[02:16] <philballew> Time has us all down
[02:22] <philballew> bkerensa, Looks cool
[02:22] <bkerensa> philballew: ?
[02:27] <philballew> the link you sent bkerensa
[02:44] <bkerensa> philballew: oh yeah
[02:44] <bkerensa> ;)
[02:44] <bkerensa> stay tuned
[02:44] <philballew> alright!
[02:44]  * philballew waits
[02:49] <bkerensa> much hacking needs to occur
[02:49] <bkerensa> :P
[02:54] <akk> Much hacking always sounds fun.
[03:11] <philballew> Hacking. I hear thats illegal!
[03:11] <pleia2> philballew needs to read his OSCON t-shrit
[03:11] <pleia2> t-shirt too
[03:12] <akk> What do the shirts say?
[03:12] <pleia2> "hack isn't a four letter word"
[03:12] <akk> Nice! \o/
[03:12] <akk> (if technically incorrect :)
[03:13] <pleia2> I think that makes it more amusing!
[03:13] <pleia2> my ceiling fan randomly shuts off
[03:13] <pleia2> it's on a remote, so my first suspicion was that someone else in the building has one too and we are having loads of fun controlling each others fans
[03:14] <pleia2> but I don't know
[03:17] <akk> Is the remote radio?
[03:17] <akk> I thought those usually used IR, but that wouldn't go through walls.
[03:18] <pleia2> hm, I'm not sure
[03:18] <pleia2> I should probably look up what it is, it came with the condo and we have none of the documentation
[03:22] <philballew> Might be a power issue
[03:23] <akk> or motor overheating or something
[03:25] <pleia2> yeah, it's a recent development so I'm thinking it's some kind of hardware failure
[03:34] <philballew> Id get a multi meater and check myself
[03:34] <philballew> Maybe the fan company has an irc channel :)
[03:40] <pleia2> lol
[08:15] <MarkDude> philballew, MarkDude has some pics of you from OSCON that are complete WIN
[08:15] <MarkDude> Phil approved
[08:33] <philballew> sounds about right MarkDude , where are they?
[08:33] <MarkDude> Not posted yet
[08:33]  * MarkDude took like 500+ pics while there
[08:33] <MarkDude> going thru and picking the best takes a while
[08:34] <philballew> thats good as I took none
[08:40]  * MarkDude knows he is going to get the question- what is the deal with the pics of the cartoon hotdog with everyone/everywhere
[08:44] <MarkDude> The pics with the Beefy Miracle in the Ubuntu booth hoding the Juju swag = EPIC
[08:48] <philballew> when juju comes to Windows MarkDude can start using it :)
[08:49] <MarkDude> rofl
[08:50] <philballew> Dont hurt yourself
[15:18] <bkerensa> lol
[16:18] <MarkDude> pleia2, ping
[16:18]  * MarkDude just found out that my talk was given ok for FOScon
[16:18] <pleia2> MarkDude: congrats :)
[16:18] <MarkDude> Besides running up steps like Rocky, I heard I need to brush up on my profanity usage
[16:19] <pleia2> lol
[16:19] <bkerensa> heh
[16:19]  * MarkDude kids 
[16:19] <pleia2> you're italian, it'll come naturally once you cross into the philly border
[16:19] <bkerensa> I'm getting a Chevy Volt Klout Perk today :)
[16:19] <bkerensa> they deliver the car at 11 :D
[16:19] <pleia2> MarkDude: also, a must visit: http://italianmarketphilly.org/
[16:19] <darthrobot> Title: [South 9th Street Italian Market - Philadelphia, PA]
[16:20] <MarkDude> bkerensa, I kept telling people you would pass me towards end of year, you are doing so SOONER than I guessed
[16:20] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah he is italian and sadly..... somewhere down the line the Terranovas and Canciamillas mixed :P
[16:20] <MarkDude> bkerensa, - prolly kept your ancestors alive
[16:20] <MarkDude> :D
[16:20] <pleia2> lol
[16:21] <pleia2> the former leader of the NJ LoCo is a Terranova, they're everywhere
[16:21] <bkerensa> yeah
