[15:42] <MaynardW1ters> hey guys, i am running ubuntu studio from a flash drive with persistent memory. I used a windows universal usb installer to install to the usb stick, does anyone know how to use the persistence? to keep data?
[15:42] <holstein> MaynardW1ters: i always just do an install
[15:43] <holstein> i install to the USB device, and have a full normal install there with persistence
[15:43] <holstein> should be that when you make changes, those changes are saved in the persistent area
[15:44] <MaynardW1ters> so lets pretend I have a windows xp machine to work with
[15:44] <MaynardW1ters> i need to mount the ubuntu studio dvd
[15:44] <holstein> i dont use XP
[15:45] <MaynardW1ters> then when im going through the install simply point at the usb device
[15:45] <holstein> but, i dont think you need to mount devices in windows
[15:45] <holstein> anyways... you can have the hard drive out if you want
[15:45] <holstein> im saying, have the installation media, and the USB
[15:45] <holstein> do a normal install, selecting the USB as the source
[15:46] <holstein> or, read up on how you just made the USB stick you made
[15:46] <MaynardW1ters> holstein: i thank you for the suggestion, but right now i am able to boot from the drive, it does ask me if i want to install it everytime, but thats not a big deal, so im going first spend some time trying to get this working before I reinstall over it
[15:47] <holstein> sounds like you have a LIVE usb
[15:47] <holstein> thats the way it'll work
[15:47] <holstein> i would read up on grub
[15:47] <MaynardW1ters> when creating, it gave me the option of 4gigs of persistence which i selected, so i feel like it shouldnt be too hard to get it working
[15:47] <holstein> !grub2 | MaynardW1ters
[15:48] <holstein> MaynardW1ters: sure.. but what gave you that? what is "it" expecting? is that from inside windows? do you need persistence?
[15:49] <MaynardW1ters> the universal usb installer 1.9.0.4 gave me that option when moving the ubuntu studio dvd iso to the usb,
[15:49] <MaynardW1ters> it was from inside windows
[15:49] <MaynardW1ters> I absolutely want the persistence
[15:49] <MaynardW1ters> I dont understand why grub would be playing a major part in this
[15:49] <holstein> a normal install will give you that and more and on a proper filesystem
[15:49] <holstein> MaynardW1ters: if you install as i am suggesting, you can install grub to the hard drive you have instead of the USB and "break" boot
[15:50] <holstein> if you are saying "how do i get a persistent booting USB" im anwering with, cont bother, just install to the USB and be aware of where grub is going
[15:51] <holstein> the end result is a fully functioning normal system on an EXT filesystem... if thats what you want
[15:51] <MaynardW1ters> so you are recommending that I end up editing the grub config on the internal hard drive, and have it pointing to the usb as a boot device with a 'proper' install on it, is that correct?
[15:52] <holstein> MaynardW1ters: i just install grub to the USB stick so its literally the same as now, just with a fully functional system with persistence
[15:52] <MaynardW1ters> yea you are right, currently the liveusb is on a fat32 filesystem, which will limit my file sizes.
[15:52] <holstein> im suggesting you read about and become aware of grub so you do not end up with grub on your main hard drive
[15:52] <holstein> in that scenario, the USB will need to be present for your system to boot *anything*
[15:53] <holstein> that will seem broken to you, even though that will be the default action
[15:53] <MaynardW1ters> i understand the basics of grub, and i am pretty sure i can avoid that problem
[15:53] <holstein> i have, in the past, just unplugged the internal hard drive, installed to USB as normal, and that gives a systemn that will boot, and have grub on the USB stick
[15:54] <holstein> MaynardW1ters: its automatic to install grub on your hard drive
[15:54] <MaynardW1ters> so, If I already have a liveusb of ubuntu studio, and I can boot to it, then it should be able to allow me to use that liveimage to install a proper system to that usb.... ill try that
[15:54] <holstein> MaynardW1ters: if it were me, i would either get a xubuntu alternate iso, install and customize the grub install location, and intall the ubuntustudio stuff... or, unplug the hard drive
[15:55] <holstein> MaynardW1ters: depends on how that USB stick is partitioned.. you wont be able to blow out the entire stick
[15:55] <holstein> i used to make one big partition, and not make a swap partition
[15:56] <MaynardW1ters> and now you do something different?
