[00:04] yummm, apis http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.04/javascript/index.html [00:04] almost makes me want to run unity for a day and see what I can integrate with it [00:10] that sounds like activex [00:10] skimming over it... [00:11] basically firefox/chrome extensions add some JS apis to your page you can use [00:12] that allow you an API to interact with the unity indicators, HUD, etc [11:48] Morning [11:48] Ugh, I'm tired. Had a sinus headache that would not go away for anything [11:53] morning tgif folks [12:00] Next F we'll be in Columbus [12:06] yep, finally got some work on my talk this week [12:07] I worked on a ride. :) [12:07] Man, I don't feel like last night happened. :) [12:07] good stuff, she all nice and quiet ride? [12:07] Yeah, nice and smooth [12:08] always love riding in a new car when you don't realize how slowly over time your older vehicle is louder/rougher than you thought [12:10] A new car? [12:10] VW Beetle? [12:11] Jetta [12:11] Black exterior, black interior [12:12] Hawt [12:14] man, you've got balls to buy an all black vehicle while we're hitting 90s+ days [12:15] rick_h_: And no sunroof. :) [12:15] yep, balls of steel [12:15] rick_h_: I buy my vehicles for the 9 months we don't. :) [12:16] No AWD? [12:18] Whoa ""Microsoft's announcement of a late October release date for Windows 8 was eclipsed by its earnings report, in which the computer giant posted its first-ever quarterly loss since going public in 1986. The loss stems from Microsoft's continued struggles with the online services division."" [12:19] well, they wrote off a giant $6B aquisition that failed [12:19] Quit RTFA. It's the headlines that matter [12:19] lol [12:26] My worst fear is they'll replace Ballmer with someone who can run the company more effectively [12:26] We need Microsoft to flounder like a big company. :) [14:26] Zappa on the headphone, and the windows wide open. [14:27] * snap-l wonders what the weather is in Portland [14:28] 63F, mostly cloudy. Still has a hippie front hanging overhead. [14:29] 63F and cloudy is perfect [14:29] yep [14:29] I'm moving to portland [14:29] it's early there still [14:30] brousch, when you pack up, save room for me ok [14:30] Actually I had an offer to work in Eugene, OR many years ago [14:30] WTF? [14:30] brousch, i almost worked in seattle [14:30] * snap-l makes a note to stay at the Michigan border so you gents can't leave [14:30] wife didn't want to move across the country and so far away from familty [14:31] I didn't want to work in Foxpro [14:31] brousch: ++ [14:59] rick_h_droid: How's the 7 treating you? [15:00] brousch: liking it. combined with that little bluetooth speaker it's a great music/etc device for around the house [15:00] my phone feels so small now [15:00] some of the apps are still kind of meh [15:00] and stuff I wanted to do like edit my presentation for pyohio fail since the drive client can only do docs/spreadsheets [15:01] H, I haven't tried that [15:01] yea, just happens to be the kind of stuff I'm messing with atm [15:01] it's a really nice browser though. [15:01] going through news, doing research, etc [15:01] That just means there's still room for more new apps [15:01] yea [15:02] Yeah, looking over your shoulder I was impressed. [15:02] With rick_h_'s 7 incher? [15:03] but there is a flicker issue going around it I want to get fixed for sure [15:03] yea, 7" [15:03] I do treat it more like a big phone tbh [15:03] but I've watched more youtube/netflix than I ever did on my phone [15:03] rick_h_: I noticed that with the Nook [15:03] and irc, I gave up on the phone but run it all the time on the N7 [15:04] There are things that work so much better with a larger screen [15:04] yea [15:04] the magazine isn't great, I'd not do that on the 7" [15:04] so I can see room for the 10" to do some things [15:04] again, I've not 'created' much content on it so that might be a case for a 10" being better as well [15:04] Yeah, technical reading needs a larger screen [15:04] but it's replaced my phone for anything around the house really [15:05] well