[07:10] <diplo> Morning all
[07:14] <christel> GOOD MORNING <3
[07:57] <mattt> another jumper at hayes and harlington station, that's the 2nd in like a few weeks :(
[07:58] <christel> auchies
[07:58] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[07:58] <christel> good morning bigcalm \o
[07:59] <christel> i am contemplating having icecream for breakfast.. this is bad right?
[07:59] <mattt> very
[07:59] <mattt> don't
[07:59]  * bigcalm tickles christel ello :)
[07:59] <bigcalm> christel: sounds soothing to me, do it :)
[07:59] <christel> i really really fancy closing my lips around one of those thorntons toffee temptation things :(
[07:59] <mattt> haha
[07:59] <mattt> it's too early to be reading things like that
[07:59] <christel> they are really nice!
[07:59] <christel> try one, now!
[08:00] <mattt> too cold for icecream, let alone too early
[08:01] <bigcalm> I like reading things like that this early. Helps wake me up
[08:01] <christel> but SUN
[08:01] <christel> there is SUN!
[08:01] <bigcalm> Do carry on
[08:01] <christel> you like reading about icecream because it wakes you up?!
[08:01] <bigcalm> Stick some down somebody's top and it'll wake them up quite quickly
[08:02] <christel> mmmgets a bit sticky though
[08:03] <bigcalm> There may be some extra side effects, yes
[08:04] <christel> and it is also a dreadful waste of icecream
[08:04]  * christel nods
[08:07] <christel> i'm a good girl so i shall listen to mattt (because he has MANY t's) and go have a coffee instead.. then i shall fantasize about having my icecream Later(!) \o/
[08:08] <bigcalm> Mmm, morning beverage
[08:08] <ali1234> black tea with 8 sugars?
[08:09] <bigcalm> Gah
[08:12] <AlanBell> tea, Earl Grey, hot </picard>
[08:12] <bigcalm> Picard was quite hot, in his own way
[08:13]  * diplo worries slightly for bigcalm 
[08:13] <bigcalm> :D
[08:18] <christel> was?! dude, patrick stewart is the hottest man on the planet
[08:18] <christel> he might be like 750 by now.. but i so would
[08:21] <christel> that was different
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> christel: Hmmm.  Patrick Stewart as the next Doctor
[08:21] <christel> MartijnVdS: YES
[08:21] <christel> YESYESYESYES
[08:21] <christel> someone just rang my doorbell wanting to talk to me about jesus
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> christel: only if het gets to call his companion "Number one"
[08:22] <christel> haha
[08:22] <christel> <3
[08:22] <AlanBell> that will happen when you live in a church
[08:22] <christel> (it is the third time in 2 weeks that people came to talk to me about jesus)
[08:22] <christel> i am going to buy one of those priestly collars i think
[08:23] <bigcalm> Hehe
[08:23] <bigcalm> I can imagine you in the role of Vicar of Dibley
[08:23] <christel> AlanBell: it is quite amusing! this one lady always turns up 2 hours early for service, so i've taken to inviting her in for tea (as i feel dreadful for her when she sits outside in the rain)
[08:23] <christel> and people keep coming to ask me when we next have a service
[08:24] <christel> i might start taking confession i think
[08:24] <bigcalm> Good morning popey
[08:25] <christel> bigcalm: i'd make an excellent vicar i am sure!
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> "I'd like to talk about the Flying Spaghetti Monster"
[08:25] <bigcalm> Perfect
[08:26] <bigcalm> Is there a maximum length for usernames in *nix?
[08:26] <bigcalm> Sorry to be on topic so early :S
[08:26] <oimon> christel, in my experience (and after further questioning) most people who door knock to talk about jesus are actually Jehovah's witness cult members
[08:27] <christel> according to useradd 32 chars
[08:27] <christel> this might or might not be correct
[08:27] <christel> oimon: ah! i live in the old presbytery next to a catholic church -- they seem to want me to talk to them about jesus
[08:27] <christel> or save them or something!
[08:27] <BigRedS> oimon: JWs do consider themselves christians
[08:27] <oimon> since they believe in salvation by works (as do most cults) , and therefore won't get to heaven unless they perform their sales targets
[08:28] <oimon> BigRedS, they do not consider Jesus is God (divine), therefore are in no way christian
[08:28] <oimon> but a christian-like cult
[08:28] <bigcalm> christel: thank you :)
[08:29] <christel> bigcalm: nae pee
[08:29] <BigRedS> oimon: They consider Jesus a conduit of God's force or power, and something of a representative on earth
[08:29] <oimon> there's quite a few lines in their version of the bible they forgot to change, so it's easy to get them using their own text
[08:29] <popey> morning
[08:30]  * AlanBell updates 12.10 in the hope that the webapps stuff will start working
[08:31] <AlanBell> anyone tried it on 12.04 yet?
[08:32] <ali1234> i got it mostly working
[08:33] <popey> yup, i have it on 12.04
[08:33] <oimon> canonical are getting quite good at springing these nice surprises
[08:35]  * czajkowski prods popey 
[08:36] <popey> hmm
[08:36] <popey> :)
[08:39] <czajkowski> another one!
[08:40] <popey> The lunatics are taking over the asylum.
[08:41] <bigcalm> Watched Batman Begins again last night, that's rather fitting
[08:41] <bigcalm> Hopefully we'll watch The Dark Knight tonight
[08:42] <popey> yeah, i fancy going to see that
[08:42] <bigcalm> Oh, I meant on blu-ray
[08:43] <bigcalm> We're re-watching things before going to the cinema
[08:44]  * oimon wonders if the next thing to blu-ray will come out before i buy a bluray player
[08:45] <bigcalm> How long did it take you to but a DVD player?
[08:47] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone! :-D
[08:47] <oimon> got a 2nd hand one off a colleague in about 2002
[08:47] <oimon> or later
[08:48] <JamesTait> popey: I hadn't realised the webapps thing was released on 12.04 yet? Do you have a link to the PPA?
[08:49] <popey> ~webapps
[08:49] <oimon> JamesTait, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/07/how-to-install-ubuntus-new-web-apps-feature
[08:50] <JamesTait> Thanks. :)
[09:00] <oimon> see how much money nokia lost ?
[09:00] <oimon> looks like they won't be here anymore in 2 years
[09:01] <directhex> nokia, like RIM, ran on hubris for too long whilst apple was redefining their market away from them
[09:02] <oimon> yes
[09:02] <oimon> and yahoo
[09:02] <directhex> it's be disappointing if a company which started in 1865 was eventually killed by symbian
[09:02] <oimon> killed by symbian?
[09:03] <oimon> killed by lack of progress and bad decisions
[09:03] <directhex> know how much nokia spent on r&d?
