[00:03] kenvandine, you getting overtime? :P [00:18] just got bitten by bug 923841 on quantal. buh. [00:18] Launchpad bug 923841 in intltool "intltool glade support doesn't work with menus" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923841 === Amaranthus is now known as Amaranth === bcurtiswx_ is now known as bcurtiswx [03:44] chrisccoulson: new nautilus> yeah, it even breaks the backspace key, which in turn breaks my patience [03:58] pitti: surely that is a mistake... [05:43] good morning [05:45] bonjour didrocks [05:46] Hey, ho, didrocks! [05:46] guten morgen pitti, hey RAOF! [05:47] didrocks: Did you know about the “Investigate locally” button on the apport popup when you've got apport-retrace installed? [05:47] This is my new favourite thing! [05:47] RAOF: I never used it, I'm still apport-unpack && gdb :) [05:47] (And my new least-favourite thing is crashes in X's error reporting only when built with optimisations) [05:48] didrocks: *gasp* documentation! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash [05:48] ahah, typical joyness :) [05:48] pitti: wow, with screenshots! [05:48] yeah, and by how bad they are you can see that I took them [05:48] ok, I install apport-retrace and make my fingers happy :) [05:49] done :) [05:49] didrocks: unpack and gdb doesn't give you the debug symbols, though? [05:49] pitti: most of the time, I have them installed already or built on my machine with pkg-create-dbgsym [07:05] sigh @ bug 1028266. i can't believe somebody would actually report that as a bug. do people really look for things like that? [07:05] Launchpad bug 1028266 in firefox "firefox license change not reflected in /usr/share/doc/firefox/copyright" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1028266 [07:07] pitti - yeah, i think i'm going to struggle to like the new nautilus :( [07:08] it also no longer displays folders before files either, which i also dislike quite a lot :/ [07:09] there's an option for that, though [07:11] oh, i didn't realize that [07:12] hmmm, the option doesn't work here [07:12] the checkbox immediately unchecks itself again [07:17] pitti, good morning [07:17] pitti, do you know the status of bug 1026066 ? [07:17] Launchpad bug 1026066 in software-properties "software-properties-gtk crashed with ImportError in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/aptdaemon/client.py: No module named gobject" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1026066 [07:17] didrocks: nice, iberia has mobile tickets, and already allow checking in [07:17] bonjour jibel, ca va? [07:18] jibel: it's fixed in trunk, but not yet uploaded into the distro apparently [07:18] pitti, ça va bien, et toi ? [07:18] jibel: do you know how to trigger it? I played around with software-properties and can't reproduce it [07:18] ooh [07:18] I guess I hacked aptdaemon locally [07:18] jibel: je suis bien, merci! [07:18] pitti: oh you can? I can't checking in personnaly [07:19] jibel: I'll have a look at this and upload [07:19] pitti, start update manager then click on 'Settings...' [07:22] jibel: I reinstalled aptdaemon now, starting software-properties-gtk is enough to trigger it [07:22] * pitti bumps severity [07:27] jibel: hm, both the current quantal as well as my new package FTBFS for me in the test suite; investigating [07:29] didrocks: perhaps you leave later, and still need to wait a bit [07:30] pitti: I'm leaving at 7h35 from Lyon. I can book from Lyon -> Paris -> Madrid, but it's with AF [07:31] so I guess they don't want to ensure the connexion [07:31] jibel: fix confirmed locally; waiting for package in my PPA to build [08:05] hey [08:06] salut seb128 [08:06] seb128: meeting report reminder day! [08:06] bonjour seb128 [08:07] hey didrocks, pitti, ca va bien ? [08:07] didrocks, indeed it is, thanks! [08:07] ça va bien, et toi? [08:11] didrocks, ca va bien! [08:11] pitti, danke for the aptdaemon upload [08:13] seb128: de rien; took a bit, I have some trouble with the tests [08:13] the current version that's in the archive now fails in the tests [08:13] oh :-( [08:15] RAOF, hey [08:16] RAOF, "Chris Halse Rogers has proposed merging lp:~ubuntu-desktop/lightdm/ubuntu into