| === cortman is now known as DEATHOFDEATHOFTI | ||
| === DEATHOFDEATHOFTI is now known as captain-jack | ||
| hannie | hey elfy hob has left you? | 14:15 |
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| elfy | hi hannie :) | 14:15 |
| elfy | hob was being bad | 14:15 |
| hannie | ah, he has been punished | 14:16 |
| elfy | yep | 14:16 |
| hannie | elfy, I read quite some tutorials the other day, but | 14:16 |
| hannie | most of them are not good enough to wikify | 14:16 |
| elfy | there is some movement going on with staff and the tutes forum - when there is something concrete to pass on I will | 14:17 |
| hannie | I hesitate to put them on the rejected list, though | 14:17 |
| hannie | ok, let me know when it is definite | 14:17 |
| elfy | how about putting them on a m/list post and then we can all have a look at them | 14:18 |
| elfy | there were a bunch of unapproved things - I PM'd them today | 14:18 |
| hannie | ok, perhaps the ones are read are already rejected | 14:19 |
| hannie | *are=I | 14:19 |
| hannie | I will check the list | 14:19 |
| elfy | perhaps so - not sure that anyone other than wildmanne is using that list - I've been out of the loop a bit lately | 14:20 |
| hannie | I have not used it either (hesitation as I said before) | 14:20 |
| elfy | :) | 14:21 |
| elfy | if you are not sure - m/l is best I think | 14:21 |
| elfy | at least someone else will have a look then | 14:21 |
| hannie | will do that, back to work now ;) | 14:21 |
| elfy | ok :) | 14:22 |
| elfy | how's the translation going? | 14:22 |
| hannie | well, strings are very long in LP, that puts my fellow translators off | 14:22 |
| elfy | aah | 14:22 |
| hannie | So we are only 3 working on it | 14:22 |
| elfy | that's not many | 14:23 |
| hannie | the others do not like the length of the strings very much | 14:23 |
| elfy | I'm sure you are a good team though :) | 14:23 |
| hannie | we are | 14:24 |
| hannie | did you see the manual is in the Software Center now | 14:25 |
| elfy | yep - been following your m/l for a while - elfy needs to get in gear an say I'll help somewhere :) | 14:25 |
| elfy | bit hard for me though as I don't use ubuntu | 14:26 |
| hannie | maybe in September we can use more editors/reviewers | 14:26 |
| hannie | You can install Ubuntu in Virtual box | 14:26 |
| elfy | I know - what I mean more I guess is that anything that is unity specific I'd have no clue :) | 14:27 |
| hannie | I am going to install VB in a minute. Paddy gave me some good advice | 14:27 |
| elfy | he's a good one is paddy landau | 14:28 |
| hannie | I am used to Unity now, and I really like it | 14:28 |
| hannie | paddy is worth his weight in gold | 14:28 |
| hannie | that is a Dutch saying | 14:29 |
| captain-jack | amen on paddy | 14:29 |
| elfy | it hurts me funnily enough - I am a mouse not kbd person - 2 monitors and dodgy joints - so it kills my wrist getting all the way over there to the launcher | 14:29 |
| elfy | hannie: that's an english saying too | 14:29 |
| captain-jack | Did a couple of his tutorials for him- he was really great to work with | 14:29 |
| elfy | I bet he was captain-jack | 14:29 |
| elfy | hannie: surely a dutch saying would be 'worth his weight in tulips' :) | 14:30 |
| hannie | in the middle ages tulips were worth more than gold! | 14:30 |
| elfy | yep :) | 14:31 |
| hannie | elfy, what os do you use? | 14:31 |
| elfy | xubuntu | 14:31 |
| elfy | I'm on the dev list to help with xubuntu docs this cycle as well lol | 14:31 |
| hannie | in Unity you can use the Super key to get to items on the launcher | 14:31 |
| elfy | I have mine set up with a panel at the bottom right of the l/hand monitor - so it is more or less in the middle | 14:32 |
| hannie | To prevent RSI it would be advisible to use the mouse as little as possible | 14:32 |
