[06:48] <christel> GOOD MORNING \o/
[07:15] <diplo> Morning all
[07:25] <christel> hullu diplo duplo \o/
[07:59] <diplo> :)
[08:02]  * diplo is waiting to get told off for transferring 4gb of files from Nottingham to here
[08:02] <diplo> Failed over night :(
[08:02] <christel> auchies :(
[08:03] <diplo> Well I could say, I can do it uncompressed if you like which equals 27GB :)
[08:03] <christel> *grin*
[08:03] <christel> aaah.. 9am! i should stop procrastinating and enter Work Mode (iow, i should procrastinate over work instead)
[08:04] <diplo> I can't be bothered to work tbh either
[08:12] <christel> mmm
[08:12] <christel> i am tired
[08:17] <diplo> Seems it's just you and me this morning christel
[08:17] <czajkowski> no am here
[08:17] <czajkowski> just am pooped
[08:18] <diplo> heh, it's got to be the weather as so am I
[08:18] <diplo> Night before last didn't get to sleep till 4:30, and last night didn't make it feel any better :/
[08:18] <christel> just as we thought we had the channel all to ourselves... ;)
[08:18]  * christel tickles czajkowski 
[08:19] <czajkowski> ello :)
[08:20] <christel> how are you my wonderfully pretty girl?
[08:20] <czajkowski> sleepy
[08:20] <czajkowski> oh so sleepy
[08:20] <czajkowski> was in bed at 9 last night
[08:20] <christel> too much sleep? :)
[08:22] <czajkowski> no I've ben awake since 5
[08:22] <czajkowski> just tired
[08:23] <christel> auchies
[08:25] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:25] <AlanBell> just reading this article about unity on Fedora http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE0Mjc
[08:26] <AlanBell> what I don't understand is that reading the article it appears that unity is not in any way in Fedora, but in OpenSUSE
[08:27] <AlanBell> which is I guess RPM files
[08:27] <christel> morning AlanBell
[08:27] <christel> that would indeed appear to be written in a somewhat confusing manner
[08:30] <AlanBell> I suppose the screenshots are of Fedora running those openSUSE packages or something, I think the openSUSE build service is like launchpad PPAs or something
[08:31] <christel> one of my clients just sent me a shedload of "really urgent work" and then went "But please make yourself a coffee and have a little break before you start, haha :)" -- i suspect whatever they've just sent through is complete and utter bollocks
[08:31] <christel> perhaps
[08:31] <christel> (they don't normally tell me to have a break when something is "really urgent") o.O
[08:32]  * AlanBell has an overwhelming number of OpenERP leads to call. Too much open source business out there :S
[08:32] <christel> that's good!
[08:33] <diplo> Good work boys, your name is getting around and in a good way it seems :)
[08:34] <AlanBell> it is a nice problem to have, but I am not really a natural salesperson
[08:35] <diplo> Same issue for me, can take sales but selling a product i find hard
[08:36] <AlanBell> I don't like phoning people at the best of times, and I have 26 enquries to follow up this morning
[08:37] <christel> sok, you just need to hire someone with an amazing telephone voice to woo them into saying yes
[08:37] <christel> simplez
[08:37]  * diplo has a feeling christel is selling herself here
[08:37] <christel> hahaha
[08:37] <christel> nah, he can't afford me ;)
[08:38] <christel> (and i don't have an amazing telephone voice!)
[08:38] <diplo> Do you and TheOpenSourcerer share the task AlanBell ?
[08:38]  * christel sounds like an Angry Man 
[08:38] <AlanBell> diplo: yeah, he has another 26
[08:38] <diplo> \o/
[08:38] <diplo> That sounds great
[08:39] <diplo> I've pointed a couple of people in your direction in the last couple of months as well.
[08:39] <JamesTait> Morning all! :)
[08:39] <christel> hiya JamesTait :)
[08:39] <diplo> morning JamesTait
[08:39] <AlanBell> I am going to be phoning people and saying "hi, I am calling because you downloaded openERP and gave your details requesting a followup call, I do hope you are coping quite well all by yourself and don't need any assistance from me"
[08:39] <JamesTait> christel, diplo: o/ How are we this morning?
[08:40] <christel> we are gooood \o/ thyself?
[08:40] <diplo> Good thanks, albeit finding it a little hard to start working
[08:40] <christel> AlanBell: oh you're not even cold calling, this will be easy peasy! <3
[08:40] <popey> AlanBell, yes, they used opensuse build service to make RPMs for fedora.
[08:41] <diplo> ah right, so you get your leads from openerp site and they forward them to you ?
[08:41] <AlanBell> diplo: yeah, openERP Belgium don't deal with customers directly, they pass out leads to the official partners
[08:42] <diplo> Nice, when I was in Electrical Wholesaling the suppliers did the same.
[08:43] <JamesTait> christel: I'm well, thanks. :)  Nearly the school holidays.  Not sure if I'm looking forward to it or dreading it. :-P
[08:44] <christel> hehe i think a bit of both is allowed! ;)
[08:44] <JamesTait> christel: And I suspect it will turn out to be exactly that!
[08:45] <AlanBell> gosh, just got someone's voicemail message saying they are on annual leave for the rest of the year!
