[05:24] morning [05:42] good morning za [05:42] Maaz, seen superfly [05:42] Kilos: superfly was last seen 9 hours, 24 minutes and 21 seconds ago in private on freenode [2012-07-22 22:18:07 SAST], and has been online on freenode since 2012-07-22 07:43:16 SAST === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [06:52] inetpro, skape se water het nog steeds ys op so 7°c was net n droom [06:58] hi all [06:58] Maaz: coffee on [06:58] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [06:58] yo charl howzit [06:58] hi Kilos [06:59] Maaz, coffee please [06:59] Kilos: Done [06:59] it's going well thanks, yourself? [06:59] nicely rested after the weekend [06:59] good ty [06:59] every day is the same to me [06:59] i am so well rested i have to recover from being so rested [06:59] but luckily i have 5 days for that [06:59] haha [07:00] i have a feeling i will have recovered from the rest by mid-day [07:02] Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! [07:02] Maaz, thanks [07:02] Kilos: No problem [07:02] Maaz: dankeschon! [07:02] charl: Huh? [07:02] Maaz: danke schon! [07:02] lol [07:03] charl: *blink* [07:03] bah :P [07:03] Maaz: botsnack [07:03] Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well [07:48] yo Banlam [07:49] hi there sflr [07:49] you better? [07:49] good morning all [07:49] hey Kilos, yes i'm back at work! :) [07:49] yay thats good news [07:49] yeah, i was sick of being sick [07:50] hehe the fly and mrs had a son [07:50] another one [07:57] oh wow that is great news! :) didnt know it was THAT close! [07:58] yeah im waiting for him to come online. he posted on fbook [07:58] and the pro told us [09:22] Maaz: coffee on [09:22] * Maaz washes some mugs [09:22] more caffiene [09:22] dirty mugs again?!?! [09:22] yuck disgusting [09:22] time people start washing their dirty mugs when they are finished [09:26] Coffee's ready for charl! [09:27] morning all\ [09:38] hi magespawn [09:38] hey Kilos [10:00] hi magespawn [10:00] Maaz: thanks [10:00] charl: Sure [10:09] hi charl [10:22] hmmmm [10:29] hi zeref [10:30] hi charl [10:31] ever used quickly? [10:53] hmmm [10:55] inetpro, is jy darem by die werk al? [10:55] wb Kilos [10:56] ty [11:00] hiya maiatoday whats news [11:00] ? [11:01] we gonna have to change you nick to maiasometime [11:03] hey Kilos [11:03] yup def not maiaallthetime [11:05] hehe [11:05] youre forgiven though [11:05] hmm [11:05] ok thanks [11:06] yw [11:08] magespawn, who did you address it to? [11:08] miles sharpe [11:09] no just sent it to the PO Box Kilos. [11:09] lol [11:09] you lie [11:09] why? [11:10] i gonna ask other neighbour to check so she will need to,know [11:10] have you got the tracking number I gave you? [11:10] i dunno if i must give her a letter as well [11:11] yessir [11:12] did you address it to kilos or my name? [11:13] no she will need her id though. neither just the PO Box. [11:13] what is that number again/ [11:13] ? [11:14] Tracking Number: RD 797 533 525 ZA [11:35] yo tonberryE352 === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [11:45] yo Trixar_za [11:46] Yo Kilos [11:54] Hmmm, weird. I've lost the will to fight online. Seems pointless now :P [11:55] haha youre growing up [11:56] Nah, It just takes more effort to argue with people than it does to agree with them and suggest an alternative route that's within their power [11:57] Laziness wins :P [11:57] lol [11:57] problem is unfortunately that it persists low standards [11:57] you allow people to get away with it [11:58] http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LazinessImpatienceHubris [11:58] no man you just twist their opinions subtley till they think it was their ideas [11:58] Yes and sometimes something wins on merit [11:59] sounds to me like some major BS [11:59] You just have to get people asking the right questions so you can give them the right answers [11:59] hehe [11:59] Then you convince them it's their idea [12:00] then praise them some and they will eat out of your hands [12:00] there is an old scotsman that taught my dad the three B's - "bulls*** baffles brains" [12:00] yip [12:01] There is a name for it. I think it's called the Socrates