[14:01]  * stgraber waves
[14:01] <skaet> hiya
[14:01] <seb128> hey
[14:03] <stgraber> #startmeeting 12.04.1 team meeting
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[14:03] <stgraber> NCommander, stokachu, jibel, smoser, jamespage: around?
[14:03] <smoser> o/
[14:03] <jamespage> o/
[14:05] <stgraber> #topic Action items review
[14:05] <stgraber> xnox to liase with ballons, gema and jibel w.r.t. fs/storage testing
[14:05] <stgraber> haven't heard about it and xnox isn't around, so keeping it for next meeting
[14:05] <jibel> no news from xnox
[14:05] <stgraber> stgraber to review and sponsor bug 977947, bug 977952 and bug 977940
[14:06] <stgraber> I've been talking to stokachu and asked for a rebuild test of the rdepends (as is required for multi-arch changes)
[14:06] <stgraber> I haven't got a status update from him yet... hoping these will be done soon so we can finally upload these
[14:06] <stgraber> skaet to poke the SRU team and see what can be done to process the current backlog
[14:07]  * skaet poked
[14:07] <skaet> plan discussed earlier this week,   but couple of steps, rather than immediate reaction.
[14:08] <skaet> if there are specific blockers,  please flag in #ubuntu-release
[14:08] <skaet> mostly the processing seems to be keeping up (ie. its not getting worse),  verification is issue though.
[14:08] <stgraber> stgraber to change the meeting to a weekly meeting
[14:09] <stgraber> skaet: I've been trying to help a bit with verification this week. Trying to clear these that area >= 7 days
[14:09] <stgraber> I know I've got a bunch more to go through today (that reach their 7 days today)
[14:09] <skaet> Thanks stgraber!  :)
[14:09] <stgraber> as for the weekly meeting action item, well, as you can see, it's done ;)
[14:10] <skaet> :)
[14:10] <stgraber> #topic Review of upcoming deadlines
[14:10] <NCommander> Sorry, I'm running late. Was OTp'ed
[14:10] <skaet> Today is new hardware freeze,  and I think most of the new hardware bits are in place....
[14:10] <stgraber>  * 2012/08/02: Beginning of PointReleaseProcess and
[14:10] <stgraber> DesktopInfrastructureFreeze
[14:10] <stgraber>  * 2012/08/09: KernelFreeze, LanguageTranslationDeadline, SRU Fix
[14:10] <stgraber> Validation Testing
[14:10] <stgraber>  * 2012/08/16: FinalFreeze, ReleaseNoteFreeze
[14:10] <stgraber>  * 2012/08/23: Ubuntu 12.04.1
[14:11] <NCommander> skaet: right, so base-installer, libd-i, and f-k got uploaded
[14:11] <stgraber> skaet: oh right, forgot that one, yeah I believe we were just waiting for highbank and NCommander took care of it
[14:11] <NCommander> d-i patch is done and works, but f-k had a bug that didn'tpot untilit was in archive,so I needto do a second upload to fix
[14:12] <NCommander> stgraber: its looking like d-i will get uploaded tomorrow dueto the f-k hiccup, but all the code works now,and it passesthe netboot QA test case
[14:12] <NCommander> (may get uploaded tonight, depends how many hours of consciousness I can mantain)
[14:13]  * NCommander is done
[14:13] <skaet> stgraber,  also the walinuxagent is available, and gotten in to 12.10,  but needs to be reviewed for 12.04.1 still.
[14:14] <stgraber> skaet: do we have a bug targeted to 12.04.1 for it? I don't remember seeing one when I went through the list last time
[14:14] <jamespage> stgraber, yep - one second
[14:14] <skaet> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/walinuxagent/+bug/1014864
[14:15] <jamespage> skaet, so we are treating this like hardware enablement?
[14:15] <stgraber> are you also planning to have it in main there?
[14:16] <skaet> jamespage, its in a grey area,  but that's closest.
[14:16] <smoser> yes, main.
[14:16] <stgraber> is the security team aware that they'll have to support it for the 12.04 too?
