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desrtrobert_ancell: erm.00:32
desrtrobert_ancell: are we carrying bogus debian patches?00:32
robert_ancelldesrt, I guess00:32
desrtsucks :)00:32
robert_ancellchrisccoulson, ping01:54
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chrisccoulsonhi robert_ancell02:13
robert_ancellchrisccoulson, hey, was playing around with the gnome-session update - do you have any 12_no_gdm_fallback.patch? No longer applies02:19
robert_ancellI mean 21_up_start_on_demand.patch02:20
chrisccoulsonrobert_ancell, oh, it's been quite a while since i looked at that ;)02:24
robert_ancellchrisccoulson, heh02:24
robert_ancellI think the relevant code is now in gnome-session/gsm-consolekit.c02:24
chrisccoulsonrobert_ancell, yeah, it does look like it now02:28
robert_ancellchrisccoulson, so, do you think the patch is still required or shall I just drop it an we'll see if it's needed02:37
chrisccoulsonit might be worth to try it without. if up_client_new still blocks when upower starts, then we'll probably still need it02:37
desrtfreaking software, man03:11
desrtoldschool car03:11
desrtnewschool aftermarket CD player03:11
desrtguess what crashes?03:11
* desrt has never needed to reboot his car before03:13
* RAOF wonders in what way desrt's car “crashing” manifests ;)03:38
pittiGood morning03:49
robrugood evening! how's it?04:11
didrocksgood morning05:50
RAOFHeydi ho didrocks05:51
didrockshey RAOF :)05:53
pittihey didrocks06:00
didrocksguten morgen pitti, how are you?06:02
pittididrocks: I'm great, thanks!06:03
didrockshttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE0Mjc07:07
didrocksunity on fedora with an external repo ^07:08
pittioh, wow07:10
* didrocks read again all the posts for the past 2 years telling "this will never happen…" and want to add "ahah" :)07:11
pittiwell, it's still not in Fedora07:11
didrocksindeed, but at least it's possible, people were arguing it was too tight to ubuntu to be portable07:12
Sweetsha1kmoin.07:34
Sweetsha1kfirst libreoffice upload in quantal. quantal broken ;/07:34
* Sweetsha1k prepares some mea culpas for micahg reading his last comment on -devel ...07:37
mlankhorst:D07:40
mlankhorsta good start07:40
mvoseb128: hey, good morning - re bug #1011473, you mention that the webkit update is fix-commited? does it mean its uploaded and just needs to hit the archive? didrocks complained that s-c is currently unable to sell him items ,)07:43
ubot2Launchpad bug 1011473 in webkit "Please update to latest libsoup 2.39.2" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101147307:43
seb128hey there07:43
seb128mvo, howdy07:43
didrockshey mvo, salut seb128 :)07:43
seb128lut didrocks07:44
* didrocks will try the one in -proposed07:44
seb128didrocks, mvo: it's there: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkit/1.9.2-1ubuntu107:44
seb128quantal-proposed07:44
didrocksso, both libsoup and webkit should have been in -proposed I guess :)07:44
mvothanks seb12807:44
seb128didrocks, if we had detected that libsoup 2.39 had an incompatible api change and had a webkit maintainer who knew that webkit depended on that libsoup behaviour yes07:45
didrocksseb128: indeed07:45
didrocksor tests for software-center running in the dc! :)07:45
seb128tests buying something07:46
seb128because the issue was not so obvious that it broke s-c07:46
seb128network communication issues are tricky to test07:46
didrockswell, it's rather connecting to the app payement cred, I guess it's already separated in the testsuite07:46
didrocksyeah07:46
didrocksseb128: let me confirm it fixes it07:46
seb128didrocks, thanks07:46
Sweetsha1kmlankhorst: "Same procedure as last cycle, Miss Sophie?" "Same procedure as every cycle, James!"07:47
didrocksseb128: mvo: confirmed, works! Thanks both of you :)07:48
mlankhorst:D07:48
seb128didrocks, mvo: great, sorry for the issue ... do we have things to sell in unstable series btw?07:49
didrocksseb128: no, you have to fake an env variable07:49
didrocksSOFTWARE_CENTER_DISTRO_CODENAME=precise07:50
didrocksfor instance07:50
didrocksbut better to see it now that later on :)07:50
seb128indeed, so impact limited on normal users at least ;-)07:51
didrocksright, but I guess in the future, this will be opened sooner in the "always stable" paradigm :)07:55
mvoseb128: no, not a big deal08:02
