[14:15] <hannie> hey elfy hob has left you?
[14:15] <elfy> hi hannie :)
[14:15] <elfy> hob was being bad
[14:16] <hannie> ah, he has been punished
[14:16] <elfy> yep
[14:16] <hannie> elfy, I read quite some tutorials the other day, but
[14:16] <hannie> most of them are not good enough to wikify
[14:17] <elfy> there is some movement going on with staff and the tutes forum - when there is something concrete to pass on I will
[14:17] <hannie> I hesitate to put them on the rejected list, though
[14:17] <hannie> ok, let me know when it is definite
[14:18] <elfy> how about putting them on a m/list post and then we can all have a look at them
[14:18] <elfy> there were a bunch of unapproved things - I PM'd them today
[14:19] <hannie> ok, perhaps the ones are read are already rejected
[14:19] <hannie> *are=I
[14:19] <hannie> I will check the list
[14:20] <elfy> perhaps so - not sure that anyone other than wildmanne is using that list - I've been out of the loop a bit lately
[14:20] <hannie> I have not used it either (hesitation as I said before)
[14:21] <elfy> :)
[14:21] <elfy> if you are not sure - m/l is best I think
[14:21] <elfy> at least someone else will have a look then
[14:21] <hannie> will do that, back to work now ;)
[14:22] <elfy> ok :)
[14:22] <elfy> how's the translation going?
[14:22] <hannie> well, strings are very long in LP, that puts my fellow translators off
[14:22] <elfy> aah
[14:22] <hannie> So we are only 3 working on it
[14:23] <elfy> that's not many
[14:23] <hannie> the others do not like the length of the strings very much
[14:23] <elfy> I'm sure you are a good team though :)
[14:24] <hannie> we are
[14:25] <hannie> did you see the manual is in the Software Center now
[14:25] <elfy> yep - been following your m/l for a while - elfy needs to get in gear an say I'll help somewhere :)
[14:26] <elfy> bit hard for me though as I don't use ubuntu
[14:26] <hannie> maybe in September we can use more editors/reviewers
[14:26] <hannie> You can install Ubuntu in Virtual box
[14:27] <elfy> I know - what I mean more I guess is that anything that is unity specific I'd have no clue :)
[14:27] <hannie> I am going to install VB in a minute. Paddy gave me some good advice
[14:28] <elfy> he's a good one is paddy landau
[14:28] <hannie> I am used to Unity now, and I really like it
[14:28] <hannie> paddy is worth his weight in gold
[14:29] <hannie> that is a Dutch saying
[14:29] <captain-jack> amen on paddy
[14:29] <elfy> it hurts me funnily enough - I am a mouse not kbd person - 2 monitors and dodgy joints - so it kills my wrist getting all the way over there to the launcher
[14:29] <elfy> hannie: that's an english saying too
[14:29] <captain-jack> Did a couple of his tutorials for him- he was really great to work with
[14:29] <elfy> I bet he was captain-jack
[14:30] <elfy> hannie: surely a dutch saying would be 'worth his weight in tulips' :)
[14:30] <hannie> in the middle ages tulips were worth more than gold!
[14:31] <elfy> yep :)
[14:31] <hannie> elfy, what os do you use?
[14:31] <elfy> xubuntu
[14:31] <elfy> I'm on the dev list to help with xubuntu docs this cycle as well lol
[14:31] <hannie> in Unity you can use the Super key to get to items on the launcher
[14:32] <elfy> I have mine set up with a panel at the bottom right of the l/hand monitor - so it is more or less in the middle
[14:32] <hannie> To prevent RSI it would be advisible to use the mouse as little as possible
[14:32] <elfy> hannie: that is not the only thing I don't like about unity :)
[14:33] <captain-jack> Nice elfy
[14:33] <hannie> I'm sure there are more things in Unity people do not like
[14:33] <elfy> and I'm too old to learn new tricks ... have enough trouble remembering what the day is without a bunch of new kbd shortcuts
[14:34] <hannie> elfy, you sound like my husband who sticks to Office97
[14:34] <elfy> hannie: my biggest issue is I do not like the size of it - when I can have 20px buttons on it I might look again
[14:34] <elfy> ha ha ha :)
[14:35] <hannie> 20px buttons? What do you mean?
[14:35] <hannie> You can chose any resolution
[14:35] <elfy> smallest for the buttons on the launcher is 32px is it not?
[14:35] <hannie> Let me have a look
[14:37] <hannie> biggest = 64, which is huge
[14:38] <elfy> !!!
