[14:58]  * skaet waves
[14:58] <roadmr> hello!
[14:58]  * stgraber waves
[14:59] <tumbleweed> hi
[14:59] <arosales> hello
[14:59] <skaet> hiya roadmr, stgraber, tumbleweed, arosales :)
[14:59] <vanhoof> hi :)
[14:59] <ogra_> moo
[15:00] <mdeslaur> \o
[15:00] <popey> o/
[15:00] <Riddell> hi
[15:00] <skaet> looks like quorum,  :)
[15:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Jul 20 15:00:48 2012 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:01] <skaet> Agenda (and minute location):
[15:01] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-07-20
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Upcoming dates:
[15:01] <skaet> 12.10
[15:01] <skaet>     2012/07/23: Quantal Alpha 3 image candidates start  (slangasek, laney, skaet - contact points)
[15:01] <skaet>     2012/07/26: Quantal Alpha 3
[15:01] <skaet>     2012/08/23: Quantal Feature Freeze
[15:01] <skaet> 12.04.1
[15:01] <skaet>     2012/08/02: DesktopInfrastructureFreeze
[15:01] <skaet>     2012/08/09: KernelFreeze, LanguageTranslationDeadline, SRU Fix Validation Testing
[15:01] <skaet>     2012/08/16: FinalFreeze, ReleaseNoteFreeze
[15:01] <skaet>     2012/08/23: Ubuntu 12.04.1
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Work Items:
[15:01] <skaet> 2012/07/20 -  2966  (was 3041 last week):  Thanks for the cleanup!  :)    We’re still a little high, but looking better now.   Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks.
[15:01] <skaet> Bugs:
[15:01] <skaet> Quantal: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:01] <skaet> 12.04.1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=49926
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Pendinging Action Items:
[15:01] <skaet> None
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Weekly Status Received:
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001578.html - HW Cert - brendand
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001579.html - Security - mdeslaur
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001580.html - Kernel - ogasawara
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001583.html - Desktop - seb128
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001584.html - Lubuntu - gilir
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001585.html - Edubuntu - stgraber
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001587.html - Linaro - rsalveti
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001588.html - Server - arosales
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001589.html - Xubuntu - astraljava
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001590.html - Kubuntu - Riddell
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001591.html - Foundations - ogra_
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001592.html - Ubuntu One - joshuahoover
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001593.html - QA - jibel
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-July/001594.html - Unity - popey
[15:02] <skaet> ..
[15:02] <skaet> #topic Questions and Comments
[15:04] <skaet> roadmr, gilir, stgraber, scott-work, astraljava, Riddell - is your flavor planning in participating in A3 next week?
[15:04] <stgraber> yep
[15:04] <gilir> yes
[15:04] <Riddell> stgraber: we're in
[15:04] <Riddell> skaet even
[15:04] <skaet> :)
[15:05] <roadmr> I don't think I have a flavor
[15:05] <skaet> sorry roadmr
[15:05] <skaet> popey,  will the compiz & gsettings changes be tested and land before monday?  (ie. in time for A3?)
[15:06] <popey> skaet, right now we're working on the migration tool for gconf->gsettings. I'd like to hope it could land today!
[15:06] <popey> but the tool isn't fully tested, as in, it's currently being written
[15:06] <popey> ..
[15:07] <skaet> popey,  so basically waiting on the testing to be written,  rather than the tool?
[15:07] <popey> a bit of both yes
[15:08] <skaet> popey,  understood.
[15:08] <skaet> ..
[15:08]  * skaet wonders if anyone else has questions?  please "o/" if you do
[15:09] <skaet> brendand, on your top 3 list, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/990575 has a fix and needs testing,   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1016195 is also waiting for input from your team (incomplete),  who’s looking into it?