I still read on the kindle [15:05] Wait, which 10" screen are you referring? :) [15:05] and I've hit audible limitations so not done books on there yet since I use those mobile [15:05] I thought that was the kindle [15:05] snap-l: just saying that a 10" tablet is probably better for 'creating' content on [15:05] I'm partial to my Xyboard [15:06] MaskedDriver: get jellybean on there... <3 [15:06] rick_h_: What resolution is the 7? [15:06] 1280-by-800 [15:07] I find the 1024x600 on the nook color to be just a little less than needed for viewing a 8.5x11 pdf [15:07] rick_h_: it's not rooted.. it's a work tablet so I can't :( [15:07] so far I'm more than happy for the price. Even if it's just a thing to read on around the house. not as warm as the laptop for that stuff. Sat on the front porch watching dilbert on netflix last night and I can't do that on the laptop [15:08] I owouldn't own up to that regardless of the device. :) [15:08] Yeah, and you can bring it within 6 inches of your nose for an IMAX experience [15:08] oh come on, little brainless time is good for you :P [15:09] heh [15:09] brousch: yea, the speaker is weak though so love the bluetooth speaker for sure [15:24] rick_h_ do you do a lot of typing on your 7? [15:25] Fast thumbs [15:26] I find the hacker's keyboard full version fits perfectly on 7" [15:26] i use swiftkeyX on my Android [15:26] jjesse: honestly, if no one's around I just use voice. It's that good [15:27] wow that's cool [15:27] jjesse: but I do have the swiftkey tablet I use and that works well [15:27] Is the speech to text done locally? [15:27] jjesse: yea, I had a whole multi-text exchange with the wife just via voice and it worked awesome but for one typo I think [15:27] brousch: not if you're online, but if you're offline it can run locally [15:27] thats pretty cool [15:27] It's pretty slow online [15:27] e.g. it defaults to online and goes offline as backup [15:27] no, it's fast [15:27] And I've found it very bad in my knock knock jokes [15:28] jelly bean has made a big improvement even over ICS [15:28] my poor phone feels like a slow clunker now [15:28] and started to use the Google Now search thing for questions. [15:28] But online should be the same for any android. I assume they use the same service [15:28] my favorite is asking it "what's the current weather in portland Oregeon" [15:28] my 7 shows "ordered" [15:29] brousch: no, starting in ICS they send the text up as you speak [15:29] so it's translating before you're done talking and coming back. So you can really just sit and speak a paragraph and see it slowly form as you're speaking it [15:29] But it should be the same engine [15:29] brousch: I'll show you at pyohio, it's fast [15:30] brousch: I don't konw, the fact that it exists locally makes me think it's got to be different [15:30] let's say that the time diff locally vs online is minimal that you'd have to be looking to realize it [15:30] Heh, I just realized my NC has no microphone [15:30] ah [15:30] the N7 has dual for noise cancelling [15:30] It's not so much the slowness that bothers me, it's the bad translations [15:31] That could help [15:31] yea, it's much improved in jelly bean [15:31] brousch: The Tablet has a mic [15:31] but I've never used it (that I'm aware of) [15:32] I did a test hangout and skype call off the tablet, worked out pretty well though the camera makes me tilt the camers where it's harder to read stuff off the screen [15:32] Of course, this is an example of the bullshit apps on this device: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ghost-radar-classic-app-spud-pickles/1108295820?ean=2940043873682 [15:33] That's under productivity. [15:33] D00d. The B&N App store is junk [15:33] It's beyond junk [15:34] lol [15:34] http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/strobe-light-ninja-pig-studios/1107919835?ean=2940043871572 [15:34] bwuhahaha, got voidspace using whoosh https://twitter.com/voidspace/status/226338469667037184 [15:34] http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/love-your-husband-peak-mobile-designs/1108210232?ean=2940043862860 [15:34] rick_h_: Very cool [15:35] One less "use lucene" [15:35] that would have been a good talk idea, I should have done that doh! [15:35] It looks like I could get a bluetooth mic for the NC [15:35] yea, "pure python to rule them all...well a chunk anyway" [15:35] http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/kitchen-timer-kidsandi-software/1108428121?ean=2940043878519 < This app is garbage too [15:36] You literally turn this clunky-ass dial [15:36] and it sits where and puts a notification event while it's counting down [15:36] You can't tell it "I want two minutes", you dial as close as you can [15:37] hehe [15:37] realism! [15:37] SO, as a simulator for why nobody uses those type of timers, it's awesome. [15:38] Hm, this has no camera either. Maybe I need a bluetooth webcam with mic [15:38] brousch: And here's where you buy a Nexus 7 [15:38] Heh [15:39] right, after you spend $100 on extra gear you just spend $200 on the real thing and get latest android updates, dev environment, and nook/kindle apps anyway [15:39] but yea, I've started to collect bluetooth items lately for the phone/laptop/tablet [15:39] now the only problem is turning them on and they connect to the wrong device at first lol [15:39] * rick_h_ listing to his google music over BT headphones to the cell phone at the coffee shop. [15:40] * snap-l still has your Bluetooth Apple keyboard. [15:40] Heh "The Bluetooth data bandwidth (2.1Mbit/sec) would limit a ¼ VGA video steam (320x240) to 3 frames per second. Bluetooth video would be very choppy at best." [15:40] snap-l: burn it :P [15:40] hah [15:41] brousch: I think they have some tricks for newer versions of Bluetooth [15:41] but yeah, I think it's getting time for USB Wireless. [15:42] I'll just find a microphone. I never use a webcam anyways [15:42] yea, I still have this dream of wireless displays [15:42] I have the pnone if I really need it [15:42] my laptop says it'll do it, but linux doesn't support it at all [15:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_USB#Comparison_of_digital_RF_systems [15:43] Version 3.0 + HS of the Bluetooth Core Specification[28] was adopted by the Bluetooth SIG on April 21, 2009. Bluetooth 3.0+HS provides theoretical data transfer speeds of up to 24 Mbit/s, though not over the Bluetooth link itself. Instead, the Bluetooth link is used for negotiation and establishment, and the high data rate traffic is carried over a collocated 802.11 link. [15:43] http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/intel-wireless-display.html [15:44] Do I have to worry about Android compatibility if I'm looking for a bluetooth headset? Or do they just work? [15:44] I haven't bought a bluetooth anything in a decade [15:44] brousch: so I found most things just work, but there are crappy ones out there I think [15:44] I'm not aware of any issues [15:44] I just go off reviews and make sure I get something well rated by a bunch of people so I know the chipset/hardware is good stuff [15:45] I was able to pair my phone with the car last night before the salesguy knew what I was doing [15:45] Had BT Audio with no problems. [15:45] awesome [15:46] Stilla little perturbed that the touch screen radio was only an option with the sunroof [15:46] but the radio that's in there is good enough [15:46] meh, touch screens I'm not too hot on anyway [15:47] Yeah, but would be nice to have RDS and the like [15:47] I've never had issues with buttons accepting my touch, firing at the right point, etc [15:47] RDS? [15:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System [15:48] I've only had that on the Alero, and liked it [15:48] oic [15:48] right, yea I guess I didn't realize lack of touch screen meant lack of visual real estate for other stuff [15:49] Well, it's still a dot matrix display [15:50] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRRMxubIoMU [16:05] brousch: Apparently you're getting Shawn Powers closeby [16:06] http://www.brainofshawn.com/2012/07/20/its-official-and-a-bit-scary/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=its-official-and-a-bit-scary [16:07] lmao http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4271378 [16:07] What is Sparrow? [16:07] the cool kids app on OSX/iOS for mail [16:08] there's going to be a bunch of unhappy apple fanbois [16:08] so I laugh! [16:08] it begins! http://uploads.mitechie.com/sparrow.png [16:09] <_stink_> haha [16:09] fascinating he went to cornerstone [16:09] Oh for fuck's sake [16:09] Next we'll get jcastro saying mail on the desktop is ded [16:09] dead, even [16:09] * rick_h_ checks the transcript... [16:09] yep been there done that :P [16:10] the only problem with the N7 http://goo.gl/TleSP [16:10] I've started to get a lot of video off of AMZ [16:10] and I've wanted to catch the west wing, never saw it [16:12] THat's the problem with Netflix [16:12] I've been watching documentaries. :) [16:12] Like the one on the pruitt-igoe project http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt%E2%80%93Igoe [16:12] http://www.pruitt-igoe.com/ [16:23] best comment http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4271430 [16:23] * rick_h_ is dinking around on news waiting for a bzr push to actually go through *sigh* [16:34] rick_h_: I think that's a bit harsh [16:35] snap-l: yea, since this is going to be a team put into UX/etc of the gmail stuff and not a product that is supposed to be moved/integrated [16:43] I just get 'The requested URL could not be retrieved' [16:46] bad timing http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/movie-gun-myths/ [16:46] greg-g: And I await the crackdown on cosplay at movies [16:47] actually, I haven't seen much, just a few tweets, haven't read any news on it yet, but all I know is it sucks [16:48] yea [16:48] friend from OH was at a hotel blocks away last night :/ [16:48] eek [16:49] yea, guess he didn't get much sleep due to sirens for the night [16:56] Shawn Powers? [16:57] brousch: Yeah, he's coming to live near you [16:57] in GR [16:57] I wonder why he rented in south GR when he'll be working far north [16:57] 131 ehll every day [16:57] hell [16:58] Ah, Linux Journal [16:59] Hm, time to recruit him for the various groups [16:59] hah [17:00] mmm, interesting point https://twitter.com/ericflo/status/226360336796758016 [17:06] rick_h_: Well, I'd be more worried of Yahoo bought Sparrow Mail [17:07] jaiku and dodgeball at least got merged into the Google borg [17:07] and weren't left to flounder on their own with 100 managers saying "make it {favorite_color}" [17:08] Chill, people [17:08] now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to blog about how the weather channel is killing wunderground [17:09] hah [17:14] Thanks for the heads-up [17:16] OK, I picked up a bluetooth car hands-free thing at lunch. It pairs, but it doesn't send audio out through it [17:16] I think it's being too smart and only routing phone stuff through it [17:17] yea, there's two types of audio devices, mono phone type, and stereo music stuff [17:17] and different apps need to be in different modes [17:19] Wow, he responded already [17:38] rick_h_ i have several people saying they are now looking for a new mail client instead of sparrow [17:39] I hear Thunderbird is done [17:41] Gmail [17:46] Exchange? [17:46] mutt never goes away :P [17:46] Outlook? [17:46] ;) [17:47] MaskedDriver: You can have my Exchange share. [17:47] rick_h_: I actually rock out an Exchange server [17:47] mostly to learn how it works [17:47] * rick_h_ runs from exchange...never again [17:47] rock out? [17:47] Is that possible? [17:48] Yeah, like my parents rocked out [17:48] lol yeah.. no problems here [17:48] snap-l: I still rock out [17:48] That's like saying you rock out in a Winebago [17:48] wait until a mailbox goes boom [17:48] rick_h_: impossible [17:48] plus.. backups ftw [17:48] MaskedDriver: Oh hell no [17:49] Not impossible. Every time Outlook creates an archive file, an e-mail gets its wings [17:49] never to be seen or heard from again [17:49] lol [17:49] * snap-l can't remember the extension [17:49] but it was the equivalent of wrapping your mail in a binary blob and setting it on fire [17:50] winmail.dat makes me want to kick puppies [17:51] *shrugs* no problems here [17:51] you're just bad at Exchange [17:52] MaskedDriver: how many users? how long? how many upgrades? [17:52] I mean seriously, you're saying because you've not had a problem they don't exist? [17:52] 1 user, 1 year, a lot [17:52] ;) [17:52] lol we use it at work and we've never had data failure.. 