[16:21] <bkerensa> http://www.ellisisland.org/search/matchMore.asp?LNM=CANCIAMILLA&PLNM=CANCIAMILLA&first_kind=1&kind=exact&offset=0&dwpdone=1
[16:21] <darthrobot> Title: [Ellis Island - FREE Port of New York Passenger Records Search]
[16:21]  * MarkDude has spoke with Joe
[16:21] <bkerensa> http://www.ellisisland.org/search/matchMore.asp?LNM=TERRANOVA&PLNM=TERRANOVA&first_kind=1&kind=exact&offset=0&dwpdone=1
[16:21] <darthrobot> Title: [Ellis Island - FREE Port of New York Passenger Records Search]
[16:22] <bkerensa> Same province of Sicily
[16:22]  * MarkDude has seen the records of the boats they came from
[16:22] <bkerensa> Palermo, Travia
[16:22] <bkerensa> Trabia*
[16:22] <MarkDude> Dont forget- Sicily had a town named Terranova
[16:22] <bkerensa> I was telling my grandmother last night that since her parents came from Sicily she could easily get citizenship
[16:22] <bkerensa> Her Response: Who would want to live there
[16:23] <bkerensa> :P
[16:23] <pleia2> lol
[16:24] <pleia2> my ex-husband's family is from the Abruzzo region, italy italian relatives would visit sometimes and always invited us over
[16:24] <pleia2> never went though :(
[16:25]  * MarkDude only speaks Italian with his hands
[16:25] <pleia2> it's ok, they all speak english
[16:26]  * MarkDude watched a few talks with my Dad last night- he noticed how much I wave my hands around
[16:26] <bkerensa> MarkDude: So you know how I was telling you my family the Lima's and Canciamillas own Mortuaries well they "owned" I guess 7
[16:26] <bkerensa> http://www.limacampagnamortuaries.net/locations-lima-sanjose-ca.html
[16:26] <MarkDude> Italian market looks like fun place to go
[16:26] <darthrobot> Title: [Locations, Lima Campagna & Alameda Mission Chapel, San Jose, CA]
[16:26] <bkerensa> we still have like family plots so were guaranteed a spot :P
[16:26] <MarkDude> lol
[16:27]  * MarkDude found some Terranovas in Philly- that are 3rd generation morticians
[16:27] <pleia2> hehe
[16:27] <MarkDude> Makes sense- like hmmmm this other work looks risky
[16:27] <bkerensa> then there is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Canciamilla
[16:27] <darthrobot> Title: [Joe Canciamilla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]
[16:27] <MarkDude> dead people happen- looks safer
[16:27] <bkerensa> who was a California lawmaker
[16:27] <bkerensa> thats my grandmother's brothers son
[16:27] <bkerensa> ;p
[16:28] <MarkDude> Interesting how these folks were on some sides in shadows- and on the other side- lawmakers, labor organizers, etc
[16:29] <bkerensa> MarkDude: yeah my uncle joe (my grandmothers brother) (this guy: https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/230319_10150189392243160_8045024_n.jpg )
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[16:29] <bkerensa> he used to talk about them all the time
[16:29]  * MarkDude is sure we have a few that are import/export folks, and most likely hangout in *legitimate business social clubs*
[16:29] <bkerensa> He would be like "The Lima's are mobsters they are no good" :P
[16:30] <pleia2> hehe
[16:30]  * MarkDude never heard the *M* word much
[16:30] <bkerensa> I guess at one point one of the Canciamillas went to work for the Lima's and saw something that was not good and wanted to stop working for them and was not allowed so uncle joe had to tell them to let the guy go :P
[16:30] <MarkDude> they are always called *The Family*
[16:31] <MarkDude> Similar to calling him  *Mr Sinatra*
[16:31] <pleia2> and "uncles" who aren't uncles
[16:31] <bkerensa> pleia2: or cousins that are not cousins
[16:31] <bkerensa> ;p
[16:31] <bkerensa> pleia2: you going to have a marching band at your wedding?
