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bcurtiswxdupondje, i can get chat windows to come up, but it's a tad delayed00:41
bcurtiswxrobert_ancell, bug #1026629 , I believe empathy upstream made it so only their default adium theme could be used or it was the default, and we need to patch it to allow the ubuntu adium theme as default or change to theirs (which i don't think we have) not sure though00:50
ubot2Launchpad bug 1026629 in empathy "empathy-chat crashed with SIGSEGV in empathy_adium_path_is_valid()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102662900:50
bcurtiswxkenvandine, busy man today00:59
kenvandinealmost ready to call it a day :)00:59
bcurtiswxif a package was sync'd from debian, where would I get the branch from ?01:26
jbichabcurtiswx: apt-get source is one way01:28
bcurtiswxah and create a branch, jbicha thx01:29
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pittiGood morning03:22
robruhello03:22
kenvandinegood morning pitti03:23
thumperrobert_ancell: ping?04:31
robert_ancellthumper, hello04:31
thumperrobert_ancell: I'm hoping you can help, just upgraded a laptop to quantal04:31
thumperand now X won't start04:31
thumperati, and fglrx04:31
thumper:(04:32
thumpernot sure how to move forwards with it04:32
robert_ancellthumper, what does /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log say04:32
thumperwaiting for X... then Process 1157 exited with return value 104:34
thumperx crashing I think04:34
thumperI'm looking in /var/log/Xorg.0.log04:34
robert_ancellyeah it sounds like it04:35
thumperX seg fault04:35
thumperinside fglrx_drv.so04:35
thumper:(04:35
thumperrobert_ancell: how would I get it to use the other driver?04:36
thumperany ideas?04:36
robert_ancellthumper, uninstall fglrx04:36
thumperjust with apt-get remove?04:36
thumperor do I need to purge or something04:37
robert_ancellthumper, just a normal remove should do it04:38
RAOFthumper: amd64?04:38
thumperhmm it says fglrx not installed04:38
thumperRAOF: yep04:38
* thumper tries to install fglrx04:38
thumperfglrx-updates being removed04:39
* thumper crosses fingers04:39
thumperhmm... download stalled at 15%04:41
thumperjust sitting there04:41
* thumper notices04:41
thumperRAOF: actually download says i38604:41
thumperI thought it was a 64 bit install04:41
thumperbut perhaps not04:41
RAOFThere *was* a known bug with fglrx on 64bit 1.12 xservers (like those found in, say, Quantal)04:42
RAOFWhere it would segv rather than run.04:42
thumperRAOF: but it was fixed?04:42
RAOFI'm not sure what the status of that is; it was an fglrx bug, so I've got limited visibility.04:42
* thumper wonders if the kids are hogging the bandwidth, download keeps stalling04:42
robert_ancellRAOF, btw, do you have any missing icons in unity? I was wondering if it's the PPA that's done it for me05:00
robert_ancellthumper, I take it my missing icon problem is not widespread..05:01
thumperrobert_ancell: I can't get X running yet, let alone unity05:01
thumperrobert_ancell: at 77% download for fglrx05:01
thumperseems to be crawling for me, no idea why05:02
robert_ancellthumper, I figured you'd have heard if it was so05:02
thumperother connections seem fine05:02
thumperwhich icons are you missing?05:02
robert_ancellthumper, panel and alt-tab, everything else works fine05:02
robert_ancellcan't see anything in particular in .xsession-errors05:03
thumperwhat do you man missing icons in alt-tab?05:03
robert_ancellsince that update the other day. Was is 6.0?05:03
thumperyeah05:03
thumperhave you restarted?05:03
thumperthe icons were moved from .../5/..05:03
robert_ancellyes05:03
thumperto ../6/...05:03
thumperhmm05:04
thumperthomi didn't report anything like that for his update05:04
thumperother issues, yes, but not that05:04
thomi...having said that, I can't actually see my alt-tab window right now, so for all I know the icons might be missing05:05
robert_ancellthumper, /watch?v=QbjAjmssAdw&feature=p­layer_embedded05:06
robert_ancellhttp://ubuntuone.com/3pJh53lESd53tF7zYpsNuK05:06
robert_ancellI mean05:06
robert_ancellsame thing for alt tab, i.e can still see the text but no icons/previews05:06
thumperrobert_ancell: haha, that is freaky weird05:06
thumperrobert_ancell: but I think I know why...05:07
robert_ancellso it's sufficiently usable for me not to spend too much time tracking it down :)05:07
thumperrobert_ancell: it is bamf not matching the desktop filea05:07
thumperand returning nothing05:07
thumperwe just landed a branch that will make them '?' icons05:07
robert_ancellah05:07
thumperbut we should fix the matching05:07
thumpernot sure why your matching is failing though05:07
robert_ancellso they work fine in the dash, but do they come from apt/zeitgeist?05:08
RAOFrobert_ancell: Yeah, it's the mesa in the PPA.05:09
didrocksgood morning05:10
