[05:21]  * Kilos waves to everyone. will be offline for the day as soon as eskom cuts the power
[05:21] <Kilos> you all be good ok?
[05:27] <Squirm> morning
[05:27] <magespawn> Good morning 
[05:28] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[05:28] <Kilos> lo magespawn 
[05:30] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[05:33] <Kilos> whats news with booting magespawn 
[05:34] <Kilos> i will be off anytime after 8 with power cut
[05:36] <magespawn> Still no luck, when I get brak today I will try your directions from last night.
[05:36] <magespawn> Break
[05:36] <Kilos> ok good luck
[05:38] <magespawn> I am actually tempted to do a freash install, kde or xcfe this time.
[05:38] <Kilos> is there nothing of importance on it?
[05:40] <Kilos> follow this first step for step https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[05:43] <magespawn> No nothing, all the work is stored on external drives.
[05:43] <Kilos> whew thats lucky
[05:45] <magespawn> Old laptop, so as a precuation I was keeping all the data elsewhere.
[05:45] <Kilos> wise move
[05:46] <Kilos> especially if you using it to fix win stuff
[05:46] <magespawn> You learn evetually
[05:46] <magespawn> Even me.
[05:46] <Kilos> hehe
[05:51] <magespawn> Going to try xubuntu.
[05:51] <Kilos> ok
[05:51] <Kilos> just takes getting used to
[05:53] <magespawn> So do a lot of things, keeps the brain flexible.
[05:53] <Kilos> lol
[06:41] <superfly> morning magespawn
[06:41] <magespawn> Hey superfly
[06:51] <superfly> magespawn: sorry, haven't been at my keyboard much since you were asking about the booting issue
[06:52] <magespawn> No worries, like I said it does not have any data on it just programmes.
[06:54] <superfly> magespawn: You could always boot to a CD or USB stick, chroot, and then rerun grub's setup
[07:01] <superfly> ohi yusuf
[07:01] <yusuf> hi ya superfly
[07:01] <superfly> haven't seen you around for a while
[07:01] <yusuf> it's been a looooooooooooooooong time
[07:01] <superfly> :-)
[07:02] <yusuf> maybe a few years, I wonder
[07:02] <yusuf> its just that I hit a brick wall and I remembered a place to shout for help
[07:04] <yusuf> Having some problems with ubuntu server with two nics
[07:05] <superfly> uhuh
[07:05] <yusuf> eth0 10.60.40.200/24 and eth1 192.168.1.113
[07:05] <yusuf> both dhcp
[07:06] <yusuf> is it possible to route between the two?
[07:06] <superfly> yup
[07:06] <superfly> what do you want to route?
[07:07] <yusuf> for example i want 10.60.40.70 to be able to browse the webserver on 192.168.1.100
[07:08] <superfly> route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.113
[07:08] <superfly> but what you probably want to do is use the ifup hooks to run that
[07:08] <yusuf> on the router 10.60.40.2 I have a static route to 10.60.40.10
[07:09] <superfly> raoul@resistor:/etc/network/if-up.d
[07:09] <yusuf> ubuntu server is not my router
[07:09] <superfly> urg, not my whole prompt
[07:09] <superfly> yusuf: you asked if you can route between the two nics, I told you how
[07:10] <superfly> yusuf: if your router is external to your server, how is it supposed to route stuff on the server?
[07:11] <yusuf> superfly: i thought setting a static route on the server pointing to 10.60.40.200 should solve that
[07:11] <yusuf> sorry static route on the Dlink router
[07:12] <yusuf> lets explain a little better, office block 1 (D-link router with 12 clients)
[07:13] <yusuf> office block 3 (billion router 192.168.1.0)
[07:14] <yusuf> office 2 (using a switch connecting from office 1 - so same network)
[07:15] <yusuf> server in office 2 has two nics (one connected to office 1 network and the other connected to office three)
[07:17] <yusuf> wanted to know if I set a static route on the router from office 1 to the server in office two, will I be able to configure the server to forward this traffic to office three network 
[07:18] <yusuf> or is there some other way to get office one and three talking?
