[00:04] <rick_h_> yummm, apis http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.04/javascript/index.html
[00:04] <rick_h_> almost makes me want to run unity for a day and see what I can integrate with it
[00:10] <llua> that sounds like activex
[00:10] <llua> skimming over it...
[00:11] <rick_h_> basically firefox/chrome extensions add some JS apis to your page you can use
[00:12] <rick_h_> that allow you an API to interact with the unity indicators, HUD, etc
[11:48] <snap-l> Morning
[11:48] <snap-l> Ugh, I'm tired. Had a sinus headache that would not go away for anything
[11:53] <rick_h_droid> morning tgif folks
[12:00] <brousch> Next F we'll be in Columbus
[12:06] <rick_h_> yep, finally got some work on my talk this week
[12:07] <snap-l> I worked on a ride. :)
[12:07] <snap-l> Man, I don't feel like last night happened. :)
[12:07] <rick_h_> good stuff, she all nice and quiet ride?
[12:07] <snap-l> Yeah, nice and smooth
[12:08] <rick_h_> always love riding in a new car when you don't realize how slowly over time your older vehicle is louder/rougher than you thought
[12:10] <brousch> A new car?
[12:10] <brousch> VW Beetle?
[12:11] <snap-l> Jetta
[12:11] <snap-l> Black exterior, black interior
[12:12] <brousch> Hawt
[12:14] <rick_h_> man, you've got balls to buy an all black vehicle while we're hitting 90s+ days
[12:15] <snap-l> rick_h_: And no sunroof. :)
[12:15] <rick_h_> yep, balls of steel
[12:15] <snap-l> rick_h_: I buy my vehicles for the 9 months we don't. :)
[12:16] <brousch> No AWD?
[12:18] <brousch> Whoa ""Microsoft's announcement of a late October release date for Windows 8 was eclipsed by its earnings report, in which the computer giant posted its first-ever quarterly loss since going public in 1986. The loss stems from Microsoft's continued struggles with the online services division.""
[12:19] <rick_h_> well, they wrote off a giant $6B aquisition that failed
[12:19] <brousch> Quit RTFA. It's the headlines that matter
[12:19] <rick_h_> lol
[12:26] <snap-l> My worst fear is they'll replace Ballmer with someone who can run the company more effectively
[12:26] <snap-l> We need Microsoft to flounder like a big company. :)
[14:26] <snap-l> Zappa on the headphone, and the windows wide open.
[14:27]  * snap-l wonders what the weather is in Portland
[14:28] <snap-l> 63F, mostly cloudy. Still has a hippie front hanging overhead.
[14:29] <brousch> 63F and cloudy is perfect
[14:29] <rick_h_> yep
[14:29] <brousch> I'm moving to portland
[14:29] <rick_h_> it's early there still
[14:30] <jjesse> brousch, when you pack up, save room for me ok
[14:30] <brousch> Actually I had an offer to work in Eugene, OR many years ago
[14:30] <snap-l> WTF?
[14:30] <jjesse> brousch, i almost worked in seattle
[14:30]  * snap-l makes a note to stay at the Michigan border so you gents can't leave
[14:30] <jjesse> wife didn't want to move across the country and so far away from familty
[14:31] <brousch> I didn't want to work in Foxpro
[14:31] <snap-l> brousch: ++
[14:59] <brousch> rick_h_droid: How's the 7 treating you?
[15:00] <rick_h_> brousch: liking it. combined with that little bluetooth speaker it's a great music/etc device for around the house
[15:00] <rick_h_> my phone feels so small now
[15:00] <rick_h_> some of the apps are still kind of meh
[15:00] <rick_h_> and stuff I wanted to do like edit my presentation for pyohio fail since the drive client can only do docs/spreadsheets
[15:01] <brousch> H, I haven't tried that
[15:01] <rick_h_> yea, just happens to be the kind of stuff I'm messing with atm
[15:01] <rick_h_> it's a really nice browser though.
[15:01] <rick_h_> going through news, doing research, etc
[15:01] <brousch> That just means there's still room for more new apps
[15:01] <rick_h_> yea
[15:02] <snap-l> Yeah, looking over your shoulder I was impressed.
[15:02] <brousch> With rick_h_'s 7 incher?