[08:46] <diplo> Good to be them AlanBell ! :)
[08:46] <popey> hah, forgot to reset it in december?
[08:46] <czajkowski> did they win the lotto
[08:46] <popey> well, january
[08:46] <popey> or they left
[08:46] <AlanBell> popey: probably
[08:46] <popey> JamesTait, ours broke up last week. luckily they've been out quite a bit
[08:46] <popey> although sophie decided she would like to play basketball outside my office window when i was on a call yesterday
[08:49] <JamesTait> popey: Heh, I know that feeling.
[08:50] <JamesTait> popey: To be fair to the boys, they're usually pretty good.  And when I'm not on a call, I'm fine with them playing out in the garden and making a noise - I can mostly blank it out, and if not then I put music on.
[08:51] <JamesTait> popey: I'm spending a lot of time remote pairing at the moment and for the most part it's been fine, even with the boys making a noise.
[08:54] <popey> yeah, usually its fine
[08:54] <popey> need to get my garage done though, or find a co-working space
[08:54] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:57] <diplo> morning brobostigon
[08:57] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[09:24] <andylock1an> howdy all
[09:26] <popey> hello andylock1an
[09:42] <Twinkletoes> Howdy
[10:07] <dogmatic69> Anyone got a raspberry pi thingy yet?
[10:07] <AlanBell> yup
[10:07] <dogmatic69> they run linux right?
[10:07] <AlanBell> yes, debian and a few other things
[10:08] <dogmatic69> well, a flavour of
[10:08] <brobostigon> i do believe there is also and android port for it.
[10:08] <brobostigon> an*
[10:08] <dogmatic69> Do you know if something like minicom would run on it?
[10:08] <dogmatic69> and ssh / scp
[10:09]  * AlanBell does sudo apt-get install minicom
[10:09] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: are those standard if you have the openssh package?
[10:10] <dogmatic69> not sure, ssh comes with openssh server iirc
[10:10] <brobostigon> also, yes.
[10:10] <dogmatic69> and scp, no idea. Think its std on ubunut
[10:11] <dogmatic69> man scp says "see ... sshd"
[10:11] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: minicom runs
[10:11] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: nice
[10:11] <AlanBell> and ssh/scp is standard
[10:11]  * dogmatic69 goes to order one
[10:12] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: has it got the ports you want?
[10:12] <dogmatic69> I got a vinyl cutter that runs on usb, so with the raspberry pi it can be standalone. no need for a "pc" within usb cable length
[10:12] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:12] <dogmatic69> Just usb + cat5 I guess
[10:12] <dogmatic69> for this particular usage
[10:12] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: yes, that should all work then
[10:12] <dogmatic69> nice
[10:13] <dogmatic69> this home network is getting rather large, might need to employ a network admin soon :/
[10:14] <BigRedS> Anyone know a way to wholesale change the loglevel of *all* iptables rules
[10:14] <BigRedS> ?
[10:17]  * AlanBell downloads the new optimised Raspbian version of debian
[10:17] <popey> yeah, i downloaded that, be interested to see if its actually quicker
[10:17] <popey> http://www.oscon.com/oscon2012/public/content/video#ls_schedule might be worth watching at about 5pm today
[10:17] <christel> oh yes it is supposed to make use of the float point hardware isnt it
[10:19] <AlanBell> the torrent completed before I finished rummaging in my desk drawer for another SD card to put it on
[10:20]  * popey calls the police..
[10:20] <popey> using torrents eh? must be a criminal
[10:20] <diplo> Did you guys read the blog post ref armel / armhf or what ever the difference is
[10:20] <diplo> ?
[10:20] <diplo> And the differences in speed
[10:20] <popey> its like the difference between a 386SX and a 386DX
[10:22]  * AlanBell had a 486DX33
[10:22] <AlanBell> was faster than the IBM blue lighting chips which were 66Mhz with no floating point coprocessor
[10:22] <diplo> Never had anything that old
[10:23] <popey> my first pc was 8MHz 8086
[10:23] <popey> mono
[10:23] <popey> no graphics
[10:23] <diplo> :)
[10:23] <diplo> I've seen and run them, but my school didn't have any pc's till i left / last year
[10:24] <diplo> My first PC was a 500mhz thing, can't remember what now :)
[10:24] <jussi> popey: I had similar... but mine was a "Laptop"
[10:24] <directhex> moo
[10:24] <popey> heh
[10:24]  * directhex moos
[10:25] <AlanBell> before the 486 which I built I had an Amiga (which was better than the PC) and before that a spectrum+2
[10:25] <jussi> ie, a crt screen, with integrated computer and 5.25 floppies, and a keyboard that attached to the front...
[10:25] <jussi> Mum and dads first pc was a tandy 1000! :D
[10:26] <diplo> jussi: My brother had something like that
[10:26] <diplo> Very heavy
[10:26] <diplo> Still at home somewhere I believe
[10:26] <dwatkins> My first computer ran at 4 MHz.