[07:19] <yusuf> using port fowarding over ssh to connect to the server in office three from office one at the moment
[07:27] <superfly> yusuf: routing is not that difficult... you just need know where you want the traffic to go, and what range of IPs to route to
[07:37] <yusuf> basically I just want both networks to ping each other
[07:38] <yusuf> superfly: and solution would work even if it means vpn or something
[07:38] <superfly> yusuf: no need for a VPN - otherwise the Internet would only work with VPNs
[07:39] <superfly> yusuf: Routing 101.
[07:39] <superfly> 1. Stuff gets routed via specific routing rules
[07:39] <superfly> 2. If there isn't a routing rule, it gets sent to the default gateway
[07:39] <superfly> 3. That is all.
[07:39] <yusuf> 192.168.1.0	255.255.255.0	 10.60.40.200	 
[07:40] <yusuf> thats my static route on my dlink router
[07:40] <yusuf> if I ping from anywhere on 10.60.40.0 I get
[07:40] <superfly> yusuf: every computer does routing
[07:41] <yusuf> From 10.60.40.2: icmp_seq=2 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 10.60.40.200)
[07:41] <superfly> all your computers are set up to route stuff via the default gateway
[07:42] <yusuf> but then no response 100% packet loss
[07:45] <superfly> of course not, you haven't told it to route that traffic to an accessible location
[07:45] <superfly> what are you pinging?
[07:47] <yusuf> ok something seems to be working now
[07:48] <yusuf> I added route add -net 10.60.40.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.113 on the ubuntu server in office three
[07:48] <yusuf> now I can ping office one network
[07:52] <yusuf> superfly: thanks now it works both ways thanks, seems as if the static route on my billion is not working, so adding that route directly to the ubuntu server in office three made the diffrence
[07:53] <superfly> yusuf: As I said a few times already, the routing on the router is not going to affect routing between two nics on a computer
[07:54] <yusuf> superfly: thanks, been scratching my head for two days now
[08:05] <magespawn> Brb 
[10:23] <charl> good afternoon
[10:27] <inetpro> charl: wb
[10:49] <nuvolari> o/
[11:29] <not_found> *yawn*
[11:35] <zeref> hmmmm, anybody else having trouble connecting to gmail?
[11:36] <inetpro> Maaz: is https://mail.google.com/ down?
[11:36] <Maaz> inetpro: No, it's just you
[11:36] <inetpro> zeref: working for me and Maaz
[11:37] <zeref> awww
[11:38] <SmilyBorg_w> I overheard the techies saying that there was an issue with SAIX lite adsl accounts, though I can't confirm that
[11:40] <zeref> o0o0, i can view the page with w3m https://mail.google.com/
[11:45] <inetpro> zeref: in that case it's just you :-)
[12:20] <charl> i love logging into google in germany, you get a login screen "google konten"
[12:21] <charl> (fyi, "konten" means a-holes in dutch)
[12:21] <charl> just means accounts in german
[12:22] <not_found> so I guess we hope it is a German site and not a Dutch site
[12:23] <charl> yup, if you find a dutch site with that title, i would be careful
[12:23] <charl> especially considering you have to "log in"
[12:25] <not_found> lol
[12:25] <not_found> oh wait L/
[12:25] <not_found> :/
[12:25] <not_found> :(
[12:26] <charl> the first time i saw it, i didn't know what it means in german, kinda freaked me out
[12:26] <charl> i thought google got hacked or something
[12:26] <charl> on the reverse side, there is this company called "webton" in germany
[12:27] <charl> in german, "ton" means "tone", so the company's english name would have been "webtone"
[12:27] <charl> kind corny, but ok
[12:27] <charl> so they opened up a branch in the netherlands and called it by the same name
[12:27] <charl> problem is, "tone" in dutch is "toon", not "ton"
[12:27] <charl> "ton" however means garbage
[12:28] <charl> so the company literally looks like it's been called "webgarbage"
[12:28] <not_found> it might be
[12:29] <charl> the funniest thing of it all is that they advertise things like "search engine optimisation" and "link building"
[12:29] <charl> i seriously thought somebody was pulling a (very expensive) prank
[12:38] <not_found> haha
[13:46] <magespawn> anybody here with dd-wrt experience?