[15:09] <roadmr> o/
[15:10] <skaet> go roadmr
[15:10] <balloons> o/
[15:10] <roadmr> skaet: I'm working on bug 1016195, need to test kernels as requested by jsalisbury, and file an upstream bug, hopefully will do that today
[15:11] <roadmr> (well, rather I'm running the tests, jsalisbury is the one actually working on it!)
[15:11] <skaet> thanks roadmr.  :)   as long as they're not stalled out was the concern.
[15:11] <roadmr> our cert engineer in Lexington has the system for bug 990575, I'll poke him and see if he can move that one forward
[15:12] <roadmr> skaet: no, they're being looked at, they just happen to be a bit time-consuming (each test run for the E6220 takes at least 2 hours)
[15:12] <roadmr> ..
[15:12] <skaet> Thanks roadmr.
[15:12] <skaet> ..
[15:12] <skaet> go balloons
[15:13] <balloons> just a quick off the wall question for everyone -- has there been issues in general with the 3.5 kernel series being unstable and causing kernel panics?
[15:13] <popey> i haven't seen any
[15:13] <ogasawara> balloons: haven't heard of anything here, do you have any info on the panic?
[15:14] <balloons> I just randomly got pinged twice this week from folks who can't run quantal at all due to them.. I'm working on getting them to file bugs
[15:14] <ogasawara> balloons: ack, if you can get their info in a bug I'll have my team take a look
[15:14] <ogasawara> balloons: 3.5 is still feeling a little rough which is worrysome
[15:14] <balloons> ogasawara, thanks.. just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something
[15:15] <balloons> ogasawara, yes.. ok, I was wondering if anyone else was feeling that
[15:15] <balloons> ..
[15:15] <ogasawara> balloons: we are seeing some suspend resume issues with the latest upload, so we're looking into that
[15:15] <ogasawara> ..
[15:16] <skaet> jibel, arosales - have we had booting Quantal server images since 0717?   can’t tell from the QA report.  Alternate issues appear fixed, so a bit confused.   If not,  which bug is the problem tracked under?
[15:16]  * Daviey hides.
[15:16] <arosales> skaet: I know ARM had some issues building
[15:17] <skaet> Daviey,  feel free to add knowledge ;)
[15:17] <jibel> skaet, it was the same problem for all d-i based images and it is fixed
[15:17] <arosales> Daviey:  were there sever images also having issues
[15:17] <arosales> cloud images are building
[15:18] <Daviey> No, they look good today
[15:18] <arosales> ah, ok thanks Daviey
[15:18] <arosales> ..
[15:18] <Daviey> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/precise-server-amd64_default/
[15:19] <Daviey> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/precise-server-i386_default/
[15:19] <jibel> the poblem was lvm only https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Quantal/view/All%20Quantal/job/quantal-server-i386_lvm/
[15:20] <Daviey> world looks good.
[15:21] <stgraber> ogasawara: lxc stress testing here (trying to reproduce an issue Laney found a while ago and that was also happenning to me) led to quite a few weird hangs: bug 1021471
[15:21] <stgraber> ogasawara: not completely clear what's going on, but something's definitely wrong
[15:21] <stgraber> ..
[15:22] <ogasawara> stgraber: hrm, thanks.  will get smb or cooloney to try and take a look.
[15:22] <ogasawara> ..
[15:22] <skaet> arosales,  which specific MIR’s are you concerned about in the blocking item section of your report?
[15:22] <skaet> ..
[15:22] <arosales> juju has become less of a concern
[15:22] <arosales> but we still have some MAAs related ones
[15:23] <arosales> and openstack
[15:23] <arosales> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html Under MIR tracking are the ones we are looking at
[15:23] <skaet> thanks.
[15:24] <Daviey> But generally, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg is a mess
[15:24] <Riddell> \o
[15:24] <Daviey> seb128: any news on webkit dropping recommends on gstreamer bad?
[15:24] <ScottK> IIRC the news was seb128 wasn't going to touch it.
[15:25] <Daviey> ScottK: O_o.. where did he state that?