[09:03] <directhex> without ever shipping any of it?
[09:04] <oimon> progress requires a final goal, rather than aimless noodling
[09:05] <directhex> and infighting
[09:05] <oimon> took far too long on maemo type projects while android was rising fast
[09:05] <directhex> maemo was being sabotaged internally on a daily basis
[09:05] <oimon> by the time MS got involved it was all over, since they couldn't even piggyback the rising wave of android like samsung and htc have
[09:05] <directhex> by middle managers whose jobs depended on symbian
[09:06] <directhex> one of nokia's most closely guarded secrets is the sales figures for the n900
[09:06] <oimon> the MS fanboy in the office has an htc phone. he is ex-MS and worships everything they do, but either the phone people were different, or he thinks WP sucks
[09:06] <directhex> because if investors knew how that sold, whilst they were pushing the n97, they'd go mental
[09:07] <oimon> i would have bought a n900 if it had a future
[09:07] <popey> same here
[09:07] <oimon> but 2 months after release it was clear it had none, and i bought an htc
[09:07] <popey> instead i bought an android htc hero, hated it and switched to iphon
[09:07] <popey> +e
[09:07] <directhex> that's nokia for you, tbh
[09:07] <oimon> my desire has been great, which i will keep until a phone comes out i can run ubuntu on
[09:07] <oimon> (not atrix)
[09:08] <directhex> today they're at the point where they have some genuinely nice smartphones, which can compete with ios/android empirically. but the nokia brand is in serious trouble (and so is the windows brand), so the devices aren't actually ending up in consumers' hands
[09:08] <directhex> but it shouldn't have taken them until 2012 to have devices humans would want
[09:08] <oimon> WP is less of the mobile market than ubuntu (not linux) is of the desktop market
[09:09] <ali1234> WP is not a good product when your entire userbase is used to symbian
[09:09] <oimon> my wife's desire screen got sat on, so i borrowed my mums spare phone, it's a metal nokia that's really nice
[09:09] <ali1234> symbian would have continued to sell in huge numbers if they had not announced it's death prematurely
[09:09] <directhex> WP7 has about 1/3 of the market as WM6
[09:10] <directhex> and that's sad
[09:10] <oimon> makes phone calls but not much else
[09:10] <oimon> but as a handset its lovely
[09:10] <oimon> reassuringly heavy for a small object
[09:11] <oimon> somebody here has been sacked for their annoying ringtone
[09:11] <gord> i like windows phone stuff, its pretty nice
[09:12] <directhex> ali1234, sorry, but i really can't agree there. pretty much since the first iphone shipped, nokia's symbian smartphones have been staggeringly awful, and utterly uncompetitive with android or iphone. nobody would walk into carphone whorehouse and say "i want symbian please!" unless they sustained serious head trauma on the door frame whilst entering the store
[09:12] <ali1234> you're totally missing the point
[09:12] <directhex> the n97 was the competition with first-gen androids, and was a joke
[09:13] <directhex> ultimately, in 2012, the product of the phone, and the product of the OS, is irrelevant. people are buying ecosystems.
[09:13] <ali1234> if symbian was so terrible, why was it still selling more phones than anything else in 2010?
[09:13] <directhex> you're not buying an iphone, you're buying the ios app store
[09:13] <oimon> ali1234, 3rd world markets
[09:14] <oimon> directhex, true, which is why webos failed - no ecosystem
[09:14] <directhex> ali1234, because s40 gets counted in those statistics, and nokia still has the best distribution chain in third world markets
[09:14] <ali1234> as i said the other day, android and iphone are not phones, they're toys that can sometimes make phone calls if you are lucky
[09:14] <oimon> ali1234, i wouldn't know, i don't make phone calls :D
[09:14] <ali1234> it's the same thing that happened to firefox
[09:14] <ali1234> firefox used to provide a credible alternative to chrome
[09:15] <ali1234> then someone decided that chrome was getting popular and the best way to compete with it was o make a bad copy of it
[09:15] <ali1234> and surprisingly enough everyone started switching to chrome
[09:16] <oimon> i've never used chrome, but i used to use chromium
[09:16] <ali1234> except it's not surprising because if you don't like chrome, you really won't like a bad copy of it
[09:16] <oimon> password management on chrom* is awful
[09:16] <ali1234> if you like symbian and you don't like android and iphone, then you are really going to hate WP7
[09:17] <AlanBell> I like firefox still, but I use chromium and chrome too for the hell of it. I like that firefox is now competing with chrome for speed.
[09:17] <oimon> i don't kow why WP7  apps gets coverage on bbc click with such low market share
[09:17] <directhex> if you like symbian and you don't like android and iphone, then both of the other people who feel like you can form a little club
[09:18] <ali1234> nope. what actually happens is you choose the lesser evil, which is android, and WP7 dies a death
[09:18] <ali1234> which is exactly what is happening now
[09:19] <directhex> you're touting android as the better option for a smartphone which can actually make calls?
[09:19] <ali1234> no
[09:19] <directhex> have you ever *used* android? or wp7?
[09:20] <brobostigon> [A
[09:20] <ali1234> there is no such thing as a smartphone (by the current definition) which can reliably make phone calls
[09:20] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:20] <ali1234> so since they are all equally bad on that measure you have to look at something else
[09:20] <directhex> you have a twisted definition of "equally"
[09:21] <ali1234> if i try to make a phone call but cannot and then have to reset the phone, then it's bad
[09:21] <oimon> ali1234, i've never had to reset my android
[09:21] <ali1234> i have never seen this happen on a symbian phone, ever
[09:21] <oimon> or failed to make a call (unless in bad reception area)
[09:21] <ali1234> i've seen it happen on every other type of phone though, on a regular basis
[09:22] <oimon> but you've never used android?
[09:22] <ali1234> no, that's just directhex making stuff up
[09:22] <oimon> seriously, nobody i know has this proble,
[09:22] <ali1234> i have an android phone here
[09:22] <oimon> except for ihpone users who's phone have hung and they couldn't remove the battery
[09:22] <ali1234> it has to be reset every day in order to make or receive calls
[09:22] <oimon> which phone?
[09:22] <ali1234> samsung galaxy
[09:23] <ali1234> it's a known bug as well
[09:23] <oimon> send it back
[09:23] <ali1234> google for "emergency calls only"
[09:23] <BigRedS> ali1234: mine enver did that
[09:23] <oimon> hardware or software?