[14:05] <tumbleweed> yes
[14:05] <tumbleweed> (openwrt is nicer)
[14:25] <magespawn> same sort of hardware support?
[14:26] <tumbleweed> not quite as wide
[14:26] <tumbleweed> also, less friendly web UI
[14:26] <tumbleweed> but far more modern internals and more customiseable
[14:51] <magespawn> cool thank tumbleweed
[14:51] <magespawn> later all
[15:12] <charl> l8r
[16:10] <Ludo> Hi guys, do anybody know of a local certified partner for ubuntu as specified in http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/ ?
[16:11] <inetpro> Ludo: I would be surprised if there were any
[16:13] <inetpro> best person to answer that would possibly be tumbleweed, he's been tumbling the world over
[16:13] <Ludo> _sigh_ thanks for giving me the question I don't want to have.
[16:14] <Ludo> answer*
[16:14] <inetpro> :-)
[16:15] <inetpro> Ludo: why do need a certified system, if I may ask?
[16:16] <Ludo> because every system I have tried to use it on since 2008 have its problems. I want to make it the vendors problem.
[16:16] <inetpro> hmm... 
[16:16] <Ludo> or it might just be me ;)
[16:17] <inetpro> Ludo: you looking for a laptop or a desktop?
[16:18] <nuvolari> ack :-/ bbl
[16:19] <inetpro> nuvolari: .
[16:19] <Ludo> laptop
[16:19] <inetpro> Ludo: I've had no problems with a Dell Latitude E6220
[16:20] <inetpro> and it's even Certified for Ubuntu
[16:20] <inetpro> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201101-7178/
[16:20] <nuvolari> sal later vanaand weer terug wees 
[16:20] <nuvolari> lekker aand almal
[16:20] <inetpro> nuvolari: np
[16:21]  * inetpro wonders whether Kilos got power restored again
[16:21] <inetpro> doesn't look like it though
[16:21] <inetpro> Kilos: eh
[16:22] <Kilos> inetpro, eh
[16:22] <inetpro> I was just talking about you
[16:22] <Kilos> lies again
[16:22] <inetpro> 19/07 18:21:31 -*- inetpro wonders whether Kilos got power restored again
[16:22] <Kilos> lol
[16:22] <inetpro> wb
[16:22] <Kilos> came on 10 mins ago and i gotta get supper ready too
[16:22] <Kilos> ty
[16:22] <inetpro> np
[16:23] <Kilos> thats an advandage of making lotsa food. always some that can come outa freezer and be microwaved
[16:23] <Kilos> evening everyone
[16:25] <inetpro> from #ubuntu-meeting 19/07 18:19:48 <mhall119> everyone can watch Mark's keynote at OSCON here: http://www.oscon.com/oscon2012/public/content/video
[16:25] <Kilos> aw
[16:28] <inetpro> oops
[16:28] <inetpro> that's actually from #ubuntu-community-team
[16:28] <Kilos> ty
[16:28] <inetpro> Dell is coming with pre-installed systems in the American market
[16:32] <inetpro> nice! First class web applications will be directly in the desktop
[16:32] <inetpro> Ubuntu 12.10 will be awesome!
