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rick_h_yummm, apis http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.04/javascript/index.html00:04
rick_h_almost makes me want to run unity for a day and see what I can integrate with it00:04
lluathat sounds like activex00:10
lluaskimming over it...00:10
rick_h_basically firefox/chrome extensions add some JS apis to your page you can use00:11
rick_h_that allow you an API to interact with the unity indicators, HUD, etc00:12
snap-lMorning11:48
snap-lUgh, I'm tired. Had a sinus headache that would not go away for anything11:48
rick_h_droidmorning tgif folks11:53
brouschNext F we'll be in Columbus12:00
rick_h_yep, finally got some work on my talk this week12:06
snap-lI worked on a ride. :)12:07
snap-lMan, I don't feel like last night happened. :)12:07
rick_h_good stuff, she all nice and quiet ride?12:07
snap-lYeah, nice and smooth12:07
rick_h_always love riding in a new car when you don't realize how slowly over time your older vehicle is louder/rougher than you thought12:08
brouschA new car?12:10
brouschVW Beetle?12:10
snap-lJetta12:11
snap-lBlack exterior, black interior12:11
brouschHawt12:12
rick_h_man, you've got balls to buy an all black vehicle while we're hitting 90s+ days12:14
snap-lrick_h_: And no sunroof. :)12:15
rick_h_yep, balls of steel12:15
snap-lrick_h_: I buy my vehicles for the 9 months we don't. :)12:15
brouschNo AWD?12:16
brouschWhoa ""Microsoft's announcement of a late October release date for Windows 8 was eclipsed by its earnings report, in which the computer giant posted its first-ever quarterly loss since going public in 1986. The loss stems from Microsoft's continued struggles with the online services division.""12:18
rick_h_well, they wrote off a giant $6B aquisition that failed12:19
brouschQuit RTFA. It's the headlines that matter12:19
rick_h_lol12:19
snap-lMy worst fear is they'll replace Ballmer with someone who can run the company more effectively12:26
snap-lWe need Microsoft to flounder like a big company. :)12:26
snap-lZappa on the headphone, and the windows wide open.14:26
* snap-l wonders what the weather is in Portland14:27
snap-l63F, mostly cloudy. Still has a hippie front hanging overhead.14:28
brousch63F and cloudy is perfect14:29
rick_h_yep14:29
brouschI'm moving to portland14:29
rick_h_it's early there still14:29
jjessebrousch, when you pack up, save room for me ok14:30
brouschActually I had an offer to work in Eugene, OR many years ago14:30
snap-lWTF?14:30
jjessebrousch, i almost worked in seattle14:30
* snap-l makes a note to stay at the Michigan border so you gents can't leave14:30
jjessewife didn't want to move across the country and so far away from familty14:30
brouschI didn't want to work in Foxpro14:31
snap-lbrousch: ++14:31
brouschrick_h_droid: How's the 7 treating you?14:59
rick_h_brousch: liking it. combined with that little bluetooth speaker it's a great music/etc device for around the house15:00
rick_h_my phone feels so small now15:00
rick_h_some of the apps are still kind of meh15:00
rick_h_and stuff I wanted to do like edit my presentation for pyohio fail since the drive client can only do docs/spreadsheets15:00
brouschH, I haven't tried that15:01
rick_h_yea, just happens to be the kind of stuff I'm messing with atm15:01
rick_h_it's a really nice browser though.15:01
rick_h_going through news, doing research, etc15:01
brouschThat just means there's still room for more new apps15:01
rick_h_yea15:01
snap-lYeah, looking over your shoulder I was impressed.15:02
brouschWith rick_h_'s 7 incher?15:02
rick_h_but there is a flicker issue going around it I want to get fixed for sure15:03
rick_h_yea, 7"15:03
rick_h_I do treat it more like a big phone tbh15:03
rick_h_but I've watched more youtube/netflix than I ever did on my phone15:03
snap-lrick_h_: I noticed that with the Nook15:03
rick_h_and irc, I gave up on the phone but run it all the time on the N715:03
snap-lThere are things that work so much better with a larger screen15:04
rick_h_yea15:04
rick_h_the magazine isn't great, I'd not do that on the 7"15:04
rick_h_so I can see room for the 10" to do some things15:04
rick_h_again, I've not 'created' much content on it so that might be a case for a 10" being better as well15:04
snap-lYeah, technical reading needs a larger screen15:04
rick_h_but it's replaced my phone for anything around the house really15:04