[15:03] <rick_h_> but there is a flicker issue going around it I want to get fixed for sure
[15:03] <rick_h_> yea, 7"
[15:03] <rick_h_> I do treat it more like a big phone tbh
[15:03] <rick_h_> but I've watched more youtube/netflix than I ever did on my phone
[15:03] <snap-l> rick_h_: I noticed that with the Nook
[15:03] <rick_h_> and irc, I gave up on the phone but run it all the time on the N7
[15:04] <snap-l> There are things that work so much better with a larger screen
[15:04] <rick_h_> yea
[15:04] <rick_h_> the magazine isn't great, I'd not do that on the 7"
[15:04] <rick_h_> so I can see room for the 10" to do some things
[15:04] <rick_h_> again, I've not 'created' much content on it so that might be a case for a 10" being better as well
[15:04] <snap-l> Yeah, technical reading needs a larger screen
[15:04] <rick_h_> but it's replaced my phone for anything around the house really
[15:05] <rick_h_> well I still read on the kindle
[15:05] <snap-l> Wait, which 10" screen are you referring? :)
[15:05] <rick_h_> and I've hit audible limitations so not done books on there yet since I use those mobile
[15:05] <snap-l> I thought that was the kindle
[15:05] <rick_h_> snap-l: just saying that a 10" tablet is probably better for 'creating' content on
[15:05] <MaskedDriver> I'm partial to my Xyboard
[15:06] <rick_h_> MaskedDriver: get jellybean on there... <3
[15:06] <brousch> rick_h_: What resolution is the 7?
[15:06] <rick_h_> 1280-by-800
[15:07] <brousch> I find the 1024x600 on the nook color to be just a little less than needed for viewing a 8.5x11 pdf
[15:07] <MaskedDriver> rick_h_: it's not rooted.. it's a work tablet so I can't :(
[15:07] <rick_h_> so far I'm more than happy for the price. Even if it's just a thing to read on around the house. not as warm as the laptop for that stuff. Sat on the front porch watching dilbert on netflix last night and I can't do that on the laptop
[15:08] <snap-l> I owouldn't own up to that regardless of the device. :)
[15:08] <brousch> Yeah, and you can bring it within 6 inches of your nose for an IMAX experience
[15:08] <rick_h_> oh come on, little brainless time is good for you :P
[15:09] <snap-l> heh
[15:09] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, the speaker is weak though so love the bluetooth speaker for sure
[15:24] <jjesse> rick_h_ do you do a lot of typing on your 7?
[15:25] <brousch> Fast thumbs
[15:26] <brousch> I find the hacker's keyboard full version fits perfectly on 7"
[15:26] <jjesse> i use swiftkeyX on my Android
[15:26] <rick_h_> jjesse: honestly, if no one's around I just use voice. It's that good
[15:27] <jjesse> wow that's cool
[15:27] <rick_h_> jjesse: but I do have the swiftkey tablet I use and that works well
[15:27] <brousch> Is the speech to text done locally?
[15:27] <rick_h_> jjesse: yea, I had a whole multi-text exchange with the wife just via voice and it worked awesome but for one typo I think
[15:27] <rick_h_> brousch: not if you're online, but if you're offline it can run locally
[15:27] <jjesse> thats pretty cool
[15:27] <brousch> It's pretty slow online
[15:27] <rick_h_> e.g. it defaults to online and goes offline as backup
[15:27] <rick_h_> no, it's fast
[15:27] <brousch> And I've found it very bad in my knock knock jokes
[15:28] <rick_h_> jelly bean has made a big improvement even over ICS
[15:28] <rick_h_> my poor phone feels like a slow clunker now
[15:28] <rick_h_> and started to use the Google Now search thing for questions.
