[00:16] oh I reinstalled server one thing I releasied [00:16] what can be wrong with not getting auto complete ? [00:16] glosoli: ie no tab completion with bash? [00:17] yes [00:17] type bash [00:17] and try again [00:17] if it doesn't work, somehow your default bash-settings doesn't contain auto completion. [00:18] it kinda works, but won't autocomplete for words like apt-get install for install exactly [00:18] probably because of root ? [00:19] install shouldn't be covered by completion. it's part of input to the command, not a command. [00:19] I might be wrong. [00:21] I am wrong [00:22] that's plain weird. [00:22] (not being wrong, but the completion not working) [00:23] ewook: hah ok [01:16] New bug: #1028204 in apache2 (main) "/etc/apache2/sites-available/default-ssl contain a regex error at line 169" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1028204 [01:41] New bug: #1028207 in openssh (main) ""launcher icon size is fixed":" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1028207 === n0ts_off is now known as n0ts [01:59] hi, how can I tell whether the installed OS is ubuntu server or ubuntu desktop? [02:00] dpkg -l | grep gnome [02:00] :) === Aaton is now known as Aaton_off [02:03] glosoli: but may be whoever installed it, didn't install gnome or just removed it, can't I tell from the kernel or something? [02:05] edgy: sorry might be not :) [02:06] not sure [02:06] ok let me explain my problem [02:06] I noticed in my desktop when a kernel update is available, a file /var/run/reboot... is created, now in my server I don't get that file so I don't know when to reboot, I thought may be the server does it in a different way [02:10] wha can be the problem that apache won't start after reboot [02:15] edgy, if you installed a kernel update, you need a reboot [02:15] by default, a simple apt-get upgrade will not update the kernel [02:16] qman__: there unattended-upgrades that can boot and i am going to try it === n0ts is now known as n0ts_off === Aaton_off is now known as Aaton === foxbuntu` is now known as foxbuntu === n0ts_off is now known as n0ts [03:58] fyi, the problem i was experiencing yesterday with signed mail not being sent and the tls errors etc was due to our cisco firewall. changed this to be less restrictive and mail is flowing smoothly now :_) [04:03] oh, the evil dns and smtp *fixup* [04:21] New bug: #1003230 in vmbuilder "--version causes type error" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1003230 === cpg is now known as cpg|away [04:27] New bug: #994843 in openldap (main) "package slapd 2.4.25-1.1ubuntu4.1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994843 [04:27] New bug: #994992 in samba (main) "Samba not working in Nautilus" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994992 [04:27] New bug: #996294 in openssh (main) "package ssh-askpass-gnome 1:5.9p1-5ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/996294 [04:27] New bug: #997159 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.6.3-2ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Low,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/997159 [04:27] New bug: #999153 in openldap (main) "package slapd 2.4.28-1.1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: le sous-processus script post-installation installé a retourné une erreur de sortie d'état 1" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/999153 [04:27] New bug: #999485 in openldap (main) "package slapd 2.4.25-1.1ubuntu4.1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: подпроцесс новый сценарий pre-installation возвратил код ошибки 1" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/999485 [04:27] New bug: #1000090 in cyrus-sasl2 (main) "package libsasl2-2 2.1.25.dfsg1-3ubuntu0.1 failed to install/upgrade: libsasl2-2:amd64 2.1.25.dfsg1-3ubuntu0.1 cannot be configured because libsasl2-2" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000090 [04:27] New bug: #1000362 in samba (main) "package winbind 2:3.6.3-2ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: aliprosessi installed post-installation script palautti virhetilakoodin 1" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000362 [04:27] New bug: #1001420 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.6.3-2ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess installiertes post-installation-Skript gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurück" [Low,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1001420 [04:27] New bug: #1001645 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.6.3-2ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Low,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1001645 [04:27] New