[16:34] <inetpro> ok, he's done
[16:34] <inetpro> and now it's dinner time
[16:34]  * inetpro bbl
[16:38] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[16:39] <Kilos> from #ubuntu-meeting 19/07 18:19:48 <mhall119> everyone can watch Mark's keynote at OSCON here: http://www.oscon.com/oscon2012/public/content/video
[16:59] <tumbleweed> Ludo, inetpro: there are local certified support companies
[16:59] <tumbleweed> don't know who offhand, though
[17:26] <Kilos> wb Ludo 
[17:28] <Ludo> thanks Kilos 
[17:28] <Ludo> tumbleweed, thanks
[17:34] <charl> hi
[17:38] <Kilos> hi charl 
[17:41] <tumbleweed> lsd systems, IIRC?
[17:46] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[17:47] <Cantide> hello ^-^
[17:54] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[18:09] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:10] <Kilos> hows the head?
[18:28] <nuvolari> elvis entered the building
[18:28]  * nuvolari takes a bow
[18:28] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[18:29]  * nuvolari tips hat to superfly, charl, Cantide, tumbleweed
[18:29] <Cantide> ^^
[18:29] <Cantide> heya
[18:29] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[18:29] <Kilos> goeie nuus ne
[18:30] <nuvolari> virseker!
[18:31] <nuvolari> verseker?
[18:31]  * nuvolari sleep translate.google.com nader
[18:31] <Cantide> ek ook kan nie afrikaans praat nie ._.
[18:31] <nuvolari> *vir seker
[18:32] <nuvolari> Cantide: well, you understood most of what I said
[18:32] <nuvolari> :P
[18:32] <Tonberry> verseker = insurance iirc
[18:32] <nuvolari> looks like it
[18:32] <nuvolari> so that's good enough
[18:32] <Cantide> ^^
[18:32] <nuvolari> ah, thanks Tonberry 
[18:33] <Kilos> sorry guys well try use english as much as possible
[18:33] <Cantide> \o/
[18:33] <Cantide> or German or Korean
[18:33] <Kilos> ian is very sick
[18:34] <Kilos> docs suspect some avian infection in his lungs
[18:34] <nuvolari> see, he shouldn't be flying
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:35] <Kilos> from birds man
[18:35] <nuvolari> sorry, it's serious
[18:35] <nuvolari> he should stay grounded
[18:35] <Kilos> only has 25% lung capacity
[18:35] <nuvolari> joh
[18:35] <nuvolari> :-/
[18:35] <nuvolari> from all the skelm rook?
[18:35] <Kilos> will have to go to albert luthuli hospital in durbs
[18:36] <Kilos> hy rook nie. het nooit
[18:36] <nuvolari> hoekom hier oom?
[18:36] <Kilos> but he was born near 3 months early
[18:36] <nuvolari> I'm sure there must be a specialist closer than durban
[18:36] <Kilos> hulle se dis die beste hospitaal, swiss doctors
[18:38] <Kilos> Cantide, you speak korean
[18:39] <Cantide> 아니야
[18:39] <Cantide> i only know the alphabet and a few expressions
[18:39] <Kilos> ah
[18:39] <nuvolari> he spilled some water on his keyboard...
[18:39] <Cantide> can't hold conversation (yet)
[18:39] <nuvolari> :P
[18:39] <Cantide> :p
[18:39] <Kilos> hehe
[18:40] <Cantide> I learn a word or two a week, so maybe i will know enough soon
[18:40] <Cantide> but the grammar is really crazy .-.
[18:40] <Kilos> haha
[18:40] <Kilos> is there a reason for learning korean
[18:41] <Kilos> you wanna go work there
[18:42] <Cantide> yup
[18:42] <Cantide> going in 6 months, i hope
[18:43] <Cantide> final semester of UNISA now :) :) :) :)
[18:44] <Kilos> give it 110%
[18:46] <Cantide> at the moment i'm giving it about 10% :D
[18:46] <Cantide> i'll work on the other 100 later >_>
[18:46] <Kilos> eish
[18:47] <Kilos> last semester
[18:47] <Cantide> <_<
[18:47] <Kilos> rest of your life youre playing with here
[18:47] <Cantide> well, if things don't go as planned then there will be another last semester
[18:47] <Cantide> which won't be so cool
[18:47] <Cantide> but it will still be possible
[18:48] <Cantide> anyway, i'll quit my job soon so i can study hard before exams
[18:48] <Kilos> then you get to come here and get some sjambok
[18:48] <inetpro> stadig Kilos
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:48] <inetpro> ons wil nie mense seermaak hier nie
[18:49] <Cantide> hahaha
[18:49] <Kilos> net die boude man
[18:49] <inetpro> :-)
[18:49] <Cantide> dankie, oom ._.