seb128mvo, btw did you see my pings tuesday?08:02
seb128didrocks, pitti: hey, could you look at bug #102606608:08
ubot2Launchpad bug 1026066 in software-properties "software-properties-gtk crashed with ImportError in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/aptdaemon/client.py: No module named gobject" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102606608:08
pittiseb128: ah, I think I fixed that already in trunk, I ran into the same thing08:10
seb128pitti, oh, great, always a step ahead ;-)08:11
seb128pitti, hey btw, how are you?08:11
mvoseb128: about piston-mini-client?08:11
pittiseb128: I'm great, thank! fighting with udev test bed again, to simulate the netlink socket08:11
mvoseb128: or something else?08:11
seb128mvo, yes08:11
mvoseb128: I added it to my todo (hopefully for today)08:12
seb128mvo, let me check my log, piston-mini-client was one for sure08:12
seb128mvo, oh08:12
seb128mvo, hey, do you know if glatzor is around atm? cjwatson replied to him on bug #926340 and it would be nice to get that fix included in 12.04.108:12
ubot2Launchpad bug 926340 in aptdaemon "aptd crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _set_error(): 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 9: ordinal not in range(128)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92634008:12
seb128mvo, was the othe rone08:12
pittiseb128: bug updated08:13
seb128pitti, danke08:13
mvoseb128: I did not see the other one, let me have a look. glator is on vacation right now08:14
seb128mvo, danke08:14
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jibelSweetsha1k, you'll probably like bug 102652809:18
ubot2Launchpad bug 1026528 in libreoffice "Quantal daily Alternate amd64 failed to install: missing dependency libreoffice-common" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102652809:18
pittisee http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/quantal_probs.html09:19
pittii386/amd64 desycn09:19
pittiSweetsha1k: I advise to always upload libo to -proposed, and only copy to quantal once it built on all arches09:19
pittiotherwise we'll keep breaking the archive/isos for days09:19
Sweetsha1kjibel, pitti: yes. I was argueing with micahg after the upload yesterday (from my experience with stable-proposed was that there sometimes is stuff in there, which is not in main that breaks LO)09:21
pittiI mean to quantal-proposed, not stable09:22
Sweetsha1kjibel, pitti: im already training my mea culpa.09:22
pittiSweetsha1k: no worries, just a suggestion for the future09:22
pittithen jibel won't haunt you :)09:22
Sweetsha1kpitti: yes, I was argueing with stable-proposed against devel-proposed, which indeed is kinda flawed.09:23
Sweetsha1kjibel, pitti: seb128 is already sneaking in 3.6.0~rc2-0ubuntu2 fixing at least amd64.09:24
ritzseb128 ping morning , wrt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/770283 . looking to fil an SRU for oneiric09:28
ubot2Ubuntu bug 770283 in compiz-core/0.9.7 "[fglrx] Title bar does not update on non-maximized windows" [Medium,Fix released]09:28
seb128ritz, hey, we try to limit work on oneiric at this point, it's hard enough to keep up with quantal and precise, but if you want to work on a backport of the fix, test it and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors go for it09:34
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ritzseb128 sweet, thanks :)09:39
Sweetsharkseb128: did you reserve yourself some extra fast machines for the rc2-0ubuntu2 upload? they seem to be rather quick.11:15
seb128Sweetshark, no, but IS replaced the i386,amd64 builders recently and the new ones are quite powerful indeed11:16
Sweetsharkseb128: amd64 already is running checks and i386 is in the second to last module of the build11:17
seb128Sweetshark, the 0ubuntu1 build took some 4 hours on amd64 which was not bad, let's see if that one beats it ;-)11:17
seb128pitti, did you see that glib's testsuit is unhappy on powerpc,armel and failed those builds?11:21
pittiseb128: yes, I did11:21
Sweetsharkwell, when i am cheating, Im beating that too: 1 hour 10 minutes was 0ubuntu2 build here.11:21
seb128pitti, ok, good, just wanted to make sure ;-)11:21
pittiseb128: I have the failures open here, will get to it today/tomorrow11:22
seb128pitti, no hurry, I just crossed them and figured I would mention it11:22
