| RagnarokAngel | sigh my card does not want to freaking mount. | 00:18 |
|---|---|---|
| === chrispluns is now known as binarymutant_pho | ||
| binarymutant_pho | anyone else use xbmc? | 00:37 |
| Unit193 | Nope. | 00:37 |
| binarymutant_pho | it wont let me use my wm | 00:38 |
| === meetingology` is now known as meetingology | ||
| binarymutant | maybe irc on my phone isnt such a great idea. many disconnects | 12:49 |
| wrst | binarymutant: have you thought about something like znc? | 12:50 |
| binarymutant | i no longer have anything 'always connected' now that i dropped ec2 | 12:51 |
| wrst | ahh | 12:51 |
| wrst | i keep a little atom powered box at home running all the time its my 'server' | 12:52 |
| cyberanger | binarymutant: looked into linode? | 12:52 |
| binarymutant | wrst i need a small top box | 12:52 |
| cyberanger | and yeah, that's why I use weechat, screen, connectbot, and some custom push scripts | 12:52 |
| cyberanger | push notification scripts* | 12:53 |
| binarymutant | this phone needs a tab button | 12:53 |
| wrst | binarymutant: raspberry pi, would be great for an irc server | 12:53 |
| binarymutant | ya | 12:53 |
| binarymutant | 100$ though | 12:53 |
| cyberanger | binarymutant: android? hardware keyboard or software | 12:53 |
| cyberanger | ? | 12:53 |
| wrst | binarymutant: you are going all crazy and buying a case ? :) | 12:54 |
| binarymutant | soft, japanese ime | 12:54 |
| binarymutant | cyberanger vps is too much money | 12:55 |
| cyberanger | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.pocketworkstation.pckeyboard | 12:56 |
| cyberanger | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=elbrain.bluekeyboard.ime | 12:56 |
| cyberanger | the first is a softkeyboard, the second is HID drivers for a bluetooth keyboard | 12:57 |
| cyberanger | I switch between these two plus swipe depending on the task | 12:57 |
| binarymutant | i like google's ime | 12:58 |
| binarymutant | maybe theres a way to do name completion w/o tab | 12:59 |
| binarymutant | ahh found it. the search button autocompletes | 13:01 |
| cyberanger | you can install it & never use it, I mean it's rare I pull out the bluetooth keyboard anymore, but when it's what I have to ssh with, it's nice | 13:02 |
| binarymutant | cyberanger no bluetooth keyboard here | 13:02 |
| binarymutant | but that would be nice | 13:03 |
| cyberanger | that's why I suggested hacker's keyboard too though, nicest qwerty softkey I've seen | 13:05 |
| binarymutant | ibus needs to be ported to android | 13:05 |
| cyberanger | and why the bluetooth keyboard is rare now | 13:05 |
| cyberanger | but revert back to swipe for nearly everything outside the ssh client | 13:05 |
| binarymutant | if ibus was ported i'd use that | 13:06 |
| binarymutant | the hacker keyboard* | 13:07 |
| binarymutant | The voice to text is cool | 13:13 |
| binarymutant | back to xbmc | 13:15 |
| netritious | with a case and power supply, the raspberry pi is <$60 | 13:18 |
| binarymutant | I thought it was 100 dollars | 13:18 |
| netritious | nah, the raspberry pi itself is about $40 US, PS about $10 and case <$10 | 13:19 |
| binarymutant | Ooo | 13:20 |
| netritious | yeah, mine is still in the box....I just haven't had time to mess with it yet | 13:20 |
| binarymutant | Do want | 13:20 |
| binarymutant | Xbmc top box | 13:21 |
| netritious | yep, Svpernova09 has something going on with that on the pi I think | 13:21 |
| netritious | and then there are arch and debian images already ported to the pi | 13:22 |
| binarymutant | that's sweet | 13:22 |
