[00:03] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, you getting overtime? :P
[00:18] <robru> just got bitten by bug 923841 on quantal. buh.
[00:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 923841 in intltool "intltool glade support doesn't work with menus" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923841
[03:44] <pitti> chrisccoulson: new nautilus> yeah, it even breaks the backspace key, which in turn breaks my patience
[03:58] <desrt> pitti: surely that is a mistake...
[05:43] <didrocks> good morning
[05:45] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[05:46] <RAOF> Hey, ho, didrocks!
[05:46] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti, hey RAOF!
[05:47] <RAOF> didrocks: Did you know about the “Investigate locally” button on the apport popup when you've got apport-retrace installed?
[05:47] <RAOF> This is my new favourite thing!
[05:47] <didrocks> RAOF: I never used it, I'm still apport-unpack && gdb :)
[05:47] <RAOF> (And my new least-favourite thing is crashes in X's error reporting only when built with optimisations)
[05:48] <pitti> didrocks: *gasp* documentation! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[05:48] <didrocks> ahah, typical joyness :)
[05:48] <didrocks> pitti: wow, with screenshots!
[05:48] <pitti> yeah, and by how bad they are you can see that I took them
[05:48] <didrocks> ok, I install apport-retrace and make my fingers happy :)
[05:49] <didrocks> done :)
[05:49] <pitti> didrocks: unpack and gdb doesn't give you the debug symbols, though?
[05:49] <didrocks> pitti: most of the time, I have them installed already or built on my machine with pkg-create-dbgsym
[07:05] <chrisccoulson> sigh @ bug 1028266. i can't believe somebody would actually report that as a bug. do people really look for things like that?
[07:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1028266 in firefox "firefox license change not reflected in /usr/share/doc/firefox/copyright" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1028266
[07:07] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i think i'm going to struggle to like the new nautilus :(
[07:08] <chrisccoulson> it also no longer displays folders before files either, which i also dislike quite a lot :/
[07:09] <pitti> there's an option for that, though
[07:11] <chrisccoulson> oh, i didn't realize that
[07:12] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, the option doesn't work here
[07:12] <chrisccoulson> the checkbox immediately unchecks itself again
[07:17] <jibel> pitti, good morning
[07:17] <jibel> pitti, do you know the status of bug 1026066 ?
[07:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1026066 in software-properties "software-properties-gtk crashed with ImportError in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/aptdaemon/client.py: No module named gobject" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1026066
[07:17] <pitti> didrocks: nice, iberia has mobile tickets, and already allow checking in
[07:17] <pitti> bonjour jibel, ca va?
[07:18] <pitti> jibel: it's fixed in trunk, but not yet uploaded into the distro apparently
[07:18] <jibel> pitti, ça va bien, et toi ?
[07:18] <pitti> jibel: do you know how to trigger it? I played around with software-properties and can't reproduce it
[07:18] <pitti> ooh
[07:18] <pitti> I guess I hacked aptdaemon locally
[07:18] <pitti> jibel: je suis bien, merci!
[07:18] <didrocks> pitti: oh you can? I can't checking in personnaly
[07:19] <pitti> jibel: I'll have a look at this and upload
[07:19] <jibel> pitti, start update manager then click  on 'Settings...'
[07:22] <pitti> jibel: I reinstalled aptdaemon now, starting software-properties-gtk is enough to trigger it
[07:22]  * pitti bumps severity
[07:27] <pitti> jibel: hm, both the current quantal as well as my new package FTBFS for me in the test suite; investigating
[07:29] <pitti> didrocks: perhaps you leave later, and still need to wait a bit
[07:30] <didrocks> pitti: I'm leaving at 7h35 from Lyon. I can book from Lyon -> Paris -> Madrid, but it's with AF
[07:31] <didrocks> so I guess they don't want to ensure the connexion
[07:31] <pitti> jibel: fix confirmed locally; waiting for package in my PPA to build
[08:05] <seb128> hey
[08:06] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:06] <didrocks> seb128: meeting report reminder day!
[08:06] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:07] <seb128> hey didrocks, pitti, ca va bien ?
[08:07] <seb128> didrocks, indeed it is, thanks!
[08:07] <didrocks> ça va bien, et toi?
[08:11] <seb128> didrocks, ca va bien!