[14:38] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/rAIah.jpg
[14:38] <hannie> there is a slider with which you can increase the size of the icons on the launcher
[14:39] <hannie> from 32 to 64
[14:39] <elfy> see my little panel at the bottom - 20px
[14:40] <hannie> that doesn't look like Unity, at least not in Ubuntu Precise
[14:40] <hannie> The launcher is on the left side of the screen
[14:41] <captain-jack> tiny tiny elfy
[14:41] <hannie> captain-jack, don't tease elfy ;)
[14:41] <elfy> that isn't - it's a proper panel in a grown up's flavour of buntu :D
[14:42] <elfy> shouldn't talk like that in a logged channel - someone might believe me lol
[14:42] <captain-jack> hannie, :)
[14:42] <hannie> if you think them too small, change to Ubuntu Precise
[14:42]  * captain-jack is using the proper grown up's flavor of Linux
[14:42] <hannie> have you ever tried Virtual Box?
[14:42] <captain-jack> :P
[14:44] <hannie> I am going to install it now. I will let you know my findings if you are interested, elfy
[14:44] <captain-jack> Debian wheezy FTW
[14:44] <elfy> I use vbox quite a bit hannie
[14:44] <elfy> but this is my emergency box - I killed the other one :(
[14:44] <hannie> ok, if I have questions I know where to find you
[14:45] <elfy> :)
[14:45] <hannie> since Paddy is never in one of my channels
[14:45] <elfy> lol
[14:46] <elfy> gtg for a bit now - bunch of stuff to do - cya soon hannie :)
[14:47] <hannie> cya
[14:47] <hannie> captain-jack, wheezy better choice than squeeze or lenny I suppose
[14:48] <captain-jack> Lenny's oldy moldy hannie
[14:48] <captain-jack> squeeze is too old for me but stable stable
[14:48] <hannie> ok, I go to wheezy AMD64
[14:48] <captain-jack> wheezy is more stable than sid or Ubuntu, plus I can get my gnome-shell et al
[14:49] <hannie> captain-jack, thanks for the info
[14:49] <captain-jack> So far I'm quite impressed- enough so to slowly make the move away from Ubuntu and to Debian for my main working OS
[14:49] <captain-jack> sure hannie
[15:19] <hannie> captain-jack, so far so good. I have installed VB. Now I will download Quantal (probably alpha)
[15:21] <captain-jack> yay! :)
[15:21] <captain-jack> Haven't tried quantal yet.
[15:21] <hannie> It will be full of bugs, hence in VB
[15:21] <captain-jack> Right. VB is a handy application
[15:22] <hannie> I need Quantal because we want to release the Ubuntu manual soon after the release of Quantal
[15:26] <elfy> back
[15:26] <captain-jack> Great; wb elfy
[15:27] <elfy> hannie: get the daily
[15:27] <hannie> express?
[15:27] <elfy> lol
[15:27] <hannie> I just installed VB
[15:27] <elfy> daily download of quantal - less updates to get afterwards
[15:27] <hannie> and downloading quantal alpha 2 now
[15:28] <hannie> I am not sure if it is the daily version.
[15:28] <elfy> hannie: there will be lots of updates to get
[15:28] <elfy> I've had probably 200Mb since alpha2 was released
[15:28] <elfy> and some broke
[15:29] <hannie> oops! I have the bad habit of just picking one of the sites I get from google search
[15:29] <elfy> which do you want 32 or 64 ?
[15:29] <hannie> I might throw tis one away
[15:29] <hannie> I have 64
[15:30] <elfy> 2 secs
[15:30] <hannie> I am on softpedia right now
[15:30] <elfy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120719.2/quantal-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:31] <elfy> checksum is here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120719.2/MD5SUMS
[15:31] <hannie> righto, thanks. I'll download that one.
[15:31] <elfy> that'll be the most up to date d/load
[15:32] <elfy> software sources is broken at the moment
[15:32] <hannie> I only see a list, no links.
[15:32] <hannie> forgive me my ignorance
[15:32] <elfy> that's the md5sum page :)
[15:32] <elfy> the first link I gave is the iso
[15:32] <hannie> that is where I am
[15:33] <elfy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120719.2/quantal-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:33] <elfy> is the d/load - should just go straight to save
[15:33] <hannie> ah, that's better
[15:33] <elfy> :)
[15:33] <elfy> I do mine with zsync now that I have it
[15:34] <hannie> never heard of zsync, but always willing to try new stuff
[15:35] <elfy> if you have the daily iso and then zsync it the next day - it just gets the new bits
[15:35] <elfy> basically
[15:37] <elfy> then checks it
[15:42] <elfy> hannie: http://pastebin.com/tRrWBnrb  - 2 day old daily iso - it just needed to get 25% of the iso instead of the whole thing
[15:45] <hannie> back again.
[15:50] <elfy> :)
[15:50] <hannie> 2 minutes to go
[15:50] <elfy> :)
[15:50] <elfy> I hope I gave you the right link ...
[15:50] <elfy> :p
[15:51] <hannie> Paddy added info about guest extensions. I downloaded those too
[15:51] <elfy> yep
[15:51] <elfy> the quantal ones?
