[02:45] <ronnoc> anyone know if anything ever came of Project Silk? 
[08:14] <Riddell> hola chicos
[08:17] <Riddell> ronnoc: I suspect not
[08:17] <Riddell> but maybe afiestas' webaccounts will be the successor
[08:49] <ronnoc> thanks Riddell
[10:13] <Riddell> hi Jekyll, are you the top notch bug triager from KDE?
[10:23] <Riddell> anyone else experience kde bug 303812 ?
[10:23] <Riddell> when I unplug my power it stays at 100%
[10:36] <CIA-81> [networkmanagement] Jonathan Kolberg * 19 * debian/ (changelog control plasma-widget-networkmanagement.install) Add libopenconnect-dev to build-dependencies (LP: #923587)
[10:40] <Riddell> bulldog98_: oh?  what does that do?
[11:55] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[12:20] <apachelogger> "Your membership in kubuntu-members is about to expire"
[12:20] <apachelogger> cool
[12:56] <ScottK> You'd still be an indirect member, I believe, so you probably don't escape so easy.
[13:49] <apachelogger> noooooo
[13:49] <apachelogger> y u no let me go :P
[13:49] <Riddell> you're too valuable
[13:49] <Riddell> renew renew!
[13:50] <apachelogger> I still have 6 days left, I shall carefully think about it :P
[15:40] <Riddell> alpha 3 candidates images for the testing!
[15:40] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/226/builds
[15:40] <Riddell> !testers
[15:46] <yofel> fun
[15:47] <Riddell> it's always fun with you yofel 
[15:49]  * yofel hugs Riddell
[15:49] <yofel> same with you :)
[15:49] <yofel> I'll try to at least get some KVM runs done
[16:02] <Daskreech> alpha?
[16:03] <Daskreech> oh right  Kubuntu alpha
[16:03] <Riddell> yep
[16:05] <jsubl2> so whats a good way to test the new image,  virtualbox or ??
[16:05] <Riddell> jsubl2: virtualbox is good yes
[16:05] <Riddell> or hardware install
[16:05] <jsubl2> ok
[16:05] <Riddell> whichever you prefer
[16:06] <Riddell> record results at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/226/builds
[16:06] <jsubl2> ok noted.  where are the images
[16:06] <Riddell> click on an image then "Link to the download information"
[16:07] <Riddell> that'll tell you the various ways to getit
[16:07] <jsubl2> i am new at this.  But i have wanted to contribute
[16:07] <jsubl2> ok
[16:07] <Riddell> thanks for getting into it :)
[16:08] <jsubl2> I am recently retired unix admin.  One of my goals was to get involved.
[16:09] <Riddell> go find bugs!  (cos next you'll want to fix them :)
[16:09] <jsubl2> ok.  i noticed the links for learning that.  so i will definetly read those.
[16:12] <Riddell> ad block isn't on by default any more, anyone remember if that's deliberate?
[16:27] <jtechidna> the best I can find is bug 372379
[16:30] <Riddell> rings a bell
[16:30] <Riddell> I think the problem there was the adblock settings being static in k-d-s
[16:30] <Riddell> but rekonq has an automatic update feature
[16:31] <yofel> hm, did the OEM install get dropped from the desktop image? F4 only shows 'Normal' as mode
[16:32] <yofel> hm, nvm
[16:32] <yofel> the menu is confusing
[16:38] <shadeslayer> !testers 
[16:38] <shadeslayer> Digikam needs testing : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[16:38] <Riddell> ooh digikam
[16:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: remember we're in alpha freeze so remember to upload to -proposed when ready
[16:47] <shadeslayer> oh ... ok
[16:47]  * shadeslayer will remember
[16:48]  * shadeslayer will test installing the cd once I get a DVD tomorrow
[16:48] <shadeslayer> darn, should have got one today when I went to buy my mouse
[16:49] <Riddell> usb keys so much better in my opinion
[16:49] <shadeslayer> tell that to Apple
[17:43] <Riddell> cor, new images
[17:44] <Riddell> yofel: ^^
[17:45] <Riddell> hmm but still syncing to mirror
[17:50] <yofel> k
[19:34] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1028567] plasma-desktop crashed with SIGSEGV when changing battery monitor settings @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1028567 (by johannes)
[20:23] <Quintasan_> \o
[20:24] <yofel> evening Quintasan
[20:24] <Quintasan> yofel: sup
[20:24] <yofel> still working through real life backlog that piled up during a month of test and exams
[20:27] <Quintasan> ha
[20:27] <Quintasan> still getting things moving here
[20:30] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: >implying FF ever worked properly
[20:30] <shadeslayer> apparently alot of users like FF
[21:08] <Quintasan> Y U NO WORK VIRT MANAGER
[21:09] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU-
[21:27] <ScottK> So I guess shadeslayer has passed the exams excuse on to yofel now.