bug: #1001792 in backuppc (main) "didn't upgrade properly -package backuppc 3.2.1-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1001792 [04:27] New bug: #1002521 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.6.3-2ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1002521 [04:27] New bug: #1002658 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.6.3-2ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Low,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1002658 [04:27] New bug: #1003113 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.6.3-2ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Low,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1003113 [04:28] New bug: #993394 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.6.3-2ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 10" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/993394 [04:28] New bug: #993581 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.6.3-2ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Low,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/993581 [04:28] New bug: #993957 in samba (main) "package winbind 2:3.6.3-2ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: le sous-processus script post-installation installé a retourné une erreur de sortie d'état 1" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/993957 [04:28] New bug: #994830 in php5 (main) "package libapache2-mod-php5 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 10" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994830 [04:30] Holy crap bug-bot! === cpg|away is now known as cpg === smb` is now known as smb [05:42] New bug: #1024010 in maas-enlist (main) "[SRU] After Commission Action 2 no longer exists" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1024010 [06:42] New bug: #1028268 in facter (main) "Bareword dns domain makes facter return incorrect info" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1028268 [06:46] jamespage, do you mind if I kill the job natty-server-ec2-daily ? it's been running for 22h [06:55] jibel, not at all [06:55] ta [07:06] New bug: #1028280 in openssh (main) "sftp remoteserver "ls -l" error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1028280 === Aaton is now known as Aaton_off [09:05] jamespage, there is a problem with automated tests of the latest server images. I filed bug 1028301 [09:05] Launchpad bug 1028301 in debian-installer "Quantal Ubuntu Server - sources.list only contains cdrom entries after a preseeded installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1028301 [09:05] manual installation works fine === matsubara-afk is now known as matsubara [10:15] jibel, thanks for letting me know [10:16] jibel, I normally do a 'call for testing' email to ubuntu-server around about now - are the server ISO images in a good state for testing? [10:16] manual testing that is.... [10:18] jamespage, I did a couple of manual installations on amd64 (default install, LVM) and excepted this bug the new squashfs install seems to be working [10:19] jibel, is there a good source of information about the squashfs install that I could reference - it will be of interest to people testing. [10:21] jamespage, the best place would be thetech overview but there is nothing there. Daviey would know [10:21] Daviey, ^^ info re squashfs install for call for testing alpha3? [10:22] I will add something to that [10:23] But really, people shouldn't need to notice the difference [10:23] other than slightly faster install [10:23] One think roaksoax will be best tasked to do i think, is provide a preseed for netinstall that uses squashes [10:26] Daviey, do the existing automated test cases which use preseeding need to be updated then? === cpg is now known as cpg|away [10:40] jamespage: Should be unimpacted [10:42] jamespage: but seems not [10:43] jibel / jamespage: do you have capacity to look into failing jenkins? [10:43] Daviey, jibel already raised a flag about that - see backlog [10:44] Daviey, [11:05] jamespage, there is a problem with automated tests of the latest server images. I filed bug 1028301 [10:44] Launchpad bug 1028301 in pkgsel "Quantal Ubuntu Server - sources.list only contains cdrom entries after a preseeded installation" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1028301 [10:45] 'Copying data to disk' - nice [10:50] jibel, are we waiting on a re-spin to resolve that then? [10:52] hello all [10:53] hey koolhead17 [10:53] jamespage, we are [10:53] * koolhead17 bows to jamespage [10:53] Daviey: i need my cookies [10:54] right after next publisher run which should happen in less than 15 minutes [10:54] jamespage: howdy? that hadoop charm was for