[09:23] <BigRedS> *never
[09:23] <ali1234> firmware
[09:23] <ali1234> it's pretty obviously caused by the radio rom
[09:23] <popey> i dont have this issue with iphone 4s
[09:23] <popey> even with the beta version of ios I'm running on it
[09:23] <ali1234> the application software makes no difference
[09:24] <oimon> ali1234, you are judging all smartphones by one problem affecting a few usres
[09:24] <ali1234> that's just this phone
[09:24] <directhex> "my android sucks therefore windows phone is terrible" is extremely well-reasoned and well-thought-out reasoning
[09:24] <ali1234> windows phone is also terrible, though for slightly different reasons
[09:25] <ali1234> it crashes just as much sure. but it is also extremely limited in terms of configuration
[09:25] <oimon> whether WP is good or bad is irrelevant since it won't gain market share
[09:25] <oimon> my android never crashes
[09:25] <directhex> oimon, well, it might, given nokia's previously mentioned supply chain
[09:25] <ali1234> if you're used to symbian email/exchange stuff, WP7 is a joke
[09:26] <directhex> oimon, selling wp7 to iphone fanatics in the west is an uphill battle, but selling it to people with dumbphones in india or china? much better mark
[09:28] <ali1234> microsoft should have teamed up with RIM instead of nokia
[09:28] <ali1234> RIM is failing hard because their phones were aimed at business users but bought by teenagers
[09:28] <ali1234> nokia is failing because their phones are aimed at teenagers but bought by business users
[09:29] <ali1234> WP7 with all it's social stuff and gaming and xbox tie ins is a good fit for the teenager market
[09:32] <directhex> and msoffice. teens love msoffice.
[09:33] <ali1234> literally nobody at all likes ms office
[09:33] <gord> no i think teenagers still want an iphone
[09:34] <brobostigon> agreed, here where i live, if you are younger, you wouldnt be seen really, with anything else.
[09:35] <directhex> gord, yep. you want an iphone, you gawk at the price, and the salesman says "well, this samsung galaxy is almost an iphone, but half the price", and walk away adding to google's android activation figures
[09:35] <directhex> sunrise, sunset
[09:35] <brobostigon> almost an iphone, lol.
[09:35] <BigRedS> that's what the courts said!
[09:36] <brobostigon> they couldnt be more different,
[09:36] <AlanBell> they could be plenty more different
[09:36]  * AlanBell looks forward to an Ubuntu phone
[09:36] <brobostigon> true,
[09:36]  * brobostigon looks forward to his new toy for his birthday, 
[09:37] <BigRedS> many of the issues I have with android stem from it being an iOS clone
[09:37] <ali1234> yep, same
[09:37] <brobostigon> well, the decision for me, was either going with qnx or android. pnly viable systems.
[09:38] <directhex> brobostigon, trust me, when the salesman is selling, it's almost an iphone. "well it's just like an iphone, but it costs less, and you can do things you can't do with an iphone!"
[09:39] <directhex> notice how well samsung sells, with their totally-not-almost-an-iphone android skin
[09:39] <ali1234> touchwiz?
[09:39] <ali1234> it's horrible
[09:39] <brobostigon> directhex: thats a very vague, but close description, if you want to read into it.
[09:39] <directhex> it's vile
[09:39] <ali1234> and it crashes all the time
[09:39] <directhex> htc have the best of the horrible vendor-added android skins, which is depressing
[09:39] <BigRedS> Ah! Maybe mine didn't 'cause I stuck a different image on it
[09:40] <brobostigon> directhex: i have never played with there skin, so couldnt comment,
[09:40] <BigRedS> I treat Android phones like I used to treat Windows PCs
[09:40] <directhex> even huawei have their own skin now
[09:40] <BigRedS> first thing you do is reinstall without the crapware
[09:40] <directhex> BigRedS, if you can. lots of locked bootloaders on the market
[09:40] <brobostigon> BigRedS: or get a nexus, whch is basic android with none of that adware.
[09:40] <BigRedS> directhex: yeah, i'd not buy a phone that wouldn't let me
[09:41] <BigRedS> brobostigon: Yeah, I did nearly do that when I got the S3, but I figured I'd still end up sticking different images on it anyway
[09:41] <directhex> BigRedS, just remember that you are a statistical blip.
[09:41] <brobostigon> that is the good thing about my htc dream, it was unlocked and fully open, from the start,
[09:41] <brobostigon> BigRedS: true point, as i had to with my htc dream.
[09:42] <BigRedS> directhex: yeah, I'm generally something of an anomaly it seems
[09:43] <directhex> BigRedS, my attitude to android roms is it shouldn't be needed - if the out of the box experience is so crap that people are advised to bin it, then the out of the box experience is unfit for purpose. this includes, but is not limited to, vendors saying "2.3 is the only android version you will ever get, muahahaha"
[09:43] <brobostigon> BigRedS: last version they released for it, was android 2.1, i now have 2.3.7 , something newer wont work, due to storage and ram limitations.
[09:44] <BigRedS> directhex: it's not that OOTB is crap per se, just that there's several custom images knocking around that I prefer
[09:44] <brobostigon> but there are some android 4 version, that will work on the dream.
[09:44] <BigRedS> lots of people are quite happy with it, and I don't *dislike* them, but sometimes there's something else that I prefer and so I'll use that
[09:45] <directhex> BigRedS, every time i need to use my wife's phone, i find myself needing to resist throwing it through the wall
[09:45] <brobostigon> i think the only way to guarentee, is a nexus, or adp* .
[09:46] <directhex> nexus superseded adp
[09:46] <brobostigon> yes.
[09:46] <brobostigon> directhex: i am just saying adp to inlcude my htc dream in the equation.
[09:47] <directhex> well the dream isn't quite an adp1, iirc. missing camera? i don't remember the specifics
[09:47] <brobostigon> the dream has a back facing camera.
[09:47] <directhex> yeah, th adp1 doesn't iirc
[09:47] <brobostigon> ok,
[09:48] <brobostigon> close enough then.
[09:48] <directhex> http://wiresareobsolete.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/android-dev-phone-1.jpg
[09:48] <diplo> That conversation died a quick death, thought my irssi/byobu session had broke
[09:48] <diplo> ah it didn't :D
[09:48] <diplo> I was paged up ffs!
[09:48]  * diplo goes back to bed
[09:49] <BigRedS> Yeah, the ADP1, Dream and G1 were all identical as far as I was aware
[09:49] <brobostigon> directhex: that has a camera, it is behind that white thing on the back.
[09:49] <brobostigon> BigRedS: i agree,
[09:52] <directhex> i saw a teenage girl with a g1 at alton towers once. not what i expected the target market to be
[09:52] <brobostigon> cool
[09:54] <diplo> !info lint
[09:54] <diplo> Hmm, having a blonde morning... CSS code tidier uperer / cleaner ?