[16:31] <bkerensa> :D
[16:31] <bkerensa> like this https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/250165_10150189392123160_6440667_n.jpg
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[16:32] <pleia2> bkerensa: no :)
[16:32] <pleia2> reminds me, one of the venues we looked at in philly was dripping with italian, and the wedding coordinator was MarkDude East
[16:32] <bkerensa> :D
[16:33] <bkerensa> My cousin (real cousin) got married for like 3 weeks
[16:33] <bkerensa> it was great :P
[16:33] <pleia2> we passed on that one and went with a country club that offers a bit more diverse options culturally ;)
[16:33] <bkerensa> nice
[16:33] <bkerensa> :D
[16:34] <bkerensa> pleia2: should have MarkDude officiate in the penguin suit :P
[16:34] <MarkDude> bkerensa, I have already offered my Minister services
[16:34] <MarkDude> They were declined
[16:34] <pleia2> maybe if we had gone the elope-in-vegas route ;)
[16:35] <pleia2> we have a rabbi and are doing this pretty traditionally
[16:35] <MarkDude> Even tho I had great ideas- Star Wars theme, etc
[16:35] <bkerensa> pleia2: a rabbi? :D do you get to do the chair dance thing?
[16:35]  * MarkDude was willing to do research on that also- breaking a glass?
[16:36] <pleia2> hehe
[16:36] <pleia2> bkerensa: yes
[16:36] <bkerensa> Breaking a glass and dancing on chairs sounds epic
[16:36] <pleia2> it won't be an overwhelmingly jewish ceremony (I'm not converting and most of the guests aren't jewish) but we're doing a few of the key things
[16:37] <MarkDude> Sorta Jewish-lite?
[16:37] <bkerensa> heh
[16:38] <pleia2> something like that
[16:38] <MarkDude> But no shellfish or pork.
[16:39] <bkerensa> Wow
[16:39] <bkerensa> Larry Ellison is Jewish
[16:39] <bkerensa> who knew
[16:39] <pleia2> certainly no pork, the shellfish and meat+cheese is still under consideration
[16:39] <pleia2> (we don't eat pork, but we eat the other stuff and the rabbi doesn't keep kosher)
[16:40] <bkerensa> pleia2: Pork is overrated anyways ;p
[16:40] <pleia2> I miss pepperoni and most breakfast sandwiches, but otherwise it's mostly ok
[16:41] <pleia2> I always thought the meat+dairy thing was weird, until I learned the actual phrasing "don't eat meat boiled in it's mothers milk" and I understood, and started feeling a but guilty about cheeseburgers :)
[16:41] <bkerensa> pleia2: so u dont eat pork at all? like not even when your on a trip?
[16:41] <pleia2> bkerensa: sometimes pepperoni happens, but yeah I usually avoid it
[16:41] <bkerensa> No bacon happens? :P
[16:42] <pleia2> no bacon
[16:42] <bkerensa> The Cheese Burger part would be hard for me to abstain from
[16:42] <MarkDude> Richard went other direction last year- for Xmas- he had porkribs, and next day lobster- and just for fun I think they put milk on it
[16:42] <bkerensa> lol
[16:43] <bkerensa> MarkDude: so you coming to LFNW next time?
[16:43] <bkerensa> if you make it to Portland you can road trip up with the LoCo
[16:43] <pleia2> I have also learned that restaurants from culturally muslim backgrounds have awesome menus, no pork :) mmm afghanistani food
[16:43]  * bkerensa wishes LoCo Council would let WA merge into our loco
[16:43] <bkerensa> ;p
[16:44] <bkerensa> Washington went from on life support to totally quiet
[16:44] <pleia2> you can work together without merging, PA used to do stuff with NJ all the time
[16:44]  * MarkDude sees pole- will not use it to touch the PNW issue
[16:44] <MarkDude> Unless formally asked
[16:44] <bkerensa> pleia2: well the problem is no leadership in WA... there is just nobody that wants to organize at all =/
[16:44] <pleia2> bkerensa: yeah, that happened to NJ, so PA still invites them out to things *shrug*
[16:45] <pleia2> I always sent CDs over the borders too
[16:45] <bkerensa> If only althara was still in WA
[16:45] <pleia2> (also up to NY before they were approved)
[16:45] <MarkDude> Well, if you need a Fedora dude to be lead froma  distance- I can try the same thing
[16:45] <MarkDude> :D
[16:46] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I still am wondering how you arw a Fedora dude? You were running pure Windows 7 without dual boot ;p
[16:46]  * MarkDude misses being lead of a project from a bit away
[16:46]  * pleia2 back2work
[16:46]  * MarkDude bleeds Fedora blue
[16:46] <MarkDude> Issue is Fedora has sorta sucked since F14
[16:47] <MarkDude> We live so on the edge we cant even use the OS sometimes
[16:47] <bkerensa> MarkDude: you should just come back to Ubuntu full time :P sure we dont have money like Shadowdaddy but we got Community ;)
[16:47]  * bkerensa pops Terminator back up and hacks on documentation
[16:48] <MarkDude> Well the offers have been very nice, but I have been givien task of making alocal Fedora community
[16:48] <MarkDude> One sorta based on Ubuntu Oregon
[16:49] <MarkDude> Since they do such tech stuff
[16:56] <toddc> so why not work with azloco?????
