[05:06] <len-dt> log check
[06:06] <len-dt> And BTW The ISO built again so the notice in the email can be ignored.
[08:31] <ailo> len-dt: I'm back. Going to start working on things from today, on
[09:57] <ailo> len-dt: I'll start with developer documentation for a bit. Move onwards to document testing, and we should create testing scripts etc. 
[09:57] <ailo> Then do testing
[09:57] <ailo> And then do ubuntustudio-controls based on results
[13:21] <len-dt> ailo, sounds great. Docs are web based? or are you doing stuff for the ISO as well?
[13:58] <len-dt> ailo, if you are doing docs for the ISO at all, I would suggest doing it in smaller pieces that can work as is with one about/TOC page to tie them together. That way it is usable even if not finished. It looks like just you and me for the most part. Mish has offered to do some graphics work. I was going to get him to make some icons to go with our *.directory files that we are currently "borrowing" from various applications.
[14:00] <len-dt> So if at some time we decide to drop an application that we use an icon from we don't break things.
[14:01] <len-dt> If you have some other graphics work that needs to be done... this could wait.
[14:08] <len-dt> ailo, some more scribbling just FYI Bug #919767 I have done an upstream  gnome-bugs #679905
[14:10] <len-dt> :)  The bot doesn't seem to get the right gnome-bug url  https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=679905
[14:51] <len-dt> ailo, good idea to mark some things postponed. I suspect a lot of things Scott has marked as his should be too.
[15:41] <ailo> len-dt: For now, I'm just focusing on developer docs
[15:41] <ailo> And testing/tweaking
[15:41] <ailo> Going to start working on -controls shortly
[15:42] <ailo> len-dt: I'm really just going to dive in and try to do as much as possible in a short time, in some kind of a logic order
[15:43] <ailo> Right now, I'm collecting all info on testing
[15:43] <ailo> Your posts on the lists, included
[15:44] <ailo> len-dt: Added a repo for testing tools at git@gitorious.org:ubuntustudio-testing/ubuntustudio-testing.git
[15:44] <len-dt> ailo, ok. 
[15:44] <ailo> Nothing much there yet
[15:44] <ailo> Once we have some testing tools I guess we could add a group/project for that in launchpad
[15:45] <ailo> And push the source there
[15:45] <len-dt> fun
[15:46] <ailo> len-dt: I think what seeds go, and that sort of thing, I won't bother much, unless you need my opinion on something. Seems like you're on top of that stuff pretty much
[15:47] <len-dt> ailo, trying to be. I think I will go through Scotts bluprint items and add any he has marked for adding.
[15:48] <len-dt> The stuff he has marked to try I won't.
[15:48] <len-dt> I can add those to the installer menu item though.
[15:48] <ailo> len-dt: Don't be afraid to take over his tasks, if you feel they are urgent
[15:48] <ailo> I've done that for a couple
[15:49] <len-dt> Ya, I have done one or two. I am more looking at what I can do.
[15:49] <len-dt> If I see something easy I grab it and do it.
[15:50] <ailo> Feels like there's no need for any plan, in terms of in what order things should be done? No need for meetings, etc. Just dive in and get things done
[15:50] <ailo> Since there are so few of us
[15:51] <len-dt> ya.
[15:51] <len-dt> There was a user who removed the graphics and video metas and had problems loggin on
[15:52] <len-dt> I need to recreate the problem so I can bug report it.
[15:52] <len-dt> I think Scott used a font we don't include in desktop but is in graphics
[15:52] <ailo> len-dt: Yea, that sounded bad
[15:53] <len-dt> I will either have to make the fonts package a desktop depends or figure out which font it is and add that to desktop.
[15:54] <len-dt> ailo, I have also noticed that most of our packages in our metas are depends and not recommends.
[15:55] <ailo> len-dt: I'm a bit ignorant about that. Recommends still means those packages will be installed, if you just do "apt-get install <meta>"?
[15:55] <ailo> Trying to find some example of metas
[15:56] <len-dt> As people start adding replacement software they may try removing packages they don't want. Right now if someone removed meterbridge for example the whole audio meta packages would be removed.
[15:57] <ailo> As long as everything gets installed, when you install the meta. That's the main thing
[15:58] <ailo> The only reason why it's there
[15:58] <len-dt> In seeds audio-common (which becomes the ubuntustudio-audio-common) all of them are depends. That means if someone tries to remove just one app it removes the whole works.