[09:55] <diplo> !info csstidy
[09:55] <popey> directhex, my nieces used to have hand-me-down phones, so often had unexpected phones for their demographic
[09:57] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:57] <diplo> Why does CentOS have to suck so much :(
[09:58] <BigRedS> because it's got to be like rh
[09:59] <directhex> diplo, because red hat sucks so mush
[09:59] <directhex> bah @ BigRedS
[09:59] <directhex> too slow :(
[09:59] <oimon> guys
[09:59] <oimon> i have centos5 machines on vmware, hdparm is giving 50MB/s, 6.x gives 130MB/s
[09:59] <oimon> don't wanna have to upgrade, any ideas?
[10:00] <brobostigon> eeeek system load of 200+.
[10:00] <directhex> kernel backport?
[10:00] <directhex> brobostigon, nothing wrong with that. you have 256 cores, right?
[10:00] <oimon> wondering if it's scsi drivers or sometihng else
[10:00] <brobostigon> directhex: no, just running apt-get update on my eeepc.
[10:01] <BigRedS> poor thing
[10:28] <dwatkins> Has the next version of Ubuntu after 12.10 been given a name yet?
[10:28] <BigRedS> "Thirteen oh four"
[10:29] <dwatkins> heh, so long as it's not something rabbit, as there's a commercial product I can think of that conflicts ;)
[10:29] <davmor2> czajkowski: PROD! morning
[10:36] <zleap> wahh  a lot of people wanted rampant rabbit
[10:44] <daubers> dwatkins: I'll put 5p on Raging Rhino
[10:45] <dwatkins> daubers: yeah, that's a lot less suggestive, at least :)
[10:45] <dwatkins> zleap: I'm sure they do, but there's a trademark
[10:45] <dwatkins> ...amusing as it is
[10:46] <zleap> ok
[10:46] <daubers> and 5p on Respectful Rhebok
[10:46] <zleap> yeah i think the idea thsat it was suggestive was the reason it was popular,  mind you that would attract attention i guess
[10:47] <dwatkins> it's not really in keeping with the spirit of ubuntu, though
[10:47] <zleap> yeah
[10:47] <directhex> rectangular ringworm
[10:47] <zleap> what is a rhebok anyway,
[10:47] <daubers> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Rhebok
[10:48] <zleap> thanks
[10:48]  * zleap is working on a short article for local community magfazine thing on the raspberry PI
[10:48] <zleap> magazine
[10:49] <directhex> relevant rattlesnake
[10:51] <zleap> when is the next podcast deadline ?
[10:51] <directhex> rhodesian ridgeback
[10:52] <oimon> just receivedd some very useful help in #centos \o/
[10:53] <zleap> :)
[10:54] <popey> zleap, for uupc?
[10:54] <zleap> yeah
[10:54] <popey> deadline for what?
[10:55] <zleap> send in stuff trying to promote the penzance hackspace and the PI jam being organised in August
[10:55] <oimon> US gunman kills 14 at batman film :(
[10:55] <oimon> 50 injured
[10:56] <zleap> i saw that,
[10:57] <popey> zleap, next show is 31 july
[10:57] <zleap> ok
[10:58] <zleap> can this get a mention please http://penzanceraspberryjam.eventbrite.com/
[10:58] <christel> mmmmjam
[10:59] <zleap> i know its in deepest cornwall but there may be people on holiday at the time or people in cornwall listening to the podcast
[10:59] <brobostigon> woop, my nexus7 just got delivered for my birthday. 2 day delivery, impressive.
[11:05] <zleap> brobostigon, nice
[11:06] <brobostigon> zleap: yes. :)
[11:06] <zleap> happy birthday btw
[11:07] <brobostigon> zleap: my birthday is in a weeks time, the 27th.
[11:14] <popey> brobostigon, where'd you order from?
[11:14] <brobostigon> popey: google themselves.
[11:15] <oimon> whats the diff between nexus 7 and samsung tab 2 7inch?
[11:15] <oimon> who make the nexus?
[11:15] <brobostigon> asus make the nexus7.
[11:15] <oimon> ah
[11:16] <brobostigon> i am not familier with the tab2's specs.
[11:16] <selinuxium> And as an official Google product you will get the updates straight from Google and not wait for the branding process to happen..
[11:17] <brobostigon> yes,
[11:17] <selinuxium> I am still waiting for ICS (officially) on my Galaxy S2... Had to root it and install myself..
[11:36] <diplo> oimon: Ref #centos, gotta be a first ?
[11:36] <diplo> :P
[11:37] <oimon> there was an extremely helpful and knowledgeable guy in there. he'll burnout soon
[11:37]  * MartijnVdS loves his JB Galaxy Nexus
[11:37] <diplo> I stopped going there as i found them rude and unhelpful
[11:39] <czajkowski> diplo: spoilt by #ubuntu-uk
[11:39] <czajkowski> not all channels are like Ubuntu channels
[11:39] <diplo> yeah, I've been in irc channels for 10 years + i guess but more quakenet
[11:40] <diplo> And tbh most of the quakenet channels I hung about in were like this one
[11:40] <diplo> #perl sucks as well
[11:40] <diplo> but some others are very good
[12:12] <daubers> selinuxium: Which operator are you with?
[12:12]  * daubers has ICS on his S2 and JB on his Galaxy nebus
[12:12] <daubers> s/nebus/nexus
[12:15]  * czajkowski loves JB!
[12:16] <directhex> and they still don't have >honeycomb on UK xooms
[12:16] <oimon> what's actually better about jellybean ?
[12:16] <selinuxium> t-mobile...
[12:19] <daubers> oimon: The cards thing is quite nice... not much difference otherwise really
[12:19] <oimon> cards? like webos?
[12:19] <oimon> don't think it's ready for touchpad anyway...
[12:20] <daubers> oimon: A bit. They're little information things that appear when they're useful. Like mine tells me the traffic on the way home at about 5:30 every day
[12:20] <oimon> cute
[12:29] <oimon> trying hard to contain my rage at the useless contractor we have on site
[12:33] <diplo> oimon: IT Contractor ?
[12:35] <selinuxium> daubers, I am on t-mobile. Who are you with?
[12:38] <davmor2> directhex: they have 3.2 on UK Xooms
[12:39] <davmor2> directhex: it's ICS they don't have
[12:39] <daubers> selinuxium: Vodafone
[12:41] <directhex> davmor2, still useless, buckets of new APIs in ICS
[12:42] <davmor2> directhex: indeed and they were meant to be rolling out ICS this month and then Google announced that the xoom will be getting JB by the end of the month
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> only if you have the US firmwares
[12:50] <oimon> diplo, yeah, oodles of them
[12:51] <diplo> I hate them oimon, generic i know but 90% of the ones I had in I just wanted to screwam at
[12:51] <diplo> scream*
[12:54] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: for the wifi noly I don't see why there is a difference the hardware is the same, it is only the 3g models that would change
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: US version doesn't have dutch localisation
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: but I think it does have GB localisation
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> I can check that tonight
[13:05] <oimon> diplo, these consultants are making me prejudiced against people from a certain area of the country
[13:07] <diplo> heh
[13:10] <christel> rawr
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> oimon: the north?