method. [12:01] the socratic method? [12:01] Where you ask questions to guide somebody's taughts about something [12:02] well, look at where greece is now [12:02] not exactly an example of how to run things :) [12:02] lol, well his last words were "I drank WHAT?" [12:02] :D [12:02] hehe [12:03] The Greeks weren't so bad. It went a little wrong with the Romans though [12:04] And then they got beat by people that thought attacking naked made them invincible [12:04] (The Celts) [12:04] figures [12:04] It probably does [12:05] If you see a naked madman and madwomen attacking you with swords, I would be pretty surprised too [12:05] lol [12:07] no i meant it does sound very celtic [12:07] i went to ireland once [12:10] Some of the funniest things about the world history you just can't make up [12:11] it gets a heck of a lot worse than that [12:11] there were some master occultists under the celts [12:19] At Office 2012/07/19 09:20 HERCULES First Notification to recipient [12:19] Kilos^^ [12:19] ty magespawn will go give tracking number now [12:20] didnt get the notification [12:20] so according to them it has been there since thursday last week. [12:21] eish [12:21] bbl [12:22] np [12:22] they have become a bit of a joke [12:27] bbl === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [12:34] im back [12:34] hmm... [12:34] yo inetpro [12:34] Kilos: maiatoday using Mint? [12:34] you sound like zer [12:34] oh my goodness what happened [12:34] nope Kilos [12:35] even a desktop named after her [12:35] Linux Mint 13 “Maya” Xfce released! http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2088 [12:35] some pcs on Precise and one or two on Oneiric [12:35] lol [12:35] oh maiatoday you awake? :-) [12:35] its the pro stirring the pot [12:35] I never sleep (almost) I just don't always listen [12:36] inetpro, she isnt deaf, she is just ignoring you [12:37] confluency, you can still say hi now and again [12:37] inetpro, whats news from the fly? [12:40] Kilos: I honestly don't know enough about his moves to be able to tell [12:41] oh thought he came on here at 11pm last night [12:43] didnt know if you were still online at that time [13:11] very interesting [13:11] Canonical’s Unity Interface Reaches Fedora http://www.thevarguy.com/2012/07/23/canonicals-unity-interface-reaches-fedora/ [13:12] The scathing reviews and bitter user feedback of yesteryear have given way to acceptance and even enthusiasm for the interface [13:14] "...now broken out of the Ubuntu mold, even if only slightly, and it could go anywhere from here" [13:15] that is a win for all of us. gives us more choice all around. [13:27] here is a question for all you people [13:27] open source voip clients on ubuntu [13:27] recommendations? [13:27] i have tried a bunch and the one is worse than the next [13:27] i want to replace skype with something that is fully open source [13:27] i don't mind if it's sip, jingle or something else, as long as it can get through an ipv4 nat router [13:28] ipv6 would also be an option but if it's tunneled it might be too slow [13:40] charl, have you tried pidgin [13:41] and there was an alternative to skype a while back [13:42] Kilos: yup i tried it, failed miserably at voice [13:42] with both ends using pidgin [13:45] eish [13:45] im looking if i saved the alternatives link [13:48] charl, http://www.jitsi.org [13:49] http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/222556/gnu_free_call_an_open_source_skype_alternative.html [13:50] http://www.osalt.com/skype [13:51] yup tried jitsi as well [13:51] it is a java application, incredibly slow and unstable [13:51] thanks taking a look at those two links.... [13:51] ekiga actually has good call quality but the latency is terrible [13:52] gnu free call sounds promising [13:54] linphone is cool but haven't managed to figure out how to run that behind a nat yet [13:54] without configuring port forwarding [13:54] i could try it from work because here my laptop has a public (internet routable) ip address on the wlan [13:54] we have a /16 ipv4 subnet [13:54] http://superuser.com/questions/281821/free-open-source-cross-platform-alternative-to-skype [13:54] so