| wrst | netritious: i'm wondering how many pacakges will be available for the pi or ported to arm? | 13:42 |
| binarymutant | A lot already are | 13:44 |
| binarymutant | To arm• | 13:44 |
| wrst | that's cool | 13:44 |
| netritious | morning wrst | 14:00 |
| netritious | what binarymutant said :) | 14:01 |
| wrst | morning netritious, all going well? | 14:01 |
| netritious | all is well. how about yourself wrst? | 14:02 |
| wrst | doing well, just getting things together to show the powers that be that we are broke yet another month :) | 14:02 |
| netritious | could be worse wrst? | 14:05 |
| wrst | yes they could quit paying me to tell them these things! :) | 14:05 |
| wrst | this is actually expected and we are doing better than we feared | 14:06 |
| netritious | wrst: sounds like that qualifies as "could be worse" :) | 14:17 |
| wrst | ha ha exactly netritious, a LOT worse! | 14:17 |
| wrst | i still get paid! | 14:17 |
| RagnarokAngel | I seem to have removed my ability to alt+tab between windows somewhere during my unity purge. | 18:56 |
| wrst | RagnarokAngel: you running 12.04? | 18:58 |
| RagnarokAngel | wrst: Yeah, I downloaded the latest image and did an update that way | 18:58 |
| wrst | i know there is an option about that in ccsm if that helps | 18:58 |
| RagnarokAngel | seems to have preserved my files but I've got some wonky things still | 18:59 |
| wrst | i think unity does all that through compiz | 18:59 |
| RagnarokAngel | well I purged unity and installed gnome3 | 18:59 |
| RagnarokAngel | and I'm using gnome classic | 18:59 |
| RagnarokAngel | because I dislike gnome-shell as much as unity. | 18:59 |
| wrst | RagnarokAngel: i'm not for sure then hwo all that works, i've pretty much abandoned ubuntu since unity | 19:00 |
| wrst | i run it on a server and have a destkop install but unity just isn't for me | 19:00 |
| RagnarokAngel | me either | 19:00 |
| wrst | i do like gnome shell, but its rather ugly by default in ubuntu | 19:00 |
| RagnarokAngel | it sure is | 19:00 |
| RagnarokAngel | I could probably go and tweak it for an hour or two and get something nice | 19:01 |
| RagnarokAngel | or I could just keep using an interface I like. | 19:01 |
| wrst | i'm using it on arch and really happy, but fedora does a nice job of leaving gnome shell alone, but that means you have to use fedora :) | 19:01 |
| Unit193 | RagnarokAngel: People claim Xfce is closer to old style Gnome2, but I'd have to disagree a little as I didn't like Gnome2 and I like Xfce. ;P | 19:01 |
| wrst | what do you prefer RagnarokAngel? | 19:01 |
| RagnarokAngel | gnome2 was fine with gnome-do | 19:01 |
| wrst | RagnarokAngel: extensions are the bomb with gnoem shell you can make it whatever you want | 19:01 |
| RagnarokAngel | yeah, I've heard. | 19:01 |
| wrst | especially some of the menu extensions out there | 19:01 |
| RagnarokAngel | I actually... just don't care. | 19:02 |
| wrst | or the fallback mode is pretty gnome 2-ish also | 19:02 |
| RagnarokAngel | the classic interface is fine | 19:02 |
| RagnarokAngel | I'd honestly be interested in going to a tiling wm instead | 19:02 |
| Unit193 | Ah, like awesomewm. | 19:03 |
| wrst | Unit193: you can get xfce, tweak, and compiz and you pretty much have gnome 2 in all its glory | 19:03 |
| Unit193 | "Glory" ;) | 19:03 |
| RagnarokAngel | yeah awesomewm/ratpoison/xmonad | 19:03 |
| RagnarokAngel | I have a feeling once I move I'll never come back | 19:03 |
| wrst | RagnarokAngel: that's hardcore! | 19:03 |
| RagnarokAngel | keyboards are so much more useful for managing my windows | 19:03 |
| Unit193 | You can build from the mini.iso and just install what you want, if you would like to stay with Ubuntu. | 19:03 |