[13:14] <christel> is grim?
[13:14] <brobostigon> geordies ?
[13:15] <christel> there are grim geordies up north.
[13:15] <directhex> i think you're confusing things
[13:15] <directhex> it's not grip up north
[13:15] <directhex> it's definitely grim oop norf
[13:20] <daubers> directhex: It's becuase they just cannae dee it capn, they doona have the poowah!
[13:21] <directhex> they cannae break the laws of physics?
[13:21] <daubers> After a few tinnies, they believe they can
[13:26] <KungFuPanda> hi guys, how do I know the nvidia drive be installed successfully? I can see the nvidia X server settings.
[13:26] <directhex> KungFuPanda, that's probably enough, then
[13:27] <oimon> MartijnVdS, not gonna be specific to save the guilty
[13:27] <KungFuPanda> my system lose all animation, even the dash panel is not transparent.
[13:30] <oimon> diplo, still on cinnamon :D
[13:30] <oimon> however unity keep adding cool features that i will probably never use but intrigue me
[13:31] <directhex> i'm waiting for gnome 4, which just has one giant button, and you click it, and it does the right thing
[13:32] <christel> hrmph
[13:33] <KungFuPanda> used to be something in desktop, you can choose no effect , half effects, extra effects, where is it now ?
[13:33] <KungFuPanda> when you right click mouse, there is used to be something ?
[13:42] <diplo> Im back on unity, but still 2d. Will try full one again soon
[13:43] <diplo> Still use Gnome do to launch apps rather than super key
[13:43] <diplo> As super [13:46] <diplo> &frac14
[13:46] <diplo> oops
[13:46] <diplo> :)
[13:48] <popey> diplo, slow at what?
[13:49] <diplo> opening
[13:50] <diplo> Do opens instantly
[13:53] <diplo> 2-3 secs i guess for unity's
[13:54] <gord> the first time you open the dash it should be slow, but not the times after that
[13:54] <diplo> Nope, every time for me pretty much
[14:07] <diplo> http://askubuntu.com/questions/55342/unitys-dash-is-slow-and-taking-couple-of-seconds-until-its-shown
[14:07] <diplo> Never played with ccsm since 10.* days if then i reckon
[14:24] <oimon> can i use wine apps in unity 3d yet?
[14:25] <popey> i do
[14:25] <popey> i play limbo in unity 3d, that's using wine isn't it?
[14:25] <oimon> struggled with picasa and others
[14:25] <oimon> could not retrieve the window if i minimised it
[14:25] <oimon> due to launcher buggery
[14:25] <popey> sounds like a bamf bug
[14:26] <gord> its more due to wine apps being almost impossible to track
[14:29] <oimon> it stops the missis from using 3d since picasa > shotwell
[14:29] <gord> there is the regular linux version of picasa of course, but its several versions behind
[14:29] <gord> not sure why they decided to stop building that
[14:30] <oimon> however one of the worst bugs in ubuntu is the one where i am logged in another session, and she clicks shutdown, and it lobs you back to login screen
[14:30] <oimon> only recently introduced
[14:32] <oimon> bug 861171
[14:39] <oimon> popey, is limbo supposed to stutter?
[14:40] <oimon> seems jittery to me, unsure if it's video card related
[14:40] <popey> what an odd question to ask
[14:45] <oimon> ?
[14:45] <oimon> limbo is a weird game so i wondered if the sluggishness was a feature
[14:46] <oimon> watching youtube videos is incocnlusive
[14:47] <dogmatic69> got my raspberry pi today, not bad considering it was ordered yesterday
[14:47] <zleap> that was quick
[14:47] <oimon> would be even more impressive if it was vice versa
[14:48] <zleap> yeah
[14:48] <dogmatic69> lol
[14:48] <dogmatic69> I would be slightly worried if that happened
[14:48] <zleap> an quantum mechanics effect before cause
[14:48] <oimon> is rasbian the one to go for?
[14:49] <oimon> can't make the g+ red 1 go away :(
[14:49] <zleap> probably,  not sure on the status of the fedora port,  i think they fixed the issues didn't they
[14:50] <oimon> not sure what issues were but saw a tweet saying latest rasbian was much better
[14:50] <oimon> what a creepy word
[14:51] <zleap> there were issues to start with,  which was months ago
[14:54] <oimon> double checked the youtube vids and limbo sticks and stutters in places too, don't know if it's the screencap software though
[14:57] <oimon> bug 998591
[14:57] <oimon> assigned to:unassigned makes me sad
[14:58] <Twinkletoes> Anyone know how nagios translates the simple 'check_http' command into a form which contains the hostname?  I though there was a 'commands.cfg' file with all this in, btu I can't find it under the Ubuntu port of nagios
[15:07] <BigRedS> traditionally, with -H
[15:08] <BigRedS> you can do -H $HOSTADDRESS$ which (by default) uses the address of teh host the service is attached to
[15:09] <Twinkletoes> BigRedS: Yeah - I though all these commands were defined in commands.cfg, but it seems not
[15:09] <BigRedS> you can set it up however you like, we have no commands.cfg
[15:09] <BigRedS> they're in checkcommands.cfg
[15:09] <Twinkletoes> BigRedS: Does the port for nagios add the -H $HOSTADDRESS automatically, ie. withouth the aid of a config somewhere?
[15:09] <BigRedS> (which might be what you meant)
[15:09] <Twinkletoes> BigRedS: Ah, I must find that file
[15:10] <BigRedS> I think it does $HOSTADDRESS$ by default but I'm not sure
[15:10] <Twinkletoes> BigRedS: Do you know where that file 'checkcommands.cfg' is?
[15:10] <BigRedS> /etc/nagios/checkcommands.cfg
[15:10] <BigRedS> wait
[15:10] <BigRedS> this is nagios 1.x
[15:10] <BigRedS> you're probably running something from this century
[15:11] <Twinkletoes> BigRedS: I have 3.2.0 and there's a file called commands.cfg, which contained all this stuff when I was running it under FreeBSD, but it doesn't conatin it in the ubuntu port
[15:12] <BigRedS> our debian 3.x install has a commands.cfg
[15:12] <BigRedS> I've deliberately avoided it, though, so I don't know how it works
[15:13] <BigRedS> except it seems to be a excercise in inode exhaustion
[15:17] <Twinkletoes> :)
[16:13] <jacobw> debian 3.x /o\
[16:14] <Azelphur> hehe, I just installed debian+lxde on this laptop I have here, Ubuntu doesn't like it at all.