[15:51] <hannie> yes
[15:51] <hannie> well, I hope so
[15:51] <elfy> hang on what you doing here - running vbox in 12.04 to run quantal
[15:52] <hannie> right
[15:52] <elfy> just so I know if you ask me questions :)
[15:52] <hannie> you're right, they should be the 12.04 extensions. I'll check
[15:53] <elfy> well if you got them from precise then they will be
[15:56] <hannie> I keep my finges crossed (going to install quantal in VB now)
[15:56] <hannie> *fingers
[15:56] <elfy> :)
[15:58] <hannie> would base memory 1024 MB be sufficient (I have 6 GB)
[16:04] <elfy> I usually - but moslty because if I'm using the vm I am using it - give 50% to the vm
[16:05] <elfy> if I had 6 I'd definitely give it 2
[16:05] <hannie> ah, thanks, I can still go back and change it
[16:05] <elfy> yep
[16:14] <hannie> arghhh! No bootable medium found. I had the iso on a bootable usb stick. Now I have to burn a cd
[16:15] <hannie> I am not going to bother you with my experiments. I will just play with it a bit
[16:15] <hannie> Thanks for all your good advice
[16:24] <elfy> no
[16:24] <elfy> no need to burn anything
[16:25] <elfy> you still there hannie
[16:25] <hannie> yep
[16:25] <hannie> then where do I say where to find the iso?
[16:25] <elfy> go into settings
[16:26] <hannie> ok
[16:26] <elfy> then storage
[16:26] <hannie> ok
[16:26] <elfy> then one will be something like secondary
[16:26] <hannie> I see SATA controller and IDE controller
[16:27] <elfy> yep - sata - then there is something looks like a cd - sort of click that
[16:27] <hannie> and quantal-alfa2.vdi (which I created)
[16:27] <elfy> wrong one then
[16:27] <hannie> wait I see icons
[16:27] <elfy> one of those storage options will let you navigate to where the iso is
[16:28]  * hannie dig, dig....
[16:28] <elfy> I have no vbox here or I would say - there there there lol
[16:29] <hannie> add hard disk probably
[16:29] <hannie> chose an existing disk or create one
[16:29]  * elfy is asking someone :)
[16:30] <hannie> But this adds a virtual hard disk, which is not what I want
[16:30] <elfy> yea - the right option allows it to boot from the iso
[16:30] <elfy> which is what you want :)
[16:30] <hannie> and what is the right option?
[16:31] <elfy> to boot from the iso so you can install - no need for cd or usb or anything :)
[16:31] <hannie> I want VB to look on my ubuntu directories where the iso can be found
[16:31] <elfy> yep
[16:31] <hannie> got ir, chose an existing disk
[16:32] <elfy> hopefully :)
[16:34] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/b06VE.jpg
[16:34] <hannie> No, this is not right (failed to open quantal-amd64.iso) Don't know why
[16:34] <elfy> hannie - that ^^ and choose a virtual cd/dvd disk file
[16:34] <hannie> The medium can't be used as the requested device type
[16:34] <elfy> from that option?
[16:35] <hannie> I will do as you suggest
[16:35] <hannie> yes, to "from that option"
[16:36]  * elfy installs vbox :)
[16:36] <hannie> wait, I chose CD/DVD, and now I see the iso
[16:36] <hannie> which is on the hard disk
[16:37] <elfy> yep
[16:37] <CharlesA> 'lo
[16:37] <elfy> we might be there CharlesA :)
[16:37] <elfy> hannie: if you get more - ask CharlesA :)
[16:37] <hannie> ah, CharlesA one minute, just trying
[16:37] <CharlesA> no prob
[16:39] <hannie> CharlesA, I used the wizard to prepare a vdi, but when I click the start button I get "No bootable medium found! System halted
[16:39] <hannie> How can I tell VB it should look for the iso on my hard disk?
[16:40] <CharlesA> hannie: Did you tell the Vm where the ISO is? Right click VM > settings > storage > select cd drive > click cd icon > select iso
[16:40] <hannie> will do, just a minute
[16:41] <hannie> NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x00004005)
[16:41] <hannie> I get this error when I click Settings button
[16:42] <hannie> but that is for access to USB devices.
[16:42] <CharlesA> Are you using virtualbox from virtualbox.org?
[16:43] <CharlesA> Install the extension pack if you are
[16:43] <hannie> yes.
[16:43] <hannie>  I already installed the extention pack
[16:43] <CharlesA> Ok.
[16:43] <CharlesA> Hm
[16:44] <hannie> I am now looking at Settings>Storage:
[16:44] <CharlesA> See the cd drive listed?
[16:44] <hannie> the problem is that I do not get a cd drive, only IDE and SATA controller
[16:45] <CharlesA> Oh. I've never used the wizard before, so you'd have to add a cd drive manually.
