[02:04] <superm1> dekarl: i haven't updated everything for mythlogserver yet
[02:04] <superm1> not really sure everything that needs to happen
[02:47] <somethinginteres> hi all, I have the mythbuntu update repo installed. I am wanting to get updates for the 0.25 MythTV branch. I don't think I configured things correctly and I am getting no updates from upstream. How can I remove and reinstall the package with the ability to re-configure? When I uninstall and reinstall normally it doesn't prompt me for information on branch etc
[02:55] <Shadow__X> somethinginteres: open up mythbuntu control center and within there you can select the .2 fixes repo
[03:04] <somethinginteres> Shadow__X: hi, sorry, I should've been clear. I am running vanilla Ubuntu 12.04 so I don't have the mythbuntu control center.
[03:44] <Shadow__X> you should be able to install it
[03:45] <Shadow__X> try searching in synaptic or by doing sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-control-centre
[03:53] <somethinginteres> looks like it's in the repo but it wants to install some required packages e.g. " mythbuntu-bare-client mythbuntu-common" will that mess w/ my current MythTV install?
[03:54] <Shadow__X> afaik no
[03:54] <somethinginteres> OK thanks. I need to make sure I've got all the latest fixes b/c the backend keeps crashing citing "mythtv-commflag" as the problem
[03:55] <Shadow__X> if you really want you can wait around for someone that can know for certain but i would think that is all safe and also you want the mythtv builds from the mythbuntu repo anyway
[04:11] <somethinginteres> "you want the mythtv builds from the mythbuntu repo anyway" Do you reckon it might be an idea to uninstall myth and install the mythbuntu packages and start afresh or do you think that's overkill?
[04:12] <Shadow__X> somethinginteres: once you have the mythbuntu repo setup for .25 fixes you should be able to upgrade no problem
[04:12] <somethinginteres> Shadow__X: no worries, I'll give it a try
[04:12] <Shadow__X> if you wanted to you could start fresh with mythbuntu but this should work
[04:21] <somethinginteres> Shadow__X: well I installed it and selected 0.25, mythbuntu repo is in my software sources but no updates are found and I can't find mythbuntu in my list when I do apt-get update. I am sure something's up. There has to be updates.
[04:22] <Shadow__X> ok so you installed the mythbuntu repo package and selected .25 and when you ran updates the repo doesnt come up?
[04:23] <somethinginteres> Shadow__X: yeah not thast I can see. Though it is ticked in "Software sources"
[04:27] <Shadow__X> search for mythtv in synaptic and see what comes up its most likely that you have to install the new package from the repo
[04:34] <somethinginteres> Shadow__X: the packages were listed for Upgrade in synaptic. Applying them now. Weird that it is upgradeable there but no notice via the update manager?
[04:35] <Shadow__X> you probably had to refresh it
[04:36] <somethinginteres> Shadow__X: roger that. I hope this fixes my issues. Finally got the TV card working again then I updated to 0.25 and crashes.
[04:44] <somethinginteres> Shadow__X: thanks for your help
[15:23] <innatech> Is it safe to upgrade directly from 10.10 ---> 12.04 ?
[15:28] <tgm4883> innatech, that would be unsupported
[15:28] <tgm4883> and probably a bad idea
[15:28] <tgm4883> generally, I recommend backup/fresh install/restore
[15:28] <innatech> that's kinda what I figured.
[15:29] <innatech> That's usually what I do, but I'm a bit short on time these days.
[15:29] <innatech> Might I force an upgrade to an interim version level, and then to 12.04?
[15:32] <tgm4883> innatech, was that a fresh 10.10 install?
[15:32] <tgm4883> There are some interesting issues that arrise from old versions like that. I don't recall if it was from 10.04 or 10.10 though
[15:32] <innatech> I think it was, on the backend that I'm primarily concerned with.
[15:33] <innatech> The release notes have a warning about grub on upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10
[15:33] <tgm4883> yea it's the grub issue I'm thinking about
[15:36] <innatech> Yeah. I'm worried about blowing away my softraid config, and also have completely forgotten whatever init tweaks and library replacement / firmware recompiles I did to make my old hvr1600 capture card keep working.
[15:38] <innatech> (I keep it, and a SD D*tv receiver around because there's reason to capture their many SD channels with the HDPVRs, keeping the HD receivers free.)
[15:38] <innatech> *no reason
[15:40] <innatech> plus there are other things running on that box I'd rather not have to re-install. I suppose I'll just do a full backup of the system partitions and try it out.
[17:07] <innatech> hmm. If I fired up the old torrent, would the server logs reflect anything useful?
[17:08] <innatech> heh. Wrong window. In mythbunutu land, upgrade seems doable.