seb128pitti, thanks for the update btw!11:22
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Sweetsharkseb128: amd64 is uploading, i386 is at building packages, arm and ppc not broken so far and having decent progress.12:38
seb128Sweetshark, good news12:38
Sweetsharkseb128: Im reducing the time I break the distro with each release, isnt that awesome? *cough*12:41
seb128Sweetshark, can you get in negative time? ;-)12:41
Sweetsharkseb128: maybe. by locking down gcc and java maintainers in a closet, I could make quantal more stable than would be possible by not breaking LibreOffice alone.12:44
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mlankhorstSweetshark: isn't that just because computers are faster to build now?12:48
mlankhorstcrap, I updated 29 packages to build against the new x1.13 in the past 2 days..12:49
Sweetsharkmlankhorst: no, its mostly because we killed that crappy go-oo build wrapper with precise12:59
Sweetshark(fun for the whole family that)13:00
mlankhorst:D13:02
mlankhorstand 30 if I include xorg-server, 32 if I include some debian-only updates13:02
seb128mlankhorst, will that clear out some of our "not uptodate version" lines on  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html ? ;-)13:07
mlankhorstI was wondering if such a thing existed or not13:11
mlankhorstbut yeah all the xserver-xorg-video-* will have to be synced to debian experimental13:12
seb128Sweetshark, libreoffice build successed on i386, congrats13:12
mlankhorstSweetshark: keep in mind some most of the releases for less popular drivers are merely bumped in version because of the x abi changes13:16
mlankhorstsee http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-announce/2012-July/thread.html13:16
bcurtiswxgood morning13:24
seb128bcurtiswx, hey, how are you?13:25
bcurtiswxseb128, doing OK, you?13:25
seb128bcurtiswx, I'm good thanks13:26
Sweetsharkmlankhorst: yeah, I bet X can be just as scary as some parts of LibreOffice to the uninitiated ...13:35
mlankhorstI still don't understand core X ;)13:36
mlankhorstkernel's easier13:36
seb128bcurtiswx, I just replied to your ubuntu-desktop application email, feel free to discuss it here if you want13:39
seb128bcurtiswx, but basically ubuntu-desktop gives a key to most of the core desktop of ubuntu for commit and upload and we need to be careful checking that people in the set have a strong packaging experience including dealing with non trivial things like libraries, transitions, conffiles, etc13:40
seb128bcurtiswx, I think you should still contribute a bit and get some extra skills before applying13:40
seb128bcurtiswx, I hope you don't take that wrongly, we really appreciate the work you are doing, things just take time ;-)13:41
dobeyhey, i've been building packages for almost 15 years, and i don't have those permissions even :)13:42
jbichaGNOME claims nautilus needs a dependency on tracker https://bugzilla.gnome.org/68011813:43
bcurtiswxseb128, yup i understand what i would get access to. It's easiest for me to learn the non-trivial aspects by working with someone because it's not easy to learn on your own. I hope that by applying (as it seems to me, needing some more time) people may see my interest and maybe spend some time with those. I don't want to keep blocking Ken. Does this make sense?13:44
seb128bcurtiswx, yeah, well the "apply for membership" email are basically asking people to vote +1 or -1 to add you to the set and have full access, you usually do it when you fell like you don't need a sponsor anymore13:45
mlankhorstif amount of uploads counted I could get the whole quote just from xf86-video-* :P13:46
seb128bcurtiswx, I recommend you keep doing good work and ask for sponsoring for a bit longer in your case, no need to ping Ken directly, just subscribe ubuntu-sponsors or ask on the channel13:46
seb128mlankhorst, ;-)13:46
bcurtiswxseb128, I don't for the non-trivial aspects of packaging, nothing specifically states exactly whats needed for applying, there's a few general bullet points..13:47
seb128bcurtiswx, well, the key part is to know enough to be confident dealing with a lib changing soname and to be able to see the impact, what's needed and how the transition should be handled13:48
seb128for example13:49
bcurtiswxseb128, great. How does someone like me learn these?13:49
