[00:18] sigh my card does not want to freaking mount. === chrispluns is now known as binarymutant_pho [00:37] anyone else use xbmc? [00:37] Nope. [00:38] it wont let me use my wm === meetingology` is now known as meetingology [12:49] maybe irc on my phone isnt such a great idea. many disconnects [12:50] binarymutant: have you thought about something like znc? [12:51] i no longer have anything 'always connected' now that i dropped ec2 [12:51] ahh [12:52] i keep a little atom powered box at home running all the time its my 'server' [12:52] binarymutant: looked into linode? [12:52] wrst i need a small top box [12:52] and yeah, that's why I use weechat, screen, connectbot, and some custom push scripts [12:53] push notification scripts* [12:53] this phone needs a tab button [12:53] binarymutant: raspberry pi, would be great for an irc server [12:53] ya [12:53] 100$ though [12:53] binarymutant: android? hardware keyboard or software [12:53] ? [12:54] binarymutant: you are going all crazy and buying a case ? :) [12:54] soft, japanese ime [12:55] cyberanger vps is too much money [12:56] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.pocketworkstation.pckeyboard [12:56] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=elbrain.bluekeyboard.ime [12:57] the first is a softkeyboard, the second is HID drivers for a bluetooth keyboard [12:57] I switch between these two plus swipe depending on the task [12:58] i like google's ime [12:59] maybe theres a way to do name completion w/o tab [13:01] ahh found it. the search button autocompletes [13:02] you can install it & never use it, I mean it's rare I pull out the bluetooth keyboard anymore, but when it's what I have to ssh with, it's nice [13:02] cyberanger no bluetooth keyboard here [13:03] but that would be nice [13:05] that's why I suggested hacker's keyboard too though, nicest qwerty softkey I've seen [13:05] ibus needs to be ported to android [13:05] and why the bluetooth keyboard is rare now [13:05] but revert back to swipe for nearly everything outside the ssh client [13:06] if ibus was ported i'd use that [13:07] the hacker keyboard* [13:13] The voice to text is cool [13:15] back to xbmc [13:18] with a case and power supply, the raspberry pi is <$60 [13:18] I thought it was 100 dollars [13:19] nah, the raspberry pi itself is about $40 US, PS about $10 and case <$10 [13:20] Ooo [13:20] yeah, mine is still in the box....I just haven't had time to mess with it yet [13:20] Do want [13:21] Xbmc top box [13:21] yep, Svpernova09 has something going on with that on the pi I think [13:22] and then there are arch and debian images already ported to the pi [13:22] that's sweet [13:42] netritious: i'm wondering how many pacakges will be available for the pi or ported to arm? [13:44] A lot already are [13:44] To arm• [13:44] that's cool [14:00] morning wrst [14:01] what binarymutant said :) [14:01] morning netritious, all going well? [14:02] all is well. how about yourself wrst? [14:02] doing well, just getting things together to show the powers that be that we are broke yet another month :) [14:05] could be worse wrst? [14:05] yes they could quit paying me to tell them these things! :) [14:06] this is actually expected and we are doing better than we feared [14:17] wrst: sounds like that qualifies as "could be worse" :) [14:17] ha ha exactly netritious, a LOT worse! [14:17] i still get paid! [18:56] I seem to have removed my ability to alt+tab between windows somewhere during my unity purge. [18:58] RagnarokAngel: you running 12.04? [18:58] wrst: Yeah, I downloaded the latest image and did an update that way [18:58] i know there is an option about that in ccsm if that helps [18:59] seems to have preserved my files but I've got some wonky things still [18:59] i think unity does all that through compiz [18:59] well I purged unity and installed gnome3 [18:59] and I'm using gnome classic [18:59] because I dislike gnome-shell as much as unity. [19:00] RagnarokAngel: i'm not for sure then hwo all that works, i've pretty much abandoned ubuntu since unity [19:00] i run it on a server and have a destkop install but unity just isn't for me [19:00] me either [19:00] i do like gnome shell, but its rather ugly by default in ubuntu [19:00] it sure is [19:01] I could probably go and tweak it for an hour or two and get something nice [19:01] or I could just keep using an interface I like. [19:01] i'm using it on arch and really