lp:lightdm." ... somewhat that looks wrong ;-) [08:21] chrisccoulson, pitti: I'm pondering re-uploading nautilus 3.4 as a nautilus-3.4 source [08:22] or nautilus-with-features [08:22] though that's not really maintainable over time [08:22] without the library packages then? i. e. statically linked or private libdir or so? [08:22] yeah, I guess we'll just need to swallow it [08:23] sometimes with GNOME it's good to let them one or two cycle to shape up things and get refactoring done [08:23] pitti, well, the library interfaces didn't change yet, so I think we could build the lib from 3.6 and use it in 3.4 [08:23] if it's expected to get better, you could also just keep nautilus at 3.4? [08:24] it will get better for some value of better... [08:24] like they replaced typeahead with the dumb search and don't plan to change it back [08:24] or they dropped the compact view which quite some people liked [08:25] well I can make a long list of useful stuff they dropped, and I would not be surprised if they still drop a bunch [08:25] :-( [08:25] I think they somewhat lean toward being more a tablet UI than a desktop one [08:29] hum [08:29] rather than bringing back nautilus 3.4 I think we should probably get marlin in [08:35] hey seb128 [08:36] yeah, it's a shame about the typeahead. i'm not sure i can live without that yet :( [08:36] chrisccoulson, hey, how are you? [08:36] their search sucks as well [08:37] the reply from mccann was "we will depends on tracker that should make the search efficient" [08:37] that's for some definition of efficient I guess... [08:37] seb128, yeah, i'm not too bad thanks [08:39] hum, tried marlin from https://launchpad.net/~d.filoni/+archive/quantal-builds/+packages [08:40] it's a bit like the old nautilus but doesn't feel as nice and it's lacking u1 integration for example [08:40] * seb128 uninstall [08:40] want my old nautilus back! [08:40] mc! [08:40] heh, i've not tried marlin for a while [08:40] yeah, I really miss typeahead, too [08:40] perhaps i should try and write my own file browser? [08:40] almost as much as backspace [08:41] I ctrl-L and type in the url bar as a workaround [08:41] well, typing ahead somewhat works, but filtering the whole view instead of just jumping to the file is a bit confusing [08:41] what I don't like is when you copy/cut a file and try to paste it, it files the breadcrumb with the origin url [08:41] instead of pasting/moving the file [08:41] ooh, that's what it does? [08:41] didrocks, ok thanks for reminding me, I need to backport that fix [08:41] I copied a few music files to my phone yesterday and it got completely messed up [08:41] * seb128 does [08:41] seb128: ah? it's not wanted but a bug? :) [08:42] *phew* [08:42] ;-) [08:42] I got a ~ 300 pixel high breadcumb bar with very long URIs [08:42] pitti: yeah, I tried 3 times before ensuring that what happened [08:42] I was like "what?" [08:42] *phew* indeed! [08:42] i'm starting to feel like spatial mode was good [08:42] ;) [08:42] chrisccoulson: \o/ [08:43] hey [08:43] hey mlankhorst [08:43] heya didrocks :) [08:45] hah, https://twitter.com/Queen_UK/status/227680063334805505:) [08:45] chrisccoulson, the queen is on twitter? srly? [08:45] lol [08:46] seb128, it's a parody account ;) [08:46] i follow lots of them [08:46] eg, https://twitter.com/Charles_HRH ;) [08:46] I will do a fake chrisccoulson account :p [08:46] lol [08:46] and twitt nice things about chrome! [08:46] ;-) [08:46] haha! [08:47] i'll create a fake seb128 account and tell everyone that you switched to KDE! [08:47] that could go far :p [08:53] or Sweetshark switching to microsoft office? [08:53] google docs rather :) [08:57] any lightdm-gtk-greeter devs here? [08:58] lotheac, it seems that robert_ancell is off for the evening, sorry [08:58] I thought he had more to do with lightdm, not so much with the gtk greeter [08:59] thanks though, maybe I'll talk to him later then [09:06] hum, unity-greeter authentification with fingerprint is broken [09:06] fortunately switch back to another user + ctrl + alt + F7 still shows the GNOME screenlocker which works :) [09:12] seb128: Oh, bah. Sorry! [09:12] * RAOF goes back to dinner. [09:15] RAOF, no worry ;-) [09:27] huzzah! i have a fix for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775143 :0 [09:27] Mozilla bug 775143 in Extension Compatibility "crash in uGlobalMenu::OnOpen when activating HUD in Ubuntu with Firebug" [Critical,New: ] [09:31] chrisccoulson, well done! [09:43] pitti, btw did you try to debug the dbus issue with indicators? do you have any hint on how to do that? [09:43] seb128: no and no :( [09:44] I don't get any error, they just don't appear; but I didn't spend any time on it back then, then had to rush to UDS, and forgot about it afterwards [09:44] everythign else worked fine [09:47] pitti, yeah, I tried to debug a bit yesterday with Laney but it's really not obvious what could be happening [09:47] seems to be on the unity side [09:47] the indicator-tools loader display those fine [09:48] it didn't even change ABI [09:50] pitti, do you have any hint how to debug? [09:50] dbus is crazy nowadays, too much going on to sit an watch the traffic [09:50] seb128: I'm afraid I don't know anything about the innards of indicators, so no :( [09:50] seb128: you could start unity/the panel on a private dbus-launch perhaps [09:50] and then just watch this [09:51] seb128: or use d-feet to see whether the invisible indicators are loaded and whether you can talk to theM? [09:51] but of course it's the indicators themselves which are so utterly chatty, so perhaps the better way is to run dbus-monitor with some filters [09:56] pitti, ok, that seems complex, I'm trying the other way around and figure when it broke ... 1.5.0 works, 1.5.6 doesn't, let's see if I can find what commit broke it [09:57] hey [09:57] I tried in a non-unity session and indicators work fine there [09:57] using gnome-panel [09:59] yeah, they work fine in the indicator loader binary as well [11:21] seb128: no meeting reminder yet? [11:22] seb128: if so, can you include the aentos guys in it? [11:24] Sweetshark: it was sent via launchpad [11:24] check your LP mailbox [11:24] Laney: hah! [11:25] then fix your filters :P [11:48] Sweetshark, what Laney said === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:50] mornin [12:50] cyphermox, hey, how are you? [12:50] so-so [12:58] hmmm, time to fix all of my e-mail filters [12:58] i really regret accidentally erasing them during my 2 weeks off [12:59] server-side filtering FTW \o/ [12:59] versionned in bzr :) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:24] xclaesse, we need tp-mission-control-5 5.13 for libaccounts fixes, right? [13:24] kenvandine, which libaccounts fixes? [13:25] kenvandine, it is required for the upcoming empathy release which adds IM service to online accounts [13:25] alvaro said we needed bumps for webaccounts to work and i see a bug fix for libaccounts in 5.13 [13:25] ok [13:25] just making sure we needed to jump to 5.13 [13:25] yep sure [13:25] cool [13:25] just though you meant that libaccounts actually has a dep on MC [13:26] xclaesse, when do you think we'll have that release? [13:26] kenvandine, we are smoke testing it atm [13:26] kenvandine, will be out today [13:26] awesome [13:26] thx! [13:29] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=18b15e48cb1fa7590620930975796a0c0dcac225 <- yay for Caolans commit messages. [13:33] Sweetshark, hehe [13:34] Sweetshark, obviously the new hardcoded number is less stupid [13:41] seb128: in a way it is: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=117fb70532aeae01327bfe0d828ef8a2d4793b85 [13:41] is anyone else getting display refresh issues in quantal? [13:41] i updated yesterday, just restarted my session and i keep getting corruption all over the screen :/ [13:42] the wonders of having multiple languages and runtimes in one project ... [13:42] chrisccoulson, do you use an xorg ppa or system compositor one? what did you upgrade? when did you upgrade before? [13:43] seb128, no xorg PPA or system compositor. i last updated at the start of my 2 weeks off [13:43] oh, fun to figure what changed... [13:43] yeah.... [13:43] is there any compiz or intel driver update in that run? [13:44] mornin' [13:45] hey bcurtiswx, how are you? [13:45] seb128, doing OK, and you? [13:47] seb128, i can see a unity update [13:48] bcurtiswx, I'm