=== Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum === ejat- is now known as ejat === ashams_ is now known as ashams === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [14:01] * stgraber waves [14:01] hiya [14:01] hey [14:03] #startmeeting 12.04.1 team meeting [14:03] Meeting started Thu Jul 19 14:03:00 2012 UTC. The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 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[14:03] o/ [14:03] o/ [14:05] #topic Action items review === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 12.04.1 team meeting Meeting | Current topic: Action items review [14:05] xnox to liase with ballons, gema and jibel w.r.t. fs/storage testing [14:05] haven't heard about it and xnox isn't around, so keeping it for next meeting [14:05] no news from xnox [14:05] stgraber to review and sponsor bug 977947, bug 977952 and bug 977940 [14:05] Launchpad bug 977947 in libbonobo (Ubuntu Precise) "Please transition libbonobo to multi-arch" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/977947 [14:05] Launchpad bug 977952 in libbonoboui (Ubuntu Precise) "Please transition libbonoboui to multi-arch" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/977952 [14:06] Launchpad bug 977940 in gnome-vfs (Ubuntu Precise) "Please transition gnome-vfs to multi-arch" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/977940 [14:06] I've been talking to stokachu and asked for a rebuild test of the rdepends (as is required for multi-arch changes) [14:06] I haven't got a status update from him yet... hoping these will be done soon so we can finally upload these [14:06] skaet to poke the SRU team and see what can be done to process the current backlog [14:07] * skaet poked [14:07] plan discussed earlier this week, but couple of steps, rather than immediate reaction. [14:08] if there are specific blockers, please flag in #ubuntu-release [14:08] mostly the processing seems to be keeping up (ie. its not getting worse), verification is issue though. [14:08] stgraber to change the meeting to a weekly meeting [14:09] skaet: I've been trying to help a bit with verification this week. Trying to clear these that area >= 7 days [14:09] I know I've got a bunch more to go through today (that reach their 7 days today) [14:09] Thanks stgraber! :) [14:09] as for the weekly meeting action item, well, as you can see, it's done ;) [14:10] :) [14:10] #topic Review of upcoming deadlines === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 12.04.1 team meeting Meeting | Current topic: Review of upcoming deadlines [14:10] Sorry, I'm running late. Was OTp'ed [14:10] Today is new hardware freeze, and I think most of the new hardware bits are in place.... [14:10] * 2012/08/02: Beginning of PointReleaseProcess and [14:10] DesktopInfrastructureFreeze [14:10] * 2012/08/09: KernelFreeze, LanguageTranslationDeadline, SRU Fix [14:10] Validation Testing [14:10] * 2012/08/16: FinalFreeze, ReleaseNoteFreeze [14:10] * 2012/08/23: Ubuntu 12.04.1 [14:11] skaet: right, so base-installer, libd-i, and f-k got uploaded [14:11] skaet: oh right, forgot that one, yeah I believe we were just waiting for highbank and NCommander took care of it [14:11] d-i patch is done and works, but f-k had a bug that didn'tpot untilit was in archive,so I needto do a second upload to fix [14:12] stgraber: its looking like d-i will get uploaded tomorrow dueto the f-k hiccup, but all the code works now,and it passesthe netboot QA test case [14:12] (may get uploaded tonight, depends how many hours of consciousness I can mantain) [14:13] * NCommander is done [14:13] stgraber, also the walinuxagent is available, and gotten in to 12.10, but needs to be reviewed for 12.04.1 still. [14:14] skaet: do we have a bug targeted to 12.04.1 for it? I don't remember seeing one when I went through the list last time [14:14] stgraber, yep - one second [14:14] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/walinuxagent/+bug/1014864 [14:14] Launchpad bug 1014864 in walinuxagent (Ubuntu Precise) "[MIR] walinuxagent" [High,New] [14:15] skaet, so we are treating this like hardware enablement? [14:15] are you also planning to have it in main there? [14:16] jamespage, its in a grey area, but that's closest. [14:16] yes, main. [14:16] is the security team aware that they'll have to support it for the 12.04 too? [14:16] stgraber, I believe so but I will check [14:17] I don't see it mentioned in the bug, so adding a package to the supported list post-release would probably need to be mentioned to everyone involved :) [14:17] jamespage: ok, thanks [14:17] #topic Quick look through the current bug lists === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 12.04.1 team meeting Meeting | Current topic: Quick look through the current bug lists [14:17] (side note: f-k uploaded, just needs a SRU push, and then a publisher run and I can uploadd-i) [14:17] so the list once again doesn't look extremely good. We went from 112 entries up to 121 entries [14:18] that's 90 without the fix commited ones [14:18] and around 75 without the ones currently sitting in the queue [14:19] of these remaining 75, 30 are still without assignees [14:19] mostly desktop and servre bugs [14:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.milestone%3Alist=49926&field.component-empty-marke [14:20] http://goo.gl/4KgFI in case that link didn't paste properly [14:21] I will assign bugs for desktop, though they are mostly on track but I don't usually bother setting the assignee when that's the case [14:21] there was two foundations bug in there (at least), I assigned these two now [14:22] getting those with patches attached, processed quickly would be good as well. if possible. [14:22] yeah, some of these have been fixed in quantal or have patches attached, so are pretty trivial fixes. I've been pushing a few of these yesterday, will try to spend some more time today for that [14:24] would be good to remind your teammates that they only have roughly two weeks left to get these fixes into -proposed, so it's really time to update the status of these bugs and move these that won't get fixed [14:26] #topic Round table === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 12.04.1 team meeting Meeting | Current topic: Round table [14:26] stgraber@castiana:~$ echo $(shuf -e NCommander seb128 stgraber jibel skaet smoser jamespage) [14:26] seb128 NCommander jibel smoser stgraber jamespage skaet [14:26] seb128: you're up! [14:26] hey [14:27] nothing special to say, desktop SRUs still go at a good pace [14:27] the unity SRU round is ready from today, should hit the queue soon [14:27] it's good to see that we got a good round of SRU reviews some days ago [14:27] the second round of compiz,unity SRUs with the performances improvements might be delayed to 12.04.2 [14:27] if it's getting too late [14:27] .. [14:28] NCommander: [14:28] need flash-kernel iushed into proposed so I can do a second d-i install, then upload and finalize the SRU [14:28] * NCommander is lagging, sorry [14:29] Beyond that highbank enablement looks solid [14:29] .. [14:29] jibel: [14:29] must investigate upgrade bug 1022864 [14:29] Launchpad bug 1022864 in gsettings-desktop-schemas (Ubuntu Quantal) "Lucid to Precise upgrade test failed: User settings are not preserved on upgrade" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1022864 [14:30] 1 failure yesterday with precise desktop i386, but was transient and todays looks good [14:30] .. [14:30] smoser: [14:31] jamespage, volunteered to take my spot [14:31] ta [14:31] still pushing through SRU's for the server packages. [14:31] juju bugs have now been reviewed and we now only have a few outstanding for 12.04.1 [14:32] maas - still making decisions on what will be SRU'ed for 12.04.1 [14:32] so not much progress there [14:32] as skaet mentioned walinuxagent is required for windows azure enablement in 12.04 [14:32] thats getting some focus [14:33] and rbasak has reworked the apache/module multiarch fix; which got uploaded today... [14:33] .. [14:34] yay for apache2/mod_security! that one has been waiting in -proposed for a long time [14:34] stgraber: [14:34] been doing a bunch of verifications in -proposed, more to come today [14:35] Uploaded a new ubiquity with a bunch of fixes, also resolvconf (1 fix), krb5 (1 upgrade fix) and libxslt (multi-arch bug) [14:35] Went through all the foundations related bugs during our team meeting, will continue to do so until the point release, trying to get people to prioritize that work [14:36] .. [14:36] skaet: [14:36] Discussed translation plan with David Plannella, working to make sure coverage during vacations. [14:36] 12.04.1 Manifest has been updated, mostly signed off, can be found at: [14:36] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseManifest/12.04.1 [14:36] Daily cron builds will be set up to reflect the signed off manifest and the results will be published on: [14:36] #link http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds [14:36] * skaet started working on it yesterday, and but wants to get some review before deploying. [14:36] Will