presentation by mark i guess at oscon [10:55] koolhead17, I think m_3 used the stock hadoop charm from the charm store - not sure would have to check [10:55] its the one we used for scale testing during UDS Q [10:56] jamespage: well juju is awesome [10:56] :) [10:57] jibel, I'll do the call for testing once thats working again [11:03] BTW i missed all folks during OSCON === _ruben_ is now known as _ruben === matsubara is now known as matsubara-afk [11:47] how to make directory writable by webserver ? [11:47] chown www-data:www-data ${dir} [11:51] Jeeves_: thanks [11:51] Please not that that's not very smart, security wise. [11:52] But there are no other options [11:53] Jeeves_: I understand, it's likely to happen when using something build up on php [11:53] :) [12:06] good morning [12:24] As far as I understand Devcot is the most proper way of getting IMAP running on Ubuntu Server [12:24] ? [12:25] dovecot? it's fine software, but there are a lot of mature imap solutions out there. [12:26] mardraum: can you name some ? [12:26] nope, use google [12:27] mardraum: I did already, checking by priority in Google Search results, Dovecot seems to be the most widely used one [12:27] sure, if that's important to you, use it? [12:27] ah ok.. [12:33] glosoli: dovecot is well liked in the ubuntu community, as is postfix [12:34] pmatulis: ok, I like things which are widely used even though sometimes they are not the most proper ones, but it helps getting support more quickly than trying to build bike from group up [12:35] from ground up" [12:35] glosoli: dovecot is a perfectly proper IMAP server and postfix is a perfectly proper MTA [12:35] I am not sure what's MTA [12:36] !mta [12:36] A Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) is the server software that sends and queues mail. The default MTA (and !MDA) on Ubuntu is !postfix ("exim" is also officially supported). See also !MailServer and !MUA [12:39] Pici: thanks, I always forget there are bots who can answer with proper commands typed [12:39] jamespage, quantal server builds are back to normal [12:45] jamespage: ping so i was thinking about the openstack database migration qa stuff.. [12:46] jamespage: so i was thinking something like the following [12:47] jamespage: compare the database to a previous run of the test, with the current test, if there is changes, restore the old database, update the database and then run the devstack exercises [12:48] koolhead17: yes, the hadoop charm was the one from the charmstore... lp:charms/hadoop [12:49] m_3: awesome :) [12:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1028365 [12:53] Launchpad bug 1028365 in openstackbook "guestmount installation not mentioned" [Undecided,New] [12:53] can anyone tell me if its new dep inside 12.04/essex [12:53] or more about what "guestmount" is meant for [12:53] jibel_, \o/ [12:54] right - everyone test now! [12:54] ... [12:54] lol [12:56] jamespage: but i am testing! :) [12:56] koolhead17: its like nbd [12:58] zul: so is it needed as dep with nova ? someone reported sayining nova needed it [12:58] i have asked him about his env [12:58] koolhead17: no its another option [12:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1028365 [12:59] Launchpad bug 1028365 in openstackbook "guestmount installation not mentioned" [Undecided,New] [12:59] i have asked him 4 his env [13:02] zul, lemme just send this email and I'll be with you [13:06] jamespage: no now! :) [13:09] jamespage, ouch, minimal server install pulled ubuntu-standard [13:11] jibel_: side effect of the installer changes? [13:11] likely [13:11] Daviey, ^^ poke minimal virtual is very broken.... [13:12] jamespage: How so? [13:12] oh [13:12] i see [13:12] wrong kernel, wrong modules, wrong base - in fact all wrong! [13:13] jibel_: that is something that is reasonable to release note.. i'm not going to bust a gut over that i think [13:15] *release note* minimal installs have been supersized [13:16] disk space is overrated anyway [13:17] it's more the cron jobs and other stuff though :) [13:20] if anyone in channel would like to help with testing ISO images for ubuntu quantal alpha 3 [13:20] please see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2012-July/006359.html [13:20] zul: OK - now [13:20] * jamespage reads backscroll [13:20] jamespage: okies [13:25] getting great speeds right now, no one else download the iso :) [13:28] ok I'm done :) [13:28] that was a fast two iso's [13:29] zul, that would infer that we care about database migrations on every package update/commit during the dev release? [13:31] jamespage: kind of..i think it more infers that we care if the database schema changes than we care because the database schema