[18:49]  * inetpro maak maar net seker hy hou by die reels van ubuntu
[18:49] <Kilos> lol
[18:49] <Kilos> ja you can whip someone with a smile on your face and not swear
[18:50] <Cantide> and being whipped, I should accept it gracefully
[18:50] <Cantide> this is ubuntu, right?
[18:50] <Kilos> yip
[18:50] <inetpro> so, is there anything interesting that happened today in the ubuntu world?
[18:50] <Cantide> we will allow others to watch - open source whipping
[18:50] <Kilos> dunno
[18:50] <Kilos> hehe
[18:51]  * inetpro has not been so actively online today
[18:51] <Kilos> what did mark say inetpro 
[18:51] <inetpro> Kilos: I posted that above... short stuff that I heard
[18:51] <Kilos> only saw one post
[18:52] <Kilos> as long as we are growing and taking over the future
[18:53] <inetpro> 19/07 18:28:58 <inetpro> Dell is coming with pre-installed systems in the American market
[18:53] <inetpro> 19/07 18:32:24 <inetpro> nice! First class web applications will be directly in the desktop
[18:53] <inetpro> 19/07 18:32:36 <inetpro> Ubuntu 12.10 will be awesome!
[18:53] <inetpro> First class web applications are like gmail
[18:53] <inetpro> web applications that will look like native applications
[18:53] <inetpro> integrated in the Unity interface
[18:54] <inetpro> with event functions in the HUD and all
[18:54] <Kilos> hmm
[18:55] <Cantide> any changes to unity?
[18:55] <Cantide> i'm still not quite liking it, even after using it for months :<
[18:55] <inetpro> Cantide: I ony watched a short snippet at the end
[18:55] <inetpro> only*
[18:55] <Cantide> oh, okay ^^
[18:55] <Cantide> i will have to wait for 12.10 and then see :)
[18:56] <inetpro> Cantide: you don't have to wait actually
[18:56] <Cantide> i avoid alpha >_>
[18:56] <inetpro> you can even try it now already
[18:56] <inetpro> and get involved in the process
[18:56]  * inetpro too
[18:57] <Cantide> once i quit my job i will have a lot more time on my hands
[18:57] <Cantide> perhaps then
[18:57] <inetpro> but according to the tumbling weed it's very stable these days
[18:57] <Cantide> i find it counter-productive
[18:58] <Cantide> the layout and functionality of the launcher vs the bar at the bottom from gnome 2.x
[18:58] <inetpro> only towards the end it really becomes a rough ride with everybody trying to get applications included in the release
[18:58] <Kilos> studies first
[18:58] <Cantide> i tend to rely on alt-tab a lot more now than i ever did -.-
[18:58] <Cantide> oh right, the OS is stable, got it '-'
[18:59] <inetpro> anyway... since nobody seemingly learned any new interesting things today that he/she want to share I shall have to go reading
[19:03] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:06] <superfly> inetpro: Install Raspian on your Raspberry Pi
[19:06] <inetpro> superfly: eh
[19:07]  * inetpro has not even ordered his Raspberry Pi
[19:07] <inetpro> superfly: what does it cost?
[19:07] <inetpro> and where do I order?
[19:07] <Cantide> 25 USD? 35 USD?
[19:07] <Cantide> can't remember..