RAOFrobert_ancell, thumper: Apparently if you apitrace it you find that unity is receiving (and ignoring) a bunch of glErrors from the uniform code.05:11
didrocksRAOF: you are speaking about the invisible icons in the launcher using the compositor ppa?05:12
RAOFdidrocks: Yup.05:13
didrocksnice! When I first saw that on the french forum, I was scared as we just released a new version and they weren't clear they were using this ppa :)05:13
thumperwhich compositor ppa?05:14
thumperwhich uniform code?05:14
thumperX still isn't starting... :(05:14
* thumper removes fglrx05:15
RAOFhttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52140 is the mesa bug.05:15
ubot2Freedesktop bug 52140 in Mesa core "Ubuntu Unity - Launcher and switcher icons disappeared" [Normal,New: ]05:15
RAOFthumper: ppa:ubuntu-desktop/system-compositor05:15
thumperRAOF: is this on top of wayland?05:16
thumperdidrocks: the fglrx driver is crashing X on my quantal install05:17
RAOFNo (although it also appears there, but there's actually no difference in the unity rendering path X vs X-on-wayland); this is either (a) unity doing something technically incorrect which mesa's now strict about or (b) core mesa breakage.05:17
thumperI'd go probably for (a)05:17
thumperalthough (b) is a possibility :)05:17
thumperso... I have X now...05:19
thumperkinda05:19
RAOFxorg.0.log?05:19
thumperRAOF: well, it is there, but dropped me into 2d05:24
thumperjust took ages05:25
thumperI'm used to my SSD05:25
RAOFAh.05:25
RAOFThis suggests that you've broken 3d in some fashion. The packages *shouldn't* let that happen...05:25
RAOF...but if everything that shouldn't happen didn't happen I'd be more interestingly busy. :)05:26
RAOFYou haven't done anything that's likely to make me want to shout at you, like trying to manually install the fglrx drivers from amd's website, have you? ☺05:28
thumperno, just using quantals05:38
* dupondje hopes empathy gets fixed asap :)05:44
seb128hello desktopers, happy friday!08:00
didrockshappy friday to you too seb128!08:01
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chrisccoulsonhey seb128, happy friday to you too!08:24
seb128chrisccoulson, hey, happy friday! how are you?08:24
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, good thanks. still quite tired though. how are you?08:24
didrockshey hey chrisccoulson, achieving getting some sleep? :)08:24
chrisccoulsondidrocks, oh, i'm getting hardly any sleep at all now ;)08:24
didrockshehe, that was what I reckoned! :)08:25
seb128chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks08:25
seb128Sweetshark, libreoffice didn't like arm*, failed to build there08:39
dupondjewasn't there a thing to report launchpad bugs upstream automaticly ?08:48
dupondjeI remember like something :)08:49
seb128dupondje, no, launchpad can sync status and datas from upstream bugs though08:56
seb128dupondje, we never went the other way around to not "spam" upstream bug trackers08:56
dupondjeseb128:  ok :)08:56
dupondjewell not automaticly, but maby with some report-upstream.sh :)08:56
dupondjeanyway did it manually now08:57
dupondjebtw, the fact that Empathy has no menu bar is already on the radar?08:57
dupondjecause its quite annoying :)08:57
seb128dunno, I'm not using quantal yet, that would be a question for ken when he's online09:04
mlankhorsthappy bday seb128 :)09:05
mlankhorstfday*09:05
mlankhorstevil keyboard09:05
seb128lol09:05
seb128I was going to say :p09:05
seb128mlankhorst, happy friday! ;-)09:06
mlankhorstfriday's are better anyhow :D09:06
pittiah, finally this channel becomes alive :)09:07
mlankhorstsadly so09:08
dupondjei'll stalk ken when he's online then :)09:10
dupondjeEmpathy seems to be a thing that breaks on every update :(09:11
dupondjebtw, do we have some specific changes to gnome3 that could explain the menubar is gone in Empathy? Or 99% sure an upstream bug?09:15
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tkamppeterpitti, hi09:21
pittihey tkamppeter09:23
Sweetsharkmoin!09:26
tkamppeterpitti, I have something ver strange: Gutenprint package updates PPD via CUPS trigger, I have 6 queues, all 6 updates confimed by "PPD of XXX updated", but first two queues have still old PPD. Looks like that the trigger is executed while the files of the printer-driver-gutenprint package are still copied and so the replacement of the /usr/lib/cups/driver/gutenprint.5.2 happens only after updating the PPD for the second and before upda09:26
tkamppeterting the PPD for the third queue. Is this possible?09:26
Sweetsharkseb128: yes, I see it. it segfaults in collecting the help pages. that help page seems to be huge. temporary disabling help on arm could help.09:28
pittitkamppeter: hm, as far as I know, triggers happen after unpack; they may happen before configuring, though; would that make a difference?09:28