[14:16] <jamespage> stgraber, I believe so but I will check
[14:17] <stgraber> I don't see it mentioned in the bug, so adding a package to the supported list post-release would probably need to be mentioned to everyone involved :)
[14:17] <stgraber> jamespage: ok, thanks
[14:17] <stgraber> #topic Quick look through the current bug lists
[14:17] <NCommander> (side note: f-k uploaded, just needs a SRU push, and then a publisher run and I can uploadd-i)
[14:17] <stgraber> so the list once again doesn't look extremely good. We went from 112 entries up to 121 entries
[14:18] <stgraber> that's 90 without the fix commited ones
[14:18] <stgraber> and around 75 without the ones currently sitting in the queue
[14:19] <stgraber> of these remaining 75, 30 are still without assignees
[14:19] <stgraber> mostly desktop and servre bugs
[14:19] <stgraber> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.milestone%3Alist=49926&field.component-empty-marke
[14:20] <stgraber> http://goo.gl/4KgFI in case that link didn't paste properly
[14:21] <seb128> I will assign bugs for desktop, though they are mostly on track but I don't usually bother setting the assignee when that's the case
[14:21] <stgraber> there was two foundations bug in there (at least), I assigned these two now
[14:22] <skaet> getting those with patches attached,  processed quickly would be good as well.   if possible.
[14:22] <stgraber> yeah, some of these have been fixed in quantal or have patches attached, so are pretty trivial fixes. I've been pushing a few of these yesterday, will try to spend some more time today for that
[14:24] <stgraber> would be good to remind your teammates that they only have roughly two weeks left to get these fixes into -proposed, so it's really time to update the status of these bugs and move these that won't get fixed
[14:26] <stgraber> #topic Round table
[14:26] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~$ echo $(shuf -e NCommander seb128 stgraber jibel skaet smoser jamespage)
[14:26] <stgraber> seb128 NCommander jibel smoser stgraber jamespage skaet
[14:26] <stgraber> seb128: you're up!
[14:26] <seb128> hey
[14:27] <seb128> nothing special to say, desktop SRUs still go at a good pace
[14:27] <seb128> the unity SRU round is ready from today, should hit the queue soon
[14:27] <seb128> it's good to see that we got a good round of SRU reviews some days ago
[14:27] <seb128> the second round of compiz,unity SRUs with the performances improvements might be delayed to 12.04.2
[14:27] <seb128> if it's getting too late
[14:27] <seb128> ..
[14:28] <stgraber> NCommander:
[14:28] <NCommander> need flash-kernel iushed into proposed so I can do a second d-i install, then upload and finalize the SRU
[14:28]  * NCommander is lagging, sorry
[14:29] <NCommander> Beyond that highbank enablement looks solid
[14:29] <NCommander> ..
[14:29] <stgraber> jibel:
[14:29] <jibel> must investigate  upgrade bug 1022864
[14:30] <jibel> 1 failure yesterday with precise desktop i386, but was transient and todays looks good
[14:30] <jibel> ..
[14:30] <stgraber> smoser:
[14:31] <smoser> jamespage, volunteered to take my spot
[14:31] <jamespage> ta
[14:31] <jamespage> still pushing through SRU's for the server packages.
[14:31] <jamespage> juju bugs have now been reviewed and we now only have a few outstanding for 12.04.1
[14:32] <jamespage> maas - still making decisions on what will be SRU'ed for 12.04.1
[14:32] <jamespage> so not much progress there
[14:32] <jamespage> as skaet mentioned walinuxagent is required for windows azure enablement in 12.04
[14:32] <jamespage> thats getting some focus
[14:33] <jamespage> and rbasak has reworked the apache/module multiarch fix; which got uploaded today...
[14:33] <jamespage> ..
[14:34] <stgraber> yay for apache2/mod_security! that one has been waiting in -proposed for a long time
[14:34] <stgraber> stgraber:
[14:34] <stgraber> been doing a bunch of verifications in -proposed, more to come today
[14:35] <stgraber> Uploaded a new ubiquity with a bunch of fixes, also resolvconf (1 fix), krb5 (1 upgrade fix) and libxslt (multi-arch bug)
[14:35] <stgraber> Went through all the foundations related bugs during our team meeting, will continue to do so until the point release, trying to get people to prioritize that work
[14:36] <stgraber> ..
[14:36] <stgraber> skaet:
[14:36] <skaet> Discussed translation plan with David Plannella,  working to make sure coverage during vacations.
[14:36] <skaet> 12.04.1 Manifest has been updated, mostly signed off, can be found at:
[14:36] <skaet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseManifest/12.04.1
[14:36] <skaet> Daily cron builds will be set up to reflect the signed off manifest and the results will be published on:
[14:36] <skaet> #link http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
[14:36]  * skaet started working on it yesterday,  and but wants to get some review before deploying.  