[10:26] <jussi> diplo: yeah, crazy huge
[10:26] <diplo> http://www.mycomputerguard.com/pictures/image/middle_weird-laptop.jpg
[10:27] <diplo> Bit like that
[10:27] <AlanBell> a friend of mine had a tandy, it had analogue joystick inputs which meant it could basically read 64 levels of resistance of anything you felt like plugging into the x and y axis pins
[10:27] <AlanBell> so we did some interesting hacks with it, which is the kind of thing I want kids to do with the Raspberry pi
[10:27] <christel> :)
[10:28] <diplo> How old are your kids AlanBell ?
[10:28] <diplo> If you dont mind
[10:29] <AlanBell> 8,10,11
[10:29] <christel> they are dreadfully cute, look nothing like their dad!
[10:29]  * christel hides
[10:30] <diplo> heh
[10:30]  * AlanBell carefully types the dd command to put the image on the SD card
[10:30] <diplo> yeah I do want to do stuff with my eldest who will turn 6 in Sept, but I try to keep him away from computers at the mo and rather he enjoys outside
[10:31] <diplo> But i read what other people have their kids doing and wonder if I'm holding them back
[10:31] <christel> the furthest we've ventured geek-wise is playing with squishy circuits
[10:31] <christel> though the boy wonder is only 2.5
[10:31] <diplo> yeah I remember you mentioning that christel
[10:31] <diplo> I do have a little more cash now so may order some now.
[10:32] <christel> yes! tonnes of fun :D
[10:33] <diplo> I guess I didn't want to push my geekyness on them, but they love technology as i guess all kids do really
[10:34] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:34] <davmor2> morning all
[10:34] <bigcalm> Gah, it's already Thursday. Where is my holiday going?
[10:35] <diplo> Spent online MAN!
[10:35] <diplo> :P
[10:35] <diplo> Get outside or with the wifffey
[10:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: we have paid a cheque in on a 407 SW we went for the 1.6L Sport HDI £100 tax cat 8 insurance :)
[10:36] <bigcalm> Aww
[10:36] <dogmatic69> lol http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-18890901
[10:36] <bigcalm> I have a feeling the 1.6 won't have the same oomf that you felt with my 2.0. But I might be wrong :)
[10:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: thanks again for letting me try yours very useful :)
[10:37] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: where did you get yours?
[10:37] <bigcalm> You're welcome
[10:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: so it 9bhp more than the one we have so I was expecting it's power and it has slightly more shockingly,  but it is a bit more streamlined than our house brick styled 306 SW
[10:38] <bigcalm> :D
[10:40] <christel> diplo: yeah, i love the way the boy wonder is curious about * atm :)
[10:41] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: farnell
[10:43]  * diplo might order his rasp today
[10:45] <dogmatic69> damn, can only order 1
[10:46] <diplo> really, should be able to order more now
[10:46] <diplo> as of a few days ago
[11:04] <dogmatic69> bah. "Despatch expected in 19 week(s)"
[11:10] <dogmatic69> yes! skipped the queue. should have one by monday
[11:12] <diplo> Skipped the Q ?
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> queueueueueue
[11:13] <dogmatic69> raspberry pi
[11:13] <diplo> yeah I meant how did you skip the Q ?
[11:14]  * AlanBell wonders how to get unity running on Raspbian
[11:14] <dogmatic69> oh, ebay
[11:14] <diplo> ah
[11:14] <dogmatic69> should have one monday :)
[11:15] <diplo> paying £45 for it ?
[11:15] <dogmatic69> 42 + 4.99 for shipping
[11:16] <popey> AlanBell, do you have some chalk and a chicken?
[11:16] <AlanBell> popey: funnily enough, yes!
[11:17] <popey> draw a pentagram on the floor
[11:18]  * AlanBell starts by installing compiz
[11:21] <daubers> popey: fresh or frozen?
[11:26] <bigcalm> Breakfast at 12ish is wonderful
[11:26] <oimon> raspbian sounds like some sexual deviancy
[11:27]  * BigRedS had assumed it was
[11:28] <oimon> christel, my 2.5 year old saw a real photo frame and called it a tablet
[11:28] <oimon> it had a black border and glass screen, and does look rather like my hp tablet
[11:28] <oimon> which he knows his way round rather well
[11:29] <bigcalm> It's the way of the future
[11:29] <brobostigon> very cute.
[11:29] <bigcalm> My office is a mess. I need a maid
[11:29] <gord_> you need to be less messy
[11:29] <bigcalm> Bah
[11:42] <christel> oimon: haha fantastic :D
[11:43] <dogmatic69> anyone running ubuntu server on raspberry pi?
[11:44] <popey> you can't yet
[11:44] <popey> we don't support the arm rev used in the pi
[11:44] <dogmatic69> just saw something saying that :/
[11:45] <dogmatic69> I guess its in the pipes?
[11:45] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: not the official pipes
[11:45]  * popey shrugs
[11:46] <bigcalm> The pipes need cleaning
[11:46] <christel> clogged are they
[11:46] <bigcalm> Sounds like it
[11:47] <AlanBell> it isn't going to be an important platform for Ubuntu in any way really
[11:58] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: what do you have running on yours?