[20:07] <innatech> So...upgrade process stuck going from 11.04 --> 11.10.....some kind of loop trying to move to the GUI runlevel after the anacron lines in the startup sequence. It sits there and flashes the display
[20:08] <innatech> do I need to use a cheatcode to force a different video mode, until I can update/reconfigure the nvidia drivers?
[20:15] <innatech> I can SSH into the box while it's doing this, and doing sudo gdm  start on the SSH console makes it stop looping, but then I get a blank desktop on the local display.
[20:15] <innatech> as in cursor and nothing else.
[20:16] <innatech> OK, syslog reveals unity-greeter segfaults. Now what?
[20:17] <superm1> innatech: oh there's an upgrade problem with 11.04->11.10 that wasn't sorted out used to be in /t
[20:17] <superm1> check in the forums
[20:17] <superm1> it was fixed for 11.10->12.04
[20:17] <innatech> Well, that's nice .
[20:18] <superm1> there's a workaround for it
[20:18] <innatech> yeah....I'
[20:18] <innatech> ll dig it up.
[20:19] <superm1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1860270
[20:19] <superm1> something like that, you need to fix the lightdm config
[20:19] <superm1> once you do that, the right greeter will start up
[20:20] <innatech> I thought I told it to install gdm not lightdm, when I went from 10.10 to 11.04 earlier today. But w/e.
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[20:31] <innatech> Yep. I found this -- http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1860240.html -- first, but the simpler instructions in yours were fine.
[20:31] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] [SOLVED] Unity-greeter segfault after upgrade to 11.10 [Archive] - Ubuntu Forums
[20:32] <innatech> Pretty crazy not to go back and fix that, its a blocking bug for old version users trying to get to parity.
[20:34] <innatech> Anything freaky I need to know about before pulling the trigger on 11.10 --> 12.04 ?
[20:35] <Steve-Goodey> A reason for doing clean installs when new versions come out? Or are updates normally troublefree?
[20:36] <tgm4883> Steve-Goodey, I usually recommend a clean install, mostly because if done right it's pretty easy.
[20:38] <Steve-Goodey> The 150 odd recordings I've got to transfer over are a concern.
[20:39] <tgm4883> My 167 recordings seem to do fine
[20:40] <tgm4883> I think mostly it depends on whether it is what I would consider proper setup
[20:40] <tgm4883> eg. Recordings on a separate partition. Database backup before clean install. etc
[20:42] <Steve-Goodey> I was going to export/import as native recordings but that part is broken on my mythbuntu 9.10.
[20:42] <tgm4883> Steve-Goodey, why not just backup/restore the entire DB?
[20:44] <Steve-Goodey> Yeah, I just need to get my bum in gear and do it. But it's been so reliable I don't want to tempt fate.
[20:45] <Steve-Goodey> But at the end of the day it's only tv. Specially when you hear today's news.
[20:51] <innatech> Yeah, my backend is also my fileserver etc. so I prefer not to do clean installs even though the data partitions are separate. It's been a while since I've run into an upgrade problem I couldn't fix but it can be vexing.
[20:52] <tgm4883> And you shouldn't touch it if it isn't necessary. Which is why we moved to LTS only releases
[20:53] <innatech> Yeah, I really applaud that decision. I use primarily LTS versions for my own purposes, and have had much less trouble with them than non-LTS installs.
[20:55] <innatech> Do I need to worry about the nvidia/compiz problem when upgrading the frontends from 11.10-->12.04 if proprietary drivers are already installed?
[20:57] <innatech> See e.g. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1965909&page=2
[20:57] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] [ubuntu] Problems after upgrading! Ubuntu 12.04 - Page 2 - Ubuntu Forums
[20:57] <innatech> or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1973025
[20:57] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] [SOLVED] Ubuntu 12.04 Nvidia issue - Ubuntu Forums
[20:58] <innatech> I'd assume this has been addressed one way or another considering we all need VDPAU....
[23:01] <innatech> So, the upgrade tool is stuck because theres what looks like an ncurses or ANSI graphical dialog being shown in the apt terminal output, and it appears to be waiting for input despite being unattended. What do I do?
[23:02] <innatech> its complaining about libc6 and some screensaver daemon..xlockmore... that it always throws warnings about (but has never actually caused problems, unlike the warnings themselves which do disrupt the install.)
[23:06] <innatech> The terminal window inside the upgrade tool isn't responsive...can I attach an xterm to the same session somehow?
[23:08] <innatech> nm....I think I just have a flaky spare keyboard. I swapped it and the window is responsive.
[23:33] <innatech> Am I supposed to let the updater replace  /etc/mysql/conf.d/mythtv.cnf ?
[23:33] <innatech> Or is that going to Do Bad Things to my existing backend install?