[16:14] <jacobw> how so?
[16:14] <christel> i have just realised that i have forgotten to eat today.. i blame mattt for telling me not to have icecream for breakfast
[16:14] <BigRedS> jacobw: ah, no, Debian 6.xm Nagios 3.x
[16:14] <jacobw> BigRedS: thank goodness, running sarge or woody now would be distressing
[16:14] <Azelphur> livecd doesn't boot at all (none of them, xubuntu ubuntu or lubuntu), took the HDD out and installed in a different machine and put it back in again, boots but touchpad, wifi, ethernet don't work, and don't even show up in lspci
[16:15] <jacobw> and you've installed debian now?
[16:15] <Azelphur> yep
[16:15] <Azelphur> seems to be handling it much better, I think debian is nicer for older hardware anyway
[16:16] <jacobw> i currently the netbook you sold to me for debian+awesomewm
[16:16] <Azelphur> :D
[16:16] <jacobw> small computer tiling it's display between iceweasel and a text editor is very useful
[16:16] <Azelphur> I miss that netbook haha, the inspiron duo I bought is not as good imo :P
[16:17] <Azelphur> tis a very nice netbook
[16:18] <Azelphur> when I can be bothered I'll probably put both my laptops up on ebay, and buy one semi-decent one
[16:18] <jacobw> my dell vostro is very nice
[16:19] <jacobw> well, it's just square, has a plain keyboard and doesn't do anything that annoys me
[16:19] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:20] <Azelphur> inspiron duo only has about 3 hours of battery life and has a few annoying Linux issues (kernel panics sometimes)
[16:20] <Azelphur> and I have my M1730 which is just a bit old now
[16:21] <jacobw> my boss has a newer vostro than i do
[16:21] <Azelphur> jacobw: happen to know how to get wifi firmware for debian for my USB stick? (Dunno what other information you'll need about the stick)
[16:21] <jacobw> i aspire to a newer vostro :p
[16:22] <jacobw> there's a package in debian which contains all avaiable proprietary firmwares
[16:22] <jacobw> in non-free
[16:22] <Azelphur> nice, I have nonfree enabled, know what the package is called?
[16:23] <jacobw> http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware/
[16:23] <BigRedS> jacobw: we have one woody box and at least a couple of sarges :)
[16:23] <jacobw> http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/firmware-nonfree
[16:24] <Azelphur> ty :)
[16:31] <Azelphur> jacobw: I installed linux-firmware-nonfree (firmware-nonfree seems to not exist), but it still says that my wifi adapter has missing firmware :(
[16:32] <jacobw> 'it'?
[16:32] <jacobw> as in, network-manager?
[16:32] <Azelphur> yup, network manager
[16:33] <Azelphur> right click the icon, it shows the "Wireless networks" section and says "device not ready (firmware missing)"
[16:33] <Azelphur> it's also interesting because ip addr has a wlan0
[16:33] <jacobw> check if your devices firmware is included in the package and if there's any special instructions to extract the firmware from the distributable binary in the wiki page
[16:33] <jacobw> ah, check rfkill
[16:34] <jacobw> and restart network-manager
[16:34] <Azelphur> rfkill? I restarted the whole machine after the firmware install
[16:35] <Azelphur> oO, I think I got it
[16:35] <Azelphur> found a zd1211-firmware package, which is my adapter
[16:35] <Azelphur> yup, working \o/
[16:37] <jacobw> good :)
[16:37]  * jacobw → home
[17:46]  * jacobw ← home
[17:50] <jacobw> Azelphur: have you played Max Payne 3?
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: | home
[18:45] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[18:46] <brobostigon> good evening bigcalm :)
[18:47] <bigcalm> Hullo o/
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> \o
[18:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: Yo!  'ow om ya
[18:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: terrible headache. Silly weather
[18:54] <christel> bigcalm \o/
[18:54] <bigcalm> christel: :)
[18:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: :(
[18:55] <bigcalm> Time to feed the kitty next door
[18:55] <bigcalm> Toodles for now
[19:08] <christel> i say
[19:11] <brobostigon> i say i say i say.
[19:12] <christel> haha
[19:12] <christel> <3
[19:13] <christel> i just referred a rugby game between my son and the virgin mary
[19:13] <christel> apparently they both won (i also won)
[19:13] <zleap> ok
[19:13] <ali1234> you mean "refereed"
[19:13] <ali1234> right?
[19:13] <christel> ali1234: thank you! i do indeed
[19:13] <christel> :P
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> reefered.
[19:13] <christel> MartijnVdS: haha <3
[19:14]  * bigcalm 's back once again
[19:15] <christel> welcome back, how's the kitty
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: renegade master, etc.?
[19:18] <bigcalm> christel: all purry :)
[19:18] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: that's the one
[19:25] <jacobw> wut?
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJR_dX8i0ww
[19:49] <mattt> worst song ever :(
[19:50] <bigcalm> mattt: I fear you are from a different time
[19:50] <bigcalm> Quite possibly, a wrong time
[19:50] <bigcalm> That track just cured my headache
[19:51] <mattt> if that cured a headache
[19:51] <mattt> then i dunno wtf.
[19:52] <bigcalm> :)
[19:53]  * oimon1 has a rare night by himself as the wife & youngling are away
[19:53] <oimon1> just enjoyed a good film
[19:54] <mattt> oimon1: what'd you watch?
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: Pokemon the Movie?
[19:54] <mattt> MartijnVdS: ha!
[19:54] <oimon1> french film called my best friend
[19:55] <oimon1> the trouble with imdb is that too many american heathens like to vote on "foreign" films
[19:55] <oimon1> so you should always discount the poor results
[19:55] <mattt> your wife and kid are out and you watch a foreign film?
[19:56] <oimon1> uh-huh
[19:56] <oimon1> what should i do?
[19:56] <mattt> DIE HARD
[19:56] <mattt> kidding
[19:56] <oimon1> i might play il2 in a minute too
[19:57] <oimon1> tomorrow i'm going to a men's breakfast. having a man weekend
[19:57] <oimon1> i've had 2 weekends to myself since i've been married (7 yrs)
[19:58] <mattt> wow
[19:58] <oimon1> i'm gonna do stuff in the garden in the afternoon..:P
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> chopping down trees?
[19:58] <oimon1> i should catch up on zelda, but need to find the battery charger
[19:59] <oimon1> MartijnVdS: that kind of stuff. although the lawn mower blew up last week
[19:59] <mattt> you going for this breakfast?  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-16757490
[20:01] <oimon1> lol
[20:01] <oimon1> going to this http://bit.ly/NnntqV
[20:02] <oimon1> mmmm raiding the fridge, raspberries and shortbread
[20:02] <oimon1> no ice cream left :(
[20:02] <mattt> oh :P
[20:02] <oimon1> guys, how do i make my update manager stop appearing?