Sweetsharkseb128: we are building the help packages on i386 anyway, but I dont know if LO picks them up if I disable help on arm.09:28
pittitkamppeter: i. e. does gutenprint's postinst configure do something to the PPD files?09:29
Sweetsharkseb128: Id suggest the following: I disable help on armel,armhf now and we upload that to -proposed as it might give us a package at least. in the meantime i am looking at this and possible further issues on a porterbox.09:30
seb128Sweetshark, that seems fine09:31
seb128Sweetshark, I'm out for lunch outside and some errands but I will catch up with the backlog and sponsor when I'm back09:32
dupondjebcurtiswx: there?09:39
dupondjeor somebody else with crashing empathy-chat and quantal :)09:41
tkamppeterpitti, looked into the built maintainer scripts /var/lib/dpkg/info/*guten*.postinst and none shows anything influencing the PPDs.09:46
tkamppeterpitti, I also have seen in terminal output that the "unpacking" message is before the message for the CUPS triggers. Does the dpkg installation process parallelize like "make" or is always happening one step after the other?09:58
pittitkamppeter: it shouldn't parallelize unpack with triggers; in fact, there are never multiple dpkg steps being executed at the same time09:58
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bcurtiswxdupondje, im here12:16
dupondjebcurtiswx: saw the comments on the empathy bug?12:23
dupondjeseems to be packaging issue :)12:23
bcurtiswxdupondje, yes i saw12:24
dupondjeyou'll fix or ? :)12:25
bcurtiswxi want to12:25
didrocksbcurtiswx: some files are not shipped for the theme12:25
didrocksbcurtiswx: the empathy packaging should really use dh_install --fail-missing :)12:25
bcurtiswxso i'll need to add deps on the new adium theme12:26
dupondjewould be cool if I could chat again this evening ^^:D12:26
didrocksbcurtiswx: so, got some confirmation: the built-in adium theme in empathy is used as a fallback when you have no theme shipping the necessary widgets12:36
didrocksbcurtiswx: so you need to put it in the -common package I guess (and please add --fail-missing to debian/rules) :)12:36
* desrt got an email about fresh dconf crashes12:44
didrocksdesrt: happy Friday \o/12:45
bcurtiswxdidrocks: so i should add /usr/share/adium to empathy-common.install ?12:45
desrtdidrocks: happy friday12:45
didrocksbcurtiswx: yeah, I just talked to upstream, how big it is?12:45
desrtis there a way i can query launchpad for fresh bugs with stack traces containing certain symbols showing up?12:46
* desrt has a very low quality stacktrace and wants to look for better ones12:47
didrocksdesrt: do you have any dup to that one?12:48
desrtsomeone emailed me a stack trace12:48
didrocksdesrt: because if you keep it and apport detects a dup, it will remove the stacktrace while dupping12:48
desrtthat's where i'm starting from :)12:48
didrocksah :)12:48
didrocksdesrt: recent crash on d-conf:12:50
didrockshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/d-conf/+bugs?field.searchtext=SIGSEGV&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch12:50
didrocks=&field.has_no_package=12:50
desrtnope12:50
didrockswell, seems you will have to invent the stacktrace content then :)12:51
desrtya12:51
desrti'm working on that12:51
* desrt has found some hints12:51
desrtthe dconf debug symbols are not installed, but the glib ones are12:51
desrtso there is some help12:51
didrockswell, not a nice game though :/12:53
desrtthomi: ping12:53
desrtthomi: i guess this is your stack trace, actually :)12:53
didrocksis he using ubuntu? like having the .crash file12:53
desrtthomi: thumper forwarded it to me12:53
didrocksyou can retrace on your system then ;)12:53
desrtif i was running quantal :)12:54
* desrt really doesn't like the look of this bug....12:54
bcurtiswxis there a good online resource for understanding debian/rules in depth12:58
bcurtiswxi can't find one12:59
dupondjegoogle debhelper :)13:00
didrocksbcurtiswx: you want to know about --fail-missing right?13:01
bcurtiswxdidrocks, yes I'm trying to learn w/o bothering13:01
didrocksbcurtiswx: no worry! so man dh_install first ;)13:02
* didrocks looks if the package is using cdbs or debhelper13:02
didrocksok, cdbs, I don't have an example of hand, let me look13:02
didrocksah, in fact, you already have list-missing13:02
didrockscommon-binary-post-install-arch:: list-missing13:03
didrocksreplace that by fail-missing13:03
didrocksthen, build the package (without any modif)13:03
didrocksand you should see the build failing13:03
bcurtiswxdidrocks, yes I see that, but I want to know how I'm supposed to know that I was supposed to do that13:03
didrocksbcurtiswx: for cdbs, it's quire tricky, I usually read the cdbs source13:03
didrocksso, what's in /usr/share/cdbs/1/13:04
didrocksfor packages using debhelper, man debhelper13:04