[19:08] <superfly> inetpro: RS components, mine cost about R350-370, including shipping from the UK
[19:08] <Cantide> going back, integrated gmail would be really epic :)
[19:08] <inetpro> eish!
[19:08] <inetpro> a lot of moola
[19:08] <Cantide> superfly, cool :)
[19:08] <inetpro> then again relative cheap
[19:09] <superfly> http://za.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi
[19:11] <inetpro> superfly: hmm... and what do you order on top of the small goodie
[19:11] <inetpro> ?
[19:12] <inetpro> our Raspberry Pi may also need...
[19:12] <superfly> inetpro: a monitor capable of DVI or HDMI
[19:12] <inetpro> A white moulded plastic case to house the Type B Raspberry Pi
[19:12] <superfly> inetpro: an HDMI to DVI cable
[19:12] <superfly> inetpro: an extra keyboard and mouse
[19:12] <inetpro> superfly: ahh that
[19:13] <cocooncrash> inetpro: Or http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1310
[19:13] <cocooncrash> inetpro: Micro USB cable for power, SD card
[19:13] <inetpro> cocooncrash: ahh... Kilos he's awake?
[19:13] <inetpro> :-)
[19:13] <inetpro> wb cocooncrash
[19:13] <cocooncrash> :)
[19:13] <Kilos> lol yo cocooncrash 
[19:14] <inetpro> cocooncrash: ahh, good idea
[19:14] <inetpro> make your own cardboard case?
[19:14] <Kilos> its past midnight there now he will turn into a pumkin soon
[19:14] <cocooncrash> Kilos: Uh, no, it's just past midday
[19:15] <Kilos> oh my
[19:15] <superfly> inetpro: ah yes, an SD card with Raspian on it
[19:15] <Kilos> oh yes sorry
[19:15] <inetpro> interesting
[19:15] <cocooncrash> inetpro: Haven't got a RasbPi yet, so no
[19:16]  * inetpro shall wait for the end of the month before placing an order
[19:16] <inetpro> this certainly looks very interesting
[19:18] <Cantide> the Punnet is really cool :) perhaps tracing that onto plywood and making a wooden box would be nice; maybe even affix some spare PCB as trimming...
[19:19] <inetpro> Maaz: convert 7.19 gbp to rands
[19:19] <Maaz> inetpro: I'm not feeling too well
[19:19] <Cantide> now i want a Pi -.-
[19:19] <inetpro> eish!
[19:20] <inetpro> hmm R 93 a Belkin Hi-Speed USB 2.0 4-Port Hub
[19:20]  * Kerbero has a pi in the ski
[19:20] <Cantide> :D
[19:20] <Kerbero> *sky
[19:21] <Cantide> going to take Kilos' advice and study a bit, then sleep ._.
[19:21] <Cantide> nn
[19:22] <Kilos> haha someone listen s to me
[19:22] <Kilos> yay
[19:23] <Trixar_za> I wish I did. Would have saved me putting my foot in my mouth and having to apologize now
[19:23] <Kilos> hey Trixar_za 
[19:23] <Kilos> what did you say wrong?
[19:26] <Trixar_za> Er, told the guy I didn't care if we lost him as a developer (in not such a nice way - few f-bombs included), that I will make it my mission to replace his contributions with mine and revert any changes he makes that will negatively influence the project
[19:26] <Trixar_za> Oh and that he just pissed me off enough to motivate me to push the proposed idea forward as a definite
[19:27] <Trixar_za> ... and then he posted it on the mailing list, then I posted all this messages on the mailing list
[19:27] <Trixar_za> his*
[19:27] <Kilos> oh my
[19:28] <Trixar_za> We then made up like 5 minutes after the last email. So I had to send an apologetic email to the list too
[19:29] <Kilos> somewhere in my blogs there is a message to young peeps
[19:29] <Kilos> will try find it for you some time
[19:31] <Trixar_za> Like I said, I'm not a good leader
[19:31] <Trixar_za> :P
[19:32] <Kilos> you will get there
[19:33] <Kilos> the important thing to remember is one gets the most done when everyone feels they are a part of the team, not just an employee
[19:33] <inetpro> superfly: you think it makes a difference whether I order in GBP, USD or EURO?