[11:58] <dogmatic69> or what is your plans / use for it
[11:59] <AlanBell> at the moment I have it on my desk as a third screen, I was using it with synergy so controling the keyboard and mouse from my laptop
[11:59] <AlanBell> just using it for ssh stuff really
[12:00] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[12:00] <AlanBell> running this on Saturday: http://raspberryjamsurrey.eventbrite.com/
[12:00] <AlanBell> hoping to get some interesting ideas going
[12:00] <dogmatic69> oh
[12:01] <dogmatic69> short notice or I would have come. Already promised the GF some odd jobs around the house :/
[12:01] <popey> uhoh
[12:01]  * popey wonders if he has dropped offline
[12:01] <christel> popey: yes.
[12:02] <popey> hmm, my desktop can't see gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:02] <popey> and now it can.. how odd
[12:03] <bigcalm> It has 9 IPv4 addresses and one IPv6 address
[12:03] <bigcalm> Greedy
[12:03] <bigcalm> Poor man's load balancing
[12:05] <jpds> popey: Hi.
[12:05] <popey> yo
[12:05] <popey> jpds, gb.a.u.c went a bit stally there for a while
[12:06] <daubers> AlanBell: Mines going to be acting as an MQTT-S gateway
[12:36]  * christel yawns
[12:37] <christel> what should i make for lunch? :)
[12:37] <bigcalm> Bacon
[12:37] <brobostigon> jerk chicken
[12:42] <christel> hrmm maybe i should stuff a chicken breast with some cream cheese and wrap with bacon and bake
[12:42] <christel> omnom
[12:43] <brobostigon> :)
[12:43] <davmor2> christel: Food!
[12:46] <christel> indeed!
[12:48] <daubers> christel: Roast a duck!
[12:50] <daubers> Now I have this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM in  my head
[12:50] <christel> i love duck!
[12:52] <bigcalm> Quack
[12:52] <christel> :)
[12:52] <brobostigon> meep
[12:52] <christel> i am semi-bored
[12:57] <christel> aww butterflies
[13:03] <davmor2> quick someone down Souff drive christel to a pub before she drives us all mad with her talk of butterflies
[13:03] <christel> they are pretty!
[13:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: Prod! Hello I forgot earlier
[13:05] <christel> though pub sounds most tempting, but i should refrain :)
[13:06]  * diplo just got back from a lovely pub lunch!
[13:13] <bigcalm> Pub last night was fun
[13:14] <bigcalm> Introduced Hayley to the Pie Factory
[13:14] <christel> i fear i don't know it
[13:14] <bigcalm> http://www.madorourkes.com/
[13:15] <christel> ooh i thought it was somewhere with Just Pies
[13:26] <dwatkins> ooh, ufw is a nifty and simple firewall - didn't realise it was installed by default, either.
[13:29] <davmor2> dwatkins: indeed it is :)
[13:30] <davmor2> dwatkins: if you want a nice simply gui you you can install gufw too
[13:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: more important did she like it :)
[13:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: she did indeed. She also got on well with James and Gretchen
[13:31] <davmor2> Yay does that mean she might start coming to lug meetings and keep gretchen company :)
[13:32] <bigcalm> davmor2: nope. It was as an introduction to playing cards
[13:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: Okay....
[13:34] <bigcalm> I'm sure you'll learn more on Wednesday next week :D
[13:35] <dwatkins> davmor2: the amusing part was that during the time it took to install gufw as well, I found the syntax of what I wanted to do at the command line :)
[13:36] <davmor2> we are shooting things then not playing cards :P
[13:42] <bigcalm> davmor2: indeed we are. I mean you can find out why the 4 of us went to the Pie Factory :)
[13:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: I might have my new car by then too :D
[13:48] <christel> VROOM VROOM
[13:48] <christel> what happens on wednesday?
[13:48] <christel> oh lug meeting!
[13:49]  * christel goes back to fighting with indesign 
[13:53] <christel> AlanBell: i'm pretty disappointed that there hasn't been a Happy Hour since March!
[13:53] <bigcalm> Ooh ooh
[13:53] <bigcalm> !
[13:53] <bigcalm> Happy hour at the end of September maybe?
[13:54] <bigcalm> Or just a Farnhamesk gathering
[13:54] <AlanBell> this is a very good point
[13:54] <christel> AlanBell: i feel you are neglecting your "looking after the community" duties
[13:54] <christel> appropriate punishment will ensue
[13:54] <christel> bigcalm: did you have Dates yet? :)
[13:54] <AlanBell> so, where should there be a happy hour?
[13:55] <christel> AlanBell: EVERYWHERE (farnham)
[13:55] <bigcalm> christel: last Thursday in September I think is when things happen
[13:55] <bigcalm> christel: I will have to double check
[13:55] <christel> though if The List is supposed to be In Order then i guess.. oxford?
[13:56] <AlanBell> the list doesn't have to be considered to be in order
[13:56] <AlanBell> oxford we would do in term time
[13:56] <christel> so that we can eye up young students?
[13:56] <bigcalm> :O
[13:56] <christel> er, i mean. because there is more people there
[13:57] <AlanBell> one of those, yes
[13:57] <bigcalm> Sounds idea to me
[13:57] <AlanBell> there should probably be a wolverhampton one
[13:57]  * christel nods
[13:58] <bigcalm> We've already had a Wolverhampton one, but we could do with another
[13:58] <AlanBell> where was the wolverhampton one?