[15:28] <brousch> But online should be the same for any android. I assume they use the same service
[15:28] <rick_h_> my favorite is asking it "what's the current weather in portland Oregeon"
[15:28] <jjesse> my 7 shows "ordered"
[15:29] <rick_h_> brousch: no, starting in ICS they send the text up as you speak
[15:29] <rick_h_> so it's translating before you're done talking and coming back. So you can really just sit and speak a paragraph and see it slowly form as you're speaking it
[15:29] <brousch> But it should be the same engine
[15:29] <rick_h_> brousch: I'll show you at pyohio, it's fast
[15:30] <rick_h_> brousch: I don't konw, the fact that it exists locally makes me think it's got to be different
[15:30] <rick_h_> let's say that the time diff locally vs online is minimal that you'd have to be looking to realize it
[15:30] <brousch> Heh, I just realized my NC has no microphone
[15:30] <rick_h_> ah
[15:30] <rick_h_> the N7 has dual for noise cancelling
[15:30] <brousch> It's not so much the slowness that bothers me, it's the bad translations
[15:31] <brousch> That could help
[15:31] <rick_h_> yea, it's much improved in jelly bean
[15:31] <snap-l> brousch: The Tablet has a mic
[15:31] <snap-l> but I've never used it (that I'm aware of)
[15:32] <rick_h_> I did a test hangout and skype call off the tablet, worked out pretty well though the camera makes me tilt the camers where it's harder to read stuff off the screen
[15:32] <snap-l> Of course, this is an example of the bullshit apps on this device: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ghost-radar-classic-app-spud-pickles/1108295820?ean=2940043873682
[15:33] <snap-l> That's under productivity.
[15:33] <brousch> D00d. The B&N App store is junk
[15:33] <snap-l> It's beyond junk
[15:34] <rick_h_> lol
[15:34] <snap-l> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/strobe-light-ninja-pig-studios/1107919835?ean=2940043871572
[15:34] <rick_h_> bwuhahaha, got voidspace using whoosh https://twitter.com/voidspace/status/226338469667037184
[15:34] <snap-l> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/love-your-husband-peak-mobile-designs/1108210232?ean=2940043862860
[15:34] <snap-l> rick_h_: Very cool
[15:35] <snap-l> One less "use lucene"
[15:35] <rick_h_> that would have been a good talk idea, I should have done that doh!
[15:35] <brousch> It looks like I could get a bluetooth mic for the NC
[15:35] <rick_h_> yea, "pure python to rule them all...well a chunk anyway"
[15:35] <snap-l> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/kitchen-timer-kidsandi-software/1108428121?ean=2940043878519 < This app is garbage too
[15:36] <snap-l> You literally turn this clunky-ass dial
[15:36] <snap-l> and it sits where and puts a notification event while it's counting down
[15:36] <snap-l> You can't tell it "I want two minutes", you dial as close as you can
[15:37] <brousch> hehe
[15:37] <brousch> realism!
[15:37] <snap-l> SO, as a simulator for why nobody uses those type of timers, it's awesome.
[15:38] <brousch> Hm, this has no camera either. Maybe I need a bluetooth webcam with mic
[15:38] <snap-l> brousch: And here's where you buy a Nexus 7
[15:38] <brousch> Heh
[15:39] <rick_h_> right, after you spend $100 on extra gear you just spend $200 on the real thing and get latest android updates, dev environment, and nook/kindle apps anyway
[15:39] <rick_h_> but yea, I've started to collect bluetooth items lately for the phone/laptop/tablet
[15:39] <rick_h_> now the only problem is turning them on and they connect to the wrong device at first lol
[15:39]  * rick_h_ listing to his google music over BT headphones to the cell phone at the coffee shop. 
[15:40]  * snap-l still has your Bluetooth Apple keyboard.
[15:40] <brousch> Heh "The Bluetooth data bandwidth (2.1Mbit/sec) would limit a ¼ VGA video steam (320x240) to 3 frames per second. Bluetooth video would be very choppy at best."
[15:40] <rick_h_> snap-l: burn it :P
[15:40] <snap-l> hah
[15:41] <snap-l> brousch: I think they have some tricks for newer versions of Bluetooth
[15:41] <snap-l> but yeah, I think it's getting time for USB Wireless.
[15:42] <brousch> I'll just find a microphone. I never use a webcam anyways
[15:42] <rick_h_> yea, I still have this dream of wireless displays
[15:42] <brousch> I have the pnone if I really need it
[15:42] <rick_h_> my laptop says it'll do it, but linux doesn't support it at all
[15:42] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_USB#Comparison_of_digital_RF_systems
[15:43] <snap-l> Version 3.0 + HS of the Bluetooth Core Specification[28] was adopted by the Bluetooth SIG on April 21, 2009. Bluetooth 3.0+HS provides theoretical data transfer speeds of up to 24 Mbit/s, though not over the Bluetooth link itself. Instead, the Bluetooth link is used for negotiation and establishment, and the high data rate traffic is carried over a collocated 802.11 link.
