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* skaet waves14:58
roadmrhello!14:58
* stgraber waves14:58
tumbleweedhi14:59
arosaleshello14:59
skaethiya roadmr, stgraber, tumbleweed, arosales :)14:59
vanhoofhi :)14:59
ogra_moo14:59
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skaetlooks like quorum,  :)15:00
skaet#startmeeting15:00
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skaetAgenda (and minute location):15:01
skaethttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-07-2015:01
skaet.15:01
skaetUpcoming dates:15:01
skaet12.1015:01
skaet    2012/07/23: Quantal Alpha 3 image candidates start  (slangasek, laney, skaet - contact points)15:01
skaet    2012/07/26: Quantal Alpha 315:01
skaet    2012/08/23: Quantal Feature Freeze15:01
skaet12.04.115:01
skaet    2012/08/02: DesktopInfrastructureFreeze15:01
skaet    2012/08/09: KernelFreeze, LanguageTranslationDeadline, SRU Fix Validation Testing15:01
skaet    2012/08/16: FinalFreeze, ReleaseNoteFreeze15:01
skaet    2012/08/23: Ubuntu 12.04.115:01
skaet.15:01
skaetWork Items:15:01
skaet2012/07/20 -  2966  (was 3041 last week):  Thanks for the cleanup!  :)    We’re still a little high, but looking better now.   Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks.15:01
skaetBugs:15:01
skaetQuantal: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html15:01
skaet12.04.1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=4992615:01
skaet.15:01
skaetPendinging Action Items:15:01
skaetNone15:01
skaet.15:01
skaetWeekly Status Received:15:01
skaethttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001578.html - HW Cert - brendand15:01
skaethttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001579.html - Security - mdeslaur15:02
skaethttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001580.html - Kernel - ogasawara15:02
skaethttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001583.html - Desktop - seb12815:02
skaethttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001584.html - Lubuntu - gilir15:02
skaethttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001585.html - Edubuntu - stgraber15:02
skaethttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001587.html - Linaro - rsalveti15:02
skaethttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001588.html - Server - arosales15:02
skaethttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001589.html - Xubuntu - astraljava15:02
skaethttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001590.html - Kubuntu - Riddell15:02
skaethttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001591.html - Foundations - ogra_15:02
skaethttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001592.html - Ubuntu One - joshuahoover15:02
skaethttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001593.html - QA - jibel15:02
skaethttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001594.html - Unity - popey15:02
skaet..15:02
skaet#topic Questions and Comments15:02
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skaetroadmr, gilir, stgraber, scott-work, astraljava, Riddell - is your flavor planning in participating in A3 next week?15:04
stgraberyep15:04
giliryes15:04
Riddellstgraber: we're in15:04
Riddellskaet even15:04
skaet:)15:04
roadmrI don't think I have a flavor15:05
skaetsorry roadmr15:05
skaetpopey,  will the compiz & gsettings changes be tested and land before monday?  (ie. in time for A3?)15:05
popeyskaet, right now we're working on the migration tool for gconf->gsettings. I'd like to hope it could land today!15:06
popeybut the tool isn't fully tested, as in, it's currently being written15:06
popey..15:06
skaetpopey,  so basically waiting on the testing to be written,  rather than the tool?15:07
popeya bit of both yes15:07
skaetpopey,  understood.15:08
skaet..15:08
* skaet wonders if anyone else has questions? please "o/" if you do15:08
skaetbrendand, on your top 3 list, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/990575 has a fix and needs testing,   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1016195 is also waiting for input from your team (incomplete),  who’s looking into it?15:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 990575 in linux (Ubuntu) "Entire desktop becomes unresponsive after suspend/resume" [High,Incomplete]15:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1016195 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "[Dell Latitude E6220] Crashes or exits with signal 9 when under heavy load" [High,Incomplete]15:09
roadmro/15:09
skaetgo roadmr15:10
balloonso/15:10
