[00:32] <desrt> robert_ancell: erm.
[00:32] <desrt> robert_ancell: are we carrying bogus debian patches?
[00:32] <robert_ancell> desrt, I guess
[00:32] <desrt> sucks :)
[01:54] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, ping
[02:13] <chrisccoulson> hi robert_ancell
[02:19] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, hey, was playing around with the gnome-session update - do you have any 12_no_gdm_fallback.patch? No longer applies
[02:20] <robert_ancell> I mean 21_up_start_on_demand.patch
[02:24] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, oh, it's been quite a while since i looked at that ;)
[02:24] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, heh
[02:24] <robert_ancell> I think the relevant code is now in gnome-session/gsm-consolekit.c
[02:28] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, yeah, it does look like it now
[02:37] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, so, do you think the patch is still required or shall I just drop it an we'll see if it's needed
[02:37] <chrisccoulson> it might be worth to try it without. if up_client_new still blocks when upower starts, then we'll probably still need it
[03:11] <desrt> freaking software, man
[03:11] <desrt> oldschool car
[03:11] <desrt> newschool aftermarket CD player
[03:11] <desrt> guess what crashes?
[03:13]  * desrt has never needed to reboot his car before
[03:38]  * RAOF wonders in what way desrt's car “crashing” manifests ;)
[03:49] <pitti> Good morning
[04:11] <robru> good evening! how's it?
[05:50] <didrocks> good morning
[05:51] <RAOF> Heydi ho didrocks
[05:53] <didrocks> hey RAOF :)
[06:00] <pitti> hey didrocks
[06:02] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti, how are you?
[06:03] <pitti> didrocks: I'm great, thanks!
[07:07] <didrocks> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE0Mjc
[07:08] <didrocks> unity on fedora with an external repo ^
[07:10] <pitti> oh, wow
[07:11]  * didrocks read again all the posts for the past 2 years telling "this will never happen…" and want to add "ahah" :)
[07:11] <pitti> well, it's still not in Fedora
[07:12] <didrocks> indeed, but at least it's possible, people were arguing it was too tight to ubuntu to be portable
[07:34] <Sweetsha1k> moin.
[07:34] <Sweetsha1k> first libreoffice upload in quantal. quantal broken ;/
[07:37]  * Sweetsha1k prepares some mea culpas for micahg reading his last comment on -devel ...
[07:40] <mlankhorst> :D
[07:40] <mlankhorst> a good start
[07:43] <mvo> seb128: hey, good morning - re bug #1011473, you mention that the webkit update is fix-commited? does it mean its uploaded and just needs to hit the archive? didrocks complained that s-c is currently unable to sell him items ,)
[07:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1011473 in webkit "Please update to latest libsoup 2.39.2" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1011473
[07:43] <seb128> hey there
[07:43] <seb128> mvo, howdy
[07:43] <didrocks> hey mvo, salut seb128 :)
[07:44] <seb128> lut didrocks
[07:44]  * didrocks will try the one in -proposed
[07:44] <seb128> didrocks, mvo: it's there: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkit/1.9.2-1ubuntu1
[07:44] <seb128> quantal-proposed
[07:44] <didrocks> so, both libsoup and webkit should have been in -proposed I guess :)
[07:44] <mvo> thanks seb128
[07:45] <seb128> didrocks, if we had detected that libsoup 2.39 had an incompatible api change and had a webkit maintainer who knew that webkit depended on that libsoup behaviour yes
[07:45] <didrocks> seb128: indeed
[07:45] <didrocks> or tests for software-center running in the dc! :)
[07:46] <seb128> tests buying something
[07:46] <seb128> because the issue was not so obvious that it broke s-c
[07:46] <seb128> network communication issues are tricky to test
[07:46] <didrocks> well, it's rather connecting to the app payement cred, I guess it's already separated in the testsuite
[07:46] <didrocks> yeah
[07:46] <didrocks> seb128: let me confirm it fixes it
[07:46] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[07:47] <Sweetsha1k> mlankhorst: "Same procedure as last cycle, Miss Sophie?" "Same procedure as every cycle, James!"
[07:48] <didrocks> seb128: mvo: confirmed, works! Thanks both of you :)
[07:48] <mlankhorst> :D
[07:49] <seb128> didrocks, mvo: great, sorry for the issue ... do we have things to sell in unstable series btw?