[15:43] <rick_h_> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/intel-wireless-display.html
[15:44] <brousch> Do I have to worry about Android compatibility if I'm looking for a bluetooth headset? Or do they just work?
[15:44] <brousch> I haven't bought a bluetooth anything in a decade
[15:44] <rick_h_> brousch: so I found most things just work, but there are crappy ones out there I think
[15:44] <snap-l> I'm not aware of any issues
[15:44] <rick_h_> I just go off reviews and make sure I get something well rated by a bunch of people so I know the chipset/hardware is good stuff
[15:45] <snap-l> I was able to pair my phone with the car last night before the salesguy knew what I was doing
[15:45] <snap-l> Had BT Audio with no problems.
[15:45] <rick_h_> awesome
[15:46] <snap-l> Stilla little perturbed that the touch screen radio was only an option with the sunroof
[15:46] <snap-l> but the radio that's in there is good enough
[15:46] <rick_h_> meh, touch screens I'm not too hot on anyway
[15:47] <snap-l> Yeah, but would be nice to have RDS and the like
[15:47] <rick_h_> I've never had issues with buttons accepting my touch, firing at the right point, etc
[15:47] <rick_h_> RDS?
[15:48] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System
[15:48] <snap-l> I've only had that on the Alero, and liked it
[15:48] <rick_h_> oic
[15:48] <rick_h_> right, yea I guess I didn't realize lack of touch screen meant lack of visual real estate for other stuff
[15:49] <snap-l> Well, it's still a dot matrix display
[15:50] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRRMxubIoMU
[16:05] <snap-l> brousch: Apparently you're getting Shawn Powers closeby
[16:06] <snap-l> http://www.brainofshawn.com/2012/07/20/its-official-and-a-bit-scary/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=its-official-and-a-bit-scary
[16:07] <rick_h_> lmao http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4271378
[16:07] <snap-l> What is Sparrow?
[16:07] <rick_h_> the cool kids app on OSX/iOS for mail
[16:08] <rick_h_> there's going to be a bunch of unhappy apple fanbois
[16:08] <rick_h_> so I laugh!
[16:08] <rick_h_> it begins! http://uploads.mitechie.com/sparrow.png
[16:09] <_stink_> haha
[16:09] <jjesse> fascinating he went to cornerstone
[16:09] <snap-l> Oh for fuck's sake
[16:09] <snap-l> Next we'll get jcastro saying mail on the desktop is ded
[16:09] <snap-l> dead, even
[16:09]  * rick_h_ checks the transcript...
[16:09] <rick_h_> yep been there done that :P
[16:10] <rick_h_> the only problem with the N7 http://goo.gl/TleSP
[16:10] <rick_h_> I've started to get a lot of video off of AMZ
[16:10] <rick_h_> and I've wanted to catch the west wing, never saw it
[16:12] <snap-l> THat's the problem with Netflix
[16:12] <snap-l> I've been watching documentaries. :)
[16:12] <snap-l> Like the one on the pruitt-igoe project http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt%E2%80%93Igoe
[16:12] <snap-l> http://www.pruitt-igoe.com/
[16:23] <rick_h_> best comment http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4271430
[16:23]  * rick_h_ is dinking around on news waiting for a bzr push to actually go through *sigh*
[16:34] <snap-l> rick_h_: I think that's a bit harsh
[16:35] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, since this is going to be a team put into UX/etc of the gmail stuff and not a product that is supposed to be moved/integrated
[16:43] <greg-g> I just get 'The requested URL could not be retrieved'
[16:46] <greg-g> bad timing http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/movie-gun-myths/
[16:46] <snap-l> greg-g: And I await the crackdown on cosplay at movies
[16:47] <greg-g> actually, I haven't seen much, just a few tweets, haven't read any news on it yet, but all I know is it sucks
[16:48] <rick_h_> yea
[16:48] <rick_h_> friend from OH was at a hotel blocks away last night :/
[16:48] <greg-g> eek
[16:49] <rick_h_> yea, guess he didn't get much sleep due to sirens for the night
[16:56] <brousch> Shawn Powers?
