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* stgraber waves14:01
skaethiya14:01
seb128hey14:01
stgraber#startmeeting 12.04.1 team meeting14:03
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stgraberNCommander, stokachu, jibel, smoser, jamespage: around?14:03
smosero/14:03
jamespageo/14:03
stgraber#topic Action items review14:05
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stgraberxnox to liase with ballons, gema and jibel w.r.t. fs/storage testing14:05
stgraberhaven't heard about it and xnox isn't around, so keeping it for next meeting14:05
jibelno news from xnox14:05
stgraberstgraber to review and sponsor bug 977947, bug 977952 and bug 97794014:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 977947 in libbonobo (Ubuntu Precise) "Please transition libbonobo to multi-arch" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97794714:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 977952 in libbonoboui (Ubuntu Precise) "Please transition libbonoboui to multi-arch" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97795214:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 977940 in gnome-vfs (Ubuntu Precise) "Please transition gnome-vfs to multi-arch" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97794014:06
stgraberI've been talking to stokachu and asked for a rebuild test of the rdepends (as is required for multi-arch changes)14:06
stgraberI haven't got a status update from him yet... hoping these will be done soon so we can finally upload these14:06
stgraberskaet to poke the SRU team and see what can be done to process the current backlog14:06
* skaet poked14:07
skaetplan discussed earlier this week,   but couple of steps, rather than immediate reaction.14:07
skaetif there are specific blockers,  please flag in #ubuntu-release14:08
skaetmostly the processing seems to be keeping up (ie. its not getting worse),  verification is issue though.14:08
stgraberstgraber to change the meeting to a weekly meeting14:08
stgraberskaet: I've been trying to help a bit with verification this week. Trying to clear these that area >= 7 days14:09
stgraberI know I've got a bunch more to go through today (that reach their 7 days today)14:09
skaetThanks stgraber!  :)14:09
stgraberas for the weekly meeting action item, well, as you can see, it's done ;)14:09
skaet:)14:10
stgraber#topic Review of upcoming deadlines14:10
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NCommanderSorry, I'm running late. Was OTp'ed14:10
skaetToday is new hardware freeze,  and I think most of the new hardware bits are in place....14:10
stgraber * 2012/08/02: Beginning of PointReleaseProcess and14:10
stgraberDesktopInfrastructureFreeze14:10
stgraber * 2012/08/09: KernelFreeze, LanguageTranslationDeadline, SRU Fix14:10
stgraberValidation Testing14:10
stgraber * 2012/08/16: FinalFreeze, ReleaseNoteFreeze14:10
stgraber * 2012/08/23: Ubuntu 12.04.114:10
NCommanderskaet: right, so base-installer, libd-i, and f-k got uploaded14:11
stgraberskaet: oh right, forgot that one, yeah I believe we were just waiting for highbank and NCommander took care of it14:11
NCommanderd-i patch is done and works, but f-k had a bug that didn'tpot untilit was in archive,so I needto do a second upload to fix14:11
NCommanderstgraber: its looking like d-i will get uploaded tomorrow dueto the f-k hiccup, but all the code works now,and it passesthe netboot QA test case14:12
NCommander(may get uploaded tonight, depends how many hours of consciousness I can mantain)14:12
* NCommander is done14:13
skaetstgraber,  also the walinuxagent is available, and gotten in to 12.10,  but needs to be reviewed for 12.04.1 still.14:13
stgraberskaet: do we have a bug targeted to 12.04.1 for it? I don't remember seeing one when I went through the list last time14:14
jamespagestgraber, yep - one second14:14
skaethttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/walinuxagent/+bug/101486414:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1014864 in walinuxagent (Ubuntu Precise) "[MIR] walinuxagent" [High,New]14:14
jamespageskaet, so we are treating this like hardware enablement?14:15
stgraberare you also planning to have it in main there?14:15
skaetjamespage, its in a grey area,  but that's closest.14:16
smoseryes, main.14:16
stgraberis the security team aware that they'll have to support it for the 12.04 too?14:16
jamespagestgraber, I believe so but I will check14:16
