[15:42] hey guys, i am running ubuntu studio from a flash drive with persistent memory. I used a windows universal usb installer to install to the usb stick, does anyone know how to use the persistence? to keep data? [15:42] MaynardW1ters: i always just do an install [15:43] i install to the USB device, and have a full normal install there with persistence [15:43] should be that when you make changes, those changes are saved in the persistent area [15:44] so lets pretend I have a windows xp machine to work with [15:44] i need to mount the ubuntu studio dvd [15:44] i dont use XP [15:45] then when im going through the install simply point at the usb device [15:45] but, i dont think you need to mount devices in windows [15:45] anyways... you can have the hard drive out if you want [15:45] im saying, have the installation media, and the USB [15:45] do a normal install, selecting the USB as the source [15:46] or, read up on how you just made the USB stick you made [15:46] holstein: i thank you for the suggestion, but right now i am able to boot from the drive, it does ask me if i want to install it everytime, but thats not a big deal, so im going first spend some time trying to get this working before I reinstall over it [15:47] sounds like you have a LIVE usb [15:47] thats the way it'll work [15:47] i would read up on grub [15:47] when creating, it gave me the option of 4gigs of persistence which i selected, so i feel like it shouldnt be too hard to get it working [15:47] !grub2 | MaynardW1ters [15:47] MaynardW1ters: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) [15:48] MaynardW1ters: sure.. but what gave you that? what is "it" expecting? is that from inside windows? do you need persistence? [15:49] the universal usb installer 1.9.0.4 gave me that option when moving the ubuntu studio dvd iso to the usb, [15:49] it was from inside windows [15:49] I absolutely want the persistence [15:49] I dont understand why grub would be playing a major part in this [15:49] a normal install will give you that and more and on a proper filesystem [15:49] MaynardW1ters: if you install as i am suggesting, you can install grub to the hard drive you have instead of the USB and "break" boot [15:50] if you are saying "how do i get a persistent booting USB" im anwering with, cont bother, just install to the USB and be aware of where grub is going [15:51] the end result is a fully functioning normal system on an EXT filesystem... if thats what you want [15:51] so you are recommending that I end up editing the grub config on the internal hard drive, and have it pointing to the usb as a boot device with a 'proper' install on it, is that correct? [15:52] MaynardW1ters: i just install grub to the USB stick so its literally the same as now, just with a fully functional system with persistence [15:52] yea you are right, currently the liveusb is on a fat32 filesystem, which will limit my file sizes. [15:52] im suggesting you read about and become aware of grub so you do not end up with grub on your main hard drive [15:52] in that scenario, the USB will need to be present for your system to boot *anything* [15:53] that will seem broken to you, even though that will be the default action [15:53] i understand the basics of grub, and i am pretty sure i can avoid that problem [15:53] i have, in the past, just unplugged the internal hard drive, installed to USB as normal, and that gives a systemn that will boot, and have grub on the USB stick [15:54] MaynardW1ters: its automatic to install grub on your hard drive [15:54] so, If I already have a liveusb of ubuntu studio, and I can boot to it, then it should be able to allow me to use that liveimage to install a proper system to that usb.... ill try that [15:54] MaynardW1ters: if it were me, i would either get a xubuntu alternate iso, install and customize the grub install location, and intall the ubuntustudio stuff... or, unplug the hard drive [15:55] MaynardW1ters: depends on how that USB stick is partitioned.. you wont be able to blow out the entire stick [15:55] i used to make one big partition, and not make a swap partition [15:56] and now you do something different? [15:56] sure [15:56] i just have normal installs [15:56] i dont need USB booting systems like that.. and nothing in ubuntustduio will benifit from flash media like that [15:56] so now you have swap, because ubuntu usually sets up some type of swap by default? [15:57] MaynardW1ters: in theory, you dont want swap on flash memory like that [15:57] MaynardW1ters: did i really care? no.. its just a USB stick, or flash card [15:57] gotchya [15:58] but still, they have limited write cycles, and having swap can "chew" them up [15:58] did i have USB sticks with swap? sure.. would i bother not having swap? if i wanted a system for a long time, i might.. but i wouldnt lose sleep over it [15:59] k [15:59] setting up a USB stick live with persistence was a pain though.. i did it once to say i could then i just started doing normal installs [16:05] holstein: on my netbook, ive seen huge increases in responsiveness from gnome to xfce to fluxbox [16:05] i understand ubstudio uses the subuntu as a base, have you tried any ultra light window mangers [16:06] subuntu? [16:06] xubuntu [16:06] we use the XFCE ui.. we had the normal gnome2 before that [16:06] we will not be going any lighter than that for user experience [16:06] k [16:07] ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu, and you can use any DE or window manager you like [16:07] all our packages are in the repos, and you dont have to use the metapackages [16:07] i understand that, just wanted to hear about your experiences [16:07] you can install lubuntu, and install just what you want/need [16:08] MaynardW1ters: i use openbox on debian on a regular basis [16:08] well im using an 11.04 and some of the newest stuff isnt in there, but i really like being able to use fluxbox [16:08] on my studio production machine, i am still running 10.04 with gnome2 [16:08] MaynardW1ters: you are "able" to use fluxbox with any version [16:08] i understand, and will be trying that [19:57] holstein, just so you know, there is a selection of where grub is installed on the live image. It is in the manual section. [19:58] len-dt: COOL.. i saw it blast right past it there for a while [19:58] I have also found that if there is a drive I don't want grub on, I can just mount it before running install and the installer will leave it alone. [19:59] len-dt: thats a nice trick! [19:59] I learned this from having my netbook end up unbootable once... [19:59] easier than pulling it out [19:59] len-dt: hehe.. yeah, thats how i learned too [20:00] I know how to redo grub, but lots of people don't. [20:05] i just took a day and learned [20:06] i broke it in VM and restored.. broke it on a few boxes a few different ways and restored [20:06] I know too many people who just panic. [20:06] i used to just calmly re install :) [20:06] I had fixed LILO many times before GRUB showed up. [20:07] at first, im sure i would panic and not even relize what was borked [20:07] i really started using linux just before 8.04 released [20:07] fulltime [20:07] one of the mepis releases was my first fulltime linux system i ran and didnt break [20:08] I started just around slackware .8 or something when I couldn't get OS/2 to do what I wanted. Never have run an MS system. [20:09] I was running a BBS back before Inet got big. [20:10] nice... i need to do something like gentoo or arch... something that will make me learn a little more [20:10] im using debian on a daily basis now, but im not really learning much more [20:13] I have only so much room in my brain... still learning lots already. The stuff about making packages is keeping me busy [20:14] len-dt: thanks for helping us with your talents! [20:15] holstein, I can see why LTS is released as .04 and not .10 ... There is no one around in the summer ;-)