggest from krunner (alt+f2)
[22:53] <CanauckTux> also, is the startup disk creator working for you?
[22:54] <CanauckTux> i ran the AS config
[22:54] <CanauckTux> and hit "Test"
[22:55] <CanauckTux> errors everywhere
[22:55]  * merlin1991 suggests memtest ;)
[22:56] <CanauckTux> I hada friend do memtest on my RAM a while ago (the rest of my computers componetns hadn't come in)
[22:56] <CanauckTux> he said it had no errors
[22:57] <merlin1991> sha1sum on the disk you used to install kubuntu? :D
[22:57] <CanauckTux> ?
[22:57] <merlin1991> well I had a really fucked up system once and I came from a bad dvd used as installation medium
[22:58] <CanauckTux> that could do it
[22:58] <CanauckTux> the usb drive seemed to have corrupted the bios for my mobo when I load it on
[22:59] <CanauckTux> It is a sandisk ultra backup 16gb
[23:00] <merlin1991> well when you boot from it afaik there should be an option to check its integrity
[23:00] <CanauckTux> how do I check a USB drive for reliabiltiy?
[23:01] <CanauckTux> I need to use it to put another OS on this computer (accidentally put a 32-bit version of kubuntu that was 2 years old on)
[23:04] <merlin1991> if you make the bootable stick you have an option in the menu where you select to install kbunutu / do something else that checks all the data on the stick / dvd
[23:04] <merlin1991> if that goes through without errors you should be good to install from the stick
[23:07] <CanauckTux> The startup creator doesn't select my .iso
[23:07] <CanauckTux> unetbootin had an issue with archbang
[23:08] <merlin1991> I dunno, my usual "startupcreator" is dd if=someiso of=/dev/something :D
[23:08] <CanauckTux> startup disk creator sees 5 flash drives when there is only one
[23:09] <merlin1991> sure it's not 5 partitions on 1 flash drive?
[23:10] <CanauckTux> I just formatted it
[23:10] <CanauckTux> and the ubuntu version of the program (same name) doesn't do this
[23:11] <CanauckTux> ...neither does any programs that look at the disk
[23:12] <BarkingFish> Evening guys. Anyone got any idea why the full update of firefox hasn't gone out please? I have apper updates stating that the locale pack for english for 14.0.1 is out, and the xul-ubufox thing is too, but no sign of firefox 14.0.1 itself.
[23:28] <CanauckTux> umm. kubuntu just crashed and logged me out unexpetdly
[23:28] <CanauckTux> help?
[23:33] <BarkingFish> CanauckTux, did you get any sort of message - like a crash message from kcrash, or something like that?
[23:33] <CanauckTux> I don't think so
[23:33] <CanauckTux> I'll check the logs
[23:34] <BarkingFish> Could you also tell me, while you are searching your logs, what you were running at the time of the crash (if anything) please?
[23:34] <CanauckTux> where is the log file viewer in KDE?
[23:35] <CanauckTux> kopete, ff, dolphin quassel irc, qasmixer,
[23:35] <CanauckTux> and transmission
[23:35] <BarkingFish> in the K menu under System, KSystemLogViewer
[23:36] <CanauckTux> not there on mine
[23:37] <CanauckTux> wait, I got it
[23:39] <CanauckTux> 19/07/12 07:26:59 PM	Omri	kernel	[ 8903.497410] [fglrx] IRQ 62 Disabled
[23:39] <CanauckTux> driver seemed to disable right before xserver crashed
[23:40] <CanauckTux> (fglrx is the amd video driver)
[23:40] <CanauckTux> wait, a bit farther up it shows that akonadai used up all the memory
[23:40] <CanauckTux> was it acting like a fork bomb or something?
[23:41] <BarkingFish> Hm
[23:42] <BarkingFish> I don't know what a fork bomb is, but I've never seen akonadi kill a session before
[23:44] <CanauckTux> more data
[23:44] <CanauckTux> http://paste.kde.org/520346/
[23:44] <CanauckTux> here
[23:44] <CanauckTux> the second before the crash
[23:44] <BarkingFish> thanks
[23:44] <BarkingFish> give me a moment
[23:45] <CanauckTux> kay
[23:45] <CanauckTux> also, it seems that x.org log mentions
[23:45] <CanauckTux> 	Information	[  8907.179] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Eee PC WMI hotkeys" (type: KEYBOARD, id 9)
[23:46] <CanauckTux> I am only using a ps/2 ibm model-m keyboard
[23:46] <CanauckTux> no EEEpc
[23:46] <CanauckTux> no extra hotkeys
[23:47] <BarkingFish> firefox crashed, looks like whatever you were doing in it caused a futile exercise to occur - following that, kded went down and everything else followed
[23:48] <BarkingFish> a futile exercise is best described as trying to do something which will never, ever happen - like getting stuck in a loop, looking for an exit, only to find there is no exit
[23:48] <CanauckTux> uh oh
[23:48] <BarkingFish> yeah, and kded went too with a memory allocation error, it started as out of memory.
[23:49] <CanauckTux> should I click on items in my history and see if happens again?
[23:49] <CanauckTux> or would that be bad?
[23:49] <BarkingFish> Possibly you had one of your processes go bad
[23:50] <BarkingFish> I would start by opening each of those programmes one at a time, starting with the one you suspect of causing the issue - eg Firefox, and if firefox stays open, go back to whatever you were doing in it, and watch the results.
[23:50] <CanauckTux> I also have an old networking card hooked up to a laptop, I was gonna try to daisy chain onto the internet
[23:51] <Daskreech> CanauckTux: do you have akonadi console installed?
[23:51] <CanauckTux> I don't think so
[23:52] <CanauckTux> should I go get it now?
[23:52] <BarkingFish> i also note right before x died, as you say, fglrx went, but before that, gdbus was also killed
[23:53] <CanauckTux> also, in my x.org log, it lists an eepc keyboard
[23:53] <CanauckTux> why would it do this?
[23:53] <CanauckTux> I only have a 101-key ps/2 standard keyboard
[23:53] <CanauckTux> 	Information	[  8907.179] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Eee PC WMI hotkeys" (type: KEYBOARD, id 9)
[23:55] <Daskreech> CanauckTux: No just checking. Might have been able to track down the akonadiserver cpu usage
[23:58] <CanauckTux> still, why is eeepc hotkeys showing up on my inputs?
[23:58] <CanauckTux> I don't know why they would be there