| elfy | hannie: that is not the only thing I don't like about unity :) | 14:32 |
| captain-jack | Nice elfy | 14:33 |
| hannie | I'm sure there are more things in Unity people do not like | 14:33 |
| elfy | and I'm too old to learn new tricks ... have enough trouble remembering what the day is without a bunch of new kbd shortcuts | 14:33 |
| hannie | elfy, you sound like my husband who sticks to Office97 | 14:34 |
| elfy | hannie: my biggest issue is I do not like the size of it - when I can have 20px buttons on it I might look again | 14:34 |
| elfy | ha ha ha :) | 14:34 |
| hannie | 20px buttons? What do you mean? | 14:35 |
| hannie | You can chose any resolution | 14:35 |
| elfy | smallest for the buttons on the launcher is 32px is it not? | 14:35 |
| hannie | Let me have a look | 14:35 |
| hannie | biggest = 64, which is huge | 14:37 |
| elfy | !!! | 14:38 |
| elfy | http://i.imgur.com/rAIah.jpg | 14:38 |
| hannie | there is a slider with which you can increase the size of the icons on the launcher | 14:38 |
| hannie | from 32 to 64 | 14:39 |
| elfy | see my little panel at the bottom - 20px | 14:39 |
| hannie | that doesn't look like Unity, at least not in Ubuntu Precise | 14:40 |
| hannie | The launcher is on the left side of the screen | 14:40 |
| captain-jack | tiny tiny elfy | 14:41 |
| hannie | captain-jack, don't tease elfy ;) | 14:41 |
| elfy | that isn't - it's a proper panel in a grown up's flavour of buntu :D | 14:41 |
| elfy | shouldn't talk like that in a logged channel - someone might believe me lol | 14:42 |
| captain-jack | hannie, :) | 14:42 |
| hannie | if you think them too small, change to Ubuntu Precise | 14:42 |
| * captain-jack is using the proper grown up's flavor of Linux | 14:42 | |
| hannie | have you ever tried Virtual Box? | 14:42 |
| captain-jack | :P | 14:42 |
| hannie | I am going to install it now. I will let you know my findings if you are interested, elfy | 14:44 |
| captain-jack | Debian wheezy FTW | 14:44 |
| elfy | I use vbox quite a bit hannie | 14:44 |
| elfy | but this is my emergency box - I killed the other one :( | 14:44 |
| hannie | ok, if I have questions I know where to find you | 14:44 |
| elfy | :) | 14:45 |
| hannie | since Paddy is never in one of my channels | 14:45 |
| elfy | lol | 14:45 |
| elfy | gtg for a bit now - bunch of stuff to do - cya soon hannie :) | 14:46 |
| hannie | cya | 14:47 |
| hannie | captain-jack, wheezy better choice than squeeze or lenny I suppose | 14:47 |
| captain-jack | Lenny's oldy moldy hannie | 14:48 |
| captain-jack | squeeze is too old for me but stable stable | 14:48 |
| hannie | ok, I go to wheezy AMD64 | 14:48 |
| captain-jack | wheezy is more stable than sid or Ubuntu, plus I can get my gnome-shell et al | 14:48 |
| hannie | captain-jack, thanks for the info | 14:49 |
| captain-jack | So far I'm quite impressed- enough so to slowly make the move away from Ubuntu and to Debian for my main working OS | 14:49 |
| captain-jack | sure hannie | 14:49 |
| hannie | captain-jack, so far so good. I have installed VB. Now I will download Quantal (probably alpha) | 15:19 |
| captain-jack | yay! :) | 15:21 |
| captain-jack | Haven't tried quantal yet. | 15:21 |
| hannie | It will be full of bugs, hence in VB | 15:21 |
| captain-jack | Right. VB is a handy application | 15:21 |
| hannie | I need Quantal because we want to release the Ubuntu manual soon after the release of Quantal | 15:22 |
| elfy | back | 15:26 |
| captain-jack | Great; wb elfy | 15:26 |
| elfy | hannie: get the daily | 15:27 |
| hannie | express? | 15:27 |
| elfy | lol | 15:27 |
| hannie | I just installed VB | 15:27 |
| elfy | daily download of quantal - less updates to get afterwards | 15:27 |
| hannie | and downloading quantal alpha 2 now | 15:27 |