[19:33] <Kilos> like all of us here
[19:37] <superfly> inetpro: it can, check the exchange rates
[19:38] <inetpro> will check
[19:38] <inetpro> superfly: do I really need to include a Micro USB cable for power, surely if I have a Samsung micro USB charger that should work?
[19:38] <cocooncrash> Maaz: exchange 7.19 GBP to ZAR
[19:38] <Maaz> cocooncrash: That didn't seem to agree with me
[19:38] <cocooncrash> Maaz: gcalc 7.19 GBP in ZAR
[19:38] <Maaz> cocooncrash: No result
[19:38] <superfly> inetpro: I have mine plugged into my PC :-)
[19:39] <inetpro> ok, so I'll leave that then
[19:39] <inetpro> superfly: and the High Speed SD Flash memory card, with Raspberry Pi operating system pre-installed?
[19:39] <inetpro> do you download your own?
[19:39] <superfly> inetpro: I rolled my own
[19:40] <inetpro> ok
[19:40] <inetpro> those auxillary cables also look cheap
[19:46] <inetpro> very interesting
[19:47] <inetpro> my order would work out as follows
[19:47] <inetpro> 81.77 USD = R670, 64.01 EUR = R820, 50.47 GBP = R650
[19:49] <inetpro> that is for Raspberry Pi Type B Single Board Computer, Ethernet network cable for Raspberry Pi, 4GB Class 6 SDHC Flash memory card for Raspberry Pi, Raspberry Pi Type B Case - Clear, HDMI cable for Raspberry Pi and 3.5mm Stereo to twin RCA plug cable for Raspberry Pi
[19:49] <inetpro> but yikes! 
[19:49] <inetpro> Despatch expected within 19 week(s)
[19:49] <inetpro> that is way to long to wait
[19:50] <inetpro> anyway, I shall wait for now and hopefully in a week or two I'll be able to compare the price with the above
[19:51] <Trixar_za> bbl
[19:52] <Kilos> night all sleep tight. see ya morrow
[19:52] <inetpro> good night Kilos
[19:59] <charl> nn all
[20:21] <inetpro> superfly: how's the performance of the Raspberry Pi?
[20:22] <superfly> inetpro: with the non-optimised Debian: slow, but not unusable
[20:22] <superfly> inetpro: I'm keen to see what Raspian is like
[20:22] <superfly> apparently it's faster and smoother
[20:22] <inetpro> you still downloading?
[20:23] <superfly> haven't downloaded it yet
[20:23] <inetpro> ok
[20:23] <inetpro> good thing if you can experience the Debian side first
[20:25] <inetpro> superfly: it will be very interesting to see how usable that little device can be for presentations
[20:26] <inetpro> no more bulky laptops needed to carry around
[20:26] <superfly> Raspian is Debian, it's just optimised
[20:27] <inetpro> ahh
[20:43] <cocooncrash> inetpro: That's a neat idea!
[20:43] <cocooncrash> I doubt that it could run LibreOffice, but a PDF reader should run fine.
[20:44] <inetpro> cocooncrash: would definitely look very cool!
[20:44] <cocooncrash> It amazes me that there's no standard to wirelessy connect to projectors to do presentations
[20:44] <inetpro> that plus a laser pointer and a projector
[20:45] <cocooncrash> A RasbPi connected to a project which accepts wireless connections from your Android would be neat
[20:45] <inetpro> in fact projectors should come with a built in raspberry pi
[20:46] <inetpro> now there's an idea
[20:46] <inetpro> I could make money
[20:46] <inetpro> :-)
[22:38] <tumbleweed> superfly: raspion shouldn't be more than 20% faster