seb128bcurtiswx, you do one of those updates and go through a sponsor who review it and tell you what you did wrong if there is anything wrong13:49
seb128bcurtiswx, once you got half a dozen "thanks, it's good, I'm uploading that for you", usually your sponsor recommend you stop bothering them and tell you to apply for membership ;-)13:50
bcurtiswxseb128, but where's the documentation on how these are done, and where are packages that need these other items ?13:50
seb128bcurtiswx, there is no hard checklist, it just seems from where I sit that you mostly dealt with application updates so far13:51
jbichaI'm assuming evolution will get another soname bump this cycle so you may want to see if cyphermox could use help with that13:51
bcurtiswxseb128, thats what I'm saying, I want to learn but there's no way I can unless I can take someones time away from them to go through one or two packages step by step so I can get a hand of it13:51
bcurtiswxhang*13:51
seb128bcurtiswx, take https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdl/+bug/102244513:52
ubot2Ubuntu bug 1022445 in gdl "Update to 3.5.3" [Wishlist,Triaged]13:52
seb128bcurtiswx, the current version is not good to go but upstream said the would bump the soname in their next tarball13:52
seb128bcurtiswx, that would do a good example13:52
seb128bcurtiswx, want to do bug #1025542 ?13:53
ubot2Launchpad bug 1025542 in gvfs "Update to 1.13.3" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102554213:53
seb128bcurtiswx, that is a multibinary package with some new files, might be a good one to see how you deal with such updates13:53
bcurtiswxseb128, thanks. I'll try to find someone to work with me.13:56
seb128bcurtiswx, feel free to ask questions on the channel ... should I assign the gvfs and gdl ones to you?13:56
* mlankhorst is a 1 trick person :( git-update; git checkout debian-experimental; git merge debian-unstable; fixup 1; git checkout upstream-experimental13:56
mlankhorstgit reset --hard tag; git checkout debian-experimental; git merge tag; dch; git log tag > Changelog; debcommit -a; git push13:57
bcurtiswxseb128, sure13:58
seb128bcurtiswx, thanks13:58
mlankhorstKidding, slightly longer than that, especially if previous upstream conflicts, or used a different VCS altogether before. :-)13:58
seb128mlankhorst, that's too much git to my taste ;-)14:00
jbichabcurtiswx: there's a few Ubuntu/Debian developers in DC, maybe you could have a meetup with them to get in-person mentoring14:00
mlankhorstseb128: yeah but it makes updating 32 repos at a time a lot easier..14:01
mlankhorstbut it still can't be automated since every step of the way can conflict or present obstacles14:03
rickspencer3seb128, I noticed today that keyboard layout switching on 12.04 is working very well14:23
rickspencer3it works in LightDM too, which I seem to recall was a sore point some time ago14:24
seb128rickspencer3, great ;-)14:24
rickspencer3my poor daughter only knows French keyboard layout, but speaks English14:24
rickspencer3she shall have issues next year14:24
seb128rickspencer3, yeah, not sure azerty is the best keyboard to hand to english speakers ;-)14:30
bcurtiswxseb128, who is usually on for questions after 20 or 21UTC (when i get home from work and have more time)15:07
seb128bcurtiswx, some of the americans might still be there, kenvandine, mterry ... otherwise the .au guys, robert_ancell should start his day around this time15:08
bcurtiswxseb128, thx15:08
seb128yw!15:09
* mterry waves15:09
* kenvandine hides15:11
kenvandine:-D15:11
kenvandinebcurtiswx always knows how to track me down15:11
bcurtiswxi do, but most of you leave for the day at 5, which is shortly after I'd be home15:11
bcurtiswx eastern15:11
seb128ogra_, btw you remember the accountsservice issue you had on arm some month ago where it would list only one user and drop the other ones when adding an account?15:16
ogra_yeah, that was in precise15:16
ogra_havent checked it on quantal15:16
seb128ogra_, it's bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/952909, just uploaded a SRU fix, will upload a fix in quantal in a bit15:18
ubot2Ubuntu bug 952909 in accountsservice "Some users invisible/unusable" [High,In progress]15:18