| hannie | I am not sure if it is the daily version. | 15:28 |
| elfy | hannie: there will be lots of updates to get | 15:28 |
| elfy | I've had probably 200Mb since alpha2 was released | 15:28 |
| elfy | and some broke | 15:28 |
| hannie | oops! I have the bad habit of just picking one of the sites I get from google search | 15:29 |
| elfy | which do you want 32 or 64 ? | 15:29 |
| hannie | I might throw tis one away | 15:29 |
| hannie | I have 64 | 15:29 |
| elfy | 2 secs | 15:30 |
| hannie | I am on softpedia right now | 15:30 |
| elfy | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120719.2/quantal-desktop-amd64.iso | 15:30 |
| elfy | checksum is here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120719.2/MD5SUMS | 15:31 |
| hannie | righto, thanks. I'll download that one. | 15:31 |
| elfy | that'll be the most up to date d/load | 15:31 |
| elfy | software sources is broken at the moment | 15:32 |
| hannie | I only see a list, no links. | 15:32 |
| hannie | forgive me my ignorance | 15:32 |
| elfy | that's the md5sum page :) | 15:32 |
| elfy | the first link I gave is the iso | 15:32 |
| hannie | that is where I am | 15:32 |
| elfy | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120719.2/quantal-desktop-amd64.iso | 15:33 |
| elfy | is the d/load - should just go straight to save | 15:33 |
| hannie | ah, that's better | 15:33 |
| elfy | :) | 15:33 |
| elfy | I do mine with zsync now that I have it | 15:33 |
| hannie | never heard of zsync, but always willing to try new stuff | 15:34 |
| elfy | if you have the daily iso and then zsync it the next day - it just gets the new bits | 15:35 |
| elfy | basically | 15:35 |
| elfy | then checks it | 15:37 |
| elfy | hannie: http://pastebin.com/tRrWBnrb - 2 day old daily iso - it just needed to get 25% of the iso instead of the whole thing | 15:42 |
| hannie | back again. | 15:45 |
| elfy | :) | 15:50 |
| hannie | 2 minutes to go | 15:50 |
| elfy | :) | 15:50 |
| elfy | I hope I gave you the right link ... | 15:50 |
| elfy | :p | 15:50 |
| hannie | Paddy added info about guest extensions. I downloaded those too | 15:51 |
| elfy | yep | 15:51 |
| elfy | the quantal ones? | 15:51 |
| hannie | yes | 15:51 |
| hannie | well, I hope so | 15:51 |
| elfy | hang on what you doing here - running vbox in 12.04 to run quantal | 15:51 |
| hannie | right | 15:52 |
| elfy | just so I know if you ask me questions :) | 15:52 |
| hannie | you're right, they should be the 12.04 extensions. I'll check | 15:52 |
| elfy | well if you got them from precise then they will be | 15:53 |
| hannie | I keep my finges crossed (going to install quantal in VB now) | 15:56 |
| hannie | *fingers | 15:56 |
| elfy | :) | 15:56 |
| hannie | would base memory 1024 MB be sufficient (I have 6 GB) | 15:58 |
| elfy | I usually - but moslty because if I'm using the vm I am using it - give 50% to the vm | 16:04 |
| elfy | if I had 6 I'd definitely give it 2 | 16:05 |
| hannie | ah, thanks, I can still go back and change it | 16:05 |
| elfy | yep | 16:05 |
| hannie | arghhh! No bootable medium found. I had the iso on a bootable usb stick. Now I have to burn a cd | 16:14 |
| hannie | I am not going to bother you with my experiments. I will just play with it a bit | 16:15 |
| hannie | Thanks for all your good advice | 16:15 |
| elfy | no | 16:24 |
| elfy | no need to burn anything | 16:24 |
| elfy | you still there hannie | 16:25 |
| hannie | yep | 16:25 |
| hannie | then where do I say where to find the iso? | 16:25 |
| elfy | go into settings | 16:25 |
| hannie | ok | 16:26 |
| elfy | then storage | 16:26 |
| hannie | ok | 16:26 |
| elfy | then one will be something like secondary | 16:26 |
| hannie | I see SATA controller and IDE controller | 16:26 |
| elfy | yep - sata - then there is something looks like a cd - sort of click that | 16:27 |