[13:59] <davmor2> AlanBell: at the moon under water
[13:59] <bigcalm> We twined it with the Ubuntu pre-release
[13:59]  * AlanBell goes to update the list/map
[14:00] <christel> good boy!
[14:01] <davmor2> christel: you say that like he is a pet dog :D
[14:02] <bigcalm> I get the feeling that we are all christel's pets on Freenode
[14:02] <AlanBell> when was the moon under water thing exactly?
[14:02] <christel> haha sorry, that was not entirely intentional!
[14:02] <christel> (woof)
[14:02] <bigcalm> AlanBell: just before release of 12.04
[14:03] <bigcalm> The Thursday before I think
[14:03] <davmor2> AlanBell: the week before precise got released
[14:06] <christel> :)
[14:06] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ map updated
[14:06] <AlanBell> my plans of drawing a cute picture of a chicken with the lines are not going well
[14:07] <christel> haha
[14:08] <AlanBell> I was trying to sort out a Southampton one but several people there didn't seem to get the concept
[14:08] <christel> sok, you can turn it into a rabbit
[14:08] <AlanBell> had someone turn up and tell me they were going to the pub that evening so could I make it a happy hour /o\
[14:08] <christel> haha
[14:09] <AlanBell> and the other locals didn't seem to get the point that they need to nominate a date and a pub at which they will commit to turning up
[14:09] <gord> i got a leaflet through my door, "the local lottery for local people". i need to get out of this town... its turning into the league of gentlemen
[14:10] <davmor2> https://www.zsl.org/zsl-london-zoo/news/the-gherkin-to-become-the-penguin,974,NS.html Yay gerkin linux
[14:11] <davmor2> gord: you could come to wolverhampton and be normal like what we are
[14:12] <christel> hehe
[14:14] <bigcalm> christel: Thursday 20th to Sunday 23rd
[14:14] <christel> my that is one long happy hour
[14:14] <christel> i don't know if i have that much happy in me!
[14:14] <bigcalm> christel: these are the dates I have been told of
[14:14] <bigcalm> Hehe
[14:18] <christel> AH! BINGO!
[14:18]  * christel does a little dance
[14:19] <davmor2> christel: You'll be in a pub as long as you aren't an angry drunk I don't see why you wouldn't :D
[14:19] <christel> Christel 1 - InDesign 0
[14:19] <christel> i am always angry :(
[14:19] <brobostigon> :(
[14:19] <bigcalm> :(
[14:19] <christel> people always describe me like that.. "oh christel? yeah, you know.. she's the angry one"
[14:19] <christel> :(
[14:19] <christel> and then i get really angry
[14:20]  * davmor2 refuses to believe that christel is always angry 
[14:20] <bigcalm> How on earth?
[14:20] <bigcalm> christel: I've yet to see you angry
[14:21] <christel> ssssh!
[14:21] <bigcalm> Letting off steam?
[14:21] <christel> haha
[14:22] <davmor2> it's all that anger
[14:25] <christel> mmm
[14:59] <KungFuPanda> hi guys, any1 know how to resize partition by using GParted? there is a "key" icon in front of the driver I want to resize it?
[14:59] <brobostigon> KungFuPanda: unmount it first.
[15:00] <christel> bigcalm: come back to farnham for the rest of your holiday! noone else wants to go to the pub with me (apparently because i didn't want to go to the pub yesterday and they are all suffering!)
[15:01] <KungFuPanda> if I unmount from / , is it going to lose all my data ?
[15:02] <BigRedS> you can't unmount /
[15:02] <BigRedS> you'll need to reboot into a livecd
[15:02] <AlanBell> losing all data is a possible outcome of getting things wrong in gparted
[15:03] <brobostigon> backup. :)
[15:03] <BigRedS> oh yes
[15:03] <KungFuPanda> but if I do it in right way, it should not lose all data? right ?
[15:03] <BigRedS> it's also a possible outcome of using disks
[15:03] <BigRedS> so have backups anyway :)
[15:04] <brobostigon> KungFuPanda: there is always a chance, or it going tits up. nothing is ever a sure thing.
[15:04] <BigRedS> KungFuPanda: yeah, what should happen is you resize the partition and the data stays there and the bit of the disk that's no longer in that partition is made up entirely of what was unused disk space
[15:04] <BigRedS> but it's not especially hard to get it wrong
[15:04] <BigRedS> I did it this morning...
[15:05] <brobostigon> of it*
[15:06] <KungFuPanda> thanks, I just got some unallocated space from window system, I want to add these to ubuntu, I will try now, if I am not back in 1 hour, then my system down, :P , wish me luck
[15:18] <directhex> 2 new sales!
[15:19] <directhex> the longest journey and dreamfall, £3.74 the pair. old school fantastic world adventuring. extra points for strong female protagonists
[15:23] <christel> :)
[15:54] <oimon> how can i make firefox less of a fail ?
[15:54] <oimon> really sluggish with only 30 tabs open
[15:55] <diplo> only....
[15:55] <diplo> Don't have so many tabs ?
[15:55] <diplo> Do you have G+/FB/Twitter in any of those tabs ?