didrocksfor having an overwrite of debhelper 7/8/9: http://joeyh.name/blog/entry/debhelper_dh_overrides/ (and man dh)13:04
didrocksoverview*13:05
dobeyanyone know anything about the new e-d-s?13:06
dupondjekenvandine: you know about the issue that empathy has no menu in gnome3?13:06
* dobey loves it when things break api13:06
kenvandinedupondje, no...13:06
dupondjeyou can simulate it or?13:07
kenvandinei don't have gnome-shell installed atm13:07
dupondjeoh ok13:07
didrocksdobey: cyphermox maybe can help you13:07
kenvandinedupondje, i know it has the single appmenu thing now13:08
kenvandinebut haven't tried in shell13:08
kenvandineit works in untiy13:08
kenvandine3.5.4 does seem buggy though13:08
didrockskenvandine: ah, FYI, I'm asking bcurtiswx to ship the missing theme in the -common package as it's breaking empathy and also changing list-missing by fail-missing13:09
kenvandineah, cool!13:09
dupondjehmz :) seems like you need to open it another way: http://www.linuxidc.com/upload/2012_07/12071410368377.png13:09
dupondjedamn thats hidden :s13:10
dupondje:)13:10
bcurtiswxdidrocks, make: *** No rule to make target `fail-missing', needed by `common-binary-post-install-arch'.  Stop.13:10
kenvandinedupondje, ah... yes that is the new way :)13:12
dupondjeif you never used it, you really can search hours for that imo :p13:12
didrocksbcurtiswx: ah, I thought fail-missing had a target like list-missing13:13
didrocksbcurtiswx: so looking at the source, you should remove that line and do:13:13
didrocksDEB_DH_INSTALL_ARGS := list-missing13:13
bcurtiswxyou mean fail-missing?13:13
didrockssee /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk13:13
didrocksoupss yeah :)13:13
didrocksDEB_DH_INSTALL_ARGS := --fail-missing13:14
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bcurtiswxdidrocks, im guessing (like it was with bug control for me) that you can't really learn these things on your own.. It just takes asking millions of questions as you package to learn13:19
didrocksbcurtiswx: you can ask or grep the code, I did the second on that case :)13:20
didrocks(googling, saw that there was no really killer documentation on cdbs and so, back to the makefiles of cdbs)13:20
didrocksit's not that complicated13:20
didrocksjust takes time…13:20
didrocksasking is good as well :)13:21
dupondjefeel free to make documentation ;)13:21
didrockswell, cdbs is more or less dead by now :)13:22
didrocksso maybe doesn't worth it13:22
bcurtiswxi really struggle trying to make connections from A) Oh there's an issue to B) I don't know what to do to C) Where do I look to find out what to do.. there isn't many things that can get me to C.. which is probably why i'll have to ask13:23
didrocksbcurtiswx: this is called experience I guess :)13:23
didrocksand maybe why you are not fully ready yet to have upload privileges, but that will come!13:23
bcurtiswxdidrocks, thats my original point. It's gonna take repetition and asking lots of questions13:23
bcurtiswxdidrocks, that is the reason, there's no doubt. ;)13:24
didrocksbcurtiswx: btw, I made some years ago my own cheat page, if that can help you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DidierRoche/MOTU/memorandum13:24
jbichabcurtiswx: asking questions is fine :)13:28
bcurtiswxdidrocks, thanks13:28
bcurtiswxdidrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1101797/13:29
bcurtiswxdidrocks, so i see these errors, what should be my first thought13:29
didrocksbcurtiswx: so, if the package was compiling successfully with dh_install --fail-missing before (not the case here), it means that upstream added in the new release (or that you added a configure option) new files that are installed for them13:30
didrocksbcurtiswx: the error here is "those are the files that upstream installs and you didn't ship them in any package"13:31
didrocksand indeed, you can see in that case that everything in usr/share/adium/message-styles is not shipped13:31
didrocksso, you need to assess if it worths shipping them13:31
didrocksasking upstream if necessary13:31
didrocksand ship them in an existing package or a new one13:32
didrocksin that case, those are theme files and we  know we should ship them by default13:32
didrocks(see previous conversation)13:32
didrocksas the theme files are not architecture specific, it's best to get them built in a arch:all package (I hope this notion is known?)13:32
didrocksthe empathy-common package seems to be the right spot :)13:33
didrocksnow comes the 4 first ones13:33
didrocksmost of the time, we don't ship static library nor .la files in ubuntu13:33
didrocksso we need to make dh_install --fail-missing happy and not crying because of those13:33
didrocksright?13:33
bcurtiswxdidrocks, yup13:33
didrockswhat I generally do, just before the dh_install --fail-missing call, I rm -f them in debian/tmp13:34