seb128ogra_, one liner fix: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/accountsservice/commit/?id=1fbc872fba07b4b9c345b86ed6fe1e3934afd53715:18
seb128ogra_, I checked your pastebin from by then, it has the same "Duplicate object at path" warnings so I think it's the same bug15:19
ogra_sounds very likely, yes15:19
seb128ogra_, I didn't forget about the issue, just took me a while to have time to get back to it ;-)15:19
seb128ogra_, anyway that was just a fyi ;-)15:19
ogra_yeah, well, its arm, i'm used to be patient ;)15:19
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mterryooh, new LO17:52
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dupondjeEmpathy seems quite broken again :(18:33
* mterry goes afk for a bit18:40
bcurtiswxdupondje, contact list doesn't show for some protocols?19:32
dupondjebcurtiswx: no, no chat window :(19:45
bcurtiswxdupondje, running from terminal what errors do you get when someone messages you?19:46
dupondjenothing, but [15224.169823] empathy-chat[11223]: segfault at 0 ip 00000000004605ca sp 00007fff368dbf40 error 4 in empathy-chat[400000+b1000]19:47
bcurtiswxdupondje, hmm. Not a crash though, just no chat window, right?19:58
dupondjeindeed19:59
dupondjechat windows does not popup19:59
dupondjeno menubar neither btw, but thats another issue :)20:00
bcurtiswxdupondje, you can try checking with the empathy people on gimpnet for now. There's a couple issues I'm having with empathy as well.20:01
roaksoaxhi guys, I did a dist-upgrade today21:29
roaksoaxand eneded up with broken unity2d21:29
roaksoaxas in various applications gone21:29
roaksoaxclock indicator gone21:29
roaksoaxany ideas of how to get these back?21:29
dobeydid indicator-datetime get removed?21:31
roaksoaxdobey: yeah, just got that installed again21:32
dobeyif you run it, or log out and back in, it should show up again then21:32
roaksoaxdobey: yeah did so thatnks21:32
roaksoaxdobey: this is the dist-upgrade log: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1100909/21:36
dobeythat's not really readable, being one extremely long line and all. but you should probably pay attention to what it says before pressing the "ok go ahead and do all that" button usually; particularly on development version of the distro21:38
bcurtiswxhmm, on Quantal install on my fairly old laptop. The install process froze on "choose a picture"21:43
bcurtiswxnow my CPU is 100% and my fans are all running full blast.. lol21:43
bcurtiswxlooks like it may have "crashed" when trying to turn on my laptop camera21:44
bcurtiswxyup i can reproduce it21:53
jbichabcurtiswx: was that today's daily?21:54
bcurtiswxnope, last alpha21:54
jbichait worked for me on Sunday but it failed last week so maybe that bug is fixed21:54
bcurtiswxjbicha, so try the dailies then?21:56
jbichaalso the latest images allow you to run ubiquity --no-webcam in case that bug comes back21:56
jbichayes21:56
jbichahttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/2.11.1621:57
bcurtiswxif i use "try ubuntu" and install the new ubiquity.. would that work?21:57
jbichaI don't know, but quite a bit has changed in the past few weeks so I'm skeptical that would work21:59
jbichahttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage21:59
bcurtiswxso far so good22:02
bcurtiswx--no-webcam just skips that part entirely, nice22:03
dupondjefor anyone that cares22:22
dupondjehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/102682922:22
ubot2Ubuntu bug 1026829 in empathy "empathy-chat crashed with SIGSEGV in empathy_adium_path_is_valid()" [Undecided,New]22:22
robert_ancellRAOF, hello22:22
dupondjestacktrace of empathy crash when opening chat window. :(22:23
robert_ancellRAOF, can you have a look at bug 1024276, it's a system-compositor tester.  The lightdm logs showed it started the greeter and started authenticating, so I guess the user couldn't see it?22:23
ubot2Launchpad bug 1024276 in lightdm "lightdm doesn't start if weston is activated (system-compositor ppa, nouveau)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102427622:23
bcurtiswxdupondje, i'm getting a similar crash and errors although never a SIGSEGV yet22:37
RAOFrobert_ancell: I responded to that bug earlier?22:59
RAOFrobert_ancell: Perhaps my comment didn't actually get added; yeah, he's running xorg-edgers, which won't work.23:00

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