[21:28] <yofel> lol, pretty much ^^
[21:28] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[21:38] <Linkmaster> Question about installing things, and their appdata: when a program installs, its appdata creates ~/.whatever, correct? Well, if you have enough ~/.whatevers, it creates a mess..how hard/difficult/whatnot would changing the install route to ~/.appdata/games.../programs.../etc  ??
[21:39] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: if you're free, could you test digikam
[21:39] <Quintasan> lol
[21:39] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: hmm k
[21:39] <Quintasan> Let me finish my Quntal upgrade
[21:40] <shadeslayer> ok
[21:44] <yofel> Linkmaster: application configuration files aren't that standardized. Some applications use ~/.<app>, some use ~/.config/app/ ~/.local/share/app/ as per XDG standard
[21:45] <Linkmaster> yofel: hm, I thought as much. I was wondering though, since it would organize things a little more after the initial ~/.whatever mess
[21:51] <Quintasan> Linkmaster: It wouldn't be Linux if everything was seating neatly organised ;)
[21:52] <Linkmaster> Oh hush =P thanks guys for at least asking, I was totally flamed in another channel when I presented the idea =P
[21:52] <Linkmaster> *answering
[21:53] <Quintasan> Linkmaster: It's the part of the surprise, when looking for udev files you totally exect the rules to sit in /var/some/where/where/you/do/not/expect/it
[21:53] <Quintasan> :P
[21:54]  * Linkmaster snorts
[21:54] <Linkmaster> true enough
[21:56] <yofel> Linkmaster: well, feel free to point people to the freedesktop spec - I doubt everyone knows it even exists (or they just don't care)
[21:56] <Quintasan> lol freedesktop
[21:57] <Quintasan> Heard that name somewhere in the depths of dbus
[21:57] <Linkmaster> I've never heard of that before
[22:08] <yofel> Linkmaster: I was talking about http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html specifically
[22:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: It has come to my attention that despite our greatest efforts at Project Neon we did not manage to produce a sane daily build system for Amarok 2. A long and bloody and tedious investigation revealed that the culprit behind our apparent inability to do so was caused by a monstrosity called qtscriptgenerator. It's hideous core consists of qmake and other unspeakable horrors which scarred shadeslayer into using his "exams" 
[22:14] <Quintasan> excuse everytime anything Amarok-related came up on the channel. Not only it is hideous and wrecks havoc within Project Neon members but I also noticed that even the mighty warrior called Phonon is not able to tame the beast and must resort to dirty tricks. That it is only the tip of the iceberg Esquire! Even our fellows from the old lands of Debian seem to have given up slaying the beast (qtscriptgenerator doesn't work with Phonon and 
[22:14] <Quintasan> uses some hacks to do so). As the result of the aforementioned thing we decided to call upon the mighty Overlord of KDE Multimedia lands, who happens to be you as we speak, for help with taming the beast as it would be beneficial for both Kubuntu and KDE shires.
[22:15] <shadeslayer> oh boy oh boy
[22:17] <jsubl2> i installed the latest test image.  I think i missed something it tried to install grub to sdb  which is the flash drive i was installing it from.  
[22:17] <jsubl2> i am thinking maybe it was me and not a bug.. but not sure
[22:49] <Riddell> jsubl2: worth testing again
[22:50] <jsubl2> yeah i will
[22:51] <Quintasan> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1008967  any idea if someone is working on that so I don't do the same stuff twice?
[22:53] <Quintasan> yofel, shadeslayer: ^^
[22:53] <shadeslayer> not me
[22:54] <yofel> me neither - and if then that person should be assigned to that
[22:54] <shadeslayer> fooey
[22:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: can you give me root rights for lb?
[22:56] <Riddell> Quintasan: I think it's all yours
[22:56] <yofel> shadeslayer: done
[22:56] <shadeslayer> thx
[22:56] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'll get to it shortly then
[22:59] <apachelogger> Quintasan: does not compute
[22:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Read it until it does
[23:00] <Quintasan> If it doesn't then you need more booze
[23:00] <apachelogger> ah
[23:00] <apachelogger> now I get it
[23:00] <apachelogger> just remove the phonon bits?
[23:00] <apachelogger> last I saw it their overlay was kaput/incomplete
[23:00] <Quintasan> We want you to fix that
[23:01] <apachelogger> :O
[23:01] <apachelogger> what for?
[23:01] <Quintasan> So it works half-decently?