[16:57] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, he's coming to live near you
[16:57] <snap-l> in GR
[16:57] <brousch> I wonder why he rented in south GR when he'll be working far north
[16:57] <brousch> 131 ehll every day
[16:57] <brousch> hell
[16:58] <brousch> Ah, Linux Journal
[16:59] <brousch> Hm, time to recruit him for the various groups
[16:59] <rick_h_> hah
[17:00] <rick_h_> mmm, interesting point https://twitter.com/ericflo/status/226360336796758016
[17:06] <snap-l> rick_h_: Well, I'd be more worried of Yahoo bought Sparrow Mail
[17:07] <snap-l> jaiku and dodgeball at least got merged into the Google borg
[17:07] <snap-l> and weren't left to flounder on their own with 100 managers saying "make it {favorite_color}"
[17:08] <snap-l> Chill, people
[17:08] <snap-l> now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to blog about how the weather channel is killing wunderground
[17:09] <rick_h_> hah
[17:14] <brousch> Thanks for the heads-up
[17:16] <brousch> OK, I picked up a bluetooth car hands-free thing at lunch. It pairs, but it doesn't send audio out through it
[17:16] <brousch> I think it's being too smart and only routing phone stuff through it
[17:17] <rick_h_> yea, there's two types of audio devices, mono phone type, and stereo music stuff
[17:17] <rick_h_> and different apps need to be in different modes
[17:19] <brousch> Wow, he responded already
[17:38] <jjesse> rick_h_ i have several people saying they are now looking for a new mail client instead of sparrow
[17:39] <snap-l> I hear Thunderbird is done
[17:41] <brousch> Gmail
[17:46] <MaskedDriver> Exchange?
[17:46] <rick_h_> mutt never goes away :P
[17:46] <MaskedDriver> Outlook?
[17:46] <MaskedDriver> ;)
[17:47] <snap-l> MaskedDriver: You can have my Exchange share.
[17:47] <MaskedDriver> rick_h_: I actually rock out an Exchange server
[17:47] <MaskedDriver> mostly to learn how it works
[17:47]  * rick_h_ runs from exchange...never again
[17:47] <brousch> rock out?
[17:47] <brousch> Is that possible?
[17:48] <snap-l> Yeah, like my parents rocked out
[17:48] <MaskedDriver> lol yeah.. no problems here
[17:48] <MaskedDriver> snap-l: I still rock out
[17:48] <brousch> That's like saying you rock out in a Winebago
[17:48] <rick_h_> wait until a mailbox goes boom
[17:48] <MaskedDriver> rick_h_: impossible
[17:48] <MaskedDriver> plus.. backups ftw
[17:48] <snap-l> MaskedDriver: Oh hell no
[17:49] <snap-l> Not impossible. Every time Outlook creates an archive file, an e-mail gets its wings
[17:49] <snap-l> never to be seen or heard from again
[17:49] <MaskedDriver> lol
[17:49]  * snap-l can't remember the extension
[17:49] <snap-l> but it was the equivalent of wrapping your mail in a binary blob and setting it on fire
[17:50] <brousch> winmail.dat makes me want to kick puppies
[17:51] <MaskedDriver> *shrugs* no problems here
[17:51] <MaskedDriver> you're just bad at Exchange
[17:52] <rick_h_> MaskedDriver: how many users? how long? how many upgrades?
[17:52] <rick_h_> I mean seriously, you're saying because you've not had a problem they don't exist?
[17:52] <MaskedDriver> 1 user, 1 year, a lot
[17:52] <MaskedDriver> ;)
[17:52] <MaskedDriver> lol we use it at work and we've never had data failure.. 150 users or so for about 5 years
[17:52] <rick_h_> ok, so let me know when you're admin'ing a system for a company for a few years and we'll chat then :)
[17:52] <snap-l> You run Exchange personally?