stgraberI don't see it mentioned in the bug, so adding a package to the supported list post-release would probably need to be mentioned to everyone involved :)14:17
stgraberjamespage: ok, thanks14:17
stgraber#topic Quick look through the current bug lists14:17
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NCommander(side note: f-k uploaded, just needs a SRU push, and then a publisher run and I can uploadd-i)14:17
stgraberso the list once again doesn't look extremely good. We went from 112 entries up to 121 entries14:17
stgraberthat's 90 without the fix commited ones14:18
stgraberand around 75 without the ones currently sitting in the queue14:18
stgraberof these remaining 75, 30 are still without assignees14:19
stgrabermostly desktop and servre bugs14:19
stgraberhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.milestone%3Alist=49926&field.component-empty-marke14:19
stgraberhttp://goo.gl/4KgFI in case that link didn't paste properly14:20
seb128I will assign bugs for desktop, though they are mostly on track but I don't usually bother setting the assignee when that's the case14:21
stgraberthere was two foundations bug in there (at least), I assigned these two now14:21
skaetgetting those with patches attached,  processed quickly would be good as well.   if possible.14:22
stgraberyeah, some of these have been fixed in quantal or have patches attached, so are pretty trivial fixes. I've been pushing a few of these yesterday, will try to spend some more time today for that14:22
stgraberwould be good to remind your teammates that they only have roughly two weeks left to get these fixes into -proposed, so it's really time to update the status of these bugs and move these that won't get fixed14:24
stgraber#topic Round table14:26
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stgraberstgraber@castiana:~$ echo $(shuf -e NCommander seb128 stgraber jibel skaet smoser jamespage)14:26
stgraberseb128 NCommander jibel smoser stgraber jamespage skaet14:26
stgraberseb128: you're up!14:26
seb128hey14:26
seb128nothing special to say, desktop SRUs still go at a good pace14:27
seb128the unity SRU round is ready from today, should hit the queue soon14:27
seb128it's good to see that we got a good round of SRU reviews some days ago14:27
seb128the second round of compiz,unity SRUs with the performances improvements might be delayed to 12.04.214:27
seb128if it's getting too late14:27
seb128..14:27
stgraberNCommander:14:28
NCommanderneed flash-kernel iushed into proposed so I can do a second d-i install, then upload and finalize the SRU14:28
* NCommander is lagging, sorry14:28
NCommanderBeyond that highbank enablement looks solid14:29
NCommander..14:29
stgraberjibel:14:29
jibelmust investigate  upgrade bug 102286414:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1022864 in gsettings-desktop-schemas (Ubuntu Quantal) "Lucid to Precise upgrade test failed: User settings are not preserved on upgrade" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102286414:29
jibel1 failure yesterday with precise desktop i386, but was transient and todays looks good14:30
jibel..14:30
stgrabersmoser:14:30
smoserjamespage, volunteered to take my spot14:31
jamespageta14:31
jamespagestill pushing through SRU's for the server packages.14:31
jamespagejuju bugs have now been reviewed and we now only have a few outstanding for 12.04.114:31
jamespagemaas - still making decisions on what will be SRU'ed for 12.04.114:32
jamespageso not much progress there14:32
jamespageas skaet mentioned walinuxagent is required for windows azure enablement in 12.0414:32
jamespagethats getting some focus14:32
jamespageand rbasak has reworked the apache/module multiarch fix; which got uploaded today...14:33
jamespage..14:33
stgraberyay for apache2/mod_security! that one has been waiting in -proposed for a long time14:34
stgraberstgraber:14:34
stgraberbeen doing a bunch of verifications in -proposed, more to come today14:34
stgraberUploaded a new ubiquity with a bunch of fixes, also resolvconf (1 fix), krb5 (1 upgrade fix) and libxslt (multi-arch bug)14:35
stgraberWent through all the foundations related bugs during our team meeting, will continue to do so until the point release, trying to get people to prioritize that work14:35
stgraber..14:36
stgraberskaet:14:36
skaetDiscussed translation plan with David Plannella,  working to make sure coverage during vacations.14:36