[07:49] <didrocks> seb128: no, you have to fake an env variable
[07:50] <didrocks> SOFTWARE_CENTER_DISTRO_CODENAME=precise
[07:50] <didrocks> for instance
[07:50] <didrocks> but better to see it now that later on :)
[07:51] <seb128> indeed, so impact limited on normal users at least ;-)
[07:55] <didrocks> right, but I guess in the future, this will be opened sooner in the "always stable" paradigm :)
[08:02] <mvo> seb128: no, not a big deal
[08:02] <seb128> mvo, btw did you see my pings tuesday?
[08:08] <seb128> didrocks, pitti: hey, could you look at bug #1026066
[08:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1026066 in software-properties "software-properties-gtk crashed with ImportError in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/aptdaemon/client.py: No module named gobject" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1026066
[08:10] <pitti> seb128: ah, I think I fixed that already in trunk, I ran into the same thing
[08:11] <seb128> pitti, oh, great, always a step ahead ;-)
[08:11] <seb128> pitti, hey btw, how are you?
[08:11] <mvo> seb128: about piston-mini-client?
[08:11] <pitti> seb128: I'm great, thank! fighting with udev test bed again, to simulate the netlink socket
[08:11] <mvo> seb128: or something else?
[08:11] <seb128> mvo, yes
[08:12] <mvo> seb128: I added it to my todo (hopefully for today)
[08:12] <seb128> mvo, let me check my log, piston-mini-client was one for sure
[08:12] <seb128> mvo, oh
[08:12] <seb128> mvo, hey, do you know if glatzor is around atm? cjwatson replied to him on bug #926340 and it would be nice to get that fix included in 12.04.1
[08:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 926340 in aptdaemon "aptd crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _set_error(): 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 9: ordinal not in range(128)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926340
[08:12] <seb128> mvo, was the othe rone
[08:13] <pitti> seb128: bug updated
[08:13] <seb128> pitti, danke
[08:14] <mvo> seb128: I did not see the other one, let me have a look. glator is on vacation right now
[08:14] <seb128> mvo, danke
[09:18] <jibel> Sweetsha1k, you'll probably like bug 1026528
[09:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1026528 in libreoffice "Quantal daily Alternate amd64 failed to install: missing dependency libreoffice-common" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1026528
[09:19] <pitti> see http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/quantal_probs.html
[09:19] <pitti> i386/amd64 desycn
[09:19] <pitti> Sweetsha1k: I advise to always upload libo to -proposed, and only copy to quantal once it built on all arches
[09:19] <pitti> otherwise we'll keep breaking the archive/isos for days
[09:21] <Sweetsha1k> jibel, pitti: yes. I was argueing with micahg after the upload yesterday (from my experience with stable-proposed was that there sometimes is stuff in there, which is not in main that breaks LO)
[09:22] <pitti> I mean to quantal-proposed, not stable
[09:22] <Sweetsha1k> jibel, pitti: im already training my mea culpa.
[09:22] <pitti> Sweetsha1k: no worries, just a suggestion for the future
[09:22] <pitti> then jibel won't haunt you :)
[09:23] <Sweetsha1k> pitti: yes, I was argueing with stable-proposed against devel-proposed, which indeed is kinda flawed.
[09:24] <Sweetsha1k> jibel, pitti: seb128 is already sneaking in 3.6.0~rc2-0ubuntu2 fixing at least amd64.
[09:28] <ritz> seb128 ping morning , wrt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/770283 . looking to fil an SRU for oneiric
[09:28] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 770283 in compiz-core/0.9.7 "[fglrx] Title bar does not update on non-maximized windows" [Medium,Fix released]
[09:34] <seb128> ritz, hey, we try to limit work on oneiric at this point, it's hard enough to keep up with quantal and precise, but if you want to work on a backport of the fix, test it and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors go for it
[09:39] <ritz> seb128 sweet, thanks :)
[11:15] <Sweetshark> seb128: did you reserve yourself some extra fast machines for the rc2-0ubuntu2 upload? they seem to be rather quick.
[11:16] <seb128> Sweetshark, no, but IS replaced the i386,amd64 builders recently and the new ones are quite powerful indeed
[11:17] <Sweetshark> seb128: amd64 already is running checks and i386 is in the second to last module of the build
[11:17] <seb128> Sweetshark, the 0ubuntu1 build took some 4 hours on amd64 which was not bad, let's see if that one beats it ;-)
[11:21] <seb128> pitti, did you see that glib's testsuit is unhappy on powerpc,armel and failed those builds?
[11:21] <pitti> seb128: yes, I did
[11:21] <Sweetshark> well, when i am cheating, Im beating that too: 1 hour 10 minutes was 0ubuntu2 build here.
