[00:49] <ChinnoDog> Aww. No pocket Ubuntu for me.
[00:51] <plurworldinc> hi everyone
[00:51] <teddy-dbear> hi
[00:52] <plurworldinc> good evening
[00:52] <ChinnoDog> hi plurworldinc
[00:52] <plurworldinc> did i miss alot last week
[00:52] <plurworldinc> hello to you too
[00:52] <JonathanD> Hi plurworldinc
[00:53] <plurworldinc> I am having some major Gnome issues tonight
[00:58] <ChinnoDog> Beat those gnomes into submission
[00:59] <plurworldinc> i wish, if i could get them on my screen, right now I am stuck with Unity
[00:59] <teddy-dbear> I'm not sure why anyone would want to run gnome3
[01:02] <plurworldinc> I love my Gnome 3, I have found it to be elegant and easy to use. Unity not so much
[01:04] <rmg51> for me there isn't much difference between Unity and Gnome3
[01:07] <plurworldinc> there isn't a huge difference just the little things that matters to me. I like the way Gnome 3 handles multi workspaces. The add ons are nice, but Unity does do a better job with that.
[01:08] <ChinnoDog> I am going to finally set up my rebuilt linux box tonight. I need to decide if I am going to use Mint or Ubuntu. I feel obligated to give Unity a chance because pleia2 turns her noes up at Mint.
[01:10] <plurworldinc> go Ubuntu!!!! and add Gnome Shell just for kicks
[01:10] <rmg51> then go with xfce
[01:12] <plurworldinc> try them all, it's worth seeing the difference for you can see what you like and what will work for you.
[01:18] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: no I don't, you should try out Mint and use it if you like it
[01:20] <ChinnoDog> I did try out Mint and I do like. But if Unity is the path to the future I should learn it instead. I know that is an unpopular view in the open source community but it is the only way to concentrate knowledge ala Microsoft
[01:22] <plurworldinc> Unity is the new flagship interface for Ubuntu. It's pretty easy to work around and take a little getting use to at first coming off of the Gnome or KDE interface.
[01:23] <plurworldinc> Can you install Unity in Mint yet?
[01:23] <pleia2> you can in Fedora, I don't think it's in Mint
[01:26]  * rmg51 is waiting for Unity to just go away :P
[01:31] <plurworldinc> i would guess if you can install Synaptic Package Manager in Mint, you should be able to install Unity from there since Mint was based off of Ubuntu
[01:32] <InHisName> Would you rather have Metro instead ?
[01:32] <plurworldinc> NOT METRO!!!!!!!
[01:42] <plurworldinc> as much as I love Gnome 3, Unity has HUD and it's amazing. Plus it would be great to learn how to use for the future
[01:43] <waltman> hud = heads up display?
[01:43] <plurworldinc> Yes
[01:44] <waltman> don't you need special hardware for that, too?
[01:45] <pleia2> no, it works both in Unity 2D and 3D
[01:51] <plurworldinc> One of the highlights to Unity is also the growing number of lenses , i am still trying to figure out how that works
[01:52] <JonathanD> Tis bedtime.
[01:54] <InHisName> ZZZzzzzsssss
[01:55] <JonathanD> Goodnight oflks.
[01:55] <JonathanD> folsk
[01:55] <JonathanD> I give up.
[01:55] <JonathanD> Come to fosscon!
[01:55] <plurworldinc> when and where
[01:58] <JonathanD> August 11th. Philadelphia PA.
[01:58] <JonathanD> 8th and callowhill
[01:58] <plurworldinc> i just looked it up and I want to go, i will see you there
[01:59] <JonathanD> plurworldinc: make sure you register, and invite your friends.
[02:00] <waltman> ubuntu's telling me "5 packages can be updated." You mean it's downloading things on its own?
[02:01] <waltman> do I still have to run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade, or just the latter?
[02:01] <pleia2> the update manager does an apt-get update regularly (daily or something)
[02:01] <plurworldinc> i am on the site right now and I am planning on bring my father in law since he was the one to teach me all about Linux and Open Source software
[02:01] <waltman> pleia2: cool, so then I just need to do dist-upgrade?
[02:01] <pleia2> waltman: yeah
[02:03] <waltman> Ubuntu is so helpful!
[02:08] <plurworldinc> now are you doing a fresh install of Ubuntu
[02:10] <waltman> Not exactly. Last week I got a linode in anticipation of switching my home network from dsl to comcast. The linode's running the latest ubuntu.
[02:23] <plurworldinc> ok,
[02:34] <waltman> Things seem to be working, mostly, but it's kludgier than I'd like.