[17:52] <brousch> It looks like we found yet another topic to get rick_h_ all worked up with
[17:53] <MaskedDriver> snap-l: yeah.. technet supremacy
[17:53] <snap-l> MaskedDriver: It's not a quastion of if, it's a question of when
[17:53] <MaskedDriver> it's for development/learning purposes
[17:54] <MaskedDriver> I guess technically there are 10 users but I'm the only one that uses it regularly
[17:54] <rick_h_> brousch: I've wasted many a year trying to keep up exchange, windows pdas, outlook, offline pst files, and all crap. never want to see it again
[17:54] <snap-l> rick_h_: Those are the ones... .pst files
[17:55] <snap-l> I cringe whenever I see those
[17:55] <jjesse> pst files are awesome
[17:55] <snap-l> they're the cement shoes of mail data
[17:56] <brousch> OK, I missed this earlier. Sparrow, a OSX and iOS email app, was purchased by Google?
[17:57] <snap-l> brousch: Did you think we were just talking about e-mail for the hell of it? :)
[17:57] <brousch> Yes
[17:57] <jjesse> brousch, you mean you twitter or g+ feed isn't full of people "now i'm looking for a new mail app"
[17:57] <snap-l> Silly brousch. It takes an internet of rage-quit to get us to talk about something
[17:57] <MaskedDriver> ok.. I sufficiently angered rick_h_, so I'm going back to work
[17:58] <MaskedDriver> :D
[17:58] <brousch> jjesse: I don't have a lot of Apple fanboys in my feeds
[17:58] <jjesse> brousch, hahaha
[17:58] <rick_h_> how can you follow python poeple without them?
[17:59] <snap-l> brousch: You must not follow many developers
[17:59] <brousch> Actually I haven't checked my feeds since lunch
[18:00] <snap-l> That's when the Apple world grieved.
[18:00] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/Ihnatko/status/226372550500954112 <- Here's your dose of Portland
[18:00] <snap-l> Enjoy.
[18:01] <brousch> What's wrong with a little public nudity?
[18:05] <snap-l> I just report it
[18:23] <greg-g> I want all of the OSCON attendees to go through security naked tonight
[18:23] <greg-g> I think I convinced my old boss :)
[18:24] <rick_h_9> how is oscon treating you greg-g?
[18:25] <brousch> Apparently very well if he wants to get naked with all of them
[18:26] <greg-g> rick_h_9: a great time
[18:26] <greg-g> brousch: maybe I should redefine my goal, maybe not *all*
[18:29] <snap-l> Moving the goalposts, I see. :)
[18:29] <snap-l> It won't work unless we ALL do it. :)
[18:30] <greg-g> alright, we'll all take one for the team, back to the original plan!
[18:46] <snap-l> http://garyc.me/bring/
[18:47] <rick_h_> test
[18:47] <snap-l> Received
[18:47] <rick_h_> cool, tmux ssh session loaded on tablet
[18:47] <snap-l> Nice
[18:51] <rick_h_9> hacker keyboard is cool with alt, esc, ctrl keys but much harder to use
[18:51] <snap-l> Yeah, I think Microsoft is on to something witht he separate screen for keyboard
[18:51] <snap-l> I'm curious how the Surface will play out
[18:52] <snap-l> I think it'll be a flop, but have some interesting ideas
[18:54] <rick_h_> yea, the surface I'm not sold on
[18:55] <rick_h_> I think it's a prettier version of current laptops
[18:57] <snap-l> yep
[18:58] <snap-l> But then again, that seems to be how people are using their ipads
[20:53] <snap-l> WOW was here. :)
[21:04] <rick_h_9> Hopefully they give you some good news
[21:05] <snap-l> Well, they replaced some stuff on the pole
[21:05] <snap-l> thing is, it's pretty much chasing ghosts
[21:05] <snap-l> It didn't go down much today. Earlier this week I wanted to rip my hair out.
[21:05] <snap-l> And whenever they show up, it's beautiful sailing
[21:07] <snap-l> Also asked them why their clock was off by so much
[21:08] <snap-l> Have to hand it to this tech: he wasn't the normal "here's your modem" "Have you tried turning it off and on again" sort.
[21:08] <rick_h_> heh cool, arbor networks emailed me
[21:09] <snap-l> What's the gist?
[21:09] <rick_h_> just recruiter-y stuff, but from arbor networks itself vs something generic
[21:10] <snap-l> Ah, that's cool
[21:10] <rick_h_> just we're looking for devs, have top notch facilities and 'work/life balance'
[21:10] <snap-l> Ah, those are nice to get.