[15:25] <seb128> Daviey, feel free to upload, I don't maintain webkit
[15:25] <Daviey> seb128: Who does?
[15:25] <seb128> Daviey, on #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-release
[15:25] <seb128> nobody that's the issue
[15:26] <seb128> I did take already too much time to update it this week because software-center and other stuff were broken due to incompatibilities between libsoup and webkit
[15:26] <Daviey> well if it's going to be a "no you" issue, i'll do it.. not sure what the issue is..
[15:26] <Daviey> Certainly seems more Desktop issue than anything else.. but whatever.
[15:26] <seb128> well, I can upload
[15:26] <seb128> I wanted to see if it was going to build on arm* first
[15:26] <seb128> to not waste another 1 day of buildd time to get armel back in sync
[15:26] <Daviey> ah, that makes more sense.
[15:27] <seb128> but you are like the 3rd person to ask since yesterday about the recommend
[15:27] <seb128> so maybe it's more important to drop those and we can build on armel later
[15:27] <seb128> I will do an upload
[15:27] <seb128> ..
[15:27] <Daviey> seb128: well.. Keeping c-m dirty is the servers teams job, and i won't have desktop encroaching :)
[15:28] <Daviey> ..
[15:28] <skaet> yeah,  Daviey,  components-mismatches definitely looks like it needs some love,   plusone team ping time.
[15:28] <seb128> ;-)
[15:28] <Daviey> skaet: i think it's mostly blocked on resourcing the MIR team. :(
[15:29] <Daviey> I have about another 5 MIR's next week. :(
[15:29] <Daviey> ..
[15:29] <skaet> Daviey,  ack.  and summer vacation.  :(      ok,  its noted.
[15:29] <skaet> ..
[15:30] <skaet> ogra_,  rather long list of 12.04.1 bugs in your report,  are the fixes all really going to land before 08/02?
[15:31] <ogra_> skaet, it is the list that was discussed in the foundations meeting, i doubt all of them will be fixed, no
[15:31] <ogra_> but its a list the team picks from
[15:31] <ogra_> (should have probably mentioned that in the header)
[15:32] <stgraber> I think I fixed around 5 of them since the meeting, xnox has a pretty long list of bugs that'll disappear from the list when we get the new mdadm and e2fsprogs
[15:32] <xnox> mdadm - review comments fixed & reuploaded: pending on slangasek for re-review;
[15:32] <ogra_> and some of them are already fix committed (i.e. flash-kernel issues)
[15:33] <stgraber> but I'm expecting quite a good chunk of the rest won't make it to the point release. Will start re-milestoning as I know more.
[15:33] <xnox> e2fsprogs - pending on me and infinity to do a line by line cod-review
[15:33] <skaet> ogra_,  can we prune the bug lists down to the most likely high/critical ones next week?
[15:34] <ogra_> yep, will do
[15:34] <skaet> thanks stgraber,  re-milestoning would be welcome.
[15:34] <skaet> thanks xnox.  :)
[15:34] <skaet> thanks ogra_ :)
[15:34] <skaet> ..
[15:34] <skaet> Riddell go
[15:34]  * skaet missed his "o/" earlier
[15:34] <Riddell> qt 3 is removed in debian, do we want to follow
[15:35] <Riddell> it's a question of if we care about lsb
[15:35] <Riddell> I don't but maybe someone else here does
[15:36] <skaet> seb128,   ^ any thoughts?
[15:37] <seb128> we do care about lsb I think
[15:37] <seb128> I would like to check with slangasek or cjwatson
[15:37] <seb128> I don't really care about qt3 though
[15:37] <seb128> does lsb requires it?
[15:37] <seb128> ..
[15:37] <Riddell> it's part of lsb 4.0 yes
[15:37] <Riddell> but nobody uses it any more
[15:38] <Riddell> I'll ask on the mailing list if nobody here has an opinion
[15:38] <Riddell> ..