[15:59] <len-dt> Some of those packages shold be depends (like jackd)
[15:59] <len-dt> but others should just be recommends
[16:00] <len-dt> recommends would be things like audacity,hydrogen, jack-rack, meterbridge etc. Thing that can be removed without making the package unusable.
[16:00] <ailo> Removing a meta should not remove any depends though
[16:00] <ailo> It would just remove the meta
[16:01] <len-dt> I'll have to try that.
[16:02] <len-dt> a recommends should not even remove the meta.
[16:02] <ailo> No, but will the recommend be installed by default, if you install the meta?
[16:03] <len-dt> Yes. All of our metas are just recommends in desktop
[16:03] <len-dt> Many of the apps in desktop are recommends too.
[17:46] <micahg> len-dt: openclipart is a meta package, did you want all 3 versions included (svg, png, libreoffice)
[17:47] <micahg> len-dt: you also change qmidiroute in the alacarte commit without mentioning it
[17:49] <micahg> bzr diff before bzr commit is a good way to review
[18:10] <len-dt> Ok, sorry. openclipart. I am not familiar with Art/Graphics beyond fooling around. Svg are not something I would work with prefering pngs, but perhaps most graphics programs cover this and just open whatever.
[18:10] <len-dt> micahg, the package notes for openclipart mentioned svg and png but not office
[18:11] <len-dt> Would just the svg version cover all or most uses? One has to assume someone serious in art knows how to convert.
[18:13] <len-dt> micahg, is it possible to edit or revert the first commit and do two... actually I could leave midiroute as it was.
[18:15] <micahg> len-dt: just bzr revert -cREVNO where REVNO is the revision you want to revert and commit it with a note which revision you're reverting and why
[18:16] <micahg> len-dt: as for openclipart, if you don't want all 3 packages pulled in, I suggest seeding the ones you want explicitly
[18:17] <len-dt> Ya, I figured that much, I was asking if there are apps that would not deal with svg files. But you may not know.
[18:17] <micahg> I'd suggest just the svg one (which is 39MB itself), the png one is ~125MB
[18:17] <micahg> nope, no idea
[18:18] <micahg> but then, someone can file a request if they want more
[18:18] <len-dt> micahg, OK, I will revert both changes and redo them. Make sense?
[18:19] <micahg> len-dt: nah, you can just change qmidicontrol back if appropriate and change openclipart to what you want it to be
[18:20] <len-dt> micahg, my feeling is that most of the apps should be recommends. I changed that one only because I had added it. Can I leave it? How would I comment I had done that?
[18:22] <micahg> len-dt: there's no good way to add a comment for a previous commit, if you want more visibility on why you did the change, you can send a note to the ubuntustudio-devel list
[18:22] <micahg> len-dt: I can start the thread with a reply from the commit if you like
[18:23] <len-dt> Ok.
[18:26] <micahg> sent
[18:30] <Len-nb> micahg, thank you for all your help.
[18:33] <micahg> Len-nb: thanks for your work on Studio
[19:16] <Len-nb> ailo, With regard to blueprint item: [ubuntustudio-dev] - update mixer plugin backend for pulse-jack (astraljava might have already done this in precise): TODO
[19:17] <Len-nb> Is this done? Can we mark it so? This is in the liveDVD area.
[20:22] <ailo> Len-nb: I don't know what that is
[20:23] <ailo> mixer plugin backend for pulse-jack?
[20:23] <Len-nb> I think he was talking about the tray icon launching pavucontrol
[20:24] <Len-nb> I think the pulse-jack should just be pulse.
[20:24] <ailo> If so, I suppose that is fixed with 12.04, right?
[20:24] <ailo> Was there something missing still?
[20:25] <Len-nb> I don't think so. It won't work if PA is removed :-)
[20:25] <Len-nb> But those who remove things do so at their own risk...
[20:26] <Len-nb> Scott was going from his list of notes of what didn't get done 12.04
[20:27] <Len-nb> It may not have been up to date.
[20:28] <ailo> Probably so. 
[20:53] <len-dt> ailo, [len-ovenwerks] - update tray mixer plugin backend for pulse (astraljava might have already done this in precise)Yes he did: DONE
[20:53] <len-dt> changed blueprint as above.
[22:35] <len-dt> ailo, How do I remove a meta and it's depends?
[22:42] <len-dt> A user said they had removed -graphics and -video and had problems with desktop operation.
[22:43] <len-dt> I am trying to recreate the problem because I think we have a dependency problem...
[22:44] <len-dt> When I try to use apt-get or synaptic to remove those metas, it just removes the meta but leaves the dependencies
[22:45] <len-dt> There must be a command I don't know.