[08:11] <seb128> pitti, danke for the aptdaemon upload
[08:13] <pitti> seb128: de rien; took a bit, I have some trouble with the tests
[08:13] <pitti> the current version that's in the archive now fails in the tests
[08:13] <seb128> oh :-(
[08:15] <seb128> RAOF, hey
[08:16] <seb128> RAOF, "Chris Halse Rogers has proposed merging lp:~ubuntu-desktop/lightdm/ubuntu into lp:lightdm." ... somewhat that looks wrong ;-)
[08:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, pitti: I'm pondering re-uploading nautilus 3.4 as a nautilus-3.4 source
[08:22] <seb128> or nautilus-with-features
[08:22] <seb128> though that's not really maintainable over time
[08:22] <pitti> without the library packages then? i. e. statically linked or private libdir or so?
[08:22] <pitti> yeah, I guess we'll just need to swallow it
[08:23] <seb128> sometimes with GNOME it's good to let them one or two cycle to shape up things and get refactoring done
[08:23] <seb128> pitti, well, the library interfaces didn't change yet, so I think we could build the lib from 3.6 and use it in 3.4
[08:23] <pitti> if it's expected to get better, you could also just keep nautilus at 3.4?
[08:24] <seb128> it will get better for some value of better...
[08:24] <seb128> like they replaced typeahead with the dumb search and don't plan to change it back
[08:24] <seb128> or they dropped the compact view which quite some people liked
[08:25] <seb128> well I can make a long list of useful stuff they dropped, and I would not be surprised if they still drop a bunch
[08:25] <pitti> :-(
[08:25] <seb128> I think they somewhat lean toward being more a tablet UI than a desktop one
[08:29] <seb128> hum
[08:29] <seb128> rather than bringing back nautilus 3.4 I think we should probably get marlin in
[08:35] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[08:36] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's a shame about the typeahead. i'm not sure i can live without that yet :(
[08:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[08:36] <seb128> their search sucks as well
[08:37] <seb128> the reply from mccann was "we will depends on tracker that should make the search efficient"
[08:37] <seb128> that's for some definition of efficient I guess...
[08:37] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i'm not too bad thanks
[08:39] <seb128> hum, tried marlin from https://launchpad.net/~d.filoni/+archive/quantal-builds/+packages
[08:40] <seb128> it's a bit like the old nautilus but doesn't feel as nice and it's lacking u1 integration for example
[08:40]  * seb128 uninstall
[08:40] <seb128> want my old nautilus back!
[08:40] <pitti> mc!
[08:40] <chrisccoulson> heh, i've not tried marlin for a while
[08:40] <pitti> yeah, I really miss typeahead, too
[08:40] <chrisccoulson> perhaps i should try and write my own file browser?
[08:40] <pitti> almost as much as backspace
[08:41] <seb128> I ctrl-L and type in the url bar as a workaround
[08:41] <pitti> well, typing ahead somewhat works, but filtering the whole view instead of just jumping to the file is a bit confusing
[08:41] <didrocks> what I don't like is when you copy/cut a file and try to paste it, it files the breadcrumb with the origin url
[08:41] <didrocks> instead of pasting/moving the file
[08:41] <pitti> ooh, that's what it does?
[08:41] <seb128> didrocks, ok thanks for reminding me, I need to backport that fix
[08:41] <pitti> I copied a few music files to my phone yesterday and it got completely messed up
[08:41]  * seb128 does
[08:41] <didrocks> seb128: ah? it's not wanted but a bug? :)
[08:42] <didrocks> *phew*
[08:42] <seb128> ;-)
[08:42] <pitti> I got a ~ 300 pixel high breadcumb bar with very long URIs
[08:42] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I tried 3 times before ensuring that what happened
[08:42] <didrocks> I was like "what?"
[08:42] <pitti> *phew* indeed!
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> i'm starting to feel like spatial mode was good
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[08:42] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: \o/
[08:43] <mlankhorst> hey
[08:43] <didrocks> hey mlankhorst
[08:43] <mlankhorst> heya didrocks :)
[08:45] <chrisccoulson> hah, https://twitter.com/Queen_UK/status/227680063334805505:)
[08:45] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the queen is on twitter? srly?
[08:45] <seb128> lol
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it's a parody account ;)
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> i follow lots of them
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> eg, https://twitter.com/Charles_HRH ;)
[08:46] <seb128> I will do a fake chrisccoulson account :p
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> lol
[08:46] <seb128> and twitt nice things about chrome!
[08:46] <seb128> ;-)
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> haha!