[15:39] <skaet> Thanks Riddell!
[15:39] <seb128> thanks
[15:40]  * skaet doesn't see any more hands in the backscroll...
[15:40] <skaet> anyone else have questions this week?
[15:40] <roadmr> o/
[15:41] <mdeslaur> Riddell: does stuff like the proprietary citrix client use qt3?
[15:41] <Riddell> mdeslaur: that I don't know
[15:41] <mdeslaur> we might want to take a look before killing it
[15:42] <mdeslaur> ..
[15:42] <skaet> go roadmr
[15:42] <roadmr> super-quick question re: bug 1021293, is this possible to fix by uploading a new version of the offending package so that upgrading from a clean 12.04 will succeed? (other than guarding against that sort of problem as suggested by cjwatson)
[15:42] <roadmr> ..
[15:43] <stgraber> mdeslaur: citrix doesn't at least
[15:43] <stgraber> ..
[15:43] <mdeslaur> hah, openmotif :)
[15:43] <mdeslaur> ..
[15:44] <rsalveti> o/
[15:45] <skaet> ogra_, cjwatson, stgraber,  ^ any thoughts on roadmr's question?   or best handled in the bug?
[15:45] <stgraber> best handled in the bug. cjohnston replied an hour ago with some more details.
[15:45] <stgraber> ..
[15:45] <stgraber> cjwatson
[15:46] <skaet> ok
[15:46] <skaet> rsalveti, go
[15:47] <rsalveti> ogasawara: ogra_: do we know what will happen with the kernel used for omap4? TI is currently only focused on getting the 3.4 based on stable, and is not showing any plans on moving the work to a 3.5 based kernel
[15:47] <cjwatson> roadmr: You'll probably have a fix by the end of today, without trying to work around me.
[15:47] <ogra_> well, afaik paolo already worked on a 3.5 port
[15:47] <ogra_> rsalveti, ^^^
[15:48] <ogra_> cherrypicking the missing bits into a mainline 3.5
[15:48] <rsalveti> ogra_: oh, ok, so then he'll be mainly maintaining the tree himself I suppose
[15:48] <roadmr> cjwatson: awesome, thanks!
[15:48] <cjwatson> roadmr: I'll talk with Robert Ancell at some point, but, while accountsservice is broken, I don't think we should rely on whack-a-mole fixes in packages being upgraded to fix this general problem.
[15:48] <ogra_> rsalveti, but i dont know the status, he vanished with the rest of the kernel team from IRC when their sprint started, probably ogasawara can give details
[15:49] <ogra_> i know he had something that booted already though ...
[15:49] <ogra_> ..
[15:50] <rsalveti> ogra_: ok, I can follow this up with the kernel team then, just want to make sure we're at least working on the same thing, if possible
[15:50] <ogasawara> rsalvet, ogra_:  well, the current omap4 kernel is v3.4 based.  ppisati has been playing with a v3.5 port though.  I'll throw it on the agenda for the morning to discuss further.
[15:50] <ogasawara> ..
[15:50] <rsalveti> as if he decides to push a 3.5 based on, we'd need to make sure it's well tested
[15:50] <ogra_> rsalveti, well, he cherry picked from TILT i think
[15:50] <ogra_> ..
[15:50] <brendand> cjwatson - it still needs to be fixed in ubiquity for sure, we're just wondering will the 12.04 release image work for us again
[15:50] <rsalveti> ogasawara: ok, thanks
[15:50] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, ok :-)
[15:50] <cjwatson> brendand: Ah, yes, we do need to fix both
[15:50] <rsalveti> ..
[15:51] <cjwatson> brendand: Any of my three suggestions in the bug would cover that
[15:51] <cjwatson> brendand: But I don't routinely work on accountsservice myself so I'd prefer robert_ancell's input there
[15:51] <cjwatson> Anyway, we should do this in the bug
[15:52] <brendand> cjwatson, sure. i have already posted the same question in the bug
[15:52] <skaet> am not seeing any further questions for this meeting...