rick_h_well I still read on the kindle15:05
snap-lWait, which 10" screen are you referring? :)15:05
rick_h_and I've hit audible limitations so not done books on there yet since I use those mobile15:05
snap-lI thought that was the kindle15:05
rick_h_snap-l: just saying that a 10" tablet is probably better for 'creating' content on15:05
MaskedDriverI'm partial to my Xyboard15:05
rick_h_MaskedDriver: get jellybean on there... <315:06
brouschrick_h_: What resolution is the 7?15:06
rick_h_1280-by-80015:06
brouschI find the 1024x600 on the nook color to be just a little less than needed for viewing a 8.5x11 pdf15:07
MaskedDriverrick_h_: it's not rooted.. it's a work tablet so I can't :(15:07
rick_h_so far I'm more than happy for the price. Even if it's just a thing to read on around the house. not as warm as the laptop for that stuff. Sat on the front porch watching dilbert on netflix last night and I can't do that on the laptop15:07
snap-lI owouldn't own up to that regardless of the device. :)15:08
brouschYeah, and you can bring it within 6 inches of your nose for an IMAX experience15:08
rick_h_oh come on, little brainless time is good for you :P15:08
snap-lheh15:09
rick_h_brousch: yea, the speaker is weak though so love the bluetooth speaker for sure15:09
jjesserick_h_ do you do a lot of typing on your 7?15:24
brouschFast thumbs15:25
brouschI find the hacker's keyboard full version fits perfectly on 7"15:26
jjessei use swiftkeyX on my Android15:26
rick_h_jjesse: honestly, if no one's around I just use voice. It's that good15:26
jjessewow that's cool15:27
rick_h_jjesse: but I do have the swiftkey tablet I use and that works well15:27
brouschIs the speech to text done locally?15:27
rick_h_jjesse: yea, I had a whole multi-text exchange with the wife just via voice and it worked awesome but for one typo I think15:27
rick_h_brousch: not if you're online, but if you're offline it can run locally15:27
jjessethats pretty cool15:27
brouschIt's pretty slow online15:27
rick_h_e.g. it defaults to online and goes offline as backup15:27
rick_h_no, it's fast15:27
brouschAnd I've found it very bad in my knock knock jokes15:27
rick_h_jelly bean has made a big improvement even over ICS15:28
rick_h_my poor phone feels like a slow clunker now15:28
rick_h_and started to use the Google Now search thing for questions.15:28
brouschBut online should be the same for any android. I assume they use the same service15:28
rick_h_my favorite is asking it "what's the current weather in portland Oregeon"15:28
jjessemy 7 shows "ordered"15:28
rick_h_brousch: no, starting in ICS they send the text up as you speak15:29
rick_h_so it's translating before you're done talking and coming back. So you can really just sit and speak a paragraph and see it slowly form as you're speaking it15:29
brouschBut it should be the same engine15:29
rick_h_brousch: I'll show you at pyohio, it's fast15:29
rick_h_brousch: I don't konw, the fact that it exists locally makes me think it's got to be different15:30
rick_h_let's say that the time diff locally vs online is minimal that you'd have to be looking to realize it15:30
brouschHeh, I just realized my NC has no microphone15:30
rick_h_ah15:30
rick_h_the N7 has dual for noise cancelling15:30
brouschIt's not so much the slowness that bothers me, it's the bad translations15:30
brouschThat could help15:31
rick_h_yea, it's much improved in jelly bean15:31
snap-lbrousch: The Tablet has a mic15:31
snap-lbut I've never used it (that I'm aware of)15:31
rick_h_I did a test hangout and skype call off the tablet, worked out pretty well though the camera makes me tilt the camers where it's harder to read stuff off the screen15:32
snap-lOf course, this is an example of the bullshit apps on this device: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ghost-radar-classic-app-spud-pickles/1108295820?ean=294004387368215:32
snap-lThat's under productivity.15:33
brouschD00d. The B&N App store is junk15:33
snap-lIt's beyond junk15:33
rick_h_lol15:34
snap-lhttp://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/strobe-light-ninja-pig-studios/1107919835?ean=294004387157215:34
rick_h_bwuhahaha, got voidspace using whoosh https://twitter.com/voidspace/status/22633846966703718415:34
snap-lhttp://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/love-your-husband-peak-mobile-designs/1108210232?ean=294004386286015:34