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> i'll create a fake seb128 account and tell everyone that you switched to KDE!
[08:47] <seb128> that could go far :p
[08:53] <mlankhorst> or Sweetshark switching to microsoft office?
[08:53] <didrocks> google docs rather :)
[08:57] <lotheac> any lightdm-gtk-greeter devs here?
[08:58] <rickspencer3> lotheac, it seems that robert_ancell is off for the evening, sorry
[08:58] <lotheac> I thought he had more to do with lightdm, not so much with the gtk greeter
[08:59] <lotheac> thanks though, maybe I'll talk to him later then
[09:06] <didrocks> hum, unity-greeter authentification with fingerprint is broken
[09:06] <didrocks> fortunately switch back to another user + ctrl + alt + F7 still shows the GNOME screenlocker which works :)
[09:12] <RAOF> seb128: Oh, bah. Sorry!
[09:12]  * RAOF goes back to dinner.
[09:15] <seb128> RAOF, no worry ;-)
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> huzzah! i have a fix for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775143 :0
[09:27] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 775143 in Extension Compatibility "crash in uGlobalMenu::OnOpen when activating HUD in Ubuntu with Firebug" [Critical,New: ]
[09:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well done!
[09:43] <seb128> pitti, btw did you try to debug the dbus issue with indicators? do you have any hint on how to do that?
[09:43] <pitti> seb128: no and no :(
[09:44] <pitti> I don't get any error, they just don't appear; but I didn't spend any time on it back then, then had to rush to UDS, and forgot about it afterwards
[09:44] <pitti> everythign else worked fine
[09:47] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I tried to debug a bit yesterday with Laney but it's really not obvious what could be happening
[09:47] <seb128> seems to be on the unity side
[09:47] <seb128> the indicator-tools loader display those fine
[09:48] <pitti> it didn't even change ABI
[09:50] <seb128> pitti, do you have any hint how to debug?
[09:50] <seb128> dbus is crazy nowadays, too much going on to sit an watch the traffic
[09:50] <pitti> seb128: I'm afraid I don't know anything about the innards of indicators, so no :(
[09:50] <pitti> seb128: you could start unity/the panel on a private dbus-launch perhaps
[09:50] <pitti> and then just watch this
[09:51] <pitti> seb128: or use d-feet to see whether the invisible indicators are loaded and whether you can talk to theM?
[09:51] <pitti> but of course it's the indicators themselves which are so utterly chatty, so perhaps the better way is to run dbus-monitor with some filters
[09:56] <seb128> pitti, ok, that seems complex, I'm trying the other way around and figure when it broke ... 1.5.0 works, 1.5.6 doesn't, let's see if I can find what commit broke it
[09:57] <Laney> hey
[09:57] <Laney> I tried in a non-unity session and indicators work fine there
[09:57] <Laney> using gnome-panel
[09:59] <seb128> yeah, they work fine in the indicator loader binary as well
[11:21] <Sweetshark> seb128: no meeting reminder yet?
[11:22] <Sweetshark> seb128: if so, can you include the aentos guys in it?
[11:24] <Laney> Sweetshark: it was sent via launchpad
[11:24] <Laney> check your LP mailbox
[11:24] <Sweetshark> Laney: hah!
[11:25] <Laney> then fix your filters :P
[11:48] <seb128> Sweetshark, what Laney said
[12:50] <cyphermox> mornin
[12:50] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, how are you?
[12:50] <cyphermox> so-so
[12:58] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, time to fix all of my e-mail filters
[12:58] <chrisccoulson> i really regret accidentally erasing them during my 2 weeks off
[12:59] <didrocks> server-side filtering FTW \o/
[12:59] <didrocks> versionned in bzr :)
[13:24] <kenvandine> xclaesse, we need tp-mission-control-5 5.13 for libaccounts fixes, right?
[13:24] <xclaesse> kenvandine, which libaccounts fixes?
[13:25] <xclaesse> kenvandine, it is required for the upcoming empathy release which adds IM service to online accounts
[13:25] <kenvandine> alvaro said we needed bumps for webaccounts to work and i see a bug fix for libaccounts in 5.13
[13:25] <kenvandine> ok
[13:25] <kenvandine> just making sure we needed to jump to 5.13
[13:25] <xclaesse> yep sure
[13:25] <kenvandine> cool
[13:25] <xclaesse> just though you meant that libaccounts actually has a dep on MC
[13:26] <kenvandine> xclaesse, when do you think we'll have that release?