announce in #ubuntu-release channel when dailies include all of 12.04.1 manifest targets. [14:36] Need to start getting flavors testing their images, and seeing if there are any surprises. [14:36] .. [14:37] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 12.04.1 team meeting Meeting | Current topic: AOB [14:37] bug 1025515 made the reviews a bit trickier yesterday, but it's been fixed now, so I'm expecting a bunch of SRUs hitting proposed soon [14:37] Launchpad bug 1025515 in Launchpad itself "LP diffs are being linked at http://lplibrarian-private-download.internal:8000" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1025515 [14:38] What's the deadline for getting into -proposed? There's a candidate issue in postfix that I'm considering tackling after the current SRU is copied to -udpates. [14:40] 08/02 [14:40] Thanks. [14:40] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [14:40] Meeting ended Thu Jul 19 14:40:43 2012 UTC. [14:40] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-19-14.03.moin.txt [14:40] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-19-14.03.html [14:40] thanks everyone! [14:40] Thanks stgraber! :) [14:41] thanks stgraber === akgraner` is now known as akgraner [17:01] * AlanBell wonders if the CC meeting is nowish [17:01] My thoughts as well :) [17:03] #startmeeting Community Council [17:03] Meeting started Thu Jul 19 17:03:31 2012 UTC. The chair is YokoZar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:03] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Community Council Meeting | Current topic: [17:04] Hello everyone. Looks like attendance might be sparse for this CC meeting, it conflicts with OS-Con :) [17:04] #topic IRC Council Checkup === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Community Council Meeting | Current topic: IRC Council Checkup [17:05] sabdfl's talk is over, I watched it ;) [17:05] First we usually start with the council checkups -- Who from the IRC council is here? :) [17:05] me [17:05] Pici is too [17:06] \o [17:06] Well then, hello to you both :) [17:06] welcome Pici and AlanBell [17:06] Tm_T might also be around [17:06] Howdy [17:06] so, anything in particular you would like us to cover? [17:08] AlanBell, first of all, you've been awesome. [17:08] Well, the usual thing we like to do is find out if we're overlooking anything as well [17:08] :) [17:08] Such as opportunities for the CC to smooth things over with other groups/canonical [17:09] Yes, I will second that as well - awesome work AlanBell [17:09] so maybe I could run through some stuff since the last checkup [17:09] yes, please do. [17:09] we have a new batch of operators from when we processed all the queues [17:10] I arranged some training sessions for them this afternoon for next thursday and the week after [17:10] this was a bit later than planned, but we have been busy with other stuff too [17:10] We're also trialing a new on-topic Ubuntu centric discussion channel. [17:11] we went through an election process and filled the 5th seat on the council and are really happy to have tm_t as the new council member [17:11] he has an 18 month term so we all expire at the same time [17:12] yes, the new #ubuntu-discuss channel has been set up [17:12] Pici: AlanBell how "noisy" is #ubuntu-discuss these days? [17:12] * YokoZar wonders if such a general chat concept can hold given enough growth [17:12] it could be a little noisier, there have been a number of interesting and productive discussions there [17:12] YokoZar: Not as busy as we had hoped, but we're still trying to nurture it. [17:13] it might not work out, but the only way to find out is to try it [17:13] I saw some plans to help people become more aware of alternate avenues of getting help -- like ask.ubuntu.com -- how is that going? [17:14] well those are certainly places we point people [17:14] including people who for whatever reason don't seem to be able to work constructively in the IRC environment [17:14] We added askubuntu to our 'other places to ask' factoid a while ago. [17:15] * cprofitt likes factoids [17:15] And more recently, I've noticed more helpers suggest links from it as solutions. [17:15] * YokoZar remembers a discussion with someone about how this and that distro had more people "ready to help in IRC" than Ubuntu. I noted it was probably just a lack of alternative places to go. [17:16] if I may? [17:16] I give big kudos to folks that help in #ubuntu, there is a lot of volume in that chanel [17:16] Of course [17:16] IdleOne: always [17:16] There was some talk