| hannie | and quantal-alfa2.vdi (which I created) | 16:27 |
| elfy | wrong one then | 16:27 |
| hannie | wait I see icons | 16:27 |
| elfy | one of those storage options will let you navigate to where the iso is | 16:27 |
| * hannie dig, dig.... | 16:28 | |
| elfy | I have no vbox here or I would say - there there there lol | 16:28 |
| hannie | add hard disk probably | 16:29 |
| hannie | chose an existing disk or create one | 16:29 |
| * elfy is asking someone :) | 16:29 | |
| hannie | But this adds a virtual hard disk, which is not what I want | 16:30 |
| elfy | yea - the right option allows it to boot from the iso | 16:30 |
| elfy | which is what you want :) | 16:30 |
| hannie | and what is the right option? | 16:30 |
| elfy | to boot from the iso so you can install - no need for cd or usb or anything :) | 16:31 |
| hannie | I want VB to look on my ubuntu directories where the iso can be found | 16:31 |
| elfy | yep | 16:31 |
| hannie | got ir, chose an existing disk | 16:31 |
| elfy | hopefully :) | 16:32 |
| elfy | http://i.imgur.com/b06VE.jpg | 16:34 |
| hannie | No, this is not right (failed to open quantal-amd64.iso) Don't know why | 16:34 |
| elfy | hannie - that ^^ and choose a virtual cd/dvd disk file | 16:34 |
| hannie | The medium can't be used as the requested device type | 16:34 |
| elfy | from that option? | 16:34 |
| hannie | I will do as you suggest | 16:35 |
| hannie | yes, to "from that option" | 16:35 |
| * elfy installs vbox :) | 16:36 | |
| hannie | wait, I chose CD/DVD, and now I see the iso | 16:36 |
| hannie | which is on the hard disk | 16:36 |
| elfy | yep | 16:37 |
| CharlesA | 'lo | 16:37 |
| elfy | we might be there CharlesA :) | 16:37 |
| elfy | hannie: if you get more - ask CharlesA :) | 16:37 |
| hannie | ah, CharlesA one minute, just trying | 16:37 |
| CharlesA | no prob | 16:37 |
| hannie | CharlesA, I used the wizard to prepare a vdi, but when I click the start button I get "No bootable medium found! System halted | 16:39 |
| hannie | How can I tell VB it should look for the iso on my hard disk? | 16:39 |
| CharlesA | hannie: Did you tell the Vm where the ISO is? Right click VM > settings > storage > select cd drive > click cd icon > select iso | 16:40 |
| hannie | will do, just a minute | 16:40 |
| hannie | NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x00004005) | 16:41 |
| hannie | I get this error when I click Settings button | 16:41 |
| hannie | but that is for access to USB devices. | 16:42 |
| CharlesA | Are you using virtualbox from virtualbox.org? | 16:42 |
| CharlesA | Install the extension pack if you are | 16:43 |
| hannie | yes. | 16:43 |
| hannie | I already installed the extention pack | 16:43 |
| CharlesA | Ok. | 16:43 |
| CharlesA | Hm | 16:43 |
| hannie | I am now looking at Settings>Storage: | 16:44 |
| CharlesA | See the cd drive listed? | 16:44 |
| hannie | the problem is that I do not get a cd drive, only IDE and SATA controller | 16:44 |
| CharlesA | Oh. I've never used the wizard before, so you'd have to add a cd drive manually. | 16:45 |
| elfy | http://i.imgur.com/2wK2n.png | 16:45 |
| elfy | I do it like that manually | 16:45 |
| CharlesA | select the IDE controller and click the icon that looks like a cd with a plus sign | 16:46 |
| elfy | in the attributes on the right you can choose a file then you get the file manager to navigate to it | 16:46 |
| hannie | I choose the add button, then add CD/DVD player. Then: | 16:46 |
| CharlesA | choose disk | 16:46 |
| CharlesA | browse to the ISO | 16:47 |
| hannie | choose disk, yes | 16:47 |
| CharlesA | Then you should see the ISO listed there | 16:47 |
| hannie | then I see quantal-desktop-amd64.iso, which I select | 16:47 |
| CharlesA | Yep | 16:47 |
| hannie | Message: | 16:48 |