good thanks [13:48] chrisccoulson, I see what you are thinking :p [13:48] heh [13:48] chrisccoulson, well, those unity updates are only gsettings path migration ones from distro [13:49] chrisccoulson, so I doubt it's it [13:49] hmmm :/ [13:49] i'll have another look in a bit [13:49] chrisccoulson, what version did you have before? [13:49] I guess you already had the current upstream version [13:49] seb128, yeah, i already had that [13:50] pitti, ping [13:50] it probably doesn't help that my laptop feels like it's melting [13:50] perhaps i'm killing it ;) [13:51] hey seb128 [13:51] pitti, hey [13:51] pitti, so, some git bisect later [13:51] pitti, http://cgit.freedesktop.org/dbus/dbus/commit/?id=a940e7b1d1b6b832e2ec732a11f495240156fb31 [13:51] is the commit that breaks indicators,unity it seems [13:51] Laney, ^ fyi [13:52] pitti, I will try to ping Simon about it ... do you have any clue why it could,would break stuff? [13:52] pitti, I don't know enough about dbus to say [13:52] sounds like something unity might have to adapt to? [13:53] yeah, I'm pinging the unity guys as well [14:00] oh, so perhaps that needs to go into the d-bus config files for the indicators? [14:00] err, for the services the indicators try to talk to, that is [14:00] I'm not sure what that eavesdropping thing is [14:01] pitti, I will figure it out, thanks [14:01] I guess unity was relying on receiving messages intended for the normal indicator applet stuff [14:01] because it could just see them by mistake [14:10] micahg, i proposed merging my chromium-browser.precise branch, we should really get a precise-security update for chromium [14:10] micahg, for now you can just download the tarball from the quantal package to go with it [14:10] kenvandine, we should get PS to do it ;) [14:10] but i'll bug alex to propose his branch of translation tools [14:11] chrisccoulson, they did fix it :) [14:11] kenvandine: ok, is the branch ready for upload? [14:11] chrisccoulson, but i don't want PS uploading to precise-security :) [14:11] micahg, imo yes... [14:11] i can upload it if you lick [14:11] like even :-D [14:12] i have the tarball and all [14:12] kenvandine: no, it needs to be built in the security PPA [14:12] it's been in the ubuntu-desktop ppa for weeks now [14:12] kenvandine: I'll upload it this week [14:12] great [14:12] kenvandine: thanks for your work on this [14:12] micahg, np [14:16] kenvandine, voilà, empathy 3.5.4.1 released with the SSO magic [14:17] WOOT [14:17] xclaesse, thx [14:17] i just landed tp-mission-control with libaccounts enabled in the PPA [14:17] i'll upload empathy there too [14:18] bcurtiswx, let me get this empathy update... [14:18] kenvandine, but...but.... okay :P [14:18] :) [14:19] kenvandine, oh, i wasn't suggesting to get PS to handle one upload. i was suggesting handing them the maintenance of browsers in the stable releases in general [14:19] kenvandine, anything special on this update? [14:19] libaccounts support [14:27] pitti, Laney: ok, good news, reverting that commit on 1.6.4 gives a working dbus including unity, appmenu and indicators [14:28] yay, great [14:28] seb128, sorry... i completely missed that it was a3 [14:28] pitti, Laney: so we have a working workaround and know where to investigate [14:28] kenvandine, no worry ;-) [14:29] I'll upload that to proposed later then, and raise a bug on unity to get it fixed hopefully. [14:29] Laney, yeah, I pinged unity people, let's see what comes out from it [14:30] rather not be carrying the revert for too long [14:30] * Laney assigns bug [14:30] shall we get rid of the upstart activation patches? [14:30] Laney, pitti: btw you guys are sure we don't need the upstart patches? [14:31] Laney, heh, I was wondering, I don't know enough about that [14:31] I don't /think/ so, and I saw that pitti also said that [14:31] should we check with James? [14:32] (Hunt) [14:32] probably would be a good idea [14:33] Laney, can you do that? ;-) [14:37] Laney, thanks [14:37] np [14:43] seb128: yes; I grepped the entire quantal (including universe), none of the packages use this facility [14:44] Laney: ^ FYI [14:44] ok [14:44] if he wants to keep them for whatever reason i'll