[14:36] <skaet> Will announce in #ubuntu-release channel when dailies  include all of 12.04.1 manifest targets.
[14:36] <skaet> Need to start getting flavors testing their images, and seeing if there are any surprises.
[14:36] <skaet> ..
[14:37] <stgraber> #topic AOB
[14:37] <stgraber> bug 1025515 made the reviews a bit trickier yesterday, but it's been fixed now, so I'm expecting a bunch of SRUs hitting proposed soon
[14:38] <ScottK> What's the deadline for getting into -proposed?  There's a candidate issue in postfix that I'm considering tackling after the current SRU is copied to -udpates.
[14:40] <skaet> 08/02
[14:40] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:40] <stgraber> #endmeeting
[14:40] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jul 19 14:40:43 2012 UTC.
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[14:40] <stgraber> thanks everyone!
[14:40] <skaet> Thanks stgraber!  :)
[14:41] <jibel> thanks stgraber
[17:01]  * AlanBell wonders if the CC meeting is nowish
[17:01] <YokoZar> My thoughts as well :)
[17:03] <YokoZar> #startmeeting Community Council
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[17:04] <YokoZar> Hello everyone.  Looks like attendance might be sparse for this CC meeting, it conflicts with OS-Con :)
[17:04] <YokoZar> #topic IRC Council Checkup
[17:05] <AlanBell> sabdfl's talk is over, I watched it ;)
[17:05] <YokoZar> First we usually start with the council checkups -- Who from the IRC council is here? :)
[17:05] <AlanBell> me
[17:05] <AlanBell> Pici is too
[17:06] <Pici> \o
[17:06] <YokoZar> Well then, hello to you both :)
[17:06] <cprofitt> welcome Pici and AlanBell
[17:06] <AlanBell> Tm_T might also be around
[17:06] <Pici> Howdy
[17:06] <AlanBell> so, anything in particular you would like us to cover?
[17:08] <beuno> AlanBell, first of all, you've been awesome.
[17:08] <YokoZar> Well, the usual thing we like to do is find out if we're overlooking anything as well
[17:08] <AlanBell> :)
[17:08] <YokoZar> Such as opportunities for the CC to smooth things over with other groups/canonical
[17:09] <cprofitt> Yes, I will second that as well - awesome work AlanBell
[17:09] <AlanBell> so maybe I could run through some stuff since the last checkup
[17:09] <cprofitt> yes, please do.
[17:09] <AlanBell> we have a new batch of operators from when we processed all the queues
[17:10] <AlanBell> I arranged some training sessions for them this afternoon for next thursday and the week after
[17:10] <AlanBell> this was a bit later than planned, but we have been busy with other stuff too
[17:10] <Pici> We're also trialing a new on-topic Ubuntu centric discussion channel.
[17:11] <AlanBell> we went through an election process and filled the 5th seat on the council and are really happy to have tm_t as the new council member
[17:11] <AlanBell> he has an 18 month term so we all expire at the same time
[17:12] <AlanBell> yes, the new #ubuntu-discuss channel has been set up
[17:12] <YokoZar> Pici: AlanBell how "noisy" is #ubuntu-discuss these days?
[17:12]  * YokoZar wonders if such a general chat concept can hold given enough growth 
[17:12] <AlanBell> it could be a little noisier, there have been a number of interesting and productive discussions there
[17:12] <Pici> YokoZar: Not as busy as we had hoped, but we're still trying to nurture it.
[17:13] <AlanBell> it might not work out, but the only way to find out is to try it
[17:13] <cprofitt> I saw some plans to help people become more aware of alternate avenues of getting help -- like ask.ubuntu.com -- how is that going?
[17:14] <AlanBell> well those are certainly places we point people
[17:14] <AlanBell> including people who for whatever reason don't seem to be able to work constructively in the IRC environment
[17:14] <Pici> We added askubuntu to our 'other places to ask' factoid a while ago.
[17:15]  * cprofitt likes factoids
[17:15] <Pici> And more recently, I've noticed more helpers suggest links from it as solutions.
[17:15]  * YokoZar remembers a discussion with someone about how this and that distro had more people "ready to help in IRC" than Ubuntu.  I noted it was probably just a lack of alternative places to go.
[17:16] <IdleOne> if I may?