didrocksthen dh_install --fail-missing is run and find nothing in debian/tmp that is in any package13:34
didrockswith debhelper, this is easy to do13:35
didrocksi don't remember the right target for cdbs, let me check that :)13:35
* didrocks look for install in /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk13:35
bcurtiswxdeb_dh_always_exclude?13:37
didrocksbcurtiswx: I think that won't work, we really need to find a makefile target to remove the files13:38
didrockslet me build to confirm :)13:40
bcurtiswxdidrocks, what are you testing?13:40
dupondjeyou can rm them in debian/rules also ?13:42
didrocksdupondje: isn't what I said? :)13:43
didrocksbcurtiswx: hum, I can't build the package, seems egg-list-box is missing13:43
didrockseven if I apt-get build-dep empathy13:43
bcurtiswxi build fine13:43
kenvandinedidrocks, valac13:44
didrocksoh13:44
kenvandineyour default valac needs to be 1813:44
didrocksyeah, my default isn't the right one :)13:44
didrocksok, thanks kenvandine!13:44
kenvandinethat is a missleading error :)13:44
didrockswe should really have an autotool check the current valac --version13:45
didrocksnot that it's juts installed or not :)13:45
kenvandineindeed13:45
* didrocks turns 0.18 then13:45
bcurtiswxshouldn't the control file take care of that?13:45
didrocksbcurtiswx: no, it's juts ensuring that you have valac 0.18 installed13:45
didrocksnot that it's your current valac13:46
didrocksvalac can be installed in parallel and either is 0.14, 0.16 or 0.18 in quantal for instance13:46
didrocks(you can see that with valac --version)13:46
bcurtiswxok13:46
didrocksthis is because valac is an alternative, look at man update-alternatives13:46
Sweetsharkseb128: 3.6.0~rc2-0ubuntu3 for -proposed on chinstrap13:48
bcurtiswxso you have /etc/alternative/valac set to 0.16 or something other than 0.18 ?13:50
bcurtiswxdidrocks, ^^13:51
didrocksbcurtiswx: yeah, I had 0.14 for the unity lenses13:51
didrocksand I set it up to 0.1813:51
didrocksbcurtiswx: ok, I think the only way to do that with cdbs is something I don't really like13:58
didrocksmeaning installing the .*a to the package and remove them13:59
didrocks(that's the only part I see, even in the official documentation: http://build-common.alioth.debian.org/cdbs-doc.html)13:59
bcurtiswxdidrocks, so we have to do it this way or are we going another route?14:00
didrocksbcurtiswx: no, doing this I guess14:01
bcurtiswxdidrocks, OK so what needs to be done next?14:02
didrocksbcurtiswx: I can show you in the branch, do you have your pending work anywhere?14:02
didrocks(confirmed it works)14:05
bcurtiswxpushing to lp:~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/quantal/empathy/3.5.4-0ubuntu214:05
* didrocks grabs14:06
* bcurtiswx thinks didrocks has a slow internet connection :P14:22
didrocksbcurtiswx: no, I just changed my mind about the approach to take, building it :)14:22
bcurtiswxdon't screw up the approach, im gonna be doing it this way from now on :P14:23
didrocksand done! :)14:23
didrocksbcurtiswx: well, I hope you will have some debhelper packages later on :)14:23
didrocksit's way less cryptic than cdbs14:23
didrocks(IMHO)14:24
bcurtiswxdidrocks, i'm assigned to two packages so I imagine i'll find one :)14:24
didrocksbcurtiswx: have a look: lp:~didrocks/empathy/3.5.4-0ubuntu214:24
didrocksso I added to empathy-common the theme14:24
didrocksI told "install the .la, .a" in the .install files14:24
bcurtiswxdidrocks, how did you know to add it to empathy-common?14:25
didrocksand then, I remove them post-binary installation in the package14:25
didrocksoupss14:25
didrocksone sec, need to change something14:25
didrocksbcurtiswx: see above14:25
didrocks15:32:17      didrocks | in that case, those are theme files and we  know we should ship them by default14:25
didrocks15:32:26      didrocks | (see previous conversation)14:25
didrocks15:32:51      didrocks | as the theme files are not architecture specific, it's best to get them built in a arch:all package (I hope this notion is known?)14:25
didrocks15:33:06      didrocks | the empathy-common package seems to be the right spot :)14:25
jbichaalmost all the gnome stuff uses cdbs so you'll have to be at least familiar with it14:27
didrocksthat's seb128's fault14:27
jbichalol, is it?14:27
didrockshe should have used doctor's who box and go to the future :)14:27
didrocksjbicha: look at debian/copyright on most of gnome (starting from gnome 2) packages :)14:28
didrocksbcurtiswx: see my last commit, is that all right with you?14:32
seb128heh14:32
bcurtiswxthe install.* in rules14:33
bcurtiswxis there doc that says do that somewhere?14:33
bcurtiswxinstall/*14:33
didrocksbcurtiswx: well, I used the documentation pointed above (http://build-common.alioth.debian.org/cdbs-doc.html), but I never find it quite clear enough to me14:34
bcurtiswxdidrocks, ah i see it, thx14:34