know where to assign the porting work :P [14:45] indeed :) [14:48] pitti grepped the universe, seems to have been quick :) [14:49] it's just 10^78 atoms [14:49] (or so) [14:52] Laney, pitti: ok, Simon (dbus upstream) gave me some tips [14:52] to be compatible with both you have to call AddMatch() once with it (without errors ignored), and if that fails, try again without it [14:53] the patch in Bustle (a D-Bus debugging tool) does that [14:53] so I will have a look to that [14:53] waiting for njpatel to reply first, I don't want to waste time to workaround stuff if they can easily fix it [15:14] ok, keep me posted [15:38] TTFN [15:38] seb128, didrocks: see you tomorrow, safe travels! [15:38] didrocks: see you in Madrid already [15:38] pitti, thanks, see you tomorrow, safe travel for you as well! [15:41] pitti: see you tomorrow at Madrid's gate :) [15:41] didrocks, kenvandine, mterry, Sweetshark, tkamppeter, Laney, mlankhorst, cyphermox: the meeting time is in 10 min if you have any topic to add, please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-07-24 (if you didn't do it yet) with what you did as well, thanks [15:41] ups [15:41] it's 10 past meeting time rather ;-) [15:42] * didrocks was thinking for a second that he went to a black hole :) [15:42] well anyway if you have any topic it's the moment to speak [15:42] didrocks, I shouldn't copy paste without checking :p [15:42] hehe [15:42] seb128: ahah, *doh* :) [15:42] no but let me share some insight that should be generally applicable: redoing kernel api's suck. :-) [15:42] i was about to ask if your clock was wrong [15:42] just for info didrocks robert_ancell me and some others are at GUADEC starting tomorrow [15:43] so we might be a bit less online for a week [15:43] feel free to drop emails though if needed or if you need us to bring any topic or get things figured while we are there [15:43] oh and double suck if it's kernel api's you're touching. [15:44] mlankhorst, why would anyone ever redo kernel apis? ;-) [15:44] it's not inside the kernel yet [15:45] oh and if you're a binary driver you probably redo several api's === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [16:25] * ogra_ wonders why gnome-screensaver turns the screen into a bright grey instead of blanking it in todays images [16:26] is there a bug open about that ? i see it on all arm images [17:27] * didrocks waves good evening! Have fun everyone :) [19:04] kenvandine, can I force a 10.04 install to LTS->LTS upgrade before 12.04.1 ? === zyga is now known as zyga-afk === Ursinha` is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Guest69114 [19:05] seb128, ^^ you know either? [19:07] or is it just command line, edit source.list.d for precise and pray? [19:08] bcurtiswx, you can probably run software-properties-gtk, go to "release upgrade" and change the combo to not be lts only [19:09] bcurtiswx, the combo has the bottom has a "when to notify about upgrades" [19:23] seb128, thx [19:35] bcurtiswx: I believe running update-manager -d and have that box set to lts is what you want [19:36] I don't have any computers that old to try it myself === fenris_ is now known as Guest9382 [20:20] Sweetshark, still there? [21:05] seb128: see you tomorrow? [21:06] desrt, hope so ;-) [21:06] desrt, I should be there on time for dinner [21:06] same, i think [21:06] * desrt arrives 5pm [21:07] desrt, lucky you [21:07] desrt, you are in the same plane from Madrid that didrocks pitti and robert_ancell [21:08] i heard about robert [21:08] didn't know about didrocks and pitti [21:09] Didier told me today [21:09] well I don't complain, I got teuf and larsu on my plane [21:10] we arrive at 19h50 [21:10] so we will be there for the pre-registration party at 21h [21:46] sprint? [21:57] robert_ancell due in soon? [22:01] chrisccoulson: still around? [22:01] hi jasoncwarner_. yeah, i'm still around :) [22:02] hey chrisccoulson is there something going on with FF right now? I sent you a quick email on it, but it is really, REALLY flaky for me right now [22:03] jasoncwarner_, oh, i think seb128 was investigating general issues with indicators / appmenu / dbus earlier [22:03] it's most probably related [22:04] chrisccoulson: ah, ok...thanks. [22:05] kenvandine, still around and not busy? [22:06] jasoncwarner_, oh, actually, it can't be that. that was with the new version of dbus which isn't in the archive yet [22:06] jasoncwarner_, do you have any other addons installed? [22:07] jbicha, got a minute or two? [22:07] chrisccoulson: I can't actually tell you if I do b/c I can't use FF...hogs tons of resource and is generally unstable for me at th emoment so I can't really keep it open [22:07] I don't think I have any others [22:07] though [22:08] bcurtiswx: sure, what's up? [22:09] jbicha, I did a build and i have new symbols generated from dpkg-gensymbols. What needs to be done with those? [22:10] bcurtiswx: they need to be added to the debian/*.symbols file [22:10] jbicha, there's ones that are with the - and others (with the newer version) with the + [22:10] be sure to leave off the part after the hyphen, for instance 3.5.3 instead of 3.5.3-0ubuntu1 [22:11] right, the - are deleted rows and the + are added rows, it's a diff format so you can just patch the diff to the existing symbols file [22:11] nothing has the -0ubuntu1 but instead 3.5.4-1 [22:11] I usually just do it manually, which probably means I do it wrong [22:12] your version number should be -0ubuntu1 unless it's going to Debian first [22:12] but in your symbols file you need to correct it to be just 3.5.4 [22:13] Ubuntu & Debian can't both use 3.5.4-1 as a version number if those packages aren't exactly the same [22:14] ah i see what I did [22:14] but anything in a symbols diff can be patched after removing the -0ubuntu1 after [22:15] yes, you can do patch -p0 < nameofyoursymbols.diff [22:15] you should at least skim it to make sure the changes are sane [22:15] Laney, what would make something not-sane ? [22:15] mistakes [22:16] for example an undeclared compatibility break or a private symbol which accidently becomes visible [22:17] generally, symbol removals should get a soname bump (which I believe is the case for the library you're working on) [22:17] jbicha, it is, seems upstream has a number .. im gonna pastebin the symbols just for questions.. one sec [22:17] i'm just saying that you shouldn't blindly apply the patch [22:17] usually they will be correct, but not always [22:18] Laney, yup, and i'd like to learn what a bad section would look like so it throws red flags in my head [22:18] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1109113 [22:19] you can ignore the 3.5.4-1 im fixing that in the changelog before i build again [22:21] jbicha, Laney any warning signs in that one.. if not know any examples of what one may look like? [22:22] you need to bzr mv debian/libgdl-3-2.symbols to debian/libgdl-3-4.symbols [22:23] you need to change the first line of your original symbols file to libgdl-3.so.4 libgdl-3-4 #MINVER# [22:23] jbicha, to match soname? [22:23] yes [22:23] you also need to bzr mv the *.install file to match the symbols file and update debian/control for your new library name [22:24] after you've done all that and run the install again you won't have as much of a diff [22:29] this example may help: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/libgweather/ubuntu/revision/38 [22:31] jbicha, thx [22:31] you don't have to edit debian/control manually for the pkg-gnome packages [22:31] you can run fakeroot debian/rules clean [22:31] that's mentioned at http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/packaging.html [22:32] most of the rest of that page is specific to the Debian svn though [22:32] but you do edit the debian/control.in [22:33] jbicha, yup i saw that :) thx [22:40] jasoncwarner_, oh, you can figure out if you have any other addons installed by reporting a bug :) (ubuntu-bug firefox) [22:40] it will attach that, along with preferences and lots of other helpful data ;) [22:48] chrisccoulson: thanks...will do that. FYI...def *seems* menu related. Menus froze firefox, killed firefox, menus still there. had to hard reboot [22:48] jasoncwarner_, does it get better if you kill hud-service before starting it? [22:48] i'll bet money that it does ;) [22:48] chrisccoulson: I'll try that next time... [22:49] thanks [22:49]