[13:26] <xclaesse> kenvandine, we are smoke testing it atm
[13:26] <xclaesse> kenvandine, will be out today
[13:26] <kenvandine> awesome
[13:26] <kenvandine> thx!
[13:29] <Sweetshark> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=18b15e48cb1fa7590620930975796a0c0dcac225 <- yay for Caolans commit messages.
[13:33] <kenvandine> Sweetshark, hehe
[13:34] <seb128> Sweetshark, obviously the new hardcoded number is less stupid
[13:41] <Sweetshark> seb128: in a way it is: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=117fb70532aeae01327bfe0d828ef8a2d4793b85
[13:41] <chrisccoulson> is anyone else getting display refresh issues in quantal?
[13:41] <chrisccoulson> i updated yesterday, just restarted my session and i keep getting corruption all over the screen :/
[13:42] <Sweetshark> the wonders of having multiple languages and runtimes in one project ...
[13:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you use an xorg ppa or system compositor one? what did you upgrade? when did you upgrade before?
[13:43] <chrisccoulson> seb128, no xorg PPA or system compositor. i last updated at the start of my 2 weeks off
[13:43] <seb128> oh, fun to figure what changed...
[13:43] <chrisccoulson> yeah....
[13:43] <seb128> is there any compiz or intel driver update in that run?
[13:44] <bcurtiswx> mornin'
[13:45] <seb128> hey bcurtiswx, how are you?
[13:45] <bcurtiswx> seb128, doing OK, and you?
[13:47] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i can see a unity update
[13:48] <seb128> bcurtiswx, I'm good thanks
[13:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I see what you are thinking :p
[13:48] <chrisccoulson> heh
[13:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well, those unity updates are only gsettings path migration ones from distro
[13:49] <seb128> chrisccoulson, so I doubt it's it
[13:49] <chrisccoulson> hmmm :/
[13:49] <chrisccoulson> i'll have another look in a bit
[13:49] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what version did you have before?
[13:49] <seb128> I guess you already had the current upstream version
[13:49] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i already had that
[13:50] <seb128> pitti, ping
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> it probably doesn't help that my laptop feels like it's melting
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> perhaps i'm killing it ;)
[13:51] <pitti> hey seb128
[13:51] <seb128> pitti, hey
[13:51] <seb128> pitti, so, some git bisect later
[13:51] <seb128> pitti, http://cgit.freedesktop.org/dbus/dbus/commit/?id=a940e7b1d1b6b832e2ec732a11f495240156fb31
[13:51] <seb128> is the commit that breaks indicators,unity it seems
[13:51] <seb128> Laney, ^ fyi
[13:52] <seb128> pitti, I will try to ping Simon about it ... do you have any clue why it could,would break stuff?
[13:52] <seb128> pitti, I don't know enough about dbus to say
[13:52] <Laney> sounds like something unity might have to adapt to?
[13:53] <seb128> yeah, I'm pinging the unity guys as well
[14:00] <pitti> oh, so perhaps that needs to go into the d-bus config files for the indicators?
[14:00] <pitti> err, for the services the indicators try to talk to, that is
[14:00] <pitti> I'm not sure what that eavesdropping thing is
[14:01] <seb128> pitti, I will figure it out, thanks
[14:01] <Laney> I guess unity was relying on receiving messages intended for the normal indicator applet stuff
[14:01] <Laney> because it could just see them by mistake
[14:10] <kenvandine> micahg, i proposed merging my chromium-browser.precise branch, we should really get a precise-security update for chromium
[14:10] <kenvandine> micahg, for now you can just download the tarball from the quantal package to go with it
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, we should get PS to do it ;)
[14:10] <kenvandine> but i'll bug alex to propose his branch of translation tools
[14:11] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, they did fix it :)
[14:11] <micahg> kenvandine: ok, is the branch ready for upload?
[14:11] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, but i don't want PS uploading to precise-security :)
[14:11] <kenvandine> micahg, imo yes...