[20:02] <oimon1> preferred it the old way
[20:02] <mattt> not sure, only use ubuntu on server :(
[20:03] <oimon1> what you use on desk/laptop ? dare i ask?
[20:03] <mattt> macbook :P
[20:03] <mattt> (os x)
[20:04] <oimon1> oh :-|
[20:06] <oimon1> you miss out on a lot of fun
[20:08] <mattt> yeah, i don't have space for a desktop at home tho, and i can't stand non-mac laptops
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: just upgrade before it notices there are new packages
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[20:10] <oimon1> i used to disable it with ubuntu tweak i tihnk
[20:10] <oimon1> u1 is playing up :S
[20:10] <oimon1> tried to publish a file, didn't work, now can't republish
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: blame it on aquarius :)
[20:11] <oimon1> took a copy of the file, works now
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: still, blame aquarius
[20:12] <oimon1> poor guy
[20:12] <oimon1> its the weekend
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> true
[20:12] <oimon1> here's my desktop atm
[20:12] <oimon1> http://ubuntuone.com/21uJd56xdyHrLk8VLL53uN
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> ah.. accordign to Twitter I can go back to BBC Four.. the shitty music is done
[20:13] <oimon1> i need to go take a photo of sometihng
[20:14] <ali1234> oimon: does IL sturmovik work good?
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: you had a big manly visit to the toilet and want to preserve it for posterity? ;)
[20:14] <ali1234> it looks like kind of a cool game :)
[20:19] <oimon1> ali1234: i bought it from gog. com works good on wine so far, on my intel gfx laptop
[20:19] <oimon1> and ps2 controller connected via usb adapter
[20:20] <oimon1> there;s also expansion packs the community have made
[20:20] <oimon1> to make it cooler
[20:21] <oimon1> my photo is related..i do like the "hide photos already imported" feature
[20:22] <oimon1> hmmm sometimes shotwell doesn't show thumbmails before you import :(
[20:24] <ali1234> i want to try out the ARMA series too
[20:24] <ali1234> but i heard they don't work well in wine at all
[20:27] <azelphur_> Anyone know if the Linux compatibility on this will be ok? http://bit.ly/NDd9IP
[20:27] <mattt> woo, the raspberri pi is slow
[20:29] <oimon1> my latest model, stuka tankbuster :D http://ubuntuone.com/6zdufdbFzdZFQ7PmM5Rky4
[20:29] <oimon1> ali1234: what's ARMA?
[20:29] <ali1234> basically a highly realistic FPS game
[20:30] <ali1234> it also has mods: http://dayzmod.com/
[20:30]  * azelphur_ nudges ali1234  with ^
[20:30] <ali1234> azelphur i dunno i bought intel wifi and it works good :)
[20:31] <azelphur_> hehe
[20:31] <ali1234> for 1.99 does it matter?
[20:31] <ali1234> it will almost certainly work
[20:32] <azelphur_> fair enough
[20:33] <azelphur_> found a £3 intel one
[20:33] <azelphur_> ali1234, it's more the delivery times I'd like to get it working some time this year :P
[20:33] <azelphur_> found intel one from UK though will be much quicker to deliver
[20:38] <n1md4> azelphur_: how you doing.  Do you have the URL for tha GFX comparison list?
[20:41] <azelphur_> n1md4, just google "passmark gpu benchmark"
[20:41] <azelphur_> and you'll find it
[20:41] <azelphur_> they do cpu benchmarks too btw
[20:41] <azelphur_> it also isn't the be all and end all, you should check game framerates and stuff too
[20:46] <oimon1> does anyone know a drink called purdeys
[20:47] <DJones> oimon1: I've seen it in the shops
[20:47] <oimon1> sainsburys etc sell it for £1.30 or more
[20:48] <oimon1> 99p shop sells 2 for 99p AMAZING
[20:49] <penguin42> oimon1: The price for a lot of things is entirely arbitary
[20:50] <oimon1> well, it's 99p
[20:50] <penguin42> oimon1: Watch how much they're sometimes discounted down to in the supermarkets
[20:50] <oimon1> purdeys is never found at less than twice the price anywhere else
[20:50] <oimon1> and chocolate orange , usually pounds more
[20:51] <oimon1> but yes, some items are not great deals
[20:58] <n1md4> Azelphur: keeeeeeewl! Cheers
[21:01] <gebbione_> hi , i am trying to put an avi into a dvd and tried with DeVeDe but looks like it did just rabbish as VLC does not recognize the dvd as video and plays only an empty 38 seconds track when it should be over 1 hour
[21:01] <gebbione_> in short what is the best software on ubuntu to take a divx etc and burn them as dvd videos?
[21:02] <Darael> !best | gebbione_
[21:04] <gebbione_> so this channel is about silence?
[21:04] <zleap> sorry was watching something
[21:04] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: bbc4, mark knopfler.
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: ALready recording ;)
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: but thanks :)
[21:05] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[21:13] <oimon1> gebbione: i've had a lot of pain with things like that
[21:13] <gebbione> :/
[21:13] <oimon1> but... oh he's work
[21:14] <oimon1> but i managed it, and don't remember what i did :(
[21:14] <oimon1> probably handbrake
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: no that's the other way around
[21:15] <oimon1> arghh
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> just use brasero and drag the video file to a DVD Video project
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> that should Just Work, I think
[21:15] <gebbione> brasero gave me errors earlier, i ll try again
[21:16] <oimon1> k3b?