[11:21] <seb128> pitti, ok, good, just wanted to make sure ;-)
[11:22] <pitti> seb128: I have the failures open here, will get to it today/tomorrow
[11:22] <seb128> pitti, no hurry, I just crossed them and figured I would mention it
[11:22] <seb128> pitti, thanks for the update btw!
[12:38] <Sweetshark> seb128: amd64 is uploading, i386 is at building packages, arm and ppc not broken so far and having decent progress.
[12:38] <seb128> Sweetshark, good news
[12:41] <Sweetshark> seb128: Im reducing the time I break the distro with each release, isnt that awesome? *cough*
[12:41] <seb128> Sweetshark, can you get in negative time? ;-)
[12:44] <Sweetshark> seb128: maybe. by locking down gcc and java maintainers in a closet, I could make quantal more stable than would be possible by not breaking LibreOffice alone.
[12:48] <mlankhorst> Sweetshark: isn't that just because computers are faster to build now?
[12:49] <mlankhorst> crap, I updated 29 packages to build against the new x1.13 in the past 2 days..
[12:59] <Sweetshark> mlankhorst: no, its mostly because we killed that crappy go-oo build wrapper with precise
[13:00] <Sweetshark> (fun for the whole family that)
[13:02] <mlankhorst> :D
[13:02] <mlankhorst> and 30 if I include xorg-server, 32 if I include some debian-only updates
[13:07] <seb128> mlankhorst, will that clear out some of our "not uptodate version" lines on  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html ? ;-)
[13:11] <mlankhorst> I was wondering if such a thing existed or not
[13:12] <mlankhorst> but yeah all the xserver-xorg-video-* will have to be synced to debian experimental
[13:12] <seb128> Sweetshark, libreoffice build successed on i386, congrats
[13:16] <mlankhorst> Sweetshark: keep in mind some most of the releases for less popular drivers are merely bumped in version because of the x abi changes
[13:16] <mlankhorst> see http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-announce/2012-July/thread.html
[13:24] <bcurtiswx> good morning
[13:25] <seb128> bcurtiswx, hey, how are you?
[13:25] <bcurtiswx> seb128, doing OK, you?
[13:26] <seb128> bcurtiswx, I'm good thanks
[13:35] <Sweetshark> mlankhorst: yeah, I bet X can be just as scary as some parts of LibreOffice to the uninitiated ...
[13:36] <mlankhorst> I still don't understand core X ;)
[13:36] <mlankhorst> kernel's easier
[13:39] <seb128> bcurtiswx, I just replied to your ubuntu-desktop application email, feel free to discuss it here if you want
[13:40] <seb128> bcurtiswx, but basically ubuntu-desktop gives a key to most of the core desktop of ubuntu for commit and upload and we need to be careful checking that people in the set have a strong packaging experience including dealing with non trivial things like libraries, transitions, conffiles, etc
[13:40] <seb128> bcurtiswx, I think you should still contribute a bit and get some extra skills before applying
[13:41] <seb128> bcurtiswx, I hope you don't take that wrongly, we really appreciate the work you are doing, things just take time ;-)
[13:42] <dobey> hey, i've been building packages for almost 15 years, and i don't have those permissions even :)
[13:43] <jbicha> GNOME claims nautilus needs a dependency on tracker https://bugzilla.gnome.org/680118
[13:44] <bcurtiswx> seb128, yup i understand what i would get access to. It's easiest for me to learn the non-trivial aspects by working with someone because it's not easy to learn on your own. I hope that by applying (as it seems to me, needing some more time) people may see my interest and maybe spend some time with those. I don't want to keep blocking Ken. Does this make sense?
[13:45] <seb128> bcurtiswx, yeah, well the "apply for membership" email are basically asking people to vote +1 or -1 to add you to the set and have full access, you usually do it when you fell like you don't need a sponsor anymore
[13:46] <mlankhorst> if amount of uploads counted I could get the whole quote just from xf86-video-* :P
[13:46] <seb128> bcurtiswx, I recommend you keep doing good work and ask for sponsoring for a bit longer in your case, no need to ping Ken directly, just subscribe ubuntu-sponsors or ask on the channel
[13:46] <seb128> mlankhorst, ;-)
[13:47] <bcurtiswx> seb128, I don't for the non-trivial aspects of packaging, nothing specifically states exactly whats needed for applying, there's a few general bullet points..
[13:48] <seb128> bcurtiswx, well, the key part is to know enough to be confident dealing with a lib changing soname and to be able to see the impact, what's needed and how the transition should be handled
[13:49] <seb128> for example
[13:49] <bcurtiswx> seb128, great. How does someone like me learn these?