roadmrskaet: I'm working on bug 1016195, need to test kernels as requested by jsalisbury, and file an upstream bug, hopefully will do that today15:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1016195 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "[Dell Latitude E6220] Crashes or exits with signal 9 when under heavy load" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101619515:10
roadmr(well, rather I'm running the tests, jsalisbury is the one actually working on it!)15:11
skaetthanks roadmr.  :)   as long as they're not stalled out was the concern.15:11
roadmrour cert engineer in Lexington has the system for bug 990575, I'll poke him and see if he can move that one forward15:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 990575 in linux (Ubuntu) "Entire desktop becomes unresponsive after suspend/resume" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99057515:11
roadmrskaet: no, they're being looked at, they just happen to be a bit time-consuming (each test run for the E6220 takes at least 2 hours)15:12
roadmr..15:12
skaetThanks roadmr.15:12
skaet..15:12
skaetgo balloons15:12
balloonsjust a quick off the wall question for everyone -- has there been issues in general with the 3.5 kernel series being unstable and causing kernel panics?15:13
popeyi haven't seen any15:13
ogasawaraballoons: haven't heard of anything here, do you have any info on the panic?15:13
balloonsI just randomly got pinged twice this week from folks who can't run quantal at all due to them.. I'm working on getting them to file bugs15:14
ogasawaraballoons: ack, if you can get their info in a bug I'll have my team take a look15:14
ogasawaraballoons: 3.5 is still feeling a little rough which is worrysome15:14
balloonsogasawara, thanks.. just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something15:14
balloonsogasawara, yes.. ok, I was wondering if anyone else was feeling that15:15
balloons..15:15
ogasawaraballoons: we are seeing some suspend resume issues with the latest upload, so we're looking into that15:15
ogasawara..15:15
skaetjibel, arosales - have we had booting Quantal server images since 0717?   can’t tell from the QA report.  Alternate issues appear fixed, so a bit confused.   If not,  which bug is the problem tracked under?15:16
* Daviey hides.15:16
arosalesskaet: I know ARM had some issues building15:16
skaetDaviey,  feel free to add knowledge ;)15:17
jibelskaet, it was the same problem for all d-i based images and it is fixed15:17
arosalesDaviey:  were there sever images also having issues15:17
arosalescloud images are building15:17
DavieyNo, they look good today15:18
arosalesah, ok thanks Daviey15:18
arosales..15:18
Davieyhttps://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/precise-server-amd64_default/15:18
Davieyhttps://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/precise-server-i386_default/15:19
jibelthe poblem was lvm only https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Quantal/view/All%20Quantal/job/quantal-server-i386_lvm/15:19
Davieyworld looks good.15:20
stgraberogasawara: lxc stress testing here (trying to reproduce an issue Laney found a while ago and that was also happenning to me) led to quite a few weird hangs: bug 102147115:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1021471 in linux (Ubuntu) "stuck on mutex_lock creating a new network namespace when starting a container" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102147115:21
stgraberogasawara: not completely clear what's going on, but something's definitely wrong15:21
stgraber..15:21
ogasawarastgraber: hrm, thanks.  will get smb or cooloney to try and take a look.15:22
ogasawara..15:22
skaetarosales,  which specific MIR’s are you concerned about in the blocking item section of your report?15:22
skaet..15:22
arosalesjuju has become less of a concern15:22
arosalesbut we still have some MAAs related ones15:22
arosalesand openstack15:23
arosaleshttp://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html Under MIR tracking are the ones we are looking at15:23
skaetthanks.15:23
DavieyBut generally, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg is a mess15:24
Riddell\o15:24
Davieyseb128: any news on webkit dropping recommends on gstreamer bad?15:24
ScottKIIRC the news was seb128 wasn't going to touch it.15:24
DavieyScottK: O_o.. where did he state that?15:25
seb128Daviey, feel free to upload, I don't maintain webkit15:25
Davieyseb128: Who does?15:25
seb128Daviey, on #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-release15:25
seb128nobody that's the issue15:25
seb128I did take already too much time to update it this week because software-center and other stuff were broken due to incompatibilities between libsoup and webkit15:26
Davieywell if it's going to be a "no you" issue, i'll do it.. not sure what the issue is..15:26
