[02:14] pykde takes a while to build === jalcine is now known as Jacky [04:18] JontheEchidna: Did you get a chance to take it for a spin? [09:01] I miss revu === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [09:25] Hi [09:28] hi Quintasan [09:37] Riddell: I think kimpanel's upstream is Chinese, that will make communication a little bit harder if he doesn't know English, gotta confirm it first [09:42] what makes you think he doesn't speak english? [09:47] kubuntu.org/news/calligra-25-rc [09:50] Riddell: Just guessing, so far my adventures in the Asian developer community ended up in a failure because I didn't know Chinese and the other party knew little English. [09:51] Riddell: We could also try switching to fcitx if we get enough tests. [09:54] ETOOMANYINPUTMETHODS [09:56] Quintasan: does it work? [09:57] Riddell: Well it looks like it is working, let me try that on a clean install. [09:57] * Quintasan does kvm magic [09:57] Blizzz: does the owncloud-client use gnome-keyring? it's giving me lots of error messages saying so [10:01] Riddell: dragotin says it does not [10:03] something does, I get lots of this when I run it "WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/jr/.cache/keyring-9Yp480/pkcs11: No such file or directory" [11:29] Hey all [11:33] ScottK: no, but it is compiled now. I'll give it a try after work today [12:43] JontheEchidna: Great. Thanks. === apachelogger___ is now known as apachelogger____ [13:00] Blizzz: owncloud-client in experimental ppa for the testing https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages [13:00] apachelogger____: what is the meaning of the underscores? [13:00] degree of annoyedness [13:00] uh oh [13:10] apachelogger____: remove one of them coz the video I sent u.U [13:11] touch debian/stamp-patched [13:11] that is reason to remove one === apachelogger____ is now known as apachelogger___ [13:29] happy birthday Nightrose [13:29] Riddell: thank you! :) [13:52] Riddell: yay! === smarter_ is now known as smarter [14:16] yeah happy birthday Nightrose [14:17] jjesse: thx :) [14:52] jtechidna: was there any conclusion to the gtk kcm question? [14:53] seems like the main point is it overriding default gtk settings which would affect ubuntu unity users [14:55] hmm, I don't think we reached any consensus on what to do. [14:55] though I think if the kcm is part of kubuntu-desktop then it's not that big of an issue [14:56] jtechidna: what's not an issue? [14:56] Riddell: globally setting the gtk settings [14:56] jtechidna: but that would mess up people who also wanted to use unity no? [14:57] they generally wouldn't install kubuntu-desktop, right? [14:57] some people like to use both [14:58] jtechidna: how do we set it by default for new users who havn't run the gtk config kcm? [14:58] I don't know [14:59] how do we do it currently? [14:59] not sure that's what I'm wondering :) [14:59] i don't see the point of unity with kde available ..I tried unity for 2 weeks , that was enough, now I understand why ubuntu users are looking at alternatives [15:00] I know we used to have a shell script as part of startkde, dunno if that's still used [15:00] ah yes it has "# configuration of the gtk2-engines-oxygen if not already set" [15:00] I thought xsettings-kde may have changed things, though [15:01] I'm not sure how everything fits together now [15:01] startkde makes ~/.kde/env/gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh [15:06] the good news is this new version of oxygen-gtk3 fixes it! [15:06] * Riddell updates oxygen-gtk2/3 [15:10] well I get how GTK2 theme is set, no idea how GTK 3 theme is set [15:15] archive admins are a bit slow :( bug 1012151 [15:15] Launchpad bug 1012151 in tagua (Ubuntu) "Request for removal from archive (binary and source, sync blacklist)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1012151 [15:19] voila [15:20] thanks :) [15:20] I had forgotten about it, it had been so long, lol [15:21] !info knights [15:21] knights (source: knights): chess interface for the KDE Platform. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3.2-1build1 (precise), package size 2630 kB, installed size 4012 kB [15:21] ^knights is also affected, but it's upstream is still around. there's some hope that a new version can be released [15:22] jtechidna: We could remove just the binaries for now and then wait and see. [15:37] wassup with knights? [15:39] Apparently not ported to the new kdegames lib API. [15:39] JontheEchidna: ^^^ [15:43] It still uses KGameRenderer and friends for rendering: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Games/Porting_to_libkdegames_v5#Theming_and_KGameRenderer [15:44] *still uses old KGameRenderer [15:44] and the old buildsystem bits [15:44] tsdgeos: ^^^ [15:45] ScottK: the buildsystem bits might be a problem [15:45] KGameRenderer is fine [15:46] actaully i don't know why smajesky changed the LibKDEGames.cmake to KDEGames.cmake [15:46] just breaks stuff [15:46] without really any need [15:46] but now it's too late i guess [15:46] If it's just a name change, maybe a compatibility symlink for 4.9? [15:48] jtechidna: oh it's actually xsettings-kde that sets the gtk2 and 3 theme [15:48] as well as GTK2_RC_FILES [15:49] ScottK: haven't digged much [15:49] but i don't think there's much more changes [15:49] * ScottK neither [15:51] * tsdgeos will have a look later if he remembers [16:07] :D http://bash.org/?16293 [16:10] {standard input}: Fatal error: can't write SplitElementTxn.o: No space left on device [16:10] yehaaa [19:03] umm, if I have a kde langpack installed in precise, it wants to install calligra on upgrade to quantal [19:05] language-pack-kde-xx Depends calligra-l10n-xx Recommends calligra, the langpacks should enhance calligra, not recommend it [19:05] is there an existing bug or should I file one? [19:07] is anyone planning a calligra upload soonish? [19:15] bug #1027215 [19:15] Launchpad bug 1027215 in calligra-l10n (Ubuntu Quantal) "calligra-l10n-xx should enhance, not recommend calligra" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1027215 [19:16] I'm happy to do the fix/upload as long as it's approved [19:43] Riddell: yofel_^^ [20:20] There's some magic script that possbly needs fixing too. I think apachelogger___ or yofel_ know about that. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:38] no, calligra-l10n is independent of kde-l10n and has it's own setup. Fixing that ^ would be a 2 line change in rules. [20:38] hm [20:38] spoke too soon [20:39] if it has to be "Enhances" then you'll need to add that in the control file as well [20:40] micahg: Go for it. [20:44] ScottK: ok, will do over the weekend when I have more time to test [20:44] Thanks. [21:11] ScottK: which package is the plugin factory supposed to be in? [21:11] JontheEchidna: python3-pyqt4. [21:11] I didn't do anything to make it land there though. [21:11] you mean -kde4? [21:11] yes [21:11] pykde4 [21:11] so it should be in the build dir somewhere [21:12] found it [21:12] Yes. [21:12] I know it gets built. [21:13] kcmshell4 crashes, installing debugging symbols now [21:18] hi guys, will ubuntu still be developed by the community or will be developed by the new company? [21:19] bas_brain: Di you mean Kubuntu? [21:19] Di/Did [21:20] yeah sorry [21:20] Some people who work on Kubuntu are paid for it and some aren't. That hasn't changed. Who happens to be paying people doesn't much matter. [21:20] so nothing changed, only the company who also support it. I understood [21:21] I would like to help the community, any advice? [21:22] Start doing it. [21:22] If there's something you think can be improved, improve it. [21:23] I have to go, but if you mention where you'd like to help, I'm sure someone can suggest something. [21:35] i would like to help kubuntu team [21:38] how can i join any group? [21:38] do i have to register to a admnistrator and then he will decide? [21:47] barry: Hi, I tested out the python3 plugin factory just now. [21:47] this crash occurs during plugin creation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102500/ [21:48] JontheEchidna: hmm [21:49] Fatal Python error: take_gil: NULL tstate [21:51] here's a bt full for the top part of the stacktrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102518/ [21:51] JontheEchidna: yikes. okay, that one should be easy. PyEval_InitThreads must be called *after* Py_Initialize in >= 3.2. /me updates the branch [21:53] JontheEchidna: update pushed [22:00] barry: ok, that fixed that. It now crashes the kcmshell or systemsettings when the plugin encounters a syntax error (and tries to call apport?) http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102529/ [22:01] I was using the print statement instead of the print function [22:01] that's interesting [22:03] there's a similar crash with proper syntax, too: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102536/ [22:03] probably the PyGILState_Ensure() needs to move above the PyErr_Print(). /me looks [22:07] JontheEchidna: this might fix the syntax error case, probably not the other case, but please pull the update and try again [22:08] ok [22:20] barry: I don't think it helps the syntax case [22:20] JontheEchidna: it still crashes when you have a syntax error? [22:20] yofel: calligra-l10n does the same thing no? [22:20] barry: yep [22:21] JontheEchidna: can you pastebin the backtrace? [22:21] barry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102561/ [22:21] oh, wait [22:21] the patch didn't apply properly [22:22] apachelogger___: not really, they have a small setup script, but that's only to prepare the initial mutiple-tar source. The package relationships are only defined in control and rules [22:22] ugh, I hope I don't have to do a clean rebuild. that'll take an hour or two D: [22:23] JontheEchidna: ah, no, i see where i screwed up. hang on a sec [22:23] i wonder why it doesn't apply properly. [22:23] actually it did apply properly [22:23] I'm using the Manual Patch System so that I don't have to re-build the whole thing :P [22:24] i think the quilt stack is clean tho [22:24] e.g. me manually updating the patched file after looking at the bzr diff [22:24] ah :) [22:25] then I just rm -rf builddir-3.2/kpython3pluginfactory, then debuild -us -uc -nc [22:25] saving me 2 hours compile time [22:25] ouch. [22:25] JontheEchidna: update pushed. please try again [22:26] k [22:27] JontheEchidna: i'm going to get dinner started. brb. [22:31] yofel: spooky [22:33] JontheEchidna: let me know how it goes and i'll keep checking back in [22:35] barry: no luck yet, the relevant part of the function looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102582/ [22:37] JontheEchidna: yeah, that looks right. the problem was that the gil state wasn't acquired when PyErr_Print() was called. but you're saying that with the latest pastebin, the syntax error case still crashes? if so, backtrace please. [22:39] barry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102591/ [22:40] JontheEchidna: okay, now i have no idea :/ [22:41] :( [22:41] I can throw my project up in bzr if you'd like to fiddle around with it yourself [22:41] JontheEchidna: sure. please tell me how to build and test it tho [22:41] ok [22:43] barry: lp:~echidnaman/+junk/kde-config-drivers [22:43] mkdir build; cd build; cmake ../ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr; make; sudo make install; kbuildsycoca4; kcmshell4 kde-config-drivers [22:44] JontheEchidna: on quantal right? [22:45] barry: yeah, only quantal has the python3-kde stuff [22:45] cool [23:00] JontheEchidna: i guess i'll see you in 2 hours ;) [23:01] well, my computer's a bit crap, but it's still a double-build of the package basically [23:52] JontheEchidna: something's wrong with the build system. following your commands in a quantal chroot, after doing 'cmake ...', the make command just exits immediately. afaict, CMakeFiles/Makefile2 has an empty all: target [23:52] oh, right [23:52] skip the make step, just do make install [23:52] it's interperted so there's nothing to make :P [23:54] ah, cool. well, looks like the kcmshell4 needs the x server so the chroot is unhappy ;/ [23:55] i'm going to have to install a build vm for this since i don't have a quantal machine that can handle it atm. i'll do that now but i probably won't get to the build until monday. please do ping me then. [23:55] ok [23:55] have a good weekend [23:55] thanks, you too