didrocksyw :)14:35
bcurtiswxdidrocks, im good with that please do build it :)14:35
bcurtiswxbut14:35
bcurtiswxactually14:35
didrocksyeah?14:35
bcurtiswxdidrocks, add bug #1026629 as it will be fixed by this update i believe14:36
ubot2Launchpad bug 1026629 in empathy "empathy-chat crashed with SIGSEGV in empathy_adium_path_is_valid()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102662914:36
didrocksbcurtiswx: indeed, doing that14:38
didrocksdo you think bug #1026081 is linked?14:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 1026081 in empathy "empathy finds no accounts and contatcs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102608114:38
didrocksor the error is separate from the theme not showing them?14:38
bcurtiswxi don't understand the SS, but we'll dup it and see14:39
didrocksok14:40
didrocksuploading then :)14:40
bcurtiswxdidrocks, thanks for your help14:41
didrocksbcurtiswx: you're really welcome :)14:41
bcurtiswxhmmm14:51
bcurtiswxdidrocks, have you tested the built empathy?14:57
didrocksbcurtiswx: I installed it and run it, why?14:58
bcurtiswxi got depracation warnings on install.. and i still can't see my contacts from google-talk14:58
didrocksI just have some google account and couldn't reach it before, so I'm not really online14:59
didrocksbcurtiswx: was already the case with 3.5.4-0ubuntu114:59
Sweetsharkseb128: ping?14:59
bcurtiswxdidrocks, i figured it was a theme issue, but it did do that in 3.5.4-0ubuntu114:59
didrocksbcurtiswx: what do you mean by "it did do that", so the gmail failure is not only theme, right?15:00
didrocksthe theme issue is about empathy crashing AFAIK15:00
bcurtiswxdidrocks, haha, i think it is fixed and i somehow wasn't running the new empathy even after dpkg -i them15:00
didrocksor maybe our theme doesn't really the new empathy, dunno15:00
seb128Sweetshark, hey15:00
seb128Sweetshark, I'm about to sponsor your update15:01
didrocksbcurtiswx: ah, same for me15:01
didrocksbcurtiswx: yeah, let's try to kill it15:01
didrocksand run it again15:01
didrocksgot trapped by that, I don't really know empathy15:01
seb128mterry, howdy, how are you?15:01
mterryseb128, hello, good15:01
bcurtiswxdidrocks, i think you have to kill quite a few things15:01
Sweetsharkseb128: kk, no hurry. I just wanted to know if you might have missed it ;)15:01
bcurtiswxtelepathy-*, empathy, MC515:02
Sweetsharkseb128: guess not ;)15:02
seb128mterry, question for you, you did the accountsservice patch for the hasmessage stuff right?15:02
bcurtiswxdupondje, hopefully empathy will be ready in a little bit :)15:02
mterryseb128, yeah15:02
didrocksbcurtiswx: can you try that and let me know (or better, check with ken who is more knowledgeable on empathy than I)15:03
seb128mterry, was the "X" standing for something in XHasMessage?15:03
seb128mterry, is that like X-Vendor-Key to say it's non official or something?15:03
bcurtiswxkenvandine, what needs to be killed when trying to restart empathy? telepathy-*, MC5, empathy , anything else?15:05
kenvandinesometimes empathy-chat and empathy-call15:05
mterryseb128, supposed to be like X-Vendor-Key, but can't use dashes with some of the dbus-code-generation helper scripts15:05
seb128mterry, ok, thanks, gdbus-codegen makes XHasMessages a "xhas-messages" property15:06
seb128mterry, which is incompatible with the old x-has-message15:06
seb128mterry, (code being ported to gdbus)15:06
mterryseb128, huh.  hm15:07
seb128mterry, I was trying to determine what to do ... nothing out of accountsservice relies on the gobject property right, renaming it xhas-messages doesn't matter?15:07
seb128mterry, they all use the dbus one?15:07
mterryseb128, oh yeah, that's likely true.  Let me do a quick grep in lightdm15:07
dupondjebcurtiswx: sweet! thanks for the work15:07
bcurtiswxhmm, i'll wait until empathy is built and installed15:07
seb128mterry, other option is to add an another to the xml to say force the property name to be x-has-messages (you can do that)15:08
bcurtiswxdupondje, thank didrocks he did all of it :) i was just there for the learning15:08
seb128mterry, I would just like to avoid adding hacks when not needed15:08
didrocksbcurtiswx: I tried to kill some of the things, but it crashes on startup here, seems to have some Camel issue, so better for kenvandine and you to look at it :)15:08
didrocksif it confirms :)15:08
bcurtiswxit doesn't crash here, i just get tp_connection_upgrade_contacts fail15:09
mterryseb128, yah, lightdm only uses dbus, and I bet the same is true for control-center15:09
cyphermoxjbicha: ping?15:09
jbichacyphermox: good morning!15:09
didrocksbcurtiswx: try a guest session maybe?15:09
cyphermoxhey, good morning :)15:09
cyphermoxI wish it was a better one, I'm still sick and feeling like crap15:10
mterryerr, not gnome-control-center15:10
cyphermoxjbicha: do you use VPNs much, with gnome-shell?15:10