| RagnarokAngel | and this losing alt-tab is pretty shit. | 19:03 |
| RagnarokAngel | I think the only real reason I'm running ubuntu right now is because valve is going to be officially supporting it first. | 19:04 |
| wrst | RagnarokAngel: yeah i was about to say if you like that level of customization ubuntu probably isn't the place | 19:04 |
| wrst | and i wouldn't be surprised if some smart person doesn't somehow get valve in the AUR for arch | 19:05 |
| RagnarokAngel | yeah an arch install is very likely in my future | 19:05 |
| RagnarokAngel | oh they absolutely will | 19:05 |
| wrst | RagnarokAngel: its easy as long as you read the docs :) | 19:05 |
| RagnarokAngel | wrst: I've done some of the required reading. | 19:05 |
| RagnarokAngel | and I'd be fine if I had my chromebook next to me for the whole install | 19:06 |
| RagnarokAngel | I just did this to get a quick and dirty update to my ancient 10.10 | 19:06 |
| wrst | i don't think its that bad its like doing a debian net install but you have to manually do all the configs | 19:06 |
| RagnarokAngel | it'll be a good learning experience in config files | 19:06 |
| RagnarokAngel | something broke with wifi though | 19:07 |
| wrst | but arch ships the default files so its not that big of a deal either and i really like it that everything rotates around the /etc/rc.conf file | 19:07 |
| RagnarokAngel | I used to be able to connect to the LEAP secured network here | 19:07 |
| RagnarokAngel | but now I can only connect to the openaccess one. | 19:07 |
| RagnarokAngel | not a deal breaker but quite annoying. | 19:07 |
| RagnarokAngel | stupid web-based logins. | 19:08 |
| RagnarokAngel | I've got a slew of packages that are being held back from updating. How can I check the reason? | 19:10 |
| wrst | RagnarokAngel: are you apt-get update or apt-get dist-upgrade? | 19:12 |
| RagnarokAngel | update | 19:12 |
| wrst | *apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade | 19:12 |
| RagnarokAngel | upgrade | 19:12 |
| RagnarokAngel | I should have thought to dist- | 19:12 |
| RagnarokAngel | it's been a while since I actually sat down and worked on this thing | 19:12 |
| wrst | they are probably needing to remove a package or somethign since upgrade is the same as safe-upgrade in aptitude | 19:12 |
| RagnarokAngel | yeah there they all went | 19:13 |
| wrst | cool | 19:14 |
| RagnarokAngel | is notifyosd in arch (or something like it)? | 19:14 |
| wrst | is that the buble notifications RagnarokAngel? | 19:14 |
| RagnarokAngel | yeah | 19:14 |
| wrst | http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25256 | 19:14 |
| wrst | RagnarokAngel: you can isntall unity in arch if you really want to ;) | 19:15 |
| RagnarokAngel | thanks wrst, I'm sure I'll do that. | 19:21 |
| wrst | ha ha | 19:21 |
| wrst | well sadly the unity package looks to be failing | 19:21 |
| RagnarokAngel | how awful. I'm sure 12 people are sad. | 19:22 |
| wrst | ha ha | 19:23 |
| alyawn | 12... that seems really high | 19:23 |
| RagnarokAngel | Why doesn't this come with all my settings managers installed!? Am I expected to just like what they did to this OS? | 19:23 |
| wrst | i'm very happy with gnome-shell and a few extensions | 19:23 |
| RagnarokAngel | alyawn: you're probably right. Just the guy who packaged it is upset. | 19:23 |
| wrst | RagnarokAngel: i think thats the idea actually | 19:23 |
| RagnarokAngel | wrst: This is not a mac. | 19:23 |
| wrst | RagnarokAngel: that's the direction ubuntu is headed | 19:24 |
| wrst | i'm not saying its a bad thing either, but its not for me | 19:24 |