[15:56] <oimon> no twitter or fb but gmail and g+
[15:56] <diplo> yeah, g+/twitter hit FF for me quite badly
[15:56] <diplo> twitter more so
[15:57] <oimon> so , using the internet breaks ff
[15:57] <oimon> nope, still slow
[15:59] <diplo> Using shed loads of js to refresh pages etc breaks browser JS engines im guessing
[16:00] <diplo> right off home
[16:00] <diplo> catch you laters
[16:02] <oimon> news.google too seems to kill it
[16:02] <oimon> might have to give up and use chrome
[16:23] <bigcalm> Oh dear
[16:47] <BigRedS> oimon: you'll also find that having mail breaks thunderbird
[16:53] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7vF-AB7SF4&feature=player_embedded
[16:56] <zleap> ohh if 12.04 stays on schedule we should be out before windows 8 on the 26th october
[16:56] <zleap> sorry 12.10
[16:57] <jacobw> moop :(
[17:04] <bigcalm> popey: all looks good. So much I miss out on by not being a Unity user :(
[17:04] <popey> yup, you do :)
[17:04] <bigcalm> *pout*
[17:05] <bigcalm> Get the boys in the lab to make Unity play nicely with my monitor/graphics card set-up :)
[18:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Web App Integration In Ubuntu - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/07/19/web-app-integration-in-ubuntu/
[18:51] <ali1234> i don't see what needs unity out of that
[18:51] <ali1234> except for hud integration
[18:51] <AlanBell> the web apps you mean?
[18:51] <ali1234> yeah
[18:51] <ali1234> firefox already does all of that stuff
[18:52] <AlanBell> the app can publish the unread items number to the launcher
[18:52] <ali1234> big deal...
[18:52] <ali1234> that's already in the indicator anyway
[18:52] <AlanBell> agreed, but there it is
[18:52] <AlanBell> oh and gmail goes in the indicator
[18:52] <ali1234> notifications and indicators don't need unity
[18:53] <ali1234> same for last.fm and the music indicator
[18:54] <ali1234> if you have a sane way of switching windows then it's not really necessary to have a way to separate out the firefox windows that contain "apps" from all the others
[18:54] <ali1234> if you don't just dump them all on a single icon by default that is
[18:55] <AlanBell> yeah, we don't have a nice way to switch windows
[18:56] <AlanBell> switching applications is easy though, so I guess they turn up separately in alt-tab
[18:56] <ali1234> this seems to be separate .desktop files to run firefox in app mode, so they get their own icon and launcher
[18:57] <ali1234> plus some extension to work with indicators
[19:01] <Azelphur> is a cover of a song a copyright violation?
[19:01] <Azelphur> eg playing a song on guitar and putting it on youtube
[19:01] <ali1234> yeah
[19:01] <Azelphur> doesn't it fall under fair use?
[19:01] <ali1234> no
[19:01] <Azelphur> :(
[19:02] <ali1234> the performance and the composition are both covered
[19:02] <ali1234> possibly held by different people
[19:04] <Azelphur> sucks for my friend the musician then :p
[19:05] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4482752/pix/all%20of%20my%20what.png at least people in South Sudan can still watch it? :D
[19:18] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: you technically need a license to play a cd at a BBQ
[19:24] <Azelphur> \o/
[19:24] <AlanBell> shh
[19:24] <AlanBell> singing in the shower is right out too
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: but.. how else do you prove you're not.. "having fun".. in the shower?
[19:26] <AlanBell> in other news, who wants to do an Ubuntu hour?
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> what's that?
[19:26] <AlanBell> oh, a happy hour I mean
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: are you coming to Amsterdam? ;)
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> DAB car radio.. worth it? Or should I stick with my FM radio for now, and get a DAB(+) one when I buy a new car?
[19:29] <AlanBell> I would love to go to Amsterdam again
[19:42] <AlanBell> anyone got the unity-webapps thing actually working?
[19:43] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: Sibelius on BBC Four... if you're feeling Finnish :)
[19:46] <jacobw> it's taken for too long for DAB in vehicles
[19:46] <Myrtti> hehe, am in Finland at the moment ;-)
[19:46] <jacobw> i like reindeer
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: yes but do I want to spend €150ish on a new car radio, or do I wait a year (maybe two) and buy a new car with it built in :)
[19:47] <Myrtti> jacobw: yes, they are tasty
[19:48] <jacobw> :)
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: also, that 150€ radio comes with an antenna I need to stick on my window(?)
[19:50] <ali1234> AlanBell: i can't install it because it depends on compiz :(
[19:50] <AlanBell> whut!
[19:51] <ali1234> the webapps thing
[19:51]  * jacobw thinks new car is better
[19:51] <AlanBell> gosh
[19:51] <AlanBell> well I guess it depends on unity which depends on compiz
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: but.. l'expensive
[19:51] <ali1234> i'm trying to find which packages you actually need to install
[19:51] <AlanBell> /usr/share/unity-webapps/userscripts contains interesting looking stuff after you install it
[19:52] <ali1234> i don't see anything firefox related in the dependencies
[19:52] <jacobw> revival of mozilla prism?
