| MaynardW1ters | hey guys, i am running ubuntu studio from a flash drive with persistent memory. I used a windows universal usb installer to install to the usb stick, does anyone know how to use the persistence? to keep data? | 15:42 |
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| holstein | MaynardW1ters: i always just do an install | 15:42 |
| holstein | i install to the USB device, and have a full normal install there with persistence | 15:43 |
| holstein | should be that when you make changes, those changes are saved in the persistent area | 15:43 |
| MaynardW1ters | so lets pretend I have a windows xp machine to work with | 15:44 |
| MaynardW1ters | i need to mount the ubuntu studio dvd | 15:44 |
| holstein | i dont use XP | 15:44 |
| MaynardW1ters | then when im going through the install simply point at the usb device | 15:45 |
| holstein | but, i dont think you need to mount devices in windows | 15:45 |
| holstein | anyways... you can have the hard drive out if you want | 15:45 |
| holstein | im saying, have the installation media, and the USB | 15:45 |
| holstein | do a normal install, selecting the USB as the source | 15:45 |
| holstein | or, read up on how you just made the USB stick you made | 15:46 |
| MaynardW1ters | holstein: i thank you for the suggestion, but right now i am able to boot from the drive, it does ask me if i want to install it everytime, but thats not a big deal, so im going first spend some time trying to get this working before I reinstall over it | 15:46 |
| holstein | sounds like you have a LIVE usb | 15:47 |
| holstein | thats the way it'll work | 15:47 |
| holstein | i would read up on grub | 15:47 |
| MaynardW1ters | when creating, it gave me the option of 4gigs of persistence which i selected, so i feel like it shouldnt be too hard to get it working | 15:47 |
| holstein | !grub2 | MaynardW1ters | 15:47 |
| ubottu | MaynardW1ters: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) | 15:47 |
| holstein | MaynardW1ters: sure.. but what gave you that? what is "it" expecting? is that from inside windows? do you need persistence? | 15:48 |
| MaynardW1ters | the universal usb installer 1.9.0.4 gave me that option when moving the ubuntu studio dvd iso to the usb, | 15:49 |
| MaynardW1ters | it was from inside windows | 15:49 |
| MaynardW1ters | I absolutely want the persistence | 15:49 |
| MaynardW1ters | I dont understand why grub would be playing a major part in this | 15:49 |
| holstein | a normal install will give you that and more and on a proper filesystem | 15:49 |
| holstein | MaynardW1ters: if you install as i am suggesting, you can install grub to the hard drive you have instead of the USB and "break" boot | 15:49 |
| holstein | if you are saying "how do i get a persistent booting USB" im anwering with, cont bother, just install to the USB and be aware of where grub is going | 15:50 |
| holstein | the end result is a fully functioning normal system on an EXT filesystem... if thats what you want | 15:51 |
| MaynardW1ters | so you are recommending that I end up editing the grub config on the internal hard drive, and have it pointing to the usb as a boot device with a 'proper' install on it, is that correct? | 15:51 |
| holstein | MaynardW1ters: i just install grub to the USB stick so its literally the same as now, just with a fully functional system with persistence | 15:52 |
| MaynardW1ters | yea you are right, currently the liveusb is on a fat32 filesystem, which will limit my file sizes. | 15:52 |
| holstein | im suggesting you read about and become aware of grub so you do not end up with grub on your main hard drive | 15:52 |
| holstein | in that scenario, the USB will need to be present for your system to boot *anything* | 15:52 |
| holstein | that will seem broken to you, even though that will be the default action | 15:53 |
| MaynardW1ters | i understand the basics of grub, and i am pretty sure i can avoid that problem | 15:53 |
| holstein | i have, in the past, just unplugged the internal hard drive, installed to USB as normal, and that gives a systemn that will boot, and have grub on the USB stick | 15:53 |
| holstein | MaynardW1ters: its automatic to install grub on your hard drive | 15:54 |
| MaynardW1ters | so, If I already have a liveusb of ubuntu studio, and I can boot to it, then it should be able to allow me to use that liveimage to install a proper system to that usb.... ill try that | 15:54 |
| holstein | MaynardW1ters: if it were me, i would either get a xubuntu alternate iso, install and customize the grub install location, and intall the ubuntustudio stuff... or, unplug the hard drive | 15:54 |
| holstein | MaynardW1ters: depends on how that USB stick is partitioned.. you wont be able to blow out the entire stick | 15:55 |