| RagnarokAngel | appliance style linux distros. Is this really the future? | 19:24 |
| wrst | its the future for wide spread adoption | 19:24 |
| RagnarokAngel | at least people can still get the packages they want, I don't see that going away any time soon. | 19:24 |
| RagnarokAngel | I guess I could have done all this tweaking via configs but. | 19:25 |
| wrst | yeah RagnarokAngel i think that is the idea and actually a good one. people that want to customize will know what to do | 19:26 |
| RagnarokAngel | wrst: at least it's linux in front of people. Much like android. Even if most people don't understand a thing about just how deep we have access. | 19:27 |
| wrst | yep, and I like what conanicol is doing with ubuntu actually | 19:28 |
| RagnarokAngel | you haven't really run linux unless you've gone into kernel panic. | 19:29 |
| RagnarokAngel | wrst: I think, in general, it's a good thing. It's definitely more options. And if more of my friends are running it I can always drop to terminal. | 19:29 |
| wrst | yep exactly | 19:31 |
| RagnarokAngel | what the hell is going on. | 19:32 |
| RagnarokAngel | I've had two packages installed now that are not available as terminal commands. | 19:32 |
| RagnarokAngel | compizconfig-settings-manager | 19:32 |
| RagnarokAngel | and notifyosdconfig | 19:32 |
| RagnarokAngel | but both are available to be launched via the gui? WTF? | 19:33 |
| wrst | RagnarokAngel: does ccsm start it from the terminal? | 19:33 |
| RagnarokAngel | wrst: yes. Are these abstracted somehow? | 19:34 |
| wrst | don't know RagnarokAngel just remember needing to start it from teh command line before and that did it | 19:35 |
| wrst | hello rfinley | 19:42 |
| wrst | wb average_guy, RagnarokAngel ;) | 19:58 |
| average_guy | hi wrst | 19:58 |
| wrst | howdy average_guy | 19:59 |
| RagnarokAngel | thanks wrst | 19:59 |
| wrst | and RagnarokAngel greetings | 19:59 |
| RagnarokAngel | So I need to manually install grub2 now. | 19:59 |
| RagnarokAngel | frack. | 19:59 |
| wrst | ? | 19:59 |
| wrst | RagnarokAngel: have you considered a clean install? :) | 20:00 |
| RagnarokAngel | trying to do a dual boot for a friend | 20:00 |
| RagnarokAngel | and it worked fine | 20:00 |
| RagnarokAngel | until grub2 | 20:00 |
| RagnarokAngel | then /epicfail | 20:00 |
| RagnarokAngel | wouldn't install it anywhere via the installer | 20:00 |
| wrst | ohh yeah ubuntu's tweaked grub 2 bites | 20:00 |
| wrst | or it did last time i used it | 20:00 |
| RagnarokAngel | it seems to be an open issue... that the installer can't install grub2 on certain systems. How does this get released? | 20:01 |
| wrst | RagnarokAngel: can you use grub-legacy still with ubuntu? | 20:02 |
| RagnarokAngel | wrst: honestly no idea. I think a standard grub2 should work, right? | 20:03 |
| wrst | RagnarokAngel: i despise grub 2 i'm not a good person to ask i'm still running grub-legacy, i just want it to boot!!! | 20:03 |
| Unit193 | Wonder how well a wheezy to Sid would work now. :P | 20:03 |
| RagnarokAngel | hahaha | 20:03 |
| wrst | RagnarokAngel: i did run grub 2 for a while but menu.lst is so easy | 20:04 |
| RagnarokAngel | I honestly haven't even messed with bootloaders much. I only deal with them when there are problems. | 20:05 |
| wrst | me too RagnarokAngel, thats the only time I hope anyone does :) | 20:05 |
| RagnarokAngel | and I wasn't able to get a gui from the liveusb I made on his machine | 20:06 |
| RagnarokAngel | but mine loaded fine. | 20:07 |
| RagnarokAngel | er it loaded the gui fine on my machine | 20:07 |