happy, but fedora does a nice job of leaving gnome shell alone, but that means you have to use fedora :) [19:01] RagnarokAngel: People claim Xfce is closer to old style Gnome2, but I'd have to disagree a little as I didn't like Gnome2 and I like Xfce. ;P [19:01] what do you prefer RagnarokAngel? [19:01] gnome2 was fine with gnome-do [19:01] RagnarokAngel: extensions are the bomb with gnoem shell you can make it whatever you want [19:01] yeah, I've heard. [19:01] especially some of the menu extensions out there [19:02] I actually... just don't care. [19:02] or the fallback mode is pretty gnome 2-ish also [19:02] the classic interface is fine [19:02] I'd honestly be interested in going to a tiling wm instead [19:03] Ah, like awesomewm. [19:03] Unit193: you can get xfce, tweak, and compiz and you pretty much have gnome 2 in all its glory [19:03] "Glory" ;) [19:03] yeah awesomewm/ratpoison/xmonad [19:03] I have a feeling once I move I'll never come back [19:03] RagnarokAngel: that's hardcore! [19:03] keyboards are so much more useful for managing my windows [19:03] You can build from the mini.iso and just install what you want, if you would like to stay with Ubuntu. [19:03] and this losing alt-tab is pretty shit. [19:04] I think the only real reason I'm running ubuntu right now is because valve is going to be officially supporting it first. [19:04] RagnarokAngel: yeah i was about to say if you like that level of customization ubuntu probably isn't the place [19:05] and i wouldn't be surprised if some smart person doesn't somehow get valve in the AUR for arch [19:05] yeah an arch install is very likely in my future [19:05] oh they absolutely will [19:05] RagnarokAngel: its easy as long as you read the docs :) [19:05] wrst: I've done some of the required reading. [19:06] and I'd be fine if I had my chromebook next to me for the whole install [19:06] I just did this to get a quick and dirty update to my ancient 10.10 [19:06] i don't think its that bad its like doing a debian net install but you have to manually do all the configs [19:06] it'll be a good learning experience in config files [19:07] something broke with wifi though [19:07] but arch ships the default files so its not that big of a deal either and i really like it that everything rotates around the /etc/rc.conf file [19:07] I used to be able to connect to the LEAP secured network here [19:07] but now I can only connect to the openaccess one. [19:07] not a deal breaker but quite annoying. [19:08] stupid web-based logins. [19:10] I've got a slew of packages that are being held back from updating. How can I check the reason? [19:12] RagnarokAngel: are you apt-get update or apt-get dist-upgrade? [19:12] update [19:12] *apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade [19:12] upgrade [19:12] I should have thought to dist- [19:12] it's been a while since I actually sat down and worked on this thing [19:12] they are probably needing to remove a package or somethign since upgrade is the same as safe-upgrade in aptitude [19:13] yeah there they all went [19:14] cool [19:14] is notifyosd in arch (or something like it)? [19:14] is that the buble notifications RagnarokAngel? [19:14] yeah [19:14] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25256 [19:15] RagnarokAngel: you can isntall unity in arch if you really want to ;) [19:21] thanks wrst, I'm sure I'll do that. [19:21] ha ha [19:21] well sadly the unity package looks to be failing [19:22] how awful. I'm sure 12 people are sad. [19:23] ha ha [19:23] 12... that seems really high [19:23] Why doesn't this come with all my settings managers installed!? Am I expected to just like what they did to this OS? [19:23] i'm very happy with gnome-shell and a few extensions [19:23] alyawn: you're probably right. Just the guy who packaged it is upset. [19:23] RagnarokAngel: i think thats the idea actually [19:23] wrst: This is not a mac. [19:24] RagnarokAngel: that's the direction ubuntu is headed [19:24] i'm not saying its a bad thing either, but its not for me [19:24] appliance style linux distros. Is this really the future? [19:24] its the future for wide spread adoption [19:24] at least people can still get the packages they want, I don't see that going away any time soon. [19:25] I guess I could have done all this tweaking via configs but. [19:26] yeah RagnarokAngel i think that is the idea and actually a good one. people that want to customize will know what