| holstein | i used to make one big partition, and not make a swap partition | 15:55 |
| MaynardW1ters | and now you do something different? | 15:56 |
| holstein | sure | 15:56 |
| holstein | i just have normal installs | 15:56 |
| holstein | i dont need USB booting systems like that.. and nothing in ubuntustduio will benifit from flash media like that | 15:56 |
| MaynardW1ters | so now you have swap, because ubuntu usually sets up some type of swap by default? | 15:56 |
| holstein | MaynardW1ters: in theory, you dont want swap on flash memory like that | 15:57 |
| holstein | MaynardW1ters: did i really care? no.. its just a USB stick, or flash card | 15:57 |
| MaynardW1ters | gotchya | 15:57 |
| holstein | but still, they have limited write cycles, and having swap can "chew" them up | 15:58 |
| holstein | did i have USB sticks with swap? sure.. would i bother not having swap? if i wanted a system for a long time, i might.. but i wouldnt lose sleep over it | 15:58 |
| MaynardW1ters | k | 15:59 |
| holstein | setting up a USB stick live with persistence was a pain though.. i did it once to say i could then i just started doing normal installs | 15:59 |
| MaynardW1ters | holstein: on my netbook, ive seen huge increases in responsiveness from gnome to xfce to fluxbox | 16:05 |
| MaynardW1ters | i understand ubstudio uses the subuntu as a base, have you tried any ultra light window mangers | 16:05 |
| holstein | subuntu? | 16:06 |
| MaynardW1ters | xubuntu | 16:06 |
| holstein | we use the XFCE ui.. we had the normal gnome2 before that | 16:06 |
| holstein | we will not be going any lighter than that for user experience | 16:06 |
| MaynardW1ters | k | 16:06 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu, and you can use any DE or window manager you like | 16:07 |
| holstein | all our packages are in the repos, and you dont have to use the metapackages | 16:07 |
| MaynardW1ters | i understand that, just wanted to hear about your experiences | 16:07 |
| holstein | you can install lubuntu, and install just what you want/need | 16:07 |
| holstein | MaynardW1ters: i use openbox on debian on a regular basis | 16:08 |
| MaynardW1ters | well im using an 11.04 and some of the newest stuff isnt in there, but i really like being able to use fluxbox | 16:08 |
| holstein | on my studio production machine, i am still running 10.04 with gnome2 | 16:08 |
| holstein | MaynardW1ters: you are "able" to use fluxbox with any version | 16:08 |
| MaynardW1ters | i understand, and will be trying that | 16:08 |
| len-dt | holstein, just so you know, there is a selection of where grub is installed on the live image. It is in the manual section. | 19:57 |
| holstein | len-dt: COOL.. i saw it blast right past it there for a while | 19:58 |
| len-dt | I have also found that if there is a drive I don't want grub on, I can just mount it before running install and the installer will leave it alone. | 19:58 |
| holstein | len-dt: thats a nice trick! | 19:59 |
| len-dt | I learned this from having my netbook end up unbootable once... | 19:59 |
| holstein | easier than pulling it out | 19:59 |
| holstein | len-dt: hehe.. yeah, thats how i learned too | 19:59 |
| len-dt | I know how to redo grub, but lots of people don't. | 20:00 |
| holstein | i just took a day and learned | 20:05 |
| holstein | i broke it in VM and restored.. broke it on a few boxes a few different ways and restored | 20:06 |
| len-dt | I know too many people who just panic. | 20:06 |
| holstein | i used to just calmly re install :) | 20:06 |
| len-dt | I had fixed LILO many times before GRUB showed up. | 20:06 |
| holstein | at first, im sure i would panic and not even relize what was borked | 20:07 |
| holstein | i really started using linux just before 8.04 released | 20:07 |
| holstein | fulltime | 20:07 |
| holstein | one of the mepis releases was my first fulltime linux system i ran and didnt break | 20:07 |
| len-dt | I started just around slackware .8 or something when I couldn't get OS/2 to do what I wanted. Never have run an MS system. | 20:08 |
| len-dt | I was running a BBS back before Inet got big. | 20:09 |
| holstein | nice... i need to do something like gentoo or arch... something that will make me learn a little more | 20:10 |
| holstein | im using debian on a daily basis now, but im not really learning much more | 20:10 |
| len-dt | I have only so much room in my brain... still learning lots already. The stuff about making packages is keeping me busy | 20:13 |
| holstein | len-dt: thanks for helping us with your talents! | 20:14 |
| len-dt | holstein, I can see why LTS is released as .04 and not .10 ... There is no one around in the summer ;-) | 20:15 |
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