skaet12.04.1 Manifest has been updated, mostly signed off, can be found at:14:36
skaet#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseManifest/12.04.114:36
skaetDaily cron builds will be set up to reflect the signed off manifest and the results will be published on:14:36
skaet#link http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds14:36
* skaet started working on it yesterday, and but wants to get some review before deploying. 14:36
skaetWill announce in #ubuntu-release channel when dailies  include all of 12.04.1 manifest targets.14:36
skaetNeed to start getting flavors testing their images, and seeing if there are any surprises.14:36
skaet..14:36
stgraber#topic AOB14:37
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stgraberbug 1025515 made the reviews a bit trickier yesterday, but it's been fixed now, so I'm expecting a bunch of SRUs hitting proposed soon14:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1025515 in Launchpad itself "LP diffs are being linked at http://lplibrarian-private-download.internal:8000" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102551514:37
ScottKWhat's the deadline for getting into -proposed?  There's a candidate issue in postfix that I'm considering tackling after the current SRU is copied to -udpates.14:38
skaet08/0214:40
ScottKThanks.14:40
stgraber#endmeeting14:40
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stgraberthanks everyone!14:40
skaetThanks stgraber!  :)14:40
jibelthanks stgraber14:41
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* AlanBell wonders if the CC meeting is nowish17:01
YokoZarMy thoughts as well :)17:01
YokoZar#startmeeting Community Council17:03
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YokoZarHello everyone.  Looks like attendance might be sparse for this CC meeting, it conflicts with OS-Con :)17:04
YokoZar#topic IRC Council Checkup17:04
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AlanBellsabdfl's talk is over, I watched it ;)17:05
YokoZarFirst we usually start with the council checkups -- Who from the IRC council is here? :)17:05
AlanBellme17:05
AlanBellPici is too17:05
Pici\o17:06
YokoZarWell then, hello to you both :)17:06
cprofittwelcome Pici and AlanBell17:06
AlanBellTm_T might also be around17:06
PiciHowdy17:06
AlanBellso, anything in particular you would like us to cover?17:06
beunoAlanBell, first of all, you've been awesome.17:08
YokoZarWell, the usual thing we like to do is find out if we're overlooking anything as well17:08
AlanBell:)17:08
YokoZarSuch as opportunities for the CC to smooth things over with other groups/canonical17:08
cprofittYes, I will second that as well - awesome work AlanBell17:09
AlanBellso maybe I could run through some stuff since the last checkup17:09
cprofittyes, please do.17:09
AlanBellwe have a new batch of operators from when we processed all the queues17:09
AlanBellI arranged some training sessions for them this afternoon for next thursday and the week after17:10
AlanBellthis was a bit later than planned, but we have been busy with other stuff too17:10
PiciWe're also trialing a new on-topic Ubuntu centric discussion channel.17:10
AlanBellwe went through an election process and filled the 5th seat on the council and are really happy to have tm_t as the new council member17:11
AlanBellhe has an 18 month term so we all expire at the same time17:11
AlanBellyes, the new #ubuntu-discuss channel has been set up17:12
YokoZarPici: AlanBell how "noisy" is #ubuntu-discuss these days?17:12
* YokoZar wonders if such a general chat concept can hold given enough growth 17:12
AlanBellit could be a little noisier, there have been a number of interesting and productive discussions there17:12
PiciYokoZar: Not as busy as we had hoped, but we're still trying to nurture it.17:12
AlanBellit might not work out, but the only way to find out is to try it17:13
cprofittI saw some plans to help people become more aware of alternate avenues of getting help -- like ask.ubuntu.com -- how is that going?17:13
AlanBellwell those are certainly places we point people17:14
AlanBellincluding people who for whatever reason don't seem to be able to work constructively in the IRC environment17:14
PiciWe added askubuntu to our 'other places to ask' factoid a while ago.17:14
* cprofitt likes factoids17:15
PiciAnd more recently, I've noticed more helpers suggest links from it as solutions.17:15