[16:56] <toddc> prod form az
[16:57] <pleia2> I visited PHX but meeting up with AZ folks didn't work out the weeknd I was in town :(
[16:57] <pleia2> (and I'm in San Francisco, have to take a plane to AZ :))
[16:58] <akk> What kind of tech stuff does Ubuntu Or do?
[16:59] <toddc> we have a Big Blue Button server that we want to use for that   http://azlocobbb.banditti.com/ in the near future it is working to share meetings speeches ect
[16:59] <darthrobot> Title: [BigBlueButton -- Open Source Web Conferencing]
[17:02] <pleia2> akk: they've done some pretty big (30 people or so) global jams with the local debian developers to fix bugs and things
[17:02] <toddc> yes
[17:03] <toddc> flash has few bugs but we do have a workaround
[17:03] <pleia2> http://web.dodds.net/~vorlon/wiki/blog/Making_jam_from_bugs/
[17:03] <darthrobot> Title: [Making jam from bugs]
[17:04] <MarkDude> akk they do what corporate types call deliverables
[17:04] <MarkDude> And a huge amount of them
[17:05] <toddc> we buildt a proxmox server last week and next are planning to move BBB to team hardware vs donated VM for a permanent home
[17:05] <pleia2> toddc: cool :)
[17:06] <toddc> you welcome to play and I had been planning to contact CA but since the comments came up :)
[17:07] <philballew> toddc, Where is az are most of the az folks?
[17:07] <bkerensa> pleia2: yep were having another jam soon... everyone wants to jam so much =/
[17:07] <bkerensa> so much jamming
[17:08] <pleia2> I need to figure out what my september travel schedule looks like and go from there, I'd really like to do a QA jam again
[17:09] <toddc> I/we run BBB  at all events  http://www.azloco.com/?q=node/28   and most are from the Phoenix area but we are starting a second ubuntu hour in Tucson next month
[17:09] <darthrobot> Title: [AZ Team Calender | Ubuntu Arizona LoCo Team]
[17:09] <bkerensa> QA Jam? So testing ISO's or other test cases?
[17:09] <pleia2> focusing on ISOs for now
[17:09] <bkerensa> toddc: nice :D
[17:09] <pleia2> did one for natty: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=4196
[17:09] <darthrobot> Title: [Berkeley Natty Global Jam – pleia2's blog]
[17:09] <philballew> Im gonna get a Ubuntu hour release party possibly, as well as a global jam in sd. But I need to figure out what bugs to work on.
[17:10] <bkerensa> Oh btw... folks please run Ubuntu Friendly on your new hardware with 12.04
[17:10] <bkerensa> ;)
[17:10] <toddc> we can do some hosting for Linux groups
[17:12] <pleia2> bkerensa: do you know who is in charge of Friendly these days?
[17:12] <pleia2> they had talked at UDS about handing it off to the QA team, but I don't know where that landed
[17:12] <bkerensa> pleia2: not exactly sure but the data still gets to someone
[17:13]  * pleia2 nods
[17:13] <bkerensa> maybe dpm?
[17:13] <akk> bkerensa: Is there a way to run u.f. from the cmdline? https://friendly.ubuntu.com/participate/ assumes you're running the default desktop and doesn't say what the app is actually named.
[17:13] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Friendly | How to participate]
[17:14] <bkerensa> akk: Unfortunately no its a GUI app and its called "System Testing"
[17:14] <akk> bkerensa: GUI app doesn't mean you can't run it from the cmdline -- but I'd need to know what the binary is named
[17:14] <akk> i.e. it's /usr/sbin/[something]
[17:14] <akk> and I bet it's not /usr/sbin/System\ Testing
[17:15] <akk> er, bin, not sbin
[17:16] <akk> aptitude search friendly and aptitude search system | grep -i test don't give any hints either.