[19:52] <AlanBell> lots of .js files that get loaded into the page, greasemonkey style I think
[19:52] <AlanBell> a .js file for each site it is integrating with
[19:53] <ali1234> but but but omg ubuntu said i don't have to make a js file for every site
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> One .js file to rule them all, and in the darkness bind dem
[19:53] <AlanBell> I want to do an integration for openERP and vTiger (so not URL specific)
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> them
[19:53] <ali1234> i guess omg doesn't know what he's talking about as usual
[19:54] <AlanBell> erm, yeah, I think the point is that they are already done in the package or something
[19:54] <AlanBell> or could in theory be hosted by the site (which might help me with the openERP/vTiger stuff)
[19:54] <AlanBell> if only it actually did anything at all :(
[19:56] <ali1234> yeah, so it does need a script that has to be constantly updated when the site changes...
[19:56] <ali1234> just like every other implementation of this, lenses, pidgin etc
[19:56] <AlanBell> yes
[19:58] <AlanBell> and the GMail one (at least) specifically checks for divs called 'canvas_frame', 'hist_frame', 'js_frame' to be there in the isCorrectPage() function for example
[19:58] <ali1234> the ppa is giving me partial upgrade warning now
[19:58] <ali1234> the ppa has a newer version of unity too
[19:58] <AlanBell> window.Unity = external.getUnityObject(1); is probably where the magic happens, wonder if I can get to that with firebug
[19:58] <ali1234> and a patched chromium
[19:59] <ali1234> oh, so they've added an explicit API so apps can make multiple launcher icons for running instances?
[19:59] <AlanBell> external.getUnityObject is not a function
[20:00] <ali1234> you probably didn't install the upgraded unity and then log out and log in again?
[20:00] <AlanBell> I didn't install the upgraded unity, but I did log out and back in
[20:00] <AlanBell> I am running 12.10
[20:01] <ali1234> unity (2 5.12.0-0ubuntu3~webapps7)
[20:01] <ali1234> you need that
[20:01]  * directhex moos
[20:01] <directhex> moo
[20:01] <popey> unity 6 is in 12.10
[20:01] <popey> so you need to wait for that to be patched
[20:01] <AlanBell> not sure, the articles say nothing about needing that
[20:01] <AlanBell> oh, so it doesn't work in 12.10 yet then?
[20:01] <popey> discussion is happening in #ubuntu-webapps btw
[20:02] <ali1234> actualy discussion, or just a bunch of people idling?
[20:03] <ali1234> ah, i can install unity-webapps without the upgraded unity
[20:04] <ali1234> that just pulls xul-ext-unity
[20:04] <ali1234> presumably thats the firefox stuff
[20:04] <ali1234> let's have account=plugin-google too
[20:05] <ali1234> now i have two "online accounts" icons in system settings
[20:06] <ali1234> ok google account authorzed
[20:06] <ali1234> let's get the new indicator applets...
[20:07] <ali1234> and now relog...
[20:11] <ali1234> got nothing :(
[21:22] <TheFred> hello
[21:31] <christel> hiya TheFred :)
[21:31] <TheFred> hello christel  - hope you've had a good day
[21:32] <christel> it ahs been a bit of a rollercoaster of a day! but it is approaching Happy To Bed time ;)
[21:33] <TheFred> cool, its good when your wanting sleep
[21:33] <TheFred> its been one of those days for me too
[21:34] <TheFred> started bad (desktop died) then got better (app is doing well on Google Play)
[21:35] <TheFred> wohoo - new PC parts ordered for delivery tommorow :)
[21:36] <MattJ> I know people here use multiple monitors... does anyone have problems with mouse movement along each axis being different?
[21:37] <Azelphur> MattJ: nope
[21:37] <AlanBell> MattJ: nope
[21:37] <TheFred> yea - if the resolution is different
[21:37] <MattJ> If I configure my monitors horizontally, horizontal movement becomes really fast
[21:37] <MattJ> if I configure them vertically, I have the same problem in that direction
[21:37] <MattJ> The resolution is indeed different
[21:38] <MattJ> I can't work out if it's meant to be a bug or a feature
[21:38] <TheFred> i had different monitors/cards and it was a pig until i fitted 2 identical graphics cards/monitos
[21:38] <AlanBell> there are several things slightly broken with monitors with mismatched vertical sizes
[21:38] <TheFred> I think its a feature - total 'screen' width is a function of mouse speed
[21:39] <AlanBell> it isn't a feature, and it isn't a bug I have seen
[21:39] <TheFred> id looked into it a while back  - seen lack of bug reports about it, hence my label of feature...
[21:40] <MattJ> Well it *sounds* like a sensible feature
[21:40] <TheFred> maybe correct label is a 'quirk'
[21:40] <TheFred> :)
[21:40] <MattJ> I mean, it means I can get anywhere on my (wide) desktop in equal time
[21:40] <AlanBell> it doesn't happen for me
[21:40] <TheFred> yea - but its a pain if your working with images
[21:41] <MattJ> Indeed
[21:41] <AlanBell> I use a laptop and sometimes an HD monitor by the side, the mouse behaves the same in both situations
[21:41] <MattJ> I wonder if there's some xrandr magic I can fix it with
[21:41] <MattJ> AlanBell, ok, thanks
[21:41] <MattJ> AlanBell, what version of Ubuntu?
