=== cortman is now known as DEATHOFDEATHOFTI === DEATHOFDEATHOFTI is now known as captain-jack [14:15] hey elfy hob has left you? [14:15] hi hannie :) [14:15] hob was being bad [14:16] ah, he has been punished [14:16] yep [14:16] elfy, I read quite some tutorials the other day, but [14:16] most of them are not good enough to wikify [14:17] there is some movement going on with staff and the tutes forum - when there is something concrete to pass on I will [14:17] I hesitate to put them on the rejected list, though [14:17] ok, let me know when it is definite [14:18] how about putting them on a m/list post and then we can all have a look at them [14:18] there were a bunch of unapproved things - I PM'd them today [14:19] ok, perhaps the ones are read are already rejected [14:19] *are=I [14:19] I will check the list [14:20] perhaps so - not sure that anyone other than wildmanne is using that list - I've been out of the loop a bit lately [14:20] I have not used it either (hesitation as I said before) [14:21] :) [14:21] if you are not sure - m/l is best I think [14:21] at least someone else will have a look then [14:21] will do that, back to work now ;) [14:22] ok :) [14:22] how's the translation going? [14:22] well, strings are very long in LP, that puts my fellow translators off [14:22] aah [14:22] So we are only 3 working on it [14:23] that's not many [14:23] the others do not like the length of the strings very much [14:23] I'm sure you are a good team though :) [14:24] we are [14:25] did you see the manual is in the Software Center now [14:25] yep - been following your m/l for a while - elfy needs to get in gear an say I'll help somewhere :) [14:26] bit hard for me though as I don't use ubuntu [14:26] maybe in September we can use more editors/reviewers [14:26] You can install Ubuntu in Virtual box [14:27] I know - what I mean more I guess is that anything that is unity specific I'd have no clue :) [14:27] I am going to install VB in a minute. Paddy gave me some good advice [14:28] he's a good one is paddy landau [14:28] I am used to Unity now, and I really like it [14:28] paddy is worth his weight in gold [14:29] that is a Dutch saying [14:29] amen on paddy [14:29] it hurts me funnily enough - I am a mouse not kbd person - 2 monitors and dodgy joints - so it kills my wrist getting all the way over there to the launcher [14:29] hannie: that's an english saying too [14:29] Did a couple of his tutorials for him- he was really great to work with [14:29] I bet he was captain-jack [14:30] hannie: surely a dutch saying would be 'worth his weight in tulips' :) [14:30] in the middle ages tulips were worth more than gold! [14:31] yep :) [14:31] elfy, what os do you use? [14:31] xubuntu [14:31] I'm on the dev list to help with xubuntu docs this cycle as well lol [14:31] in Unity you can use the Super key to get to items on the launcher [14:32] I have mine set up with a panel at the bottom right of the l/hand monitor - so it is more or less in the middle [14:32] To prevent RSI it would be advisible to use the mouse as little as possible [14:32] hannie: that is not the only thing I don't like about unity :) [14:33] Nice elfy [14:33] I'm sure there are more things in Unity people do not like [14:33] and I'm too old to learn new tricks ... have enough trouble remembering what the day is without a bunch of new kbd shortcuts [14:34] elfy, you sound like my husband who sticks to Office97 [14:34] hannie: my biggest issue is I do not like the size of it - when I can have 20px buttons on it I might look again [14:34] ha ha ha :) [14:35] 20px buttons? What do you mean? [14:35] You can chose any resolution [14:35] smallest for the buttons on the launcher is 32px is it not? [14:35] Let me have a look [14:37] biggest = 64, which is huge [14:38] !!! [14:38] http://i.imgur.com/rAIah.jpg [14:38] there is a slider with which you can increase the size of the icons on the launcher [14:39] from 32 to 64 [14:39] see my little panel at the bottom - 20px [14:40] that doesn't look like Unity, at least not in Ubuntu Precise [14:40] The launcher is on the left side of the screen [14:41] tiny tiny elfy [14:41] captain-jack, don't tease elfy ;) [14:41] that isn't - it's a proper panel in a grown up's flavour of buntu :D [14:42] shouldn't talk like that in a logged channel - someone might believe me lol [14:42] hannie, :) [14:42] if you think them too small, change to Ubuntu Precise [14:42] * captain-jack is using the proper grown up's flavor of Linux [14:42] have you ever tried Virtual Box? [14:42] :P [14:44] I am going to install it now. I will let you know my findings if you are interested, elfy [14:44] Debian wheezy FTW [14:44] I use vbox quite a bit hannie [14:44] but this is my emergency box - I killed the other one :( [14:44] ok, if I have questions I know where to find you [14:45] :) [14:45] since Paddy is never in one of my channels [14:45] lol [14:46] gtg for a bit now - bunch of stuff to do - cya soon hannie :) [14:47] cya [14:47] captain-jack, wheezy better choice than squeeze or lenny I suppose [14:48] Lenny's oldy moldy hannie [14:48] squeeze is too old for me but stable stable [14:48] ok, I go to wheezy AMD64 [14:48] wheezy is more stable than sid or Ubuntu, plus I can get my gnome-shell et al [14:49] captain-jack, thanks for the info [14:49] So far I'm quite impressed- enough so to slowly make the move away from Ubuntu and to Debian for my main working OS [14:49] sure hannie [15:19] captain-jack, so far so good. I have installed VB. Now I will download Quantal (probably alpha) [15:21] yay! :) [15:21] Haven't tried quantal yet. [15:21] It will be full of bugs, hence in VB [15:21] Right. VB is a handy application [15:22] I need Quantal because we want to release the Ubuntu manual soon after the release of Quantal [15:26] back [15:26] Great; wb elfy [15:27] hannie: get the daily [15:27] express? [15:27] lol [15:27] I just installed VB [15:27] daily download of quantal - less updates to get afterwards [15:27] and downloading quantal alpha 2 now [15:28] I am not sure if it is the daily version. [15:28] hannie: there will be lots of updates to get [15:28] I've had probably 200Mb since alpha2 was released [15:28] and some broke [15:29] oops! I have the bad habit of just picking one of the sites I get from google search [15:29] which do you want 32 or 64 ? [15:29] I might throw tis one away [15:29] I have 64 [15:30] 2 secs [15:30] I am on softpedia right now [15:30] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120719.2/quantal-desktop-amd64.iso [15:31] checksum is here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120719.2/MD5SUMS [15:31] righto, thanks. I'll download that one. [15:31] that'll be the most up to date d/load [15:32] software sources is broken at the moment [15:32] I only see a list, no links. [15:32] forgive me my ignorance [15:32] that's the md5sum page :) [15:32] the first link I gave is the iso [15:32] that is where I am [15:33] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120719.2/quantal-desktop-amd64.iso [15:33] is the d/load - should just go straight to save [15:33] ah, that's better [15:33] :) [15:33] I do mine with zsync now that I have it [15:34] never heard of zsync, but always willing to try new stuff [15:35] if you have the daily iso and then zsync it the next day - it just gets the new bits [15:35] basically [15:37] then checks it [15:42] hannie: http://pastebin.com/tRrWBnrb - 2 day old daily iso - it just needed to get 25% of the iso instead of the whole thing [15:45] back again. [15:50] :) [15:50] 2 minutes to go [15:50] :) [15:50] I hope I gave you the right link ... [15:50] :p [15:51] Paddy added info about guest extensions. I downloaded those too [15:51] yep [15:51] the quantal ones? [15:51] yes [15:51] well, I hope so [15:51] hang on what you doing here - running vbox in 12.04 to run quantal [15:52] right [15:52] just so I know if you ask me questions :) [15:52] you're right, they should be the 12.04 extensions. I'll check [15:53] well if you got them from precise then they will be [15:56] I keep my finges crossed (going to install quantal in VB now) [15:56] *fingers [15:56] :) [15:58] would base memory 1024 MB be sufficient (I have 6 GB) [16:04] I usually - but moslty because if I'm using the vm I am using it - give 50% to the vm [16:05] if I had 6 I'd definitely give it 2 [16:05] ah, thanks, I can still go back and change it [16:05] yep [16:14] arghhh! No bootable medium found. I had the iso on a bootable usb stick. Now I have to burn a cd [16:15] I am not going to bother you with my experiments. I will just play with it a bit [16:15] Thanks for all your good advice [16:24] no [16:24] no need to burn anything [16:25] you still there hannie [16:25] yep [16:25] then where do I say where to find the iso? [16:25] go into settings [16:26] ok [16:26] then storage [16:26] ok [16:26] then one will be something like secondary [16:26] I see SATA controller and IDE controller [16:27] yep - sata - then there is something looks like a cd - sort of click that [16:27] and quantal-alfa2.vdi (which I created) [16:27] wrong one then [16:27] wait I see icons [16:27] one of those storage options will let you navigate to where the iso is [16:28] * hannie dig, dig.... [16:28] I have no vbox here or I would say - there there there lol [16:29] add hard disk probably [16:29] chose an existing disk or create one [16:29] * elfy is asking someone :) [16:30] But this adds a virtual hard disk, which is not what I want [16:30] yea - the right option allows it to boot from the iso [16:30] which is what you want :) [16:30] and what is the right option? [16:31] to boot from the iso so you can install - no need for cd or usb or anything :) [16:31] I want VB to look on my ubuntu directories where the iso can be found [16:31] yep [16:31] got ir, chose an existing disk [16:32] hopefully :) [16:34] http://i.imgur.com/b06VE.jpg [16:34] No, this is not right (failed to open quantal-amd64.iso) Don't know why [16:34] hannie - that ^^ and choose a virtual cd/dvd disk file [16:34] The medium can't be used as the requested device type [16:34] from that option? [16:35] I will do as you suggest [16:35] yes, to "from that option" [16:36] * elfy installs vbox :) [16:36] wait, I chose CD/DVD, and now I see the iso [16:36] which is on the hard disk [16:37] yep [16:37] 'lo [16:37] we might be there CharlesA :) [16:37] hannie: if you get more - ask CharlesA :) [16:37] ah, CharlesA one minute, just trying [16:37] no prob [16:39] CharlesA, I used the wizard to prepare a vdi, but when I click the start button I get "No bootable medium found! System halted [16:39] How can I tell VB it should look for the iso on my hard disk? [16:40] hannie: Did you tell the Vm where the ISO is? Right click VM > settings > storage > select cd drive > click cd icon > select iso [16:40] will do, just a minute [16:41] NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x00004005) [16:41] I get this error when I click Settings button [16:42] but that is for access to USB devices. [16:42] Are you using virtualbox from virtualbox.org? [16:43] Install the extension pack if you are [16:43] yes. [16:43] I already installed the extention pack [16:43] Ok. [16:43] Hm [16:44] I am now looking at Settings>Storage: [16:44] See the cd drive listed? [16:44] the problem is that I do not get a cd drive, only IDE and SATA controller [16:45] Oh. I've never used the wizard before, so you'd have to add a cd drive manually. [16:45] http://i.imgur.com/2wK2n.png [16:45] I do it like that manually [16:46] select the IDE controller and click the icon that looks like a cd with a plus sign [16:46] in the attributes on the right you can choose a file then you get the file manager to navigate to it [16:46] I choose the add button, then add CD/DVD player. Then: [16:46] choose disk [16:47] browse to the ISO [16:47] choose disk, yes [16:47] Then you should see the ISO listed there [16:47] then I see quantal-desktop-amd64.iso, which I select [16:47] Yep [16:48] Message: [16:49] SATA controller (SATA port 1) already uses a medium that is already mounted to IDE controller (IDE Primary master) [16:49] This is a bit vague for me [16:49] Uh [16:49] Screenshot? [16:50] guys, perhaps I should try to burn a cd first and see if that works. I take too much of your time at the moment [16:50] nah. [16:52] hannie: I have installed vbox now - so the time is gone :D [16:52] it is fine, hannie [16:52] aha, I had to remove an earlier "add disk" attempt first. [16:52] ok, I'll see what happens now [16:53] gl [16:53] Heyho, I am getting there [16:53] \o/ [16:53] woot [16:53] It had something to do with IDE and SATA controllers [16:53] I started with SATA, but it should be IDE controller [16:54] sorry :( [16:54] Yes, yes, I see the welcome screen of Ubuntu [16:54] :) [16:54] yay! [16:54] hannie: I have installed it now - so I won't need to try and get you help with my memory [16:55] I just clicked the install button [16:55] elfy, you are my friend [16:55] and CharlesA too ;) [16:55] yay! [16:55] :) [16:56] * elfy is going to write a new vbox wiki [16:56] \o/ [16:56] hannie can then proof it for me and correct it :) [16:56] elfy, installation type Erase disk and install Ubuntu. What will it erase? The virtual disk I hope [16:57] yea [16:58] I ummed and aahed over that message for an age first time :) [16:58] I am afraid to continue. Do I get the green light? [16:58] just check it says whatever size you told vbox to make the virtual drive :) [16:58] writing a tutorial on this is definitely necessary [16:59] It doesn't give me any size, but I can choose "Something else" [16:59] choose whole drive [17:00] I see: /dev/sda ATA VBOX Harddisk (12.9 GB), so that IS the virtual disk [17:01] :) [17:01] For this experiment I gave it just 12 GB [17:02] on a 1TB hard disk, lol [17:03] more than enough for a vm [17:03] if it is for test purposes - mine usually get 5Gb [17:03] After I had the guts to choose option one I got the information: entire disk will be used: 12 GB [17:04] :p [17:04] Now it is safe to continue. elfy we are going to put all this in a tutirial, right? [17:04] wiki ftw [17:04] looks like it :) [17:04] yes, a wiki page [17:04] I will write one [17:05] The installation is now in progress [17:05] I will have pwetty piccies too [17:05] I do not know how to thank you guys [17:05] ow, I love pwetty piccies [17:06] I will start by making a copy of this conversation [17:06] you usually do a good job of thanking people hannie :) [17:06] and rightly so... [17:06] I should not take help for granted [17:08] no-one does - we are all in the ubuntu family :) [17:08] that is why I am so fond of this community [17:09] Hurray! Quantal is installed in my VB [17:09] Who wants a nice virtual glass of good French wine to celebrate? [17:10] I'll go for one of those :) [17:11] though generally I think that good French wine is an oxymoron :p [17:11] * elfy is a spanish wine drinker mostly [17:16] I call it a day. cya all soon