in #ubuntuforums about where they should do support if any and where they should send users looking for non forums type support. #ubuntu-beginners was one of the channels being thought of. I suggested that perhaps #ubuntu would be better because -beginners is not very busy. The stsaint and I mentioned it in the -ops-team channel so the rest of the team could be aware of what was going on [17:16] we also put together https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/SupportersGuide as a guide for helpers [17:17] so, yeah we as a team need to start mentioning the forums and askubuntu a little more perhaps. [17:17] very nice wiki page AlanBell [17:19] AlanBell: nice work [17:20] Are you planning on making improvements in any other areas? Are there areas you need the assistance of the CC with? [17:21] I think we are OK for now, it was good to work with the CC for the election of Tm_T, but I don't think there is anything specific coming up that we need assistance with [17:23] I can't think of anything right now either. [17:24] All right, perhaps we should move on then [17:24] I was thinking of encouraging some more of our operators to apply for the next UDS [17:24] Great work guys -- thank you. [17:25] Speaking of UDS... [17:25] anything else? [17:25] * YokoZar is still a bit unsure of if the mechanics of it have been settled. [17:26] thanks czajkowski cprofitt YokoZar o/ [17:26] You are most welcome AlanBell -- a big thank you to the IRC Council and all the IRC OPs [17:26] yay, our ops are awesome [17:27] :) I'll take that compliment [17:27] #topic Fixed Agenda Items -- Review last team report === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Community Council Meeting | Current topic: Fixed Agenda Items -- Review last team report [17:27] our irc council is aawesome too [17:27] -a [17:28] :) [17:28] * YokoZar looks over last team reports [17:29] seems none was made for last meeting, but there is still an open question of the RT ticket with the forums. Best to followup on email I think unless that's settled [17:30] #topic Fixed Agenda Items -- Update team report === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Community Council Meeting | Current topic: Fixed Agenda Items -- Update team report [17:31] Moving on, I need a cc volunteer to do the standard wiki page updates [17:33] YokoZar, am updating the reports, at least linking the logs one are ready [17:33] can update the wiki page too to reflect that [17:34] Excellent Gwaihir :) [17:34] we need to send out emails to the LoCo Council about next catch up [17:34] czajkowski, ^^ [17:35] consider it done. [17:35] Gwaihir: that for the 2nd of August? [17:35] czajkowski, yep, as long as we do not go on holidays :-) [17:36] no holidays are the following week for me :) [17:36] Ok, if Gwaihir is doing the wiki stuff and czajkowski is doing the reminder mail, then I think we done except for picking a next chair [17:36] a whole 9 days off irc! [17:36] which, honestly, we might as well do 2 minutes before the meeting as usual :D [17:36] YokoZar: or pick on beuno :) [17:37] YokoZar, it is funnier :-) [17:37] I agree with volunteering beuno :D [17:37] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:37] Meeting ended Thu Jul 19 17:37:28 2012 UTC. [17:37] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-19-17.03.moin.txt [17:37] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-19-17.03.html [17:37] czajkowski, wanna help out with moving stuff here? I have to move into a new house, might be a nice holiday! [17:38] oy! [17:38] eh.. I could send the sister she loves Italy :) [17:38] beuno: old! [17:38] beuno: ola even [17:38] oops [17:38] czajkowski, am not in Italy, I live in the South of France ;-) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [22:01] #startmeeting 2200 UTC Membership meeting [22:01] Meeting started Thu Jul 19 22:01:56 2012 UTC. The chair is IdleOne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [22:01] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 2200 UTC Membership meeting Meeting | Current topic: [22:02] Who is here for the 22:00 UTC Membership meeting [22:02] o/ [22:03] Since we don't have anybody applying for membership it has been decided (behind the scenes) to cancel this weeks meeting. See ya next time. [22:03] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [22:03] Meeting ended Thu Jul 19 22:03:32 2012 UTC. [22:03] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-19-22.01.moin.txt [22:03] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-19-22.01.html