snap-lrick_h_: Very cool15:34
snap-lOne less "use lucene"15:35
rick_h_that would have been a good talk idea, I should have done that doh!15:35
brouschIt looks like I could get a bluetooth mic for the NC15:35
rick_h_yea, "pure python to rule them all...well a chunk anyway"15:35
snap-lhttp://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/kitchen-timer-kidsandi-software/1108428121?ean=2940043878519 < This app is garbage too15:35
snap-lYou literally turn this clunky-ass dial15:36
snap-land it sits where and puts a notification event while it's counting down15:36
snap-lYou can't tell it "I want two minutes", you dial as close as you can15:36
brouschhehe15:37
brouschrealism!15:37
snap-lSO, as a simulator for why nobody uses those type of timers, it's awesome.15:37
brouschHm, this has no camera either. Maybe I need a bluetooth webcam with mic15:38
snap-lbrousch: And here's where you buy a Nexus 715:38
brouschHeh15:38
rick_h_right, after you spend $100 on extra gear you just spend $200 on the real thing and get latest android updates, dev environment, and nook/kindle apps anyway15:39
rick_h_but yea, I've started to collect bluetooth items lately for the phone/laptop/tablet15:39
rick_h_now the only problem is turning them on and they connect to the wrong device at first lol15:39
* rick_h_ listing to his google music over BT headphones to the cell phone at the coffee shop. 15:39
* snap-l still has your Bluetooth Apple keyboard.15:40
brouschHeh "The Bluetooth data bandwidth (2.1Mbit/sec) would limit a ΒΌ VGA video steam (320x240) to 3 frames per second. Bluetooth video would be very choppy at best."15:40
rick_h_snap-l: burn it :P15:40
snap-lhah15:40
snap-lbrousch: I think they have some tricks for newer versions of Bluetooth15:41
snap-lbut yeah, I think it's getting time for USB Wireless.15:41
brouschI'll just find a microphone. I never use a webcam anyways15:42
rick_h_yea, I still have this dream of wireless displays15:42
brouschI have the pnone if I really need it15:42
rick_h_my laptop says it'll do it, but linux doesn't support it at all15:42
snap-lhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_USB#Comparison_of_digital_RF_systems15:42
snap-lVersion 3.0 + HS of the Bluetooth Core Specification[28] was adopted by the Bluetooth SIG on April 21, 2009. Bluetooth 3.0+HS provides theoretical data transfer speeds of up to 24 Mbit/s, though not over the Bluetooth link itself. Instead, the Bluetooth link is used for negotiation and establishment, and the high data rate traffic is carried over a collocated 802.11 link.15:43
rick_h_http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/intel-wireless-display.html15:43
brouschDo I have to worry about Android compatibility if I'm looking for a bluetooth headset? Or do they just work?15:44
brouschI haven't bought a bluetooth anything in a decade15:44
rick_h_brousch: so I found most things just work, but there are crappy ones out there I think15:44
snap-lI'm not aware of any issues15:44
rick_h_I just go off reviews and make sure I get something well rated by a bunch of people so I know the chipset/hardware is good stuff15:44
snap-lI was able to pair my phone with the car last night before the salesguy knew what I was doing15:45
snap-lHad BT Audio with no problems.15:45
rick_h_awesome15:45
snap-lStilla little perturbed that the touch screen radio was only an option with the sunroof15:46
snap-lbut the radio that's in there is good enough15:46
rick_h_meh, touch screens I'm not too hot on anyway15:46
snap-lYeah, but would be nice to have RDS and the like15:47
rick_h_I've never had issues with buttons accepting my touch, firing at the right point, etc15:47
rick_h_RDS?15:47
snap-lhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System15:48
snap-lI've only had that on the Alero, and liked it15:48
rick_h_oic15:48
rick_h_right, yea I guess I didn't realize lack of touch screen meant lack of visual real estate for other stuff15:48
snap-lWell, it's still a dot matrix display15:49
snap-lhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRRMxubIoMU15:50
snap-lbrousch: Apparently you're getting Shawn Powers closeby16:05
snap-lhttp://www.brainofshawn.com/2012/07/20/its-official-and-a-bit-scary/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=its-official-and-a-bit-scary16:06
rick_h_lmao http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=427137816:07