[13:49] <seb128> bcurtiswx, you do one of those updates and go through a sponsor who review it and tell you what you did wrong if there is anything wrong
[13:50] <seb128> bcurtiswx, once you got half a dozen "thanks, it's good, I'm uploading that for you", usually your sponsor recommend you stop bothering them and tell you to apply for membership ;-)
[13:50] <bcurtiswx> seb128, but where's the documentation on how these are done, and where are packages that need these other items ?
[13:51] <seb128> bcurtiswx, there is no hard checklist, it just seems from where I sit that you mostly dealt with application updates so far
[13:51] <jbicha> I'm assuming evolution will get another soname bump this cycle so you may want to see if cyphermox could use help with that
[13:51] <bcurtiswx> seb128, thats what I'm saying, I want to learn but there's no way I can unless I can take someones time away from them to go through one or two packages step by step so I can get a hand of it
[13:51] <bcurtiswx> hang*
[13:52] <seb128> bcurtiswx, take https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdl/+bug/1022445
[13:52] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1022445 in gdl "Update to 3.5.3" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[13:52] <seb128> bcurtiswx, the current version is not good to go but upstream said the would bump the soname in their next tarball
[13:52] <seb128> bcurtiswx, that would do a good example
[13:53] <seb128> bcurtiswx, want to do bug #1025542 ?
[13:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1025542 in gvfs "Update to 1.13.3" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1025542
[13:53] <seb128> bcurtiswx, that is a multibinary package with some new files, might be a good one to see how you deal with such updates
[13:56] <bcurtiswx> seb128, thanks. I'll try to find someone to work with me.
[13:56] <seb128> bcurtiswx, feel free to ask questions on the channel ... should I assign the gvfs and gdl ones to you?
[13:56]  * mlankhorst is a 1 trick person :( git-update; git checkout debian-experimental; git merge debian-unstable; fixup 1; git checkout upstream-experimental
[13:57] <mlankhorst> git reset --hard tag; git checkout debian-experimental; git merge tag; dch; git log tag > Changelog; debcommit -a; git push
[13:58] <bcurtiswx> seb128, sure
[13:58] <seb128> bcurtiswx, thanks
[13:58] <mlankhorst> Kidding, slightly longer than that, especially if previous upstream conflicts, or used a different VCS altogether before. :-)
[14:00] <seb128> mlankhorst, that's too much git to my taste ;-)
[14:00] <jbicha> bcurtiswx: there's a few Ubuntu/Debian developers in DC, maybe you could have a meetup with them to get in-person mentoring
[14:01] <mlankhorst> seb128: yeah but it makes updating 32 repos at a time a lot easier..
[14:03] <mlankhorst> but it still can't be automated since every step of the way can conflict or present obstacles
[14:23] <rickspencer3> seb128, I noticed today that keyboard layout switching on 12.04 is working very well
[14:24] <rickspencer3> it works in LightDM too, which I seem to recall was a sore point some time ago
[14:24] <seb128> rickspencer3, great ;-)
[14:24] <rickspencer3> my poor daughter only knows French keyboard layout, but speaks English
[14:24] <rickspencer3> she shall have issues next year
[14:30] <seb128> rickspencer3, yeah, not sure azerty is the best keyboard to hand to english speakers ;-)
[15:07] <bcurtiswx> seb128, who is usually on for questions after 20 or 21UTC (when i get home from work and have more time)
[15:08] <seb128> bcurtiswx, some of the americans might still be there, kenvandine, mterry ... otherwise the .au guys, robert_ancell should start his day around this time
[15:08] <bcurtiswx> seb128, thx
[15:09] <seb128> yw!
[15:09]  * mterry waves
[15:11]  * kenvandine hides
[15:11] <kenvandine> :-D
[15:11] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx always knows how to track me down
[15:11] <bcurtiswx> i do, but most of you leave for the day at 5, which is shortly after I'd be home
[15:11] <bcurtiswx>  eastern
[15:16] <seb128> ogra_, btw you remember the accountsservice issue you had on arm some month ago where it would list only one user and drop the other ones when adding an account?