[14:11] <kenvandine> i can upload it if you lick
[14:11] <kenvandine> like even :-D
[14:12] <kenvandine> i have the tarball and all
[14:12] <micahg> kenvandine: no, it needs to be built in the security PPA
[14:12] <kenvandine> it's been in the ubuntu-desktop ppa for weeks now
[14:12] <micahg> kenvandine: I'll upload it this week
[14:12] <kenvandine> great
[14:12] <micahg> kenvandine: thanks for your work on this
[14:12] <kenvandine> micahg, np
[14:16] <xclaesse> kenvandine, voilà, empathy 3.5.4.1 released with the SSO magic
[14:17] <kenvandine> WOOT
[14:17] <kenvandine> xclaesse, thx
[14:17] <kenvandine> i just landed tp-mission-control with libaccounts enabled in the PPA
[14:17] <kenvandine> i'll upload empathy there too
[14:18] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, let me get this empathy update...
[14:18] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, but...but.... okay :P
[14:18] <kenvandine> :)
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, oh, i wasn't suggesting to get PS to handle one upload. i was suggesting handing them the maintenance of browsers in the stable releases in general
[14:19] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, anything special on this update?
[14:19] <kenvandine> libaccounts support
[14:27] <seb128> pitti, Laney: ok, good news, reverting that commit on 1.6.4 gives a working dbus including unity, appmenu and indicators
[14:28] <Laney> yay, great
[14:28] <kenvandine> seb128, sorry... i completely missed that it was a3
[14:28] <seb128> pitti, Laney: so we have a working workaround and know where to investigate
[14:28] <seb128> kenvandine, no worry ;-)
[14:29] <Laney> I'll upload that to proposed later then, and raise a bug on unity to get it fixed hopefully.
[14:29] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I pinged unity people, let's see what comes out from it
[14:30] <Laney> rather not be carrying the revert for too long
[14:30]  * Laney assigns bug
[14:30] <Laney> shall we get rid of the upstart activation patches?
[14:30] <seb128> Laney, pitti: btw you guys are sure we don't need the upstart patches?
[14:31] <seb128> Laney, heh, I was wondering, I don't know enough about that
[14:31] <Laney> I don't /think/ so, and I saw that pitti also said that
[14:31] <seb128> should we check with James?
[14:32] <seb128> (Hunt)
[14:32] <Laney> probably would be a good idea
[14:33] <seb128> Laney, can you do that? ;-)
[14:37] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[14:37] <Laney> np
[14:43] <pitti> seb128: yes; I grepped the entire quantal (including universe), none of the packages use this facility
[14:44] <pitti> Laney: ^ FYI
[14:44] <Laney> ok
[14:44] <Laney> if he wants to keep them for whatever reason i'll know where to assign the porting work :P
[14:45] <pitti> indeed :)
[14:48] <didrocks> pitti grepped the universe, seems to have been quick :)
[14:49] <pitti> it's just 10^78 atoms
[14:49] <pitti> (or so)
[14:52] <seb128> Laney, pitti: ok, Simon (dbus upstream) gave me some tips
 to be compatible with both you have to call AddMatch() once with it (without errors ignored), and if that fails, try again without it
 the patch in Bustle (a D-Bus debugging tool) does that
[14:53] <seb128> so I will have a look to that
[14:53] <seb128> waiting for njpatel to reply first, I don't want to waste time to workaround stuff if they can easily fix it
[15:14] <Laney> ok, keep me posted
[15:38] <pitti> TTFN
[15:38] <pitti> seb128, didrocks: see you tomorrow, safe travels!
[15:38] <pitti> didrocks: see you in Madrid already
[15:38] <seb128> pitti, thanks, see you tomorrow, safe travel for you as well!
[15:41] <didrocks> pitti: see you tomorrow at Madrid's gate :)
[15:41] <seb128> didrocks, kenvandine, mterry, Sweetshark, tkamppeter, Laney, mlankhorst, cyphermox: the meeting time is in 10 min if you have any topic to add, please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-07-24 (if you didn't do it yet) with what you did as well, thanks
[15:41] <seb128> ups
[15:41] <seb128> it's 10 past meeting time rather ;-)
[15:42]  * didrocks was thinking for a second that he went to a black hole :)
[15:42] <seb128> well anyway if you have any topic it's the moment to speak
[15:42] <seb128> didrocks, I shouldn't copy paste without checking :p
[15:42] <kenvandine> hehe
[15:42] <didrocks> seb128: ahah, *doh* :)
[15:42] <mlankhorst> no but let me share some insight that should be generally applicable: redoing kernel api's suck. :-)
[15:42] <kenvandine> i was about to ask if your clock was wrong
[15:42] <seb128> just for info didrocks robert_ancell me and some others are at GUADEC starting tomorrow
[15:43] <seb128> so we might be a bit less online for a week
[15:43] <seb128> feel free to drop emails though if needed or if you need us to bring any topic or get things figured while we are there
[15:43] <mlankhorst> oh and double suck if it's kernel api's you're touching.