snap-lWhat is Sparrow?16:07
rick_h_the cool kids app on OSX/iOS for mail16:07
rick_h_there's going to be a bunch of unhappy apple fanbois16:08
rick_h_so I laugh!16:08
rick_h_it begins! http://uploads.mitechie.com/sparrow.png16:08
_stink_haha16:09
jjessefascinating he went to cornerstone16:09
snap-lOh for fuck's sake16:09
snap-lNext we'll get jcastro saying mail on the desktop is ded16:09
snap-ldead, even16:09
* rick_h_ checks the transcript...16:09
rick_h_yep been there done that :P16:09
rick_h_the only problem with the N7 http://goo.gl/TleSP16:10
rick_h_I've started to get a lot of video off of AMZ16:10
rick_h_and I've wanted to catch the west wing, never saw it16:10
snap-lTHat's the problem with Netflix16:12
snap-lI've been watching documentaries. :)16:12
snap-lLike the one on the pruitt-igoe project http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt%E2%80%93Igoe16:12
snap-lhttp://www.pruitt-igoe.com/16:12
rick_h_best comment http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=427143016:23
* rick_h_ is dinking around on news waiting for a bzr push to actually go through *sigh*16:23
snap-lrick_h_: I think that's a bit harsh16:34
rick_h_snap-l: yea, since this is going to be a team put into UX/etc of the gmail stuff and not a product that is supposed to be moved/integrated16:35
greg-gI just get 'The requested URL could not be retrieved'16:43
greg-gbad timing http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/movie-gun-myths/16:46
snap-lgreg-g: And I await the crackdown on cosplay at movies16:46
greg-gactually, I haven't seen much, just a few tweets, haven't read any news on it yet, but all I know is it sucks16:47
rick_h_yea16:48
rick_h_friend from OH was at a hotel blocks away last night :/16:48
greg-geek16:48
rick_h_yea, guess he didn't get much sleep due to sirens for the night16:49
brouschShawn Powers?16:56
snap-lbrousch: Yeah, he's coming to live near you16:57
snap-lin GR16:57
brouschI wonder why he rented in south GR when he'll be working far north16:57
brousch131 ehll every day16:57
brouschhell16:57
brouschAh, Linux Journal16:58
brouschHm, time to recruit him for the various groups16:59
rick_h_hah16:59
rick_h_mmm, interesting point https://twitter.com/ericflo/status/22636033679675801617:00
snap-lrick_h_: Well, I'd be more worried of Yahoo bought Sparrow Mail17:06
snap-ljaiku and dodgeball at least got merged into the Google borg17:07
snap-land weren't left to flounder on their own with 100 managers saying "make it {favorite_color}"17:07
snap-lChill, people17:08
snap-lnow if you'll excuse me, I'm going to blog about how the weather channel is killing wunderground17:08
rick_h_hah17:09
brouschThanks for the heads-up17:14
brouschOK, I picked up a bluetooth car hands-free thing at lunch. It pairs, but it doesn't send audio out through it17:16
brouschI think it's being too smart and only routing phone stuff through it17:16
rick_h_yea, there's two types of audio devices, mono phone type, and stereo music stuff17:17
rick_h_and different apps need to be in different modes17:17
brouschWow, he responded already17:19
jjesserick_h_ i have several people saying they are now looking for a new mail client instead of sparrow17:38
snap-lI hear Thunderbird is done17:39
brouschGmail17:41
MaskedDriverExchange?17:46
rick_h_mutt never goes away :P17:46
MaskedDriverOutlook?17:46
MaskedDriver;)17:46
snap-lMaskedDriver: You can have my Exchange share.17:47
MaskedDriverrick_h_: I actually rock out an Exchange server17:47
MaskedDrivermostly to learn how it works17:47
* rick_h_ runs from exchange...never again17:47
brouschrock out?17:47
brouschIs that possible?17:47
snap-lYeah, like my parents rocked out17:48
MaskedDriverlol yeah.. no problems here17:48
MaskedDriversnap-l: I still rock out17:48
brouschThat's like saying you rock out in a Winebago17:48
rick_h_wait until a mailbox goes boom17:48
MaskedDriverrick_h_: impossible17:48
MaskedDriverplus.. backups ftw17:48
snap-lMaskedDriver: Oh hell no17:48
snap-lNot impossible. Every time Outlook creates an archive file, an e-mail gets its wings17:49
snap-lnever to be seen or heard from again17:49
MaskedDriverlol17:49
* snap-l can't remember the extension17:49
snap-lbut it was the equivalent of wrapping your mail in a binary blob and setting it on fire17:49
brouschwinmail.dat makes me want to kick puppies17:50