[15:16] <ogra_> yeah, that was in precise
[15:16] <ogra_> havent checked it on quantal
[15:18] <seb128> ogra_, it's bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/952909, just uploaded a SRU fix, will upload a fix in quantal in a bit
[15:18] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 952909 in accountsservice "Some users invisible/unusable" [High,In progress]
[15:18] <seb128> ogra_, one liner fix: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/accountsservice/commit/?id=1fbc872fba07b4b9c345b86ed6fe1e3934afd537
[15:19] <seb128> ogra_, I checked your pastebin from by then, it has the same "Duplicate object at path" warnings so I think it's the same bug
[15:19] <ogra_> sounds very likely, yes
[15:19] <seb128> ogra_, I didn't forget about the issue, just took me a while to have time to get back to it ;-)
[15:19] <seb128> ogra_, anyway that was just a fyi ;-)
[15:19] <ogra_> yeah, well, its arm, i'm used to be patient ;)
[17:52] <mterry> ooh, new LO
[18:33] <dupondje> Empathy seems quite broken again :(
[18:40]  * mterry goes afk for a bit
[19:32] <bcurtiswx> dupondje, contact list doesn't show for some protocols?
[19:45] <dupondje> bcurtiswx: no, no chat window :(
[19:46] <bcurtiswx> dupondje, running from terminal what errors do you get when someone messages you?
[19:47] <dupondje> nothing, but [15224.169823] empathy-chat[11223]: segfault at 0 ip 00000000004605ca sp 00007fff368dbf40 error 4 in empathy-chat[400000+b1000]
[19:58] <bcurtiswx> dupondje, hmm. Not a crash though, just no chat window, right?
[19:59] <dupondje> indeed
[19:59] <dupondje> chat windows does not popup
[20:00] <dupondje> no menubar neither btw, but thats another issue :)
[20:01] <bcurtiswx> dupondje, you can try checking with the empathy people on gimpnet for now. There's a couple issues I'm having with empathy as well.
[21:29] <roaksoax> hi guys, I did a dist-upgrade today
[21:29] <roaksoax> and eneded up with broken unity2d
[21:29] <roaksoax> as in various applications gone
[21:29] <roaksoax> clock indicator gone
[21:29] <roaksoax> any ideas of how to get these back?
[21:31] <dobey> did indicator-datetime get removed?
[21:32] <roaksoax> dobey: yeah, just got that installed again
[21:32] <dobey> if you run it, or log out and back in, it should show up again then
[21:32] <roaksoax> dobey: yeah did so thatnks
[21:36] <roaksoax> dobey: this is the dist-upgrade log: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1100909/
[21:38] <dobey> that's not really readable, being one extremely long line and all. but you should probably pay attention to what it says before pressing the "ok go ahead and do all that" button usually; particularly on development version of the distro
[21:43] <bcurtiswx> hmm, on Quantal install on my fairly old laptop. The install process froze on "choose a picture"
[21:43] <bcurtiswx> now my CPU is 100% and my fans are all running full blast.. lol
[21:44] <bcurtiswx> looks like it may have "crashed" when trying to turn on my laptop camera
[21:53] <bcurtiswx> yup i can reproduce it
[21:54] <jbicha> bcurtiswx: was that today's daily?
[21:54] <bcurtiswx> nope, last alpha
[21:54] <jbicha> it worked for me on Sunday but it failed last week so maybe that bug is fixed
[21:56] <bcurtiswx> jbicha, so try the dailies then?
[21:56] <jbicha> also the latest images allow you to run ubiquity --no-webcam in case that bug comes back
[21:56] <jbicha> yes
[21:57] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/2.11.16
[21:57] <bcurtiswx> if i use "try ubuntu" and install the new ubiquity.. would that work?
[21:59] <jbicha> I don't know, but quite a bit has changed in the past few weeks so I'm skeptical that would work
[21:59] <jbicha> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage
[22:02] <bcurtiswx> so far so good
[22:03] <bcurtiswx> --no-webcam just skips that part entirely, nice
[22:22] <dupondje> for anyone that cares
[22:22] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/1026829
[22:22] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1026829 in empathy "empathy-chat crashed with SIGSEGV in empathy_adium_path_is_valid()" [Undecided,New]
[22:22] <robert_ancell> RAOF, hello
[22:23] <dupondje> stacktrace of empathy crash when opening chat window. :(
[22:23] <robert_ancell> RAOF, can you have a look at bug 1024276, it's a system-compositor tester.  The lightdm logs showed it started the greeter and started authenticating, so I guess the user couldn't see it?
[22:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1024276 in lightdm "lightdm doesn't start if weston is activated (system-compositor ppa, nouveau)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1024276
[22:37] <bcurtiswx> dupondje, i'm getting a similar crash and errors although never a SIGSEGV yet
[22:59] <RAOF> robert_ancell: I responded to that bug earlier?
[23:00] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Perhaps my comment didn't actually get added; yeah, he's running xorg-edgers, which won't work.