doesnt change on every packages commit/update [13:32] zul, OK - I think I get it [13:32] so we test upgrades *when* a fresh schema is different from the previous tests schema snapshot? [13:33] jamespage: yeah [13:33] jamespage: i think that database schema tests can be done on a kvm thingy [13:34] zul, how where you thinking of handling creation of the image to then upgrade? [13:34] jamespage: i was thinking of keeping a sql dump in a bzr branch [13:34] ah - one sec - I see - we just install the data snapshot before we try to upgrade [13:35] right [13:35] install rather [13:35] zul, it works for me [13:35] .0 [13:36] jamespage: good because i started writing this up yesterday :) [13:36] zul, \o/ [13:36] jamespage: just have to do the all in one scripted kvm install [13:36] I still need to work on that jenkins/auto package build test stuff [13:38] i totally forgot about that [13:40] zul: so if one runs qemu he needs guestmount i suspect not incase of KVM [13:40] koolhead17: no if nbd fails, it will try using guestmount and if libguestfs is not installed then it will just fail [13:42] zul, yeah - I 'forgot' to [13:42] jamespage: heh [13:42] ooh. so running openstack in Qemu will need one of them. i just closed making it invalid for doc as we tested it on KVM :( [13:42] how convient [13:42] but I promised I would do it - tracking down test failures in glibc + google-perftools killed my time for a few days.... === n0ts is now known as n0ts_off === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [14:41] New bug: #1028470 in apache2 (main) "apache2+ssl hangs on high load" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1028470 === railsraider_ is now known as railsraider [15:05] jamespage: it would be nice if the columns on [1] could be explained. what do these mean, for the 'amd64 server' row: [15:05] 4/18 (1)2/4 (4)1/1 (1) [15:05] [1]: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/226/builds [15:06] pmatulis, so 4/18 (1) [15:06] 4 tests completed [15:06] out of 18 tests in total [15:06] with 1 failure [15:06] ah ok [15:07] and the 3 bugs cover those 6 failures? ideally? [15:10] pmatulis, yes - patdk-wk and I overlapped and confirmed each others iscsi test failures [15:10] jamespage: i see, good. btw, i just fired up a normal and preseed install. so far so good === Aaton_off is now known as Aaton [15:15] pmatulis, +1 and thanks for helping out! much appreciated [15:16] New bug: #1002111 in nova "iptables being run on a nova-api server" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1002111 === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [15:36] New bug: #1028501 in cloud-init "cloud-init selects wrong mirrors for arm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1028501 [15:41] New bug: #1028509 in nova (main) "'nova rescue' fails if an instance image does not have a kernel_id" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1028509 [15:48] has anyone played with vlan trunks to vbox via ubuntu server? === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === matsubara-afk is now known as matsubara [16:24] Hi. I just install ubuntu server 12.04LTS Two days back, here. [16:25] The first thing that I wanted to start Internet , I am trying but I couldn't . [16:25] Can someone please help me? [16:26] just ask the question [16:27] How do I connect ubuntu server to Internet ? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [16:31] I have wired connection. [16:33] gitesh: do you have an ip address set? run ifconfig - then check if you have a default gateway - netstat -rn [16:33] check dns config - cat /etc/resolv.conf [16:34] Royk. ok, I collect that info. brb. [16:34] if all looks well, try to resolv something, like "ping bbc.com" ( [16:35] not all hosts answer to ping requests - I tried cnn.com first, it doesn't, bbc.com does [16:35] I should be master in server internet configuration. Coz it's first of all thing should be done, i guess. [16:49] hello [16:50] guys what is the server address so i can connect via my client please? [16:52] hello guys i am trying to install ubuntu server and got stuck..anyone could help me out please? [16:53] !ask [16:53] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [16:57] RoyK, I found nothing. [16:59] also, for default gateway, netstat -rn : I found an empty table. [17:00] ok sorry...i was trying to install vnc in ubuntu server 12.04 but i didn't exit root as per the guide i'm following and now I get - mkdir: cannot create directory `.vnc': File exists - error [17:00] RoyK, also dng config was an emty file. [17:00] This is the guide I am following http://www.torrent-invites.com/seedbox-tutorials/181210-ubuntu-server-w-gui-permenant-auto-connecting-ssh-tunnel-fail2ban-etc.html [17:01] gitesh: what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces? [17:02] RoyK, just a minute :) [17:07] RoyK: about etc/network/interfaces There were two lines : 1>auto lo 2> iface lo inet loopback [17:08] og [17:08] oh [17:09] try adding 'auto eth0' and 'iface eth0 inet static' or with 'inet dhcp' - google for ubuntu network config [17:09] gitesh: also - check with ifconfig -a that ubuntu actually sees your nic [17:10] Can someone point me somewhere?, I want to learn. gateway , router , etc/ [17:10] !network [17:10] Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [17:10] erm [17:10] wrong [17:10] !interfaces [17:10] RoyK: Okay, i do auto eth0. [17:10] gitesh: does ifconfig -a show it [17:10] ? [17:11] gitesh Linux Routers by Tony Mancill, if you can survive that, you'll never need help again [17:11] gitesh: http://kurl.no/XvO7 [17:12] rdw200169, RoyK. Thanks for your supports. [17:12] I will have to check ifconfig -a [17:20] rdw200169: 450 pages of pdf :) [17:20] gitesh aw, c'mon its a good book, Mancill deserves a little cash ;) [17:22] you don't need that book to make networking work on ubuntu [17:22] a quick google goes a long way [17:22] rdw200169: pain, pain. I will read and try directly. need days. Thanks for the link :p [17:23] gitesh all things worth doing are generally difficult [17:24] RoyK, ok. Yet.I want for ubuntu only.brb [17:34] RoyK: about ifconfig -a , eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:c5:4a:16:5a === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [17:34] Rx and Tx errors [17:34] well, just set a static ip address on that [17:35] then test [17:36] RoyK: ok. How do I get my static IP? [17:37] see above [17:37] or google it [17:37] like I said [17:38] you won't get a tutorial on irc - you might get some good hints, and you may as well get some kicking if you ask too many stupid questions [17:38] ok, sorry. [17:50] Is there a way to install third-party nginx modules without rebuilding nginx from source? Anyone know of any PPA's that include optional third-party modules? [17:57] savid: any module in particular? [17:58] RoyK, fancyindex [17:59] hm... perhaps http://bit.ly/MUMu8c === cpg|away is now known as cpg [18:10] I checked webmin isn't in the repos should I use deb package provided by webmin team or use tar gz ? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [18:13] !webmin [18:13] webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. [18:14] Question - anyone having problems with precise using PXE + preseeding? I have a Dell R410 server with onboard RAID controller. I'm then setting LVM on the mirrored drive via preseed. However, after server finishes and restart, it never boots and gets stuck at initramfs, complaining that it cannot find root filesystem. [18:14] !panel [18:15] !webpanel [18:16] glosoli: hint number one: Learn the commandline - it's not hard, and it will take you a long way, far longer than any web-based admin tool [18:16] RoyK: I am not sys admin :) and doing this job not because I want to... [18:16] !ebox [18:17] zentyal is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Zentyal (Project formally known as eBox - including in Lucid/10.04). [18:17] !ebox [18:17] Heh, too slow [18:17] :) [18:17] can it work with dovecot mess ? [18:17] no idea [18:17] if you want something easy to manage for email, try zimbra [18:17] not supported officially by ubuntu, but works fine if on a separate machine or vm [18:18] ah.. [18:18] just don't mix zimbra with an existing ubuntu install with apache and postfix and all - it's not easy... [18:18] glosoli: but then - if you have an ubuntu server, setting up a vm is a no-brainer [18:20] RoyK: yeah, well the only thing I am lost at now is dovecot nto being able to find proper documentation of how to create an user, as the project itself of dovecot is bad docummented (I am in risk to be called stupid) [18:20] glosoli: the only "hard" part, is to setup a bridge to allow for direct routing, but then again, it's not that hard, just a little fiddling with /etc/network/interfaces === cpg is now known as cpg|away [18:21] glosoli: dovecot isn't badly documented, but it's documented for sysadmins, which is the bad part [18:21] glosoli: do you have a spare ip address on this server? [18:21] RoyK: ah yes, it your comment makes more sense, and doesn't hurt them too much :) [18:21] glosoli: all sysadmins have been non-sysadmins at some time ;) [18:21] RoyK: nah it's container, virtual dedicated server [18:22] for use with most stuff, or just the email sever? [18:22] well I am studying Software Engineering, sys admining is not meant to be my job, but some experience is good