[16:45] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/2wK2n.png
[16:45] <elfy> I do it like that manually
[16:46] <CharlesA> select the IDE controller and click the icon that looks like a cd with a plus sign
[16:46] <elfy> in the attributes on the right you can choose a file then you get the file manager to navigate to it
[16:46] <hannie> I choose the add button, then add CD/DVD player. Then:
[16:46] <CharlesA> choose disk
[16:47] <CharlesA> browse to the ISO
[16:47] <hannie> choose disk, yes
[16:47] <CharlesA> Then you should see the ISO listed there
[16:47] <hannie> then I see quantal-desktop-amd64.iso, which I select
[16:47] <CharlesA> Yep
[16:48] <hannie> Message:
[16:49] <hannie> SATA controller (SATA port 1) already uses a medium that is already mounted to IDE controller (IDE Primary master)
[16:49] <hannie> This is a bit vague for me
[16:49] <CharlesA> Uh
[16:49] <CharlesA> Screenshot?
[16:50] <hannie> guys, perhaps I should try to burn a cd first and see if that works. I take too much of your time at the moment
[16:50] <CharlesA> nah.
[16:52] <elfy> hannie: I have installed vbox now - so the time is gone :D
[16:52] <CharlesA> it is fine, hannie
[16:52] <hannie> aha, I had to remove an earlier "add disk" attempt first.
[16:52] <hannie> ok, I'll see what happens now
[16:53] <CharlesA> gl
[16:53] <hannie> Heyho, I am getting there
[16:53] <CharlesA> \o/
[16:53] <elfy> woot
[16:53] <hannie> It had something to do with IDE and SATA controllers
[16:53] <hannie> I started with SATA, but it should be IDE controller
[16:54] <elfy> sorry :(
[16:54] <hannie> Yes, yes, I see the welcome screen of Ubuntu
[16:54] <elfy> :)
[16:54] <CharlesA> yay!
[16:54] <elfy> hannie: I have installed it now - so I won't need to try and get you help with my memory
[16:55] <hannie> I just clicked the install button
[16:55] <hannie> elfy, you are my friend
[16:55] <hannie> and CharlesA too ;)
[16:55] <CharlesA> yay!
[16:55] <elfy> :)
[16:56]  * elfy is going to write a new vbox wiki 
[16:56] <CharlesA> \o/
[16:56] <elfy> hannie can then proof it for me and correct it :)
[16:56] <hannie> elfy, installation type Erase disk and install Ubuntu. What will it erase? The virtual disk I hope
[16:57] <elfy> yea
[16:58] <elfy> I ummed and aahed over that message for an age first time :)
[16:58] <hannie> I am afraid to continue. Do I get the green light?
[16:58] <elfy> just check it says whatever size you told vbox to make the virtual drive :)
[16:58] <hannie> writing a tutorial on this is definitely necessary
[16:59] <hannie> It doesn't give me any size, but I can choose "Something else"
[16:59] <elfy> choose whole drive
[17:00] <hannie> I see: /dev/sda ATA VBOX Harddisk (12.9 GB), so that IS the virtual disk
[17:01] <elfy> :)
[17:01] <hannie> For this experiment I gave it just 12 GB
[17:02] <hannie> on a 1TB hard disk, lol
[17:03] <elfy> more than enough for a vm
[17:03] <elfy> if it is for test purposes - mine usually get 5Gb
[17:03] <hannie> After I had the guts to choose option one I got the information: entire disk will be used: 12 GB
[17:04] <elfy> :p
[17:04] <hannie> Now it is safe to continue. elfy we are going to put all this in a tutirial, right?
[17:04] <CharlesA> wiki ftw
[17:04] <elfy> looks like it :)
[17:04] <hannie> yes, a wiki page
[17:04] <elfy> I will write one
[17:05] <hannie> The installation is now in progress
[17:05] <elfy> I will have pwetty piccies too
[17:05] <hannie> I do not know how to thank you guys
[17:05] <hannie> ow, I love pwetty piccies
[17:06] <hannie> I will start by making a copy of this conversation
[17:06] <elfy> you usually do a good job of thanking people hannie :)
[17:06] <hannie> and rightly so...
[17:06] <hannie> I should not take help for granted
[17:08] <elfy> no-one does - we are all in the ubuntu family :)
[17:08] <hannie> that is why I am so fond of this community
[17:09] <hannie> Hurray! Quantal is installed in my VB
[17:09] <hannie> Who wants a nice virtual glass of good French wine to celebrate?
[17:10] <elfy> I'll go for one of those :)
[17:11] <elfy> though generally I think that good French wine is an oxymoron :p
[17:11]  * elfy is a spanish wine drinker mostly
[17:16] <hannie> I call it a day. cya all soon