DavieyCertainly seems more Desktop issue than anything else.. but whatever.15:26
seb128well, I can upload15:26
seb128I wanted to see if it was going to build on arm* first15:26
seb128to not waste another 1 day of buildd time to get armel back in sync15:26
Davieyah, that makes more sense.15:26
seb128but you are like the 3rd person to ask since yesterday about the recommend15:27
seb128so maybe it's more important to drop those and we can build on armel later15:27
seb128I will do an upload15:27
seb128..15:27
Davieyseb128: well.. Keeping c-m dirty is the servers teams job, and i won't have desktop encroaching :)15:27
Daviey..15:28
skaetyeah,  Daviey,  components-mismatches definitely looks like it needs some love,   plusone team ping time.15:28
seb128;-)15:28
Davieyskaet: i think it's mostly blocked on resourcing the MIR team. :(15:28
DavieyI have about another 5 MIR's next week. :(15:29
Daviey..15:29
skaetDaviey,  ack.  and summer vacation.  :(      ok,  its noted.15:29
skaet..15:29
skaetogra_,  rather long list of 12.04.1 bugs in your report,  are the fixes all really going to land before 08/02?15:30
ogra_skaet, it is the list that was discussed in the foundations meeting, i doubt all of them will be fixed, no15:31
ogra_but its a list the team picks from15:31
ogra_(should have probably mentioned that in the header)15:31
stgraberI think I fixed around 5 of them since the meeting, xnox has a pretty long list of bugs that'll disappear from the list when we get the new mdadm and e2fsprogs15:32
xnoxmdadm - review comments fixed & reuploaded: pending on slangasek for re-review;15:32
ogra_and some of them are already fix committed (i.e. flash-kernel issues)15:32
stgraberbut I'm expecting quite a good chunk of the rest won't make it to the point release. Will start re-milestoning as I know more.15:33
xnoxe2fsprogs - pending on me and infinity to do a line by line cod-review15:33
skaetogra_,  can we prune the bug lists down to the most likely high/critical ones next week?15:33
ogra_yep, will do15:34
skaetthanks stgraber,  re-milestoning would be welcome.15:34
skaetthanks xnox.  :)15:34
skaetthanks ogra_ :)15:34
skaet..15:34
skaetRiddell go15:34
* skaet missed his "o/" earlier15:34
Riddellqt 3 is removed in debian, do we want to follow15:34
Riddellit's a question of if we care about lsb15:35
RiddellI don't but maybe someone else here does15:35
skaetseb128,   ^ any thoughts?15:36
seb128we do care about lsb I think15:37
seb128I would like to check with slangasek or cjwatson15:37
seb128I don't really care about qt3 though15:37
seb128does lsb requires it?15:37
seb128..15:37
Riddellit's part of lsb 4.0 yes15:37
Riddellbut nobody uses it any more15:37
RiddellI'll ask on the mailing list if nobody here has an opinion15:38
Riddell..15:38
skaetThanks Riddell!15:39
seb128thanks15:39
* skaet doesn't see any more hands in the backscroll...15:40
skaetanyone else have questions this week?15:40
roadmro/15:40
mdeslaurRiddell: does stuff like the proprietary citrix client use qt3?15:41
Riddellmdeslaur: that I don't know15:41
mdeslaurwe might want to take a look before killing it15:41
mdeslaur..15:42
skaetgo roadmr15:42
roadmrsuper-quick question re: bug 1021293, is this possible to fix by uploading a new version of the offending package so that upgrading from a clean 12.04 will succeed? (other than guarding against that sort of problem as suggested by cjwatson)15:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1021293 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 12.04 install stalls when doing apt-get upgrade" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102129315:42
roadmr..15:42
stgrabermdeslaur: citrix doesn't at least15:43
stgraber..15:43
mdeslaurhah, openmotif :)15:43
mdeslaur..15:43
rsalvetio/15:44
skaetogra_, cjwatson, stgraber,  ^ any thoughts on roadmr's question?   or best handled in the bug?15:45
stgraberbest handled in the bug. cjohnston replied an hour ago with some more details.15:45
stgraber..15:45
stgrabercjwatson15:45
skaetok15:46
skaetrsalveti, go15:46
rsalvetiogasawara: ogra_: do we know what will happen with the kernel used for omap4? TI is currently only focused on getting the 3.4 based on stable, and is not showing any plans on moving the work to a 3.5 based kernel15:47
cjwatsonroadmr: You'll probably have a fix by the end of today, without trying to work around me.15:47
ogra_well, afaik paolo already worked on a 3.5 port15:47
ogra_rsalveti, ^^^15:47
ogra_cherrypicking the missing bits into a mainline 3.515:48
rsalvetiogra_: oh, ok, so then he'll be mainly maintaining the tree himself I suppose15:48
roadmrcjwatson: awesome, thanks!15:48
cjwatsonroadmr: I'll talk with Robert Ancell at some point, but, while accountsservice is broken, I don't think we should rely on whack-a-mole fixes in packages being upgraded to fix this general problem.15:48