[15:52] <ogra_> o/
[15:52] <skaet> go ogra_  :)
[15:53] <ogra_> rsalveti, whats the status on PVR, any solution in sight ?
[15:53] <ogra_> (and also can you make it work with a possible 3.5 kernel easily)
[15:53] <ogra_> ..
[15:54] <rsalveti> ogra_: I'll be working on getting it available at quantal over the next few days, but one thing that kind of worried be at the first moment is that this driver is not behaving properly with compiz/unity
[15:54] <ogra_> yeah, i read that
[15:54] <rsalveti> so I'm checking the bugs on the linaro side, and also trying to find if someone would be able to help
[15:54] <ogra_> did you use the new upstream compiz ?
[15:54] <rsalveti> probably robclark
[15:54] <rsalveti> both the old and the new that is currently on development
[15:55] <ogra_> great, if rob is involved i'm confident that we'll have a happy end :)
[15:55] <rsalveti> but, as long as we don't deploy compiz right away with gles support, it'd still be useful to have a newer driver available
[15:55] <ogra_> ..
[15:55] <rsalveti> ogra_: exactly ;-)
[15:55] <rsalveti> ..
[15:56] <skaet> time to end now then.  :)
[15:56] <skaet> #endmeeting
[15:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Jul 20 15:56:24 2012 UTC.
[15:56] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-20-15.00.moin.txt
[15:56] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-20-15.00.html
[15:56] <skaet> Thanks for your participation this week,  roadmr, stgraber, tumbleweed, jibel, arosales, vanhoof, ogra_, Daviey, ogasawara, Riddell, roadmr, seb128, balloons, popey, gilir, ScottK, cjwatson, brendand, rsalveti.
[15:56] <arosales> Thanks for chair'ing skaet
[15:56] <roadmr> thanks!
[15:56] <ogra_> thanks skaet !
[15:56] <seb128> skaet, thank you!
[15:56] <popey> thanks skaet
[15:56] <balloons> thanks skaet :-0
[15:56] <roadmr> cjwatson: thanks for looking at our crazy bugs :)
[15:57] <jibel> thanks skaet
[15:57] <rsalveti> thanks skaet
[15:57] <stgraber> thanks!
[17:44] <seb128> @SRU team: is there any motivated member who wants to review the unity precise SRU just uploaded? we would like to get it early rather than late to keep open the possibility to do another SRU round for the 12.04.1 desktop freeze
[17:44] <meetingology> seb128: Error: "SRU" is not a valid command.
[17:45] <seb128> some notes
[17:45] <seb128> - the list of bugs fixed in that SRU is quite long
[17:45] <seb128> - some of the bugs are not fully SRU-rules-compliant yet, but the vast majority is, the #ps guys are working on finishing testcases etc for the remaining ones
[17:46] <seb128> (I don't think we should block the SRU on that)
[17:46] <seb128> - the update got quite some solid testing already, some people are running it for a week and it went through several round of checkbox manual test and automatic testing
[17:46] <seb128> with some issues found and fixed during the week
[17:46] <seb128>  
[17:47] <seb128> to do it short: it's going to be a bit tricky to review but it got solid automated and manual testing and we are confident it should create no issue
[17:47] <seb128> ;-)
[17:47] <seb128> graaa, that was meant for #ubuntu-devel :p
[17:51] <skaet> seb128, yeah that would be more appropriate,  as would #ubuntu-release  ;)
[17:51] <seb128> skaet, I will not crosspost on a third channel, I think the SRU team are all on #ubuntu-devel, I posted there now ;-)
[17:52] <skaet> :)
[19:13] <astraljava> skaet: Sorry, was on the road during the meeting. Yes, Xubuntu will participate in A-3 next week. Thanks!
[19:14] <skaet> thanks astraljava :)