[17:16] <cprofitt> I give big kudos to folks that help in #ubuntu, there is a lot of volume in that chanel
[17:16] <YokoZar> Of course
[17:16] <cprofitt> IdleOne: always
[17:16] <IdleOne> There was some talk in #ubuntuforums about where they should do support if any and where they should send users looking for non forums type support. #ubuntu-beginners was one of the channels being thought of. I suggested that perhaps #ubuntu would be better because -beginners is not very busy. The stsaint and I mentioned it in the -ops-team channel so the rest of the team could be aware of what was going on
[17:16] <AlanBell> we also put together https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/SupportersGuide as a guide for helpers
[17:17] <IdleOne> so, yeah we as a team need to start mentioning the forums and askubuntu a little more perhaps.
[17:17] <cprofitt> very nice wiki page AlanBell
[17:19] <czajkowski> AlanBell: nice work
[17:20] <cprofitt> Are you planning on making improvements in any other areas? Are there areas you need the assistance of the CC with?
[17:21] <AlanBell> I think we are OK for now, it was good to work with the CC for the election of Tm_T, but I don't think there is anything specific coming up that we need assistance with
[17:23] <Pici> I can't think of anything right now either.
[17:24] <YokoZar> All right, perhaps we should move on then
[17:24] <AlanBell> I was thinking of encouraging some more of our operators to apply for the next UDS
[17:24] <cprofitt> Great work guys -- thank you.
[17:25] <YokoZar> Speaking of UDS...
[17:25] <czajkowski> anything else?
[17:25]  * YokoZar is still a bit unsure of if the mechanics of it have been settled.
[17:26] <AlanBell> thanks czajkowski cprofitt YokoZar o/
[17:26] <cprofitt> You are most welcome AlanBell -- a big thank you to the IRC Council and all the IRC OPs
[17:26] <AlanBell> yay, our ops are awesome
[17:27] <IdleOne> :) I'll take that compliment
[17:27] <YokoZar> #topic Fixed Agenda Items -- Review last team report
[17:27] <IdleOne> our irc council is aawesome too
[17:27] <IdleOne> -a
[17:28] <YokoZar> :)
[17:28]  * YokoZar looks over last team reports
[17:29] <YokoZar> seems none was made for last meeting, but there is still an open question of the RT ticket with the forums.  Best to followup on email I think unless that's settled
[17:30] <YokoZar> #topic Fixed Agenda Items -- Update team report
[17:31] <YokoZar> Moving on, I need a cc volunteer to do the standard wiki page updates
[17:33] <Gwaihir> YokoZar, am updating the reports, at least linking the logs one are ready
[17:33] <Gwaihir> can update the wiki page too to reflect that
[17:34] <YokoZar> Excellent Gwaihir :)
[17:34] <Gwaihir> we need to send out emails to the LoCo Council about next catch up
[17:34] <Gwaihir> czajkowski, ^^
[17:35] <czajkowski> consider it done.
[17:35] <czajkowski> Gwaihir: that for the 2nd of August?
[17:35] <Gwaihir> czajkowski, yep, as long as we do not go on holidays :-)
[17:36] <czajkowski> no holidays are the following week for me :)
[17:36] <YokoZar> Ok, if Gwaihir is doing the wiki stuff and czajkowski is doing the reminder mail, then I think we done except for picking a next chair
[17:36] <czajkowski> a whole 9 days off irc!
[17:36] <YokoZar> which, honestly, we might as well do 2 minutes before the meeting as usual :D
[17:36] <czajkowski> YokoZar: or pick on beuno :)
[17:37] <Gwaihir> YokoZar, it is funnier :-)
[17:37] <YokoZar> I agree with volunteering beuno :D
[17:37] <YokoZar> #endmeeting
[17:37] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jul 19 17:37:28 2012 UTC.
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[17:37] <Gwaihir> czajkowski, wanna help out with moving stuff here? I have to move into a new house, might be a nice holiday!
[17:38] <beuno> oy!
[17:38] <czajkowski> eh.. I could send the sister she loves Italy :)
[17:38] <czajkowski> beuno: old!
[17:38] <czajkowski> beuno: ola even
[17:38] <czajkowski> oops
[17:38] <Gwaihir> czajkowski, am not in Italy, I live in the South of France ;-)
[22:01] <IdleOne> #startmeeting 2200 UTC Membership meeting
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[22:02] <IdleOne> Who is here for the 22:00 UTC Membership meeting
[22:02] <IdleOne> o/
[22:03] <IdleOne> Since we don't have anybody applying for membership it has been decided (behind the scenes) to cancel this weeks meeting. See ya next time.
[22:03] <IdleOne> #endmeeting
[22:03] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jul 19 22:03:32 2012 UTC.
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