we don't use nat [13:55] i dunno what you are talking about [13:55] the ipv6 thing [13:55] oh 4 [13:55] empathy is another one we tried [13:55] that has absolutely horrific call quality [13:55] i dont fancy empathry at all [13:56] and apparently no functional noise cancelling / echo cancelling [13:56] something wrong your pidgin man [13:56] when i try to download google talk i get an .exe [13:56] could be but it didn't work for me at all [13:57] try it with someone using the same internet tower as you then you will see if its the net or your side [13:57] i couldn't get any voice from the other end and they couldn't hear me either [13:57] and that was during an open call [13:57] eish [13:57] the same internet tower? [13:57] lol what the heck is an internet tower :) [13:57] oh you not on broadband [13:57] lol [13:57] eh well i am on 802.11g [13:58] it's not exactly fast but it's good enough for voip [13:58] lemme do a speed test quick [13:58] i seem to be getting 15 mbps down and 16 mbps up [13:59] thats good [14:00] is there someone else at work there you can try on lan [14:00] or have you got 2 pcs there [14:00] if i ping google.com my ping tends to average just above 10ms so i don't think the latency is too bad either [14:01] and besides, if i skype it's perfect [14:01] so it can't be the bandwidth [14:01] yip [14:01] its by you [14:02] try getting 2 pcs on your lan and try sort the prob [14:03] maybe you got something missing [14:05] have you tried kopete [14:05] you are on ubuntu hey? [14:05] or linux at least [14:05] yes [14:05] ubuntu [14:06] yes tried kopete too [14:06] didn't allow us to make calls at all [14:06] eish [14:07] http://www.phrozensmoke.com/projects/pyvoicechat/ [14:07] py is python hey? [14:07] usually yeah [14:08] looks like a yahoo client though [14:10] http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Open+Source+VOIP+Software [14:11] http://www.linphone.org/ [14:12] http://sflphone.org/ [14:12] hehe good luck [14:13] yeah linphone and sflphone are the other two i've tried [14:14] linphone was the one with nat issues and sflphone also had terrible call quality, just like empathy [14:14] i seriously can't believe that there are no good open source options out there [14:21] eish [14:54] i am out of here later all [14:54] later magespawn [15:08] ok, this is a debian thing on my raspberry pi [15:08] $ sudo aptitude install vim [15:08] 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 66 to remove [15:08] wtf [15:11] already installed? [15:24] hmm Squirm answer? [15:25] tumbleweed: it's not [15:25] vi is [15:25] did it not have anything else to say on the matter? [15:25] oh, sorry [15:25] 2 newly installed, there we go [15:26] what exactly are we wtf-ing? [15:26] The following packages will be REMOVED: [15:26] liba52-0.7.4{u} libaa1{u} libass4{u} libasyncns0{u} libaudio2{u} [15:26] libavc1394-0{u} libavutil49{u} libcaca0{u} libcddb2{u} libdc1394-22{u} [15:26] to name a few [15:26] is that a problem? [15:26] tumbleweed: aptitude install vim - it wants to remove 66 packages [15:26] they're all libraries. Presumably nothing depends on them [15:27] aptitude uninstalls automatically installed orphan packages by default [15:27] apt-get only does when you run apt-get autoremove [15:27] ok, that could make sense [15:27] ciao [15:27] it's on my Pi. which I installed using a debian image [15:28] so they must have packaged them with the image [15:28] did it remove anything that wasn't a library? [15:28] bmysql-common{u} qt4-qtconfig{u} vlc-data{u} [15:28] ok, vlc failed to install, so that one is fine [15:29] right, a bunch of those are things vlc depends on [15:29] (I don't know how that b crept in before mysql [15:29] ok [15:29] that could make sense [15:29] thanks [15:29] I understands now [16:23] yo superfly congrats man [17:11] o/ g'evening [17:11] naand oom Kilos [17:11] lo Squirm [17:13] Evening all [17:13] howdy magespawn [17:13] had a good day? [17:13] Hi nuvolari [17:14] Relatively, yes [17:14] And yourself? [17:15] magespawn: doing good thank you [17:17] Kilos: ping [17:18] Had a laptop today that would not boot today, caps lock light flashing