* YokoZar remembers a discussion with someone about how this and that distro had more people "ready to help in IRC" than Ubuntu. I noted it was probably just a lack of alternative places to go.17:15
IdleOneif I may?17:16
cprofittI give big kudos to folks that help in #ubuntu, there is a lot of volume in that chanel17:16
YokoZarOf course17:16
cprofittIdleOne: always17:16
IdleOneThere was some talk in #ubuntuforums about where they should do support if any and where they should send users looking for non forums type support. #ubuntu-beginners was one of the channels being thought of. I suggested that perhaps #ubuntu would be better because -beginners is not very busy. The stsaint and I mentioned it in the -ops-team channel so the rest of the team could be aware of what was going on17:16
AlanBellwe also put together https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/SupportersGuide as a guide for helpers17:16
IdleOneso, yeah we as a team need to start mentioning the forums and askubuntu a little more perhaps.17:17
cprofittvery nice wiki page AlanBell17:17
czajkowskiAlanBell: nice work17:19
cprofittAre you planning on making improvements in any other areas? Are there areas you need the assistance of the CC with?17:20
AlanBellI think we are OK for now, it was good to work with the CC for the election of Tm_T, but I don't think there is anything specific coming up that we need assistance with17:21
PiciI can't think of anything right now either.17:23
YokoZarAll right, perhaps we should move on then17:24
AlanBellI was thinking of encouraging some more of our operators to apply for the next UDS17:24
cprofittGreat work guys -- thank you.17:24
YokoZarSpeaking of UDS...17:25
czajkowskianything else?17:25
* YokoZar is still a bit unsure of if the mechanics of it have been settled.17:25
AlanBellthanks czajkowski cprofitt YokoZar o/17:26
cprofittYou are most welcome AlanBell -- a big thank you to the IRC Council and all the IRC OPs17:26
AlanBellyay, our ops are awesome17:26
IdleOne:) I'll take that compliment17:27
YokoZar#topic Fixed Agenda Items -- Review last team report17:27
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IdleOneour irc council is aawesome too17:27
IdleOne-a17:27
YokoZar:)17:28
* YokoZar looks over last team reports17:28
YokoZarseems none was made for last meeting, but there is still an open question of the RT ticket with the forums.  Best to followup on email I think unless that's settled17:29
YokoZar#topic Fixed Agenda Items -- Update team report17:30
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YokoZarMoving on, I need a cc volunteer to do the standard wiki page updates17:31
GwaihirYokoZar, am updating the reports, at least linking the logs one are ready17:33
Gwaihircan update the wiki page too to reflect that17:33
YokoZarExcellent Gwaihir :)17:34
Gwaihirwe need to send out emails to the LoCo Council about next catch up17:34
Gwaihirczajkowski, ^^17:34
czajkowskiconsider it done.17:35
czajkowskiGwaihir: that for the 2nd of August?17:35
Gwaihirczajkowski, yep, as long as we do not go on holidays :-)17:35
czajkowskino holidays are the following week for me :)17:36
YokoZarOk, if Gwaihir is doing the wiki stuff and czajkowski is doing the reminder mail, then I think we done except for picking a next chair17:36
czajkowskia whole 9 days off irc!17:36
YokoZarwhich, honestly, we might as well do 2 minutes before the meeting as usual :D17:36
czajkowskiYokoZar: or pick on beuno :)17:36
GwaihirYokoZar, it is funnier :-)17:37
YokoZarI agree with volunteering beuno :D17:37
YokoZar#endmeeting17:37
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Gwaihirczajkowski, wanna help out with moving stuff here? I have to move into a new house, might be a nice holiday!17:37
beunooy!17:38
czajkowskieh.. I could send the sister she loves Italy :)17:38
czajkowskibeuno: old!17:38
czajkowskibeuno: ola even17:38
czajkowskioops17:38
Gwaihirczajkowski, am not in Italy, I live in the South of France ;-)17:38
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IdleOne#startmeeting 2200 UTC Membership meeting22:01
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IdleOneWho is here for the 22:00 UTC Membership meeting22:02
IdleOneo/22:02
IdleOneSince we don't have anybody applying for membership it has been decided (behind the scenes) to cancel this weeks meeting. See ya next time.22:03
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