[17:17] <philballew> friendly?
[17:18] <akk> Doesn't look like it (at least, no such app is installed here and I don't see bin/friendly in apt-file search).
[17:19] <MarkDude> philballew, WON for best trolling at OSCON, IMHO
[17:20] <MarkDude> He took a Fedora USB drive, was gonna install Fedora on it- then put Unity on it
[17:20] <pleia2> akk: checkbox-qt
[17:21] <MarkDude> Rather Epic, and Fedorans were both impressed and amused
[17:22] <pleia2> akk: but you're right, it should tell you that on the participate website
[17:22] <akk> Cool, thanks, pleia2. I'll try installing that.
[17:22] <akk> (Later, have to hit the road now)
[17:23] <akk> Later all!
[18:34] <bkerensa> MarkDude: http://imgur.com/a/EhD0w#0 <-- My Chevy Volt
[18:34] <darthrobot> Title: [Like a boss... Chevy Volt - Imgur]
[18:34] <bkerensa> ;p
[18:37] <pleia2> that perk was tempting, but I live in a city so parking is a problem (not only do I not have an extra spot, no where to plug it in in our garage!
[18:38] <bkerensa> yeah
[18:38] <bkerensa> I get another car next month too
[18:38] <bkerensa> :D
[18:39] <bkerensa> I get the Acura ILX next month
[18:39] <pleia2> not sure what places like mine will do if electric cars catch on, currently electrical outlets in the garage are explictly prohibited in our building
[18:40] <pleia2> I suppose some electrical companies will start doing a brisk retrofitting business :)
[18:40] <MarkDude> That reminds me- one of the pics of bkerensa is epic- I plan on adding monocle and tophat- Like a Sir
[18:41] <pleia2> it's not even like this building is old, built in 2004
[18:41] <bkerensa> MarkDude: eh
[18:41] <bkerensa> I dont like the plugging in bit
[18:41] <bkerensa> were thinking of buying a Prius
[18:42] <bkerensa> although I hear there is a new car coming out next year that gets over 100MPG
[18:42] <pleia2> bkerensa: I think jono just said you have a monster ego ;)
[18:42] <pleia2> (ok, not quite, but I did chuckle)
[18:42] <bkerensa> :P
[18:42] <bkerensa> pleia2: I was poking fun because he said Klout was irrelevant last month
[18:42] <bkerensa> ;p
[18:42] <pleia2> hehe
[18:49] <philballew> Whats the best way to troubleshoot s hd that wont mount or show up in fdisk -l?
[18:50] <philballew> I tried kicking it, but that did not work, do I figured you people might know a tool...
[18:52] <pleia2> is it showing up in the bios?
[18:54] <philballew> not sure. It shows up in dmesg
[18:54] <philballew> and errors
[18:54] <pleia2> interesting
[18:54] <philballew> [1920193.884055] usb 2-2: new full-speed USB device number 11 using uhci_hcd
[18:54] <philballew> [1920208.996053] usb 2-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[18:55] <philballew> Ill probably see if I can format it somehow
[18:55] <pleia2> are you sure it works?
[18:55] <philballew> well it did 3 days ago
[18:57] <philballew> I tried to call wd support, but was given software to run diagnostics with on it, but as always windows only
[19:25] <bkerensa> lovely.... two helicopters pretty much constantly hovering over my house
[19:25] <bkerensa> *shakes fist*
[19:34] <philballew> bkerensa, take yours and join them
[19:43] <philballew> good news, I called wd tech support, and they took my email and said there emailing my links to documentation, yet it came in Germen or something of that sort!
[19:43]  * philballew cries 
[21:20] <bkerensa> pleia2: how is warty?
[21:49] <pleia2> bkerensa: looking forward to toursting in SF
[23:35] <bkerensa> nice
[23:49] <toddc> live dos based cd to diag western digital hard drives. Iso so you can burn to cd or usb   http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=602&sid=30&lang=en
[23:49] <darthrobot> Title: [WD Support / Downloads / Legacy Internal / WD Caviar (SATA I)]