ogra_rsalveti, but i dont know the status, he vanished with the rest of the kernel team from IRC when their sprint started, probably ogasawara can give details15:48
ogra_i know he had something that booted already though ...15:49
ogra_..15:49
rsalvetiogra_: ok, I can follow this up with the kernel team then, just want to make sure we're at least working on the same thing, if possible15:50
ogasawararsalvet, ogra_:  well, the current omap4 kernel is v3.4 based.  ppisati has been playing with a v3.5 port though.  I'll throw it on the agenda for the morning to discuss further.15:50
ogasawara..15:50
rsalvetias if he decides to push a 3.5 based on, we'd need to make sure it's well tested15:50
ogra_rsalveti, well, he cherry picked from TILT i think15:50
ogra_..15:50
brendandcjwatson - it still needs to be fixed in ubiquity for sure, we're just wondering will the 12.04 release image work for us again15:50
rsalvetiogasawara: ok, thanks15:50
rsalvetiogra_: yeah, ok :-)15:50
cjwatsonbrendand: Ah, yes, we do need to fix both15:50
rsalveti..15:50
cjwatsonbrendand: Any of my three suggestions in the bug would cover that15:51
cjwatsonbrendand: But I don't routinely work on accountsservice myself so I'd prefer robert_ancell's input there15:51
cjwatsonAnyway, we should do this in the bug15:51
brendandcjwatson, sure. i have already posted the same question in the bug15:52
skaetam not seeing any further questions for this meeting...15:52
ogra_o/15:52
skaetgo ogra_  :)15:52
ogra_rsalveti, whats the status on PVR, any solution in sight ?15:53
ogra_(and also can you make it work with a possible 3.5 kernel easily)15:53
ogra_..15:53
rsalvetiogra_: I'll be working on getting it available at quantal over the next few days, but one thing that kind of worried be at the first moment is that this driver is not behaving properly with compiz/unity15:54
ogra_yeah, i read that15:54
rsalvetiso I'm checking the bugs on the linaro side, and also trying to find if someone would be able to help15:54
ogra_did you use the new upstream compiz ?15:54
rsalvetiprobably robclark15:54
rsalvetiboth the old and the new that is currently on development15:54
ogra_great, if rob is involved i'm confident that we'll have a happy end :)15:55
rsalvetibut, as long as we don't deploy compiz right away with gles support, it'd still be useful to have a newer driver available15:55
ogra_..15:55
rsalvetiogra_: exactly ;-)15:55
rsalveti..15:55
skaettime to end now then.  :)15:56
skaet#endmeeting15:56
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skaetThanks for your participation this week,  roadmr, stgraber, tumbleweed, jibel, arosales, vanhoof, ogra_, Daviey, ogasawara, Riddell, roadmr, seb128, balloons, popey, gilir, ScottK, cjwatson, brendand, rsalveti.15:56
arosalesThanks for chair'ing skaet15:56
roadmrthanks!15:56
ogra_thanks skaet !15:56
seb128skaet, thank you!15:56
popeythanks skaet15:56
balloonsthanks skaet :-015:56
roadmrcjwatson: thanks for looking at our crazy bugs :)15:56
jibelthanks skaet15:57
rsalvetithanks skaet15:57
stgraberthanks!15:57
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seb128@SRU team: is there any motivated member who wants to review the unity precise SRU just uploaded? we would like to get it early rather than late to keep open the possibility to do another SRU round for the 12.04.1 desktop freeze17:44
meetingologyseb128: Error: "SRU" is not a valid command.17:44
seb128some notes17:45
seb128- the list of bugs fixed in that SRU is quite long17:45
seb128- some of the bugs are not fully SRU-rules-compliant yet, but the vast majority is, the #ps guys are working on finishing testcases etc for the remaining ones17:45
seb128(I don't think we should block the SRU on that)17:46
seb128- the update got quite some solid testing already, some people are running it for a week and it went through several round of checkbox manual test and automatic testing17:46
seb128with some issues found and fixed during the week17:46
seb128 17:46
seb128to do it short: it's going to be a bit tricky to review but it got solid automated and manual testing and we are confident it should create no issue17:47
seb128;-)17:47
seb128graaa, that was meant for #ubuntu-devel :p17:47
skaetseb128, yeah that would be more appropriate,  as would #ubuntu-release  ;)17:51
seb128skaet, I will not crosspost on a third channel, I think the SRU team are all on #ubuntu-devel, I posted there now ;-)17:51
skaet:)17:52
astraljavaskaet: Sorry, was on the road during the meeting. Yes, Xubuntu will participate in A-3 next week. Thanks!19:13
skaetthanks astraljava :)19:14
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