[21:16] <oimon1> k3b never fails, brasero regularly for me
[21:17] <gebbione> i guess i ll look for k3b in synaptic
[21:18] <oimon1> bware it might pull in some dependencies if you don't already have qt applications (other kde apps) on your system
[21:18] <oimon1> ugh, i thought i heard the dog being sick, but i can't find anything
[21:18] <gebbione> so it is a kde app
[21:18] <gebbione> mhhh
[21:20] <oimon1> and it's a great one
[21:22] <oimon1> normally i'd be in bed 20 mins ago
[21:22] <oimon1> naughty me :D
[21:23] <mattt> oimon1: how old are you?  :)
[21:23] <oimon1> younger than p0pey, older than mattt
[21:23] <oimon1> born in the 70s
[21:24] <mattt> i'm also 70s
[21:24] <mattt> tail end tho
[21:24] <oimon1> the best thing about the 70s was growing up in the 80s
[21:25] <zleap> i was born in 1975
[21:25] <oimon1> i wonder if kids will reminisce about the rasp pi like we do about the bbc
[21:25] <oimon1> zleap: me too
[21:25] <AlanBell> me too
[21:25] <oimon1> the friday night shift on #ubuntu-uk is full of mid 30s men
[21:25] <oimon1> offtopic with a bit of ubuntu
[21:26] <oimon1> like the pub
[21:26] <zleap> possibly howefver lets hope that the idea opf programmable systems don't go away like they did or in 30 years time we will have to re-invent the rasp PI for the reason its out now
[21:27] <oimon1> reading about the guy they think did the shooting in the states. neuroscience phd student
[21:27] <DJones> \o/ I'm mid 30's :)
[21:28] <zleap> well hopefully as he didn't kill him self,  we may find out motives etc
[21:28] <oimon1> i've been to denver..weird place
[21:28] <zleap> kinda like totnes then
[21:28] <zleap> lol
[21:29] <oimon1> well, just a bit meh. i guess it's a good place to live if you wanna be near the ski resorts
[21:29] <oimon1> colorado is great for that and beaut scenery
[21:29] <zleap> and the broncos of course (footy team)
[21:32] <oimon1> the whole story sounds weird
[21:34] <zleap> yeah
[21:34] <zleap> he was even in a gas mask,  as if he thought he was like the dark knight (who i assume is the bad guy)
[21:35] <AlanBell> not quite, the dark knight is batman, but the adversary in this film wears some kind of mask thing
[21:36] <zleap> ah
[21:36] <zleap> sorry also playing harrier attack on speccy emulator - keep pressing down and crashing lol
[21:36] <AlanBell> saw an article a minute ago saying cinemas in america might ban costumes
[21:36] <AlanBell> out of the question that guns might be the problem sadly
[21:37] <zleap> grrr
[21:38] <oimon1> someone was arguing that civilians carrying guns would have minimised casualties...:-S
[21:38] <zleap> do guns kill people or do the wrong people with guns people
[21:38] <oimon1> how do you know a wrong guy ? this guy seemed quite nice
[21:38] <AlanBell> zleap: well that will have to be "F35 Lighting 2" attack in the next version I guess
[21:38] <zleap> i guess
[21:39] <zleap> its quite good, usual basic graphics,  rockets folow the plane so fire move up the rocket moves up,   can be a pain when that causes it to miss but generally useful
[21:39] <zleap> oimon, they usually do,  just hiding something,  that in sme cases they snap
[21:40] <zleap> imagine if people had guns to defend shops in last years riots
[21:40] <zleap> as in thungs smash in to shop,  owner shoots em dead
[21:40] <oimon1> i wanted to punch some faces today, but i didn't
[21:40] <mattt> ?
[21:40] <mattt> you can't do that
[21:40] <zleap> thugs
[21:40] <mattt> it's called illegal :)
[21:40] <AlanBell> then there would be lots of dead teenagers
[21:40] <zleap> what punching people or shooting people
[21:40] <mattt> well, both
[21:40] <zleap> AlanBell, or a quick end to the riots
[21:41] <mattt> the UK's not in texas
[21:41] <mattt> you can't shoot people on your property :)
[21:41] <zleap> i know
[21:41] <gebbione> oimon, when you add a video to the video project in k3b looks like it is just saving it as a data file and not converting it?
[21:41] <zleap> i was just saying imagine if the owners of the properies attacked could have actually used lethak force to defend those properties
[21:41] <mattt> they could have
[21:41] <mattt> they could have used other weapons
[21:42] <zleap> yeah then been arrested
[21:42] <mattt> exactly.
[21:42] <oimon1> gebbione: click more actions , then video dvd project
[21:42] <oimon1> new elementary video, any thoughts? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHY2ozxGPVE&feature=player_embedded
[21:42] <AlanBell> night all o/
[21:42] <zleap> i mean with zero come back,  on them,,   you break in to my hjouse, i paralise you,  you have no leg to stand on,   in fact I can then sue you for damages to my property
[21:42] <oimon1> don;t let the chickens bite AlanBell
[21:42] <zleap> anyway taht is off at a tangent
[21:43] <mattt> night alan
[21:43] <mattt> zleap: i hear what you're saying
[21:43] <oimon1> i get sent the most random misdirected mail..
[21:44] <oimon1> just got sent a pic of some fluorescent tubing
[21:46] <oimon1> right better go p/
[21:46] <mattt> you guys are getting old
[21:46] <oimon1> huh mattt?
[21:46] <oimon1> need my 9-10 hrs sleep man
[21:46] <mattt> everyone's off so early :)
[21:46] <mattt> night, rest well
[21:46] <oimon1> i'm not tired though
[21:46] <oimon1> :S
[21:46] <zleap> mattt, yeah,
[21:47] <mattt> paaartay
[21:47] <oimon1> just disciplined
[21:47] <mattt> ok, afk too, night all
[21:48] <zleap> I wonder how many of these speccy games they would get away with these days
[21:54] <zleap> lol  just loaded horace goes skiing and managed to get across the road,  get skis, get back and go down slope without crashing more than twice (3rd breaks skis) and getting run over
[21:56] <zleap> i wonder if this is the same company that wrote horace goes skiing http://www.beamsoftware.com/
[21:58] <zleap> hi soreau
[21:58] <soreau> yo
[21:58] <zleap> hows you
[22:39] <gebbione> oimon, i dont see a more actions option in K3b, my steps are 1-create new video project, 2- add video file -> then i just see the file in the project not formatted and not added under the VIDEO folder
[22:54] <Azelphur> does anyone know if you can write mini cds / business card cds in a standard drive?
[22:56] <gebbione> of course
[22:56] <Azelphur> fun, portable plop boot cd sounds useful :P
[22:57] <gebbione> a nicer website with impress.js is better imho
[22:57] <Azelphur> wat
[22:57] <gebbione> if you are going for business cards presentation
[22:58] <Azelphur> no, I was going for a plop boot cd
[22:58] <Azelphur> xD
[22:58] <Azelphur> just a portable one.
[22:58] <gebbione> just have it on usb
[22:59] <Azelphur> gebbione: plop is a boot manager that lets you boot from USB on laptops that don't support boot from USB, I already carry a multiboot USB stick
[23:00] <gebbione> is it really good at rescuing data?
[23:00] <Azelphur> gebbione: it pretty much only has one purpose, to enable laptops that can't boot from USB to boot from USB
[23:01] <Azelphur> because not all laptops can (especially old ones)
[23:02] <Azelphur> on my USB stick I have Ubuntu 12.04 (32 and 64bit), Xubuntu (64bit), Lubuntu (32bit) and Windows 7 Home premium (32 and 64bit)
[23:02] <Azelphur> so I have all bases covered there :P
[23:41] <dwatkins> all your base are belong to us