150 users or so for about 5 years [17:52] ok, so let me know when you're admin'ing a system for a company for a few years and we'll chat then :) [17:52] You run Exchange personally? [17:52] It looks like we found yet another topic to get rick_h_ all worked up with [17:53] snap-l: yeah.. technet supremacy [17:53] MaskedDriver: It's not a quastion of if, it's a question of when [17:53] it's for development/learning purposes [17:54] I guess technically there are 10 users but I'm the only one that uses it regularly [17:54] brousch: I've wasted many a year trying to keep up exchange, windows pdas, outlook, offline pst files, and all crap. never want to see it again [17:54] rick_h_: Those are the ones... .pst files [17:55] I cringe whenever I see those [17:55] pst files are awesome [17:55] they're the cement shoes of mail data [17:56] OK, I missed this earlier. Sparrow, a OSX and iOS email app, was purchased by Google? [17:57] brousch: Did you think we were just talking about e-mail for the hell of it? :) [17:57] Yes [17:57] brousch, you mean you twitter or g+ feed isn't full of people "now i'm looking for a new mail app" [17:57] Silly brousch. It takes an internet of rage-quit to get us to talk about something [17:57] ok.. I sufficiently angered rick_h_, so I'm going back to work [17:58] :D [17:58] jjesse: I don't have a lot of Apple fanboys in my feeds [17:58] brousch, hahaha [17:58] how can you follow python poeple without them? [17:59] brousch: You must not follow many developers [17:59] Actually I haven't checked my feeds since lunch [18:00] That's when the Apple world grieved. [18:00] https://twitter.com/Ihnatko/status/226372550500954112 <- Here's your dose of Portland [18:00] Enjoy. [18:01] What's wrong with a little public nudity? [18:05] I just report it [18:23] I want all of the OSCON attendees to go through security naked tonight [18:23] I think I convinced my old boss :) [18:24] how is oscon treating you greg-g? [18:25] Apparently very well if he wants to get naked with all of them [18:26] rick_h_9: a great time [18:26] brousch: maybe I should redefine my goal, maybe not *all* [18:29] Moving the goalposts, I see. :) [18:29] It won't work unless we ALL do it. :) [18:30] alright, we'll all take one for the team, back to the original plan! [18:46] http://garyc.me/bring/ [18:47] test [18:47] Received [18:47] cool, tmux ssh session loaded on tablet [18:47] Nice [18:51] hacker keyboard is cool with alt, esc, ctrl keys but much harder to use [18:51] Yeah, I think Microsoft is on to something witht he separate screen for keyboard [18:51] I'm curious how the Surface will play out [18:52] I think it'll be a flop, but have some interesting ideas [18:54] yea, the surface I'm not sold on [18:55] I think it's a prettier version of current laptops [18:57] yep [18:58] But then again, that seems to be how people are using their ipads [20:53] WOW was here. :) [21:04] Hopefully they give you some good news [21:05] Well, they replaced some stuff on the pole [21:05] thing is, it's pretty much chasing ghosts [21:05] It didn't go down much today. Earlier this week I wanted to rip my hair out. [21:05] And whenever they show up, it's beautiful sailing [21:07] Also asked them why their clock was off by so much [21:08] Have to hand it to this tech: he wasn't the normal "here's your modem" "Have you tried turning it off and on again" sort. [21:08] heh cool, arbor networks emailed me [21:09] What's the gist? [21:09] just recruiter-y stuff, but from arbor networks itself vs something generic [21:10] Ah, that's cool [21:10] just we're looking for devs, have top notch facilities and 'work/life balance' [21:10] Ah, those are nice to get.