| wrst | hmm graphics card stuff possibly? | 20:10 |
| RagnarokAngel | no it loaded gui elements like the mouse, and it seemed to be functioning fine during the install (which loads the whole gui now for some weird reason). | 20:12 |
| RagnarokAngel | err, the whole gui minus unity. | 20:12 |
| wrst | can we just blame it on unity? | 20:13 |
| RagnarokAngel | lol | 20:15 |
| RagnarokAngel | there's no way to force a terminal launch of the livecd is there. | 20:16 |
| RagnarokAngel | I just need fdisk. | 20:17 |
| RagnarokAngel | actually | 20:17 |
| RagnarokAngel | I need 0% gui for this | 20:17 |
| wrst | RagnarokAngel: i'm guessing ctl-alt-f1 doesn't get it done? | 20:18 |
| RagnarokAngel | wrst: when would I do that? | 20:18 |
| wrst | when some of those gui elements are loaded, that should take you out of x and to tty1 | 20:18 |
| RagnarokAngel | wrst: seemingly no, it must be hungup somewhere in the initializing then. | 20:19 |
| vychune | o/ | 20:49 |
| Unit193 | Howdy. | 20:49 |
| vychune | how you guys doing? | 20:49 |
| wrst | great vychune, you? | 20:56 |
| vychune | doing fine | 20:57 |
| vychune | just need a job | 20:57 |
| netritious | hello vychune | 21:01 |
| vychune | hey hey | 21:01 |
| vychune | netritious: know anybody hiring in Memphis? | 21:02 |
| netritious | not any place in particular...check craigslist? | 21:02 |
| netritious | wrst: you run arch, right? | 21:03 |
| vychune | i checked there all the time, it's full of s*** now or days | 21:04 |
| wrst | netritious: yes i do | 21:04 |
| vychune | i run arch | 21:04 |
| netritious | wow there are lots of ppl here running arch | 21:05 |
| netritious | arch, the next popular distro for power users? | 21:05 |
| vychune | not me i run, didnt say i like it lol | 21:06 |
| wrst | netritious: actually i think it has been that for a while | 21:06 |
| vychune | ^ | 21:10 |
| netritious | eh idk, I consider myself a power user and haven't tried arch. I've researched it a bit though, and have read docs on packages that othrwise have no docs | 21:10 |
| vychune | it's great and all but :/ | 21:10 |
| netritious | s/hr/her/ | 21:10 |
| netritious | but....what, vychune? :) | 21:10 |
| vychune | s/pacman/deb | 21:11 |
| netritious | wrst: maybe it's just I'm not trendy? \m/ lol | 21:14 |
| netritious | I've actually been tempted a few times to try arch, but I hear about the time involved and, well, I already spend to much time ont he computer, at least that's what my wife says | 21:14 |
| netritious | vychune: I like apt, but haven't tried pacman | 21:14 |
| netritious | what's wrong with arch's package manager? | 21:14 |
| vychune | I don't like it | 21:15 |
| vychune | command line only | 21:15 |
| vychune | o/ ChanServ | 21:25 |
| Unit193 | :D | 21:25 |
| vychune | o/ chris4585 | 21:25 |
| vychune | Unit193: urusai | 21:26 |
| chris4585 | lol hi | 21:26 |
| wrst | vychune: its not necessarily command line only i use gnome-packagekit | 21:28 |
| wrst | netritious: ^^ | 21:29 |
| wrst | netritious: i think you could say pacman -s similar to apt but without anything pretty | 21:29 |
| wrst | hmm pacman | 21:29 |
| wrst | pacman -S is what you use to install a package i have it on the brain! | 21:29 |
| vychune | ah | 21:31 |
| netritious | hello chris4585 | 21:35 |
| netritious | wb RagnarokAngel | 21:35 |
| netritious | wrst: just another package manager? | 21:36 |
| vychune | netritious: i just like to have the GUI to serach packages with | 21:36 |
| vychune | s/serach/search | 21:36 |
| netritious | vychune: I get not wanting to deal with the terminal. It's a user preference thing oc. | 21:38 |