[21:41] <TheFred> MattJ,  my workaround was to change mouse speed/sensitivity when in dual monitor mode
[21:42] <AlanBell> MattJ: 12.04 and 12.10
[21:42] <MattJ> TheFred, I did that too at first, but that doesn't work around the fact it's uneven
[21:42] <AlanBell> moving your mouse in a circle should move the cursor in a circle, not an oval
[21:43] <MattJ> I have a nice oval :)
[21:43] <TheFred> i had that problem too with different resolutions.. but when i switched to identical cards/monitors it was ok
[21:43] <MattJ> I have a touchpad, so I guess it's easier to adjust to than if I were using an external mouse
[21:44] <TheFred> hmmmm.. just seen that the new CPU i ordered is a Celeron G530 which is 64 bit... im wondering if 32 bit version of Ubuntu will work ok?
[21:45] <ali1234> yes it will work fine
[21:45] <TheFred> thanks ali1234
[21:45] <MattJ> Finally, at least someone mentions something like it: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=42137
[21:45] <TheFred> I didnt want to go 64 bit - it still seems problematic according to loads of posts on Ubuntu Forums
[21:45] <MattJ> Though I'm not using VirtualBox...
[21:47] <ali1234> ubuntu forums is full of misinformation
[21:47] <TheFred> yea - i found that too sometimes
[21:48] <TheFred> MattJ, I wish i could provide more data - but seeing as my desktop died this morning I cant check the settings to help you
[21:48] <MattJ> TheFred, np
[21:48] <MattJ> It's not urgent, I'll get used to it (have done before)
[21:48] <MattJ> The problem is that I had my external monitor above my laptop one, and I just switched
[21:49] <MattJ> I got used to it that way, and now the response is half what it should be in the direction I got used to it being twice what it should be
[21:49] <TheFred> Im hoping i can get away with running the new m-board/CPU with the HDD as it is so I can backup some work I had done without a re-install
[21:49] <MattJ> and it's a pain :)
[21:50] <TheFred> I recall i used a keyboard shortcut with AutoKey to make the mouse 'switch' screen
[21:50] <TheFred> alt+d+1 for center of desktop 1, and alt+d+2 for no 2
[21:56] <MattJ> Interestingly I think it only affects my touchpad
[21:56] <MattJ> i.e. not an external mouse
[21:56] <TheFred> Its going to be such a leap with the parts I ordered. The desktop that died this morning was built in 1996 (1100Mhz) with DDR2, and the new CPU is 2.4Gz Dual core :)
[21:57] <TheFred> MattJ, yes what ever you do dont connect 2 usb mice...
[21:57] <MattJ> Ok, now I have to go and find another mouse...
[21:57] <MattJ> and a PS/2 one as well, just to see what happens
[21:58] <TheFred> I though I could map one mouse to each screen... it simply does not not create 2 mouse pointers with 2 mice  :)
[21:58] <TheFred> ... I had to try..
[21:59] <MattJ> TheFred, you /can/ do that though in recent versions of Ubuntu I believe
[21:59] <MattJ> Not that I've tried it, requires some hacking
[21:59] <MattJ> and I adore my touchpad
[21:59] <TheFred> hmm... food for thought!
[22:04] <TheFred> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/8256/
[22:06] <MattJ> Oh yay: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/621432
[22:15] <TheFred> Is there any news (that i've missed) for Ubuntu on Raspberry Pi?
[22:16] <ali1234> no
[22:16] <TheFred> ok
[22:16]  * TheFred pats news spider bot
[22:18] <christel> oh god
[22:18] <christel> i kidnapped a spider
[22:18] <christel> when we were on the RAT
[22:18] <christel> i actually drunkenly forced this tiny little spider into my handbag
[22:19] <christel> (and was most disappointed not to be able to find it again when i returned home)
[22:19] <ali1234> the other day i saw a weird mutant spider with 6 legs, and 2 of the legs grew out of it's "head" (yes i know spiders don't have heads) where the ... mandibles?... should be
[22:19] <ali1234> so that was weird
[22:19] <christel> !
[22:20] <christel> i once tried to sell a six-legged spider on ebay
[22:20] <christel> (they removed the listing mind)
[22:20] <christel> though it was just a regular housespider that had lost two legs :s
[22:23] <TheFred> lol, I once left a fresh pouch of tobacco open overnight to dry out a bit, rolled a ciggie in the morning and it stank like burnt hair/chicken - i was wondering what the cause was, and a 7 legged spider crawled out of the pouch!
[22:23] <ali1234> gross
[22:23] <TheFred> indeed
[22:24] <christel> hahahaha
[22:25] <TheFred> remember kids, I do the experiments so you dont have to....
[22:26] <TheFred> This weeks experiment was: using a petrol strimmer as an outboard
[22:26] <TheFred> it kinda works until the clutch gives out
[22:26] <christel> i like you, you're strange and funny
[22:26] <TheFred> conclusion: buy a proper motor
[22:26] <TheFred> christel, thanks.... i think :)
[22:26] <christel> hehe
[22:26] <christel> <3
[22:26] <TheFred> brb
[22:31] <TheFred> meh - drunken yobs fighting outside - glad the police are around
[22:35] <hamitron> it can't be dark down your street then ;)
[22:35] <TheFred> nah - its all lit up because of the festival here
[22:45] <christel> happy to bed time! nn lovelies <3
[22:54] <TheFred> gnite christel