MaskedDriver*shrugs* no problems here17:51
MaskedDriveryou're just bad at Exchange17:51
rick_h_MaskedDriver: how many users? how long? how many upgrades?17:52
rick_h_I mean seriously, you're saying because you've not had a problem they don't exist?17:52
MaskedDriver1 user, 1 year, a lot17:52
MaskedDriver;)17:52
MaskedDriverlol we use it at work and we've never had data failure.. 150 users or so for about 5 years17:52
rick_h_ok, so let me know when you're admin'ing a system for a company for a few years and we'll chat then :)17:52
snap-lYou run Exchange personally?17:52
brouschIt looks like we found yet another topic to get rick_h_ all worked up with17:52
MaskedDriversnap-l: yeah.. technet supremacy17:53
snap-lMaskedDriver: It's not a quastion of if, it's a question of when17:53
MaskedDriverit's for development/learning purposes17:53
MaskedDriverI guess technically there are 10 users but I'm the only one that uses it regularly17:54
rick_h_brousch: I've wasted many a year trying to keep up exchange, windows pdas, outlook, offline pst files, and all crap. never want to see it again17:54
snap-lrick_h_: Those are the ones... .pst files17:54
snap-lI cringe whenever I see those17:55
jjessepst files are awesome17:55
snap-lthey're the cement shoes of mail data17:55
brouschOK, I missed this earlier. Sparrow, a OSX and iOS email app, was purchased by Google?17:56
snap-lbrousch: Did you think we were just talking about e-mail for the hell of it? :)17:57
brouschYes17:57
jjessebrousch, you mean you twitter or g+ feed isn't full of people "now i'm looking for a new mail app"17:57
snap-lSilly brousch. It takes an internet of rage-quit to get us to talk about something17:57
MaskedDriverok.. I sufficiently angered rick_h_, so I'm going back to work17:57
MaskedDriver:D17:58
brouschjjesse: I don't have a lot of Apple fanboys in my feeds17:58
jjessebrousch, hahaha17:58
rick_h_how can you follow python poeple without them?17:58
snap-lbrousch: You must not follow many developers17:59
brouschActually I haven't checked my feeds since lunch17:59
snap-lThat's when the Apple world grieved.18:00
snap-lhttps://twitter.com/Ihnatko/status/226372550500954112 <- Here's your dose of Portland18:00
snap-lEnjoy.18:00
brouschWhat's wrong with a little public nudity?18:01
snap-lI just report it18:05
greg-gI want all of the OSCON attendees to go through security naked tonight18:23
greg-gI think I convinced my old boss :)18:23
rick_h_9how is oscon treating you greg-g?18:24
brouschApparently very well if he wants to get naked with all of them18:25
greg-grick_h_9: a great time18:26
greg-gbrousch: maybe I should redefine my goal, maybe not *all*18:26
snap-lMoving the goalposts, I see. :)18:29
snap-lIt won't work unless we ALL do it. :)18:29
greg-galright, we'll all take one for the team, back to the original plan!18:30
snap-lhttp://garyc.me/bring/18:46
rick_h_test18:47
snap-lReceived18:47
rick_h_cool, tmux ssh session loaded on tablet18:47
snap-lNice18:47
rick_h_9hacker keyboard is cool with alt, esc, ctrl keys but much harder to use18:51
snap-lYeah, I think Microsoft is on to something witht he separate screen for keyboard18:51
snap-lI'm curious how the Surface will play out18:51
snap-lI think it'll be a flop, but have some interesting ideas18:52
rick_h_yea, the surface I'm not sold on18:54
rick_h_I think it's a prettier version of current laptops18:55
snap-lyep18:57
snap-lBut then again, that seems to be how people are using their ipads18:58
snap-lWOW was here. :)20:53
rick_h_9Hopefully they give you some good news21:04
snap-lWell, they replaced some stuff on the pole21:05
snap-lthing is, it's pretty much chasing ghosts21:05
snap-lIt didn't go down much today. Earlier this week I wanted to rip my hair out.21:05
snap-lAnd whenever they show up, it's beautiful sailing21:05
snap-lAlso asked them why their clock was off by so much21:07
snap-lHave to hand it to this tech: he wasn't the normal "here's your modem" "Have you tried turning it off and on again" sort.21:08
rick_h_heh cool, arbor networks emailed me21:08
snap-lWhat's the gist?21:09
rick_h_just recruiter-y stuff, but from arbor networks itself vs something generic21:09
snap-lAh, that's cool21:10
rick_h_just we're looking for devs, have top notch facilities and 'work/life balance'21:10
snap-lAh, those are nice to get.21:10

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