[23:01] <Quintasan> Or don't make Amarok 2 depend on that hell
[23:01] <apachelogger> no one uses the phonon bindings
[23:01] <apachelogger> and I don't see what for it would be used
[23:01] <apachelogger> considering qml shebang is in master now
[23:01] <Quintasan> Amarok 2 depends on that crap for some reason unknown to me
[23:02] <apachelogger> amarok scripts need the advanced qt bindings
[23:02] <Quintasan> That's qtscriptgenerator, right?
[23:02] <apachelogger> aye
[23:02] <Quintasan> And we need to get that building to get dailes working
[23:02] <apachelogger> it semi-auto-generates qtscript bindings for stuff
[23:02] <apachelogger> Quintasan: patch it I say
[23:03] <Quintasan> I think yofel made it work just today with some nasty hacks but that's a effing short-term solution imo
[23:03] <Quintasan> God knows when it will break again
[23:03] <yofel> we want you to fix phonon so we *don't* have to patch it
[23:03] <apachelogger> well
[23:03] <apachelogger> what's wrong with phonon?
[23:03] <yofel> well, or make qtscriptgenerator build without requiring a 'phonon.h' that includes all phonon headers
[23:04] <apachelogger> yah
[23:04] <apachelogger> qsg is not phonon compatible
[23:04] <apachelogger> only qtphonon had that master header
[23:04] <apachelogger> as all qt foo has master headers
[23:09] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I don't really care for where the Qt foo is and where it is. Can you do something about that or we have to patch the hell out of it and pray it doesn't break anytime soon?
[23:09] <Quintasan> where it is not*
[23:10] <apachelogger> qsg is not part of kdemm nor kde
[23:10] <apachelogger> so I cannot do anything about it
[23:10] <apachelogger> you could however patch in a phonon.h at debian/kubuntu level
[23:10] <apachelogger> seeing as the package tries to be compatible to qtphonon that sounds like a must-have tBH
[23:10] <Quintasan> We can do that but I doubt Debian folks will do that
[23:16] <yofel> Quintasan: they already do that...
[23:16] <Quintasan> Oh, okay.
[23:16] <Quintasan> So we are back to square one.
[23:16] <Quintasan> 148737-redshift-plasmoid-0.4.2.tar.gz
[23:17] <Quintasan> [plasma-widget-redshift]% tar zxvf 148737-redshift-plasmoid-0.4.2.tar.gz 
[23:17] <Quintasan> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[23:17] <Quintasan> great
[23:17] <Riddell> remember: Digikam needs testing : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[23:17] <Quintasan> Riddell: Done, works.
[23:18] <shadeslayer> yeah, I need to upload that
[23:19]  * shadeslayer looks at special things to be done to upload to proposed
[23:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: if you upload it it can be a nice feature for alpha 3
[23:19] <Riddell> put quantal-proposed in the changelog
[23:19]  * Riddell snoozes
[23:20] <Quintasan> argh need to repack the tarball
[23:20] <Quintasan> crap
[23:20] <shadeslayer> okie
[23:20] <Quintasan> or wait
[23:20] <Quintasan> whatever, will mail the developer firs
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: btw, how has the flat hunting been going? I've found myself searching for one as well.
[23:28] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Oh, well, good. I'm going to sign the rent contract tomorrow
[23:29] <Quintasan> It's not the best one but that's the only one that looks sane and affordable
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> yeah, there has to be a balance
[23:30] <Quintasan> Of course we will be looking for better one but I take what I can get at the moment
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> good, good
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> I've looked at one place today which was pretty nice. I'm due to look at another thursday and hopefully I'll have a decision by the end of the week
[23:31] <Quintasan> Now that reminds me I have to get up early tomorrow.
[23:31] <Quintasan> T_T
[23:32] <Quintasan> Hell, gotta get rolling, will be around for 4.9 tagging tomorrow
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> the difference between the apartment 10 km from uni vs. the one 2 km is $175 a month, but it would probably be worth it.
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> since 2 km is easily in walking/biking distance
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> plus, everybody wants the one 2 km away, so I may not be able to get that one :P
[23:33] <Quintasan> :D
[23:34] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Well, good luck in finding good offer :P
[23:34]  * Quintasan totters off to bed
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> you too :)
[23:34] <apachelogger> 175 USD are like 3.91 GBP
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:34] <Quintasan> Good night.
[23:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan: nini
[23:35]  * yofel is off to bed as well - good night
[23:35] <apachelogger> yofel: nini
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> ~150 euros a month more for the one 8 km closer :P
[23:42] <CIA-81> [digikam] Rohan Garg * 49 * debian/changelog Release to quantal-proposed
[23:42] <apachelogger> is that distance for travel-by-bird or travel-by-bike?