[02:41] <plurworldinc> good night everyone
[02:58] <pleia2> waltman: oh, heh, I still use Debian for servers
[02:58] <pleia2> (except the ubuntupennsylvania.org server, because that would be wrong :))
[03:00] <waltman> pleia2: My home box is debian testing. But this gave me an excuse to finally try out ubuntu.
[03:01]  * pleia2 nods
[03:01] <jthan> waltman: "kludgier?"
[03:02] <waltman> jthan: Well, one accepts a certain level of kludge.
[03:05] <jthan> Can you define that word, my friend?
[03:06] <waltman> http://catb.org/jargon/html/K/kludge.html
[03:07] <waltman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kludge
[03:07] <jthan> Thanks.
[03:07] <waltman> You've seriously never heard that term before?
[03:08] <waltman> It's quite common amount programmers.
[03:09] <pleia2> and not to be confused with "cruft" ;)
[03:11] <waltman> No, of course not. Cruft is the residue left behind by kludges.
[03:14] <jthan> I never heard that word before.
[03:22] <waltman> It's pronounced with a long u, in case you were wondering. :)
[09:24] <rmg51> Morning
[09:28] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:10] <waltman> *yawn*
[14:42] <jthan> Morning guys!
[16:22] <jthan> Who has a raspberry pi
[17:16] <cythes> pleia2: You going to be in town for FOSSCON?
[17:16] <pleia2> cythes: unfortunately not
[17:16] <JonathanD> She's not cythes :(
[17:16] <cythes> Q.Q
[17:16] <JonathanD> She doesn't love us anymore ;)
[17:16] <jedijf> i think she's going to surprise us
[17:17] <JonathanD> She should.
[17:17] <pleia2> my travel budget is about -$2000 :)
[17:17] <pleia2> surprise trip to OSCON didn't help
[17:18] <JonathanD> I can provide a crumpled up dollar bill, 3 lifesavers, and a spoon in travel assistance.
[17:18] <JonathanD> I'm not sure if the spoon is used or not.
[17:18] <JonathanD> I'm not sure why I had a spoon in my pocket actually.
[17:20] <cythes> I have 125$ + another 110$ on the way from the CDC lol
[17:20] <jedijf> pleia2: i know the feeling, new pool, 2 new bathrooms, and the main sewer pipe just blew so have to excavate front lawn - 50k ....*gone* poof
[17:21] <JonathanD> roku
[17:21] <JonathanD> on woot
[17:21] <JonathanD> #40
[17:21] <JonathanD> $40
[17:21] <pleia2> jedijf: ouch
[17:21] <JonathanD> jedijf: yikes...
[17:21] <jedijf> oh yeah, and lightening a week ago blew fios - tivo and one other little kitchen tv
[17:22] <jedijf> 5 minutes after i arrived home from HOPE
[17:22] <jedijf> boom
[17:23] <cythes> Nothing like listning to the sherlock holmes soundtrack while writing code lol
[17:23] <jedijf> not that bad though 35k was pool
[17:25] <jedijf> bathroom guy almost had a heart attack when Cindy told him she flushed toilet and it came up through the new tub - glad i was at work
[17:26] <pleia2> hehe
[17:26] <jedijf> the timing is just insane...too many projects at once - still waiting for peco and new fence stuff to get pool approved (swimming anyway)
[17:26] <pleia2> :)
[17:27] <pleia2> July wasn't actually supposed to be a busy month for me, but it exploded into much insanity
[17:27] <jedijf> it was good though, that award and some of the posts about it are insane...i am like i wish i knew..heh, i do
[17:28] <pleia2> it was good :)
[17:28] <jedijf> and a new krumbauch too
[17:29] <jedijf> yeah, busy good month for pleia2
[17:29] <pleia2> he's so cute
[19:11] <waltman> pleia2: did they at least give you a conference pass since they were giving you an award?
[19:11] <pleia2> waltman: yes :) I could have attended the whole week if I wanted (couldn't get the time off in such short notice, especially since I was coming back from *another* trip when I found out)
[19:12] <waltman> nice!
[19:12] <waltman> I wish I'd gone this year.
[19:12] <waltman> I'm feeling the need to get away somewhere.
[19:12] <waltman> Portland's awesome.
[19:12] <JonathanD> pleia2: jedijf will come pick you up and drive you here for fosscon.
[19:12] <JonathanD> Right jedijf?
[19:12] <pleia2> I have to be honest, aside from the keynotes you can get similar quality talks at the likes of Ohio LinuxFest and SCaLE
[19:12] <pleia2> (and those are much cheaper)
[19:13] <pleia2> and the expo at SCaLE is epic
[19:13] <waltman> where's SCaLE? Southern California?
[19:13] <pleia2> yeah, los angeles
[19:14] <pleia2> did you know John Kirk lives in LA now? it was weird seeing him at SCaLE :)
[19:15] <waltman> that sounds vaguely familiar