| hannie | SATA controller (SATA port 1) already uses a medium that is already mounted to IDE controller (IDE Primary master) | 16:49 |
| hannie | This is a bit vague for me | 16:49 |
| CharlesA | Uh | 16:49 |
| CharlesA | Screenshot? | 16:49 |
| hannie | guys, perhaps I should try to burn a cd first and see if that works. I take too much of your time at the moment | 16:50 |
| CharlesA | nah. | 16:50 |
| elfy | hannie: I have installed vbox now - so the time is gone :D | 16:52 |
| CharlesA | it is fine, hannie | 16:52 |
| hannie | aha, I had to remove an earlier "add disk" attempt first. | 16:52 |
| hannie | ok, I'll see what happens now | 16:52 |
| CharlesA | gl | 16:53 |
| hannie | Heyho, I am getting there | 16:53 |
| CharlesA | \o/ | 16:53 |
| elfy | woot | 16:53 |
| hannie | It had something to do with IDE and SATA controllers | 16:53 |
| hannie | I started with SATA, but it should be IDE controller | 16:53 |
| elfy | sorry :( | 16:54 |
| hannie | Yes, yes, I see the welcome screen of Ubuntu | 16:54 |
| elfy | :) | 16:54 |
| CharlesA | yay! | 16:54 |
| elfy | hannie: I have installed it now - so I won't need to try and get you help with my memory | 16:54 |
| hannie | I just clicked the install button | 16:55 |
| hannie | elfy, you are my friend | 16:55 |
| hannie | and CharlesA too ;) | 16:55 |
| CharlesA | yay! | 16:55 |
| elfy | :) | 16:55 |
| * elfy is going to write a new vbox wiki | 16:56 | |
| CharlesA | \o/ | 16:56 |
| elfy | hannie can then proof it for me and correct it :) | 16:56 |
| hannie | elfy, installation type Erase disk and install Ubuntu. What will it erase? The virtual disk I hope | 16:56 |
| elfy | yea | 16:57 |
| elfy | I ummed and aahed over that message for an age first time :) | 16:58 |
| hannie | I am afraid to continue. Do I get the green light? | 16:58 |
| elfy | just check it says whatever size you told vbox to make the virtual drive :) | 16:58 |
| hannie | writing a tutorial on this is definitely necessary | 16:58 |
| hannie | It doesn't give me any size, but I can choose "Something else" | 16:59 |
| elfy | choose whole drive | 16:59 |
| hannie | I see: /dev/sda ATA VBOX Harddisk (12.9 GB), so that IS the virtual disk | 17:00 |
| elfy | :) | 17:01 |
| hannie | For this experiment I gave it just 12 GB | 17:01 |
| hannie | on a 1TB hard disk, lol | 17:02 |
| elfy | more than enough for a vm | 17:03 |
| elfy | if it is for test purposes - mine usually get 5Gb | 17:03 |
| hannie | After I had the guts to choose option one I got the information: entire disk will be used: 12 GB | 17:03 |
| elfy | :p | 17:04 |
| hannie | Now it is safe to continue. elfy we are going to put all this in a tutirial, right? | 17:04 |
| CharlesA | wiki ftw | 17:04 |
| elfy | looks like it :) | 17:04 |
| hannie | yes, a wiki page | 17:04 |
| elfy | I will write one | 17:04 |
| hannie | The installation is now in progress | 17:05 |
| elfy | I will have pwetty piccies too | 17:05 |
| hannie | I do not know how to thank you guys | 17:05 |
| hannie | ow, I love pwetty piccies | 17:05 |
| hannie | I will start by making a copy of this conversation | 17:06 |
| elfy | you usually do a good job of thanking people hannie :) | 17:06 |
| hannie | and rightly so... | 17:06 |
| hannie | I should not take help for granted | 17:06 |
| elfy | no-one does - we are all in the ubuntu family :) | 17:08 |
| hannie | that is why I am so fond of this community | 17:08 |
| hannie | Hurray! Quantal is installed in my VB | 17:09 |
| hannie | Who wants a nice virtual glass of good French wine to celebrate? | 17:09 |
| elfy | I'll go for one of those :) | 17:10 |
| elfy | though generally I think that good French wine is an oxymoron :p | 17:11 |
| * elfy is a spanish wine drinker mostly | 17:11 | |
| hannie | I call it a day. cya all soon | 17:16 |
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