[15:44] <seb128> mlankhorst, why would anyone ever redo kernel apis? ;-)
[15:44] <mlankhorst> it's not inside the kernel yet
[15:45] <mlankhorst> oh and if you're a binary driver you probably redo several api's
[16:25]  * ogra_ wonders why gnome-screensaver turns the screen into a bright grey instead of blanking it in todays images
[16:26] <ogra_> is there a bug open about that ? i see it on all arm images
[17:27]  * didrocks waves good evening! Have fun everyone :)
[19:04] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, can I force a 10.04 install to LTS->LTS upgrade before 12.04.1 ?
[19:05] <bcurtiswx> seb128, ^^ you know either?
[19:07] <bcurtiswx> or is it just command line, edit source.list.d for precise and pray?
[19:08] <seb128> bcurtiswx, you can probably run software-properties-gtk, go to "release upgrade" and change the combo to not be lts only
[19:09] <seb128> bcurtiswx, the combo has the bottom has a "when to notify about upgrades"
[19:23] <bcurtiswx> seb128, thx
[19:35] <jbicha> bcurtiswx: I believe running update-manager -d and have that box set to lts is what you want
[19:36] <jbicha> I don't have any computers that old to try it myself
[20:20] <seb128> Sweetshark, still there?
[21:05] <desrt> seb128: see you tomorrow?
[21:06] <seb128> desrt, hope so ;-)
[21:06] <seb128> desrt, I should be there on time for dinner
[21:06] <desrt> same, i think
[21:06]  * desrt arrives 5pm
[21:07] <seb128> desrt, lucky you
[21:07] <seb128> desrt, you are in the same plane from Madrid that didrocks pitti and robert_ancell
[21:08] <desrt> i heard about robert
[21:08] <desrt> didn't know about didrocks and pitti
[21:09] <seb128> Didier told me today
[21:09] <seb128> well I don't complain, I got teuf and larsu on my plane
[21:10] <seb128> we arrive at 19h50
[21:10] <seb128> so we will be there for the pre-registration party at 21h
[21:46] <bcurtiswx> sprint?
[21:57] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell due in soon?
[22:01] <jasoncwarner_> chrisccoulson: still around?
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> hi jasoncwarner_. yeah, i'm still around :)
[22:02] <jasoncwarner_> hey chrisccoulson is there something going on with FF right now? I sent you a quick email on it, but it is really, REALLY flaky for me right now
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> jasoncwarner_, oh, i think seb128 was investigating general issues with indicators / appmenu / dbus earlier
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> it's most probably related
[22:04] <jasoncwarner_> chrisccoulson: ah, ok...thanks.
[22:05] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, still around and not busy?
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> jasoncwarner_, oh, actually, it can't be that. that was with the new version of dbus which isn't in the archive yet
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> jasoncwarner_, do you have any other addons installed?
[22:07] <bcurtiswx> jbicha, got a minute or two?
[22:07] <jasoncwarner_> chrisccoulson: I can't actually tell you if I do b/c I can't use FF...hogs tons of resource and is generally unstable for me at th emoment so I can't really keep it open
[22:07] <jasoncwarner_> I don't think I have any others
[22:07] <jasoncwarner_> though
[22:08] <jbicha> bcurtiswx: sure, what's up?
[22:09] <bcurtiswx> jbicha, I did a build and i have new symbols generated from dpkg-gensymbols. What needs to be done with those?
[22:10] <jbicha> bcurtiswx: they need to be added to the debian/*.symbols file
[22:10] <bcurtiswx> jbicha, there's ones that are with the - and others (with the newer version) with the +
[22:10] <jbicha> be sure to leave off the part after the hyphen, for instance 3.5.3 instead of 3.5.3-0ubuntu1
[22:11] <jbicha> right, the - are deleted rows and the + are added rows, it's a diff format so you can just patch the diff to the existing symbols file
[22:11] <bcurtiswx> nothing has the -0ubuntu1 but instead 3.5.4-1
[22:11] <jbicha> I usually just do it manually, which probably means I do it wrong
[22:12] <jbicha> your version number should be -0ubuntu1 unless it's going to Debian first
[22:12] <jbicha> but in your symbols file you need to correct it to be just 3.5.4
[22:13] <jbicha> Ubuntu & Debian can't both use 3.5.4-1 as a version number if those packages aren't exactly the same
[22:14] <bcurtiswx> ah i see what I did
[22:14] <bcurtiswx> but anything in a symbols diff can be patched after removing the -0ubuntu1 after
[22:15] <jbicha> yes, you can do patch -p0 < nameofyoursymbols.diff
[22:15] <Laney> you should at least skim it to make sure the changes are sane
[22:15] <bcurtiswx> Laney, what would make something not-sane ?