[15:56] <holstein> sure
[15:56] <holstein> i just have normal installs
[15:56] <holstein> i dont need USB booting systems like that.. and nothing in ubuntustduio will benifit from flash media like that
[15:56] <MaynardW1ters> so now you have swap, because ubuntu usually sets up some type of swap by default?
[15:57] <holstein> MaynardW1ters: in theory, you dont want swap on flash memory like that
[15:57] <holstein> MaynardW1ters: did i really care? no.. its just a USB stick, or flash card
[15:57] <MaynardW1ters> gotchya
[15:58] <holstein> but still, they have limited write cycles, and having swap can "chew" them up
[15:58] <holstein> did i have USB sticks with swap? sure.. would i bother not having swap? if i wanted a system for a long time, i might.. but i wouldnt lose sleep over it
[15:59] <MaynardW1ters> k
[15:59] <holstein> setting up a USB stick live with persistence was a pain though.. i did it once to say i could then i just started doing normal installs
[16:05] <MaynardW1ters> holstein: on my netbook, ive seen huge increases in responsiveness from gnome to xfce to fluxbox
[16:05] <MaynardW1ters> i understand ubstudio uses the subuntu as a base, have you tried any ultra light window mangers
[16:06] <holstein> subuntu?
[16:06] <MaynardW1ters> xubuntu
[16:06] <holstein> we use the XFCE ui.. we had the normal gnome2 before that
[16:06] <holstein> we will not be going any lighter than that for user experience
[16:06] <MaynardW1ters> k
[16:07] <holstein> ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu, and you can use any DE or window manager you like
[16:07] <holstein> all our packages are in the repos, and you dont have to use the metapackages
[16:07] <MaynardW1ters> i understand that, just wanted to hear about your experiences
[16:07] <holstein> you can install lubuntu, and install just what you want/need
[16:08] <holstein> MaynardW1ters: i use openbox on debian on a regular basis
[16:08] <MaynardW1ters> well im using an 11.04 and some of the newest stuff isnt in there, but i really like being able to use fluxbox
[16:08] <holstein> on my studio production machine, i am still running 10.04 with gnome2
[16:08] <holstein> MaynardW1ters: you are "able" to use fluxbox with any version
[16:08] <MaynardW1ters> i understand, and will be trying that
[19:57] <len-dt> holstein, just so you know, there is a selection of where grub is installed on the live image. It is in the manual section.
[19:58] <holstein> len-dt: COOL.. i saw it blast right past it there for a while
[19:58] <len-dt> I have also found that if there is a drive I don't want grub on, I can just mount it before running install and the installer will leave it alone.
[19:59] <holstein> len-dt: thats a nice trick!
[19:59] <len-dt> I learned this from having my netbook end up unbootable once...
[19:59] <holstein> easier than pulling it out
[19:59] <holstein> len-dt: hehe.. yeah, thats how i learned too
[20:00] <len-dt> I know how to redo grub, but lots of people don't.
[20:05] <holstein> i just took a day and learned
[20:06] <holstein> i broke it in VM and restored.. broke it on a few boxes a few different ways and restored
[20:06] <len-dt> I know too many people who just panic.
[20:06] <holstein> i used to just calmly re install :)
[20:06] <len-dt> I had fixed LILO many times before GRUB showed up.
[20:07] <holstein> at first, im sure i would panic and not even relize what was borked
[20:07] <holstein> i really started using linux just before 8.04 released
[20:07] <holstein> fulltime
[20:07] <holstein> one of the mepis releases was my first fulltime linux system i ran and didnt break
[20:08] <len-dt> I started just around slackware .8 or something when I couldn't get OS/2 to do what I wanted. Never have run an MS system.
[20:09] <len-dt> I was running a BBS back before Inet got big.
[20:10] <holstein> nice... i need to do something like gentoo or arch... something that will make me learn a little more
[20:10] <holstein> im using debian on a daily basis now, but im not really learning much more
[20:13] <len-dt> I have only so much room in my brain... still learning lots already. The stuff about making packages is keeping me busy
[20:14] <holstein> len-dt: thanks for helping us with your talents!
[20:15] <len-dt> holstein, I can see why LTS is released as .04 and not .10 ... There is no one around in the summer ;-)