| netritious | wrst: are you using quassel on winders? (hence no speeel check?) | 21:39 |
| netritious | oh wait, sorry that was vychune :? | 21:39 |
| vychune | ......oro? | 21:40 |
| netritious | oh nothing, my mind wandered...I thought that was wrst making the correction | 21:42 |
| vychune | ohhh | 21:44 |
| vychune | i know vim too lol | 21:44 |
| netritious | i know nano :/ | 21:45 |
| netritious | and a little vi....I almost always have to breakout the cheatsheet for vi | 21:45 |
| vychune | IKR lol | 21:45 |
| netritious | if I used it more it wouldn't be an issue...again, one of those time things | 21:46 |
| vychune | i love nano | 21:47 |
| netritious | it just works™ | 21:50 |
| netritious | so does vi, but it's less intuitive, for me at least. | 21:51 |
| netritious | take someone like cyberanger or Unit193 and they probably prefered vi from the get go lol | 21:52 |
| Unit193 | Na, I'm not that cool. :P | 21:52 |
| netritious | XD | 21:52 |
| netritious | I've been surprised before... | 21:52 |
| netritious | I once met an old school perl programmer that used nano | 21:54 |
| netritious | professional coder | 21:54 |
| chris4585 | I have gnome-packagekit installed but rarely use it, I prefer pacman -Ss and pacman -Syyu | 21:54 |
| netritious | does arch have man? | 21:54 |
| chris4585 | of course | 21:54 |
| netritious | just checking | 21:55 |
| chris4585 | long time no see netritious | 21:56 |
| netritious | yeah, been a minute chris4585 :) | 21:56 |
| netritious | I've been around, only have tiem for lurking mostly | 21:57 |
| netritious | *time | 21:57 |
| chris4585 | yeah, I haven't been on irc lately, just no real want to be on here, feeling really introverted lately | 21:57 |
| vychune | chris4585: really? why? | 21:58 |
| vychune | netritious: what else would it have? besides man? | 21:59 |
| chris4585 | I haven't felt like talking to people lately I guess, no real issues | 21:59 |
| vychune | oh ok then lol | 21:59 |
| wrst | netritious: i was on windows but now i'm back at home so i have spellcheck | 22:01 |
| netritious | lol wrst | 22:03 |
| wrst | :) | 22:03 |
| netritious | vychune: there have been a few systems I've tried where the default install doesn't include man | 22:03 |
| wrst | and netritious i'm right with you nano works and makes sense! | 22:03 |
| netritious | and if you aren't familiar with the package manager, you're left with --help or -?, which is fine I guess | 22:04 |
| vychune | ah ok | 22:04 |
| netritious | yeah I was happily surprised that last time I visudo'ed and there was nano | 22:06 |
| netritious | wrst: ^ | 22:06 |
| netritious | seems to be the default | 22:06 |
| netritious | at least on ubuntulog | 22:06 |
| netritious | *ubuntu | 22:06 |
| wrst | yes netritious i always setup visudo to work with nano, i spend more time to figure out how to get vi to work than to edit the file | 22:07 |
| wrst | with sudo i think vi is still default i'm betting ubuntu makes a good tweak there | 22:07 |
| chris4585 | I always forget how to set the default editor, EXPORT=nano or something | 22:08 |
| Unit193 | echo --help | 22:08 |
| netritious | yeah in /home/<username>/.profile ? I tink that's it | 22:08 |
| netritious | s/tink/think/ argh | 22:10 |
| * netritious is using quassel on win | 22:10 | |
| netritious | well the client anyway...server is on a precise vm | 22:11 |
| * vychune is using xchat | 22:12 | |
| netritious | dinner...afk | 22:14 |
| vychune | got a job! | 22:33 |
| * vychune fangirl screams | 22:34 | |
| vychune | ....... | 23:06 |
| vychune | oh well lol | 23:06 |
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