proba ly [18:22] RoyK: OpenERP, PHP Webs, Email Server [18:22] it definetely won't hurt you... [18:22] glosoli some? I work with 'developers' all day every day; i write software too, but the sysadmin part is what makes me indispensable [18:23] glosoli: ok - setting up a vm on that thing may be a bit hard :P [18:23] rdw200169++ [18:23] what zimbra does to the unpublished internals of postfix should never be done [18:23] * RoyK has been a sysadmin for 15+ years [18:23] glosoli just look at the median income for a Senior Linux SysAdmin in the NYC market and compare that with a Java Developer [18:23] rdw200169: well depends on company probably, if serious projects I prefer having serious sys admin who does it for life :) [18:23] lamont: erm - have they patched it and not released sources? [18:24] hallyn: i have a question about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/924281 when you have a moment. [18:24] Launchpad bug 924281 in lxc "cgroup-lite not installable inside 'lxc create -t ubuntu' container" [High,Fix released] [18:24] rdw200169: and how does it compare [18:25] glosoli my income is … nice. very nice. I have recruiters banging down my door frequently. I have job security. Java Developers? They churn those out by the thousands at every university in the country. Linux? Nobody teaches that anymore... [18:26] rdw200169: in my college people has linux lectures to be honest [18:26] :) [18:26] rdw200169: nice as in what? [18:26] glosoli And when I say 'Linux' I really mean 'Unix' and all that. [18:27] RoyK: ISTR that they just called internal functions in ways that were not nice, and subject to breaking on any point release. [18:27] in btw, your income is nice as in what ? [18:27] though maybe they stopped doing that [18:28] glosoli don't bash the benefits of SystemsAdmin experience; even for a developer its a very very nice bonus [18:28] bac: ask away. (running tests elsewhere, will answer soon) [18:29] rdw200169: I don't :) as I said the experience itself is good, but you hadn't said yet how does it compare to java dev salary [18:29] hallyn: the bug is marked fixed release from back around march. i'm still seeing the exact symptoms and need clarification/advice from you as to if it should be expected to work. [18:29] hallyn: this is with a precise host and a precise container [18:30] glosoli i leave that to your research; the internets are filled with statistical data per region on income and cost of living adjustments [18:30] rdw200169: Sys Admin salary median in usa is 72 000 year, for medium developer its 86000 :) [18:30] talking about median for medium developer ,not for senior [18:31] glosoli and you're throwing in the regular Sys Admins. Windows Admins are a dime a dozen. Focus on Senior Linux Systems Administrator please [18:31] hey all, i have some quick questions about mysql-cluster. we want to start with three machines, and if one crashes, how difficult is it to set up it's replacement? [18:32] skrite: 1) specify a master with the best write performance. 2) the other two servers should be slaves 3) don't even think about master-master replication scenarios [18:32] rdw200169: right, but what about mysql-cluster ? [18:32] skrite: ah right [18:32] rdw200169: i found that master-master was going to create headaches and early graves [18:32] :) [18:33] skrite: personally i despise MySQL with the passion of a thousand suns; but I digress, Paying Oracle is a mortal sin [18:33] rdw200169: still Senior Java developer gets more compared to Senior Linux Admin :) [18:33] skrite: as such, i have no idea [18:34] glosoli: then go be a java developer. [18:34] rdw200169: meanwhile doesn't differ to much and I understand your point :) [18:34] bac: it's possible that you need to use the apparmor policy taht supports nesting [18:34] bac: but, i'd say open up a bug [18:34] rdw200169: yes, i just have 5 years of code that rely on mysql [18:34] rdw200169: I don't do Java lol.. :) and I don't live in USA :) [18:35] bac: oh, yes. you definately need to use the nesting policy [18:35] glosoli one thing to consider is this new thing called 'DevOps', which is like both in one [18:36] rdw200169: I understand your point, don't count me for these who don't value, I value the experience :) But people here in Lithuania where I live thinks sys admining is some easy fun.. so you got paid little for it :) [18:38] hallyn: i'm not sure what that entails. hint? [18:39] skrite: yeah, i know where you're coming from with that. MySQL in the Lamp days was an epidemic that has survived into a plague for many operations. Hence, the whole NoSQL movement to handle massive amounts of overly-relational MySQL data to ease the relational burden [18:40] bac, googled: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/05/04/lxc-in-ubuntu-12-04-lts/ [18:40] look for "Container nesting" [18:40] rdw200169: he he. yeah. i have lots of ideas if i were to build this system again. [18:41] bac: sorry, i'm waiting for my laptop to finish updating to see if the new lxc ships with teh policy you need or not [18:41] just another min [18:41] hallyn: quantal does [18:41] stgraber: precise-updates? [18:41] skrite: all things considered, though, since you're using MySQL-Cluster, i've been reading up on the data sheet, and its obvious you get some sort of replicable redundancy, both within the cluster and to another cluster off-site [18:41] stgraber, is the one from your blog post the one we should use in lucid? [18:41] or should we steal from quantal? [18:42] oh [18:42] precise-updates would be cool [18:42] we can't really justify introducing a completely new apparmor policy as an SRU [18:43] and quantal has a completely different structure for the apparmor profiles [18:43] drat, yeah, not in precise-updates [18:44] I'm kind of planning to start maintaining an lxc backport in precise-backports once we have the API changes landed in quantal [18:44] stgraber: that reminds me, i'm hoping wed night to upload some quantal bugfixes; if you have anything small you want to queue up in the bzr tree i'll look for that before merging [18:44] ah ok stgraber, hallyn. So stgraber's blog post is the best source? [18:44] gary_poster: yeah [18:44] rdw200169: mysql and mysql-cluster use the same query language, right? so if there was an ultimate failure, restoring from a mysqldump (or similar) would be possible. This is good. just wondering what goes into recovery because i know that a minimum of three machines are required [18:44] cool, thank you hallyn [18:44] so then you'll have the packages in precise-proposed for the fixes without any new feature, and precise-backports for the new cool stuff [18:44] stgraber: i suspect most ppl would use backports :) [18:45] also might be worth considering a store for container policies [18:45] hallyn: make sure to upload to -proposed (alpha3 freeze) [18:45] skrite: one would assume so, but i haven't used it, so i don't know ;) [18:45] rdw200169: i see, ok, thanks [18:46] I used to, but too many times it would break me, so I use my own ppa, that I backport to [18:46] stgraber: yup [18:46] hallyn: yeah, I'm expecting most people will want the new cool stuff, though I know at least some want no risk of regression and stability, so having both -updates and -backports should cover that. [18:46] also means I keep up with security updates correctly, as backports don't [18:46] stgraber's backport will :) [18:47] well, backports is on by default now, but pinned lower, so it's not all or nothing, you can choose which apps you want from -backports [18:47] stgraber: how will you handle the versioning? [18:47] starting in natty it's pinned lower and oneiric it's on by default [18:47] yeah, I'd probably be pushing to -backports instead of my PPA once we start doing that. Currently my PPA is usually 30min or so behind what we push to quantal, so we should be fine for any security/bugfix ;) [18:47] I'm still on lucid, as precise .1 isn't out yet, and still have upgrade issues [18:48] stgraber: I think you know enough backporters to push things through quickly if need be :) [18:49] hallyn: I'd have to check the backport policies again as it's been a while since I last read them, my guess is ~12.04.x or something similar (so much higher than precise but lower than quantal) [18:49] ah yeah [18:49] yep, that's the current versioning scheme [18:49] of course you'll have to disable seccomp (and such). assuming i get that enabled [18:49] err...~ubuntu12.04.X [18:50] hallyn: well, we might be able to backport libseccomp too. Precise's kernel supports seccomp2 right? [18:50] no [18:50] or if it does, a different api. [18:50] ah, that's annoying :) [18:50] i *think*. could be wrong [18:50] is libseccomp clever enough to detect kernels that don't support it and deal with that? [18:51] hrm? I think it does [18:51] well it'll at least return -1 on seccomp_init(0. [18:51] if so, we probably should backport libseccomp too, so that when the quantal kernel is backport to precise (as part of the LTS hardware enablement), we get the feature to work for free [18:51] *backported [18:51] then users just can't enable seccomp through the config. yeah maybe it's no big deal. [18:52] i'm sick of bisecting, btw === zyga is now known as zyga-afk === Ursinha` is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Guest69114 [19:07] do i have to reboot ufw somehow for ports to become open? [19:07]