[22:15] <Laney> mistakes
[22:16] <Laney> for example an undeclared compatibility break or a private symbol which accidently becomes visible
[22:17] <jbicha> generally, symbol removals should get a soname bump (which I believe is the case for the library you're working on)
[22:17] <bcurtiswx> jbicha, it is, seems upstream has a number .. im gonna pastebin the symbols just for questions.. one sec
[22:17] <Laney> i'm just saying that you shouldn't blindly apply the patch
[22:17] <Laney> usually they will be correct, but not always
[22:18] <bcurtiswx> Laney, yup, and i'd like to learn what a bad section would look like so it throws red flags in my head
[22:18] <bcurtiswx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1109113
[22:19] <bcurtiswx> you can ignore the 3.5.4-1 im fixing that in the changelog before i build again
[22:21] <bcurtiswx> jbicha, Laney any warning signs in that one.. if not know any examples of what one may look like?
[22:22] <jbicha> you need to bzr mv debian/libgdl-3-2.symbols to debian/libgdl-3-4.symbols
[22:23] <jbicha> you need to change the first line of your original symbols file to libgdl-3.so.4 libgdl-3-4 #MINVER#
[22:23] <bcurtiswx> jbicha, to match soname?
[22:23] <jbicha> yes
[22:23] <jbicha> you also need to bzr mv the *.install file to match the symbols file and update debian/control for your new library name
[22:24] <jbicha> after you've done all that and run the install again you won't have as much of a diff
[22:29] <jbicha> this example may help: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/libgweather/ubuntu/revision/38
[22:31] <bcurtiswx> jbicha, thx
[22:31] <jbicha> you don't have to edit debian/control manually for the pkg-gnome packages
[22:31] <jbicha> you can run fakeroot debian/rules clean
[22:31] <jbicha> that's mentioned at http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/packaging.html
[22:32] <jbicha> most of the rest of that page is specific to the Debian svn though
[22:32] <jbicha> but you do edit the debian/control.in
[22:33] <bcurtiswx> jbicha, yup i saw that :) thx
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> jasoncwarner_, oh, you can figure out if you have any other addons installed by reporting a bug :) (ubuntu-bug firefox)
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> it will attach that, along with preferences and lots of other helpful data ;)
[22:48] <jasoncwarner_> chrisccoulson: thanks...will do that. FYI...def *seems* menu related. Menus froze firefox, killed firefox, menus still there. had to hard reboot
[22:48] <chrisccoulson> jasoncwarner_, does it get better if you kill hud-service before starting it?
[22:48] <chrisccoulson> i'll bet money that it does ;)
[22:48] <jasoncwarner_> chrisccoulson: I'll try that next time...
[22:49] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[22:49] <bcurtiswx> is robert_ancell usually in about now? or is he USA time ?
[22:52] <jasoncwarner_> bcurtiswx: he should be travelling to GUADEC so I doubt you'll see him online anytime soon
[22:52] <bcurtiswx> jasoncwarner_, thx
[22:53] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh TheMuso RAOF https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-07-24 please update and add agenda items, if any.
[22:54] <jasoncwarner_> (we never seem to have agenda items ;) )
[22:54] <jbicha> robert lives in New Zealand
[22:58] <bcurtiswx> jbicha, ah that time zone.. it's like 12 hours diff almost IIRC
[23:03] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: And at least from me, I have none.
[23:03] <jasoncwarner_> thanks TheMuso
[23:04] <RAOF> Also none from me.
[23:07] <bryceh> none here either
[23:10] <bcurtiswx> anyone wants: https://code.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/quantal/gdl/3.5.4-0ubuntu1/+merge/116567
[23:11] <bcurtiswx> and also: https://code.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/quantal/gvfs/1.13.3-0ubuntu1/+merge/116046