jbichano, I don't have any VPNs15:10
cyphermoxah, alright15:10
mterryseb128, yup, indicator-messages also directly uses dbus.  no reason for hacks then, the property can change names15:11
seb128mterry, excellent, thanks for confirming15:11
bcurtiswxdidrocks, same issue there.15:11
didrocksbcurtiswx: you should really check with ken then. I even don't know which components are involved15:17
bcurtiswxken is busy with packaging things for quantal for the webapps15:17
bcurtiswxi'll grab him later i guess15:17
desrtcan someone upload a dconf package with a few patches?15:18
didrocksyeah, he sponsors, he fixes :)15:18
didrocksdesrt: friday evening? ;)15:18
desrthmm15:18
desrtgood point :)15:18
seb128bcurtiswx, didrocks: if you have a stacktrace maybe ask about it on #empathy or #telepathy15:21
desrti think i nailed that issue with the bad stacktrace15:22
desrtapparently it was discovered by something called autopilot15:22
desrtthat seems like something that should be automatically filing launchpad bugs?15:22
seb128desrt, you mean? what bad stacktrace,15:24
desrtseb128: i had a crappy stacktrace in my inbox this morning from tim15:24
desrti was trying to find a way to ask launchpad for similar traces (possibly with retracing)15:24
seb128ah15:27
bcurtiswxhow can you get a stacktrace without a crash?15:29
desrtpet peeve: when you call some business or government office and have to sit through 100 recorded messages telling you "did you know that you didn't really want to call us you didn't really have to call us?"15:29
desrtbcurtiswx: attach gdb to the running program15:29
desrtgdb /usr/bin/whatever <pid>15:30
desrtthat'll probably require root on a modern ubuntu system....15:30
bcurtiswxi run gdb /usr/bin/empathy then 'run' and i have to kill it before i can strace?15:30
desrtno.15:31
desrtwait... strace?15:31
desrtyou can also attach strace to a running program with strace -p pid15:31
desrtagain, needing root15:31
bcurtiswxstacktrace15:31
desrtstrace = system call trace :)15:31
desrtyou can just say 'bt' in gdb15:32
bcurtiswxbacktrace == stacktrace ?15:32
desrtyes15:32
desrtif you run a program under gdb you can suspend it at any point with ^C15:33
desrtand resume with gdb command 'c'15:33
desrtso just run it... then ^C at whatever point15:33
desrtthen 'bt'15:33
desrti assume you are trying to find a backtrace at the point of a UI freeze?15:33
seb128Sweetshark, still there?15:53
Sweetsharkyep15:57
Sweetsharkseb128: yep15:57
seb128Sweetshark, your chinstrap files a -sa, i.e include orig tarball for upload15:57
seb128ups, a->are15:57
Sweetsharkseb128: ah, meh. missed the checkbox in my jenkins15:59
Sweetsharkseb128: should I fix it? Ill have a new upload in 5 minutes.15:59
seb128Sweetshark, yes please, thanks15:59
seb128bcurtiswx, did you manage to get a stacktrace? did you ask on #empathy?16:15
bcurtiswxseb128, yes and yes16:16
seb128bcurtiswx, is it getting anywhere? can I help you?16:17
bcurtiswxseb128, it is not getting anywhere, i'm trying to code dive, i should get kenvandine involved he knows a lot more than myself16:17
bcurtiswxseb128, kenvandine here a pastebin of a stacktrace http://paste.ubuntu.com/110199016:18
seb128bcurtiswx, you go no help,reply from the empathy guys?16:18
bcurtiswxseb128, no reply16:18
seb128bcurtiswx, that's not a segfault ... you said it's hanging?16:20
bcurtiswxseb128, i asked in both channels, i didn't ping anyone in #empathy and pinged smcv in #telepathy no reply16:20
seb128bcurtiswx, what's happening exactly when doing what?16:20
bcurtiswxseb128, the contacts are not showing for google-talk16:20
bcurtiswxbut they work with facebook16:20
bcurtiswxwhich are both -gabble16:20
bcurtiswxthat error you see is what comes up16:21
seb128xclaesse, ^ do you know if that's a known issue?16:21
seb128Sweetshark, getting it ready?16:23
Sweetsharkseb128: its there now16:25
seb128Sweetshark, thanks16:25
bcurtiswxbzr bd-do says it only works for merge mode packages.  I branched a package, did a merge-upstream and i figured I could do a bzr bd-do16:32
bcurtiswxwhat am I doing wrong?16:32
seb128bcurtiswx, bzr bd-do only works for debian-dir only vcs-es16:33
seb128bcurtiswx, why would you need that in a full source tree?16:33
seb128you can directly use bzr and quilt in the directory16:33
seb128without doing bzr bd-do16:33
bcurtiswxah ha, nvm16:33
* bcurtiswx hides16:33
seb128;-)16:33
* didrocks waves good evening and good week-end!16:44
bcurtiswxim getting debian/rules some of the includes are not found ("no such file or directory"), is it as simple as they don't exist because they're not needed?16:44
bcurtiswx/usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/uploaders.mk for example16:46
bcurtiswxwas gnome-pkg-tools renamed?16:46
bcurtiswxwait, i need it installed first16:47