indicatedna coruppt bios so attempted to repair it, only to find 30 mins later it had no hard drive. [17:19] lol [17:19] where did it go?? [17:20] nuvolari, pong [17:20] sorry was eating [17:20] No I idea, and the person who brought it in did so for somebody else so they also had no idea [17:21] haha @ magespawn [17:21] Apparently the owner lent it to somebody who said it crashed and that it would not start. [17:22] hahaha thats so evil [17:22] Looks like the drive got up and left on its own. [17:23] lappy drives arent cheap [17:24] I wonder sometimes if there is not somebody out there who is testing me. [17:26] Bizzaro Monday. [17:26] weird. what does the owner say mage [17:28] Do not know yet, they are coming in tomrrow. [17:28] thats shocking [17:28] Friend brought it in today. [17:28] Really strange. [17:29] thieves everywhere [17:29] theives [17:29] That along with the stolen laptop last week. [17:29] eish diewe [17:29] ouch, from the shop? [17:31] Guy brought it in for formatting and for me to remove the password, had no charger and a cracked screen with an assest sticker on it. [17:31] o/ [17:31] Gigabyte netbook [17:32] wow and now its gone magespawn ? [17:33] trying to get a new one outa you? [17:34] No Kilos cat by the tail [17:34] huh? [17:34] The guy who brought it to me had either stolen it or recieved stopen goods. [17:34] Stolen [17:34] ah sorry [17:34] Np [17:35] The guy who brought it to me wanted me to crack the password then format it so that he could use it. [17:35] hope you have a sign up anyway about all stuff brought in is at owners risk [17:37] Yes and always tell ppl the we cannot be resposible for data loss too. [17:37] whew [17:38] life sucks at times hey [17:39] Wierd couple of days though. [17:42] wb AndChat|68096 [17:42] Ty === AndChat|68096 is now known as magespawn [17:45] Back again, like a cold. [17:46] good evening [17:46] Maaz: coffee on [17:46] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [17:46] hi charl [17:46] Maaz: coffee please [17:46] nuvolari: Done [17:46] Maaz, coffee please [17:46] Kilos: Sure [17:46] lo charl [17:46] Maaz: botsnack [17:46] Maaz, coffe please [17:46] hys geskok [17:47] Maaz, coffee please [17:47] magespawn: Yessir [17:47] Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well [17:47] lol [17:47] magespawn: Go get it yourself! [17:47] coffee magespawn [17:47] awyou too fast [17:47] lo nuvolari [17:47] Hey typing on a touch screen too [17:47] lol [17:48] Hi charl [17:48] hi magespawn [17:49] Maaz, move it [17:49] If I get anymore cheek Kilos you can do it yourself next time [17:49] hmm [17:50] Coffee's ready for charl, nuvolari, Kilos and magespawn! [17:50] the fly is online but not saying anything [17:50] Maaz, ty [17:50] You are welcome Kilos [17:50] Think he might be a bit busy. [17:50] thatks Maaz [17:51] Ty Maaz, botsnack [17:51] he wont acknowledge that [17:51] nick first [17:51] Maaz, ty , botsnack [17:51] :) [17:51] haha [17:52] thats new [17:52] A smile from a bot. [17:53] no a smile not some remark [17:53] Maybe he will winkmat me next time. [17:53] lol [17:56] Maaz, seen superfly [17:56] Kilos: superfly was last seen 21 hours, 38 minutes and 12 seconds ago in private on freenode [2012-07-22 22:18:07 SAST], and has been online on freenode since 2012-07-22 07:43:16 SAST [17:56] lies [17:57] was on here years ago [17:57] either him or the pro helped me get here from the lists [17:58] that was ubuntu 8.04 or 8.10 time methinks [18:00] hey not_found you have a good day? [18:01] fine day thanks uncle Kilos ... and you? [18:01] I think we actually started here with in a fews days of each other Kilos. [18:01] Brb fish two bed time. [18:01] k [18:02] im good ty not_found why you so queiet> [18:02] supposed to great when you come online [18:03] sjoe [18:03] quiet [18:03] hi Cantide [18:03] hey Kilos :D [18:03] ever vigilant, i see :D [18:03] how much studying did you do today [18:03] I waved twice if I am not mistaken... must have been when it was quiet... then got busy :p [18:03] Kilos, not much, i'm afraid [18:03] sorry uncle Kilos [18:04] Mondays are tough at work - double balancing ._. [18:04] np not_found [18:04]