bcurtiswxnew machine, i forget to build-dep things :-)16:48
seb128bcurtiswx, yeah, that would be weird16:50
bcurtiswxseb128, is there another place to check for dep bumps other than a NEWS file ?17:02
seb128bcurtiswx, usually diffing the configure.ac or configure.in from both versions17:05
bcurtiswxseb128, thx17:05
kenvandinebcurtiswx, the only thing i trust is diffing the configure.ac17:05
* Sweetshark finds the LibreOffice4 thread on the dev-list. fun indeed.17:11
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bcurtiswxseb128, dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: Can't extract name and version from library name `libgvfscommon.so' soname bump time?17:44
bcurtiswxanyone?17:49
seb128bcurtiswx, no, just ignore it, that one is a "private lib" to be used by gvfs components only, the warning was probably already there on the current version17:49
bcurtiswxdpkg-shlibdeps: warning: debian/gvfs-daemons/usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd contains an unresolvable reference to symbol g_mount_source_show_unmount_progress: it's probably a plugin17:50
bcurtiswxignore as well?17:51
seb128bcurtiswx, yes, you can probably ignore all the unresolved symbol warnings on that one17:53
bcurtiswxseb128, feel like sponsoring? https://code.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/quantal/gvfs/1.13.3-0ubuntu1/+merge/11604618:01
dobeymterry: http://askubuntu.com/questions/166028/moving-deja-dup-backups-from-dropbox-to-ubuntu-one18:09
mterrydobey, I'm not actually sure.  I think another user did something similar and wrote about it.  I think you do have to adjust something.  /me looks18:10
dobeyi wonder why apt-get update seems to be so horribly slow on my machine now :(18:11
bcurtiswxdobey, not just you18:19
dobeywell, it's just the "Reading packages" part18:23
dobeyand this is still 12.0418:23
dobeyon my laptop it's fast though, and that's on 12.1018:24
seb128bcurtiswx, hey18:43
bcurtiswxseb128, hi18:44
seb128bcurtiswx, I will have a look but not tonight, it's 9pm on a friday night here18:44
bcurtiswxseb128, sure. I understand18:44
dobeyseb128: why are you on irc? :)18:45
bcurtiswxseb128, grab a beer (or like 6) and watch some television18:45
seb128dobey, because I pinged the SRU guys about the unity SRU before going for dinner and didn't want to miss their reply,questions if there were any ;-)18:46
seb128bcurtiswx, sounds like a plan!18:46
dobeyheh18:46
seb128bcurtiswx, looking through your changelog entry, did you run dh_install --list-missing in the build dir after build?18:46
bcurtiswxseb128, no18:46
seb128bcurtiswx, I didn't check so I could be wrong but they added a backend for recentlyused files and I think a .install will need to be updates to include it18:47
bcurtiswxseb128, looking now. thx18:47
seb128bcurtiswx, try the dh_install trick, it will tell you what stuff are installed by make install and not shipped in any binary package18:47
bcurtiswxhow do i preserve build-dir in pbuilder?18:47
seb128bcurtiswx, you don't, I would recommend not using pbuilder for work18:47
seb128bcurtiswx, usually you want to do your update and once you are done to a pass through pbuilder for checks18:48
bcurtiswxseb128, darn, my desktop(precise) does like 10 times faster in building then my laptop(quantal)18:48
seb128bcurtiswx, oh, so how I do that is: pbuilding login18:48
seb128you get in the pbuilder18:48
seb128then you can apt-get build-dep and build like you would normally do18:49
seb128pbuilder login --save-after-login18:49
seb128edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to enable the deb-src18:49
seb128then install maybe devscripts and your prefered editor and exit 018:49
seb128so your pbuilder "base" has those and you don't need to enable them everytime18:50
seb128it makes things easier18:50
bcurtiswxi can stick with the laptop, it's only semi-painful :P18:50
bcurtiswxso after a bd how do i stay in build-dir ?18:50
bcurtiswxbzr bd*18:50
bcurtiswx--dont-purge looks like what i want18:52
seb128bcurtiswx, bzr bd doesn't purge18:55
seb128bcurtiswx, if it's debian dir only, cd ../build-area/source-version18:55
bcurtiswxi wonder why it's not doing --list-missing or --fail-missing on build19:02
bcurtiswxkenvandine, do we ship .h files? (all i know is not .la or .a files)19:04
seb128bcurtiswx, we do yes19:05
kenvandinein devel packages19:05
cyphermoxwow, there's goign to be a documentary on TV here about people trafficking pangolins19:22
cyphermoxI had no idea Ubuntu was this popular ;)19:22
bcurtiswxkenvandine, theres a while entire blob of usr/share/man/man1/gvfs* since thats not arch specific im guessing arch:all would be best (gvfs-common)19:26
dobeyit's also weird that html5 video and flash seem to now require the entire video to download before being able to play smoothly19:35

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