to do [19:27] wrst: at least it's linux in front of people. Much like android. Even if most people don't understand a thing about just how deep we have access. [19:28] yep, and I like what conanicol is doing with ubuntu actually [19:29] you haven't really run linux unless you've gone into kernel panic. [19:29] wrst: I think, in general, it's a good thing. It's definitely more options. And if more of my friends are running it I can always drop to terminal. [19:31] yep exactly [19:32] what the hell is going on. [19:32] I've had two packages installed now that are not available as terminal commands. [19:32] compizconfig-settings-manager [19:32] and notifyosdconfig [19:33] but both are available to be launched via the gui? WTF? [19:33] RagnarokAngel: does ccsm start it from the terminal? [19:34] wrst: yes. Are these abstracted somehow? [19:35] don't know RagnarokAngel just remember needing to start it from teh command line before and that did it [19:42] hello rfinley [19:58] wb average_guy, RagnarokAngel ;) [19:58] hi wrst [19:59] howdy average_guy [19:59] thanks wrst [19:59] and RagnarokAngel greetings [19:59] So I need to manually install grub2 now. [19:59] frack. [19:59] ? [20:00] RagnarokAngel: have you considered a clean install? :) [20:00] trying to do a dual boot for a friend [20:00] and it worked fine [20:00] until grub2 [20:00] then /epicfail [20:00] wouldn't install it anywhere via the installer [20:00] ohh yeah ubuntu's tweaked grub 2 bites [20:00] or it did last time i used it [20:01] it seems to be an open issue... that the installer can't install grub2 on certain systems. How does this get released? [20:02] RagnarokAngel: can you use grub-legacy still with ubuntu? [20:03] wrst: honestly no idea. I think a standard grub2 should work, right? [20:03] RagnarokAngel: i despise grub 2 i'm not a good person to ask i'm still running grub-legacy, i just want it to boot!!! [20:03] Wonder how well a wheezy to Sid would work now. :P [20:03] hahaha [20:04] RagnarokAngel: i did run grub 2 for a while but menu.lst is so easy [20:05] I honestly haven't even messed with bootloaders much. I only deal with them when there are problems. [20:05] me too RagnarokAngel, thats the only time I hope anyone does :) [20:06] and I wasn't able to get a gui from the liveusb I made on his machine [20:07] but mine loaded fine. [20:07] er it loaded the gui fine on my machine [20:10] hmm graphics card stuff possibly? [20:12] no it loaded gui elements like the mouse, and it seemed to be functioning fine during the install (which loads the whole gui now for some weird reason). [20:12] err, the whole gui minus unity. [20:13] can we just blame it on unity? [20:15] lol [20:16] there's no way to force a terminal launch of the livecd is there. [20:17] I just need fdisk. [20:17] actually [20:17] I need 0% gui for this [20:18] RagnarokAngel: i'm guessing ctl-alt-f1 doesn't get it done? [20:18] wrst: when would I do that? [20:18] when some of those gui elements are loaded, that should take you out of x and to tty1 [20:19] wrst: seemingly no, it must be hungup somewhere in the initializing then. [20:49] o/ [20:49] Howdy. [20:49] how you guys doing? [20:56] great vychune, you? [20:57] doing fine [20:57] just need a job [21:01] hello vychune [21:01] hey hey [21:02] netritious: know anybody hiring in Memphis? [21:02] not any place in particular...check craigslist? [21:03] wrst: you run arch, right? [21:04] i checked there all the time, it's full of s*** now or days [21:04] netritious: yes i do [21:04] i run arch [21:05] wow there are lots of ppl here running arch [21:05] arch, the next popular distro for power users? [21:06] not me i run, didnt say i like it lol [21:06] netritious: actually i think it has been that for a while [21:10] ^ [21:10] eh idk, I consider myself a power user and haven't tried arch. I've researched it a bit though, and have read docs on packages that othrwise have no docs [21:10] it's great and all but :/ [21:10] s/hr/her/ [21:10] but....what, vychune? :) [21:11] s/pacman/deb [21:14] wrst: maybe it's just I'm not trendy? \m/ lol [21:14] I've actually been tempted a few times to try arch, but I hear about the time involved and, well, I already spend to much time ont he computer, at least that's what my wife says [21:14] vychune: I like apt, but haven't tried pacman [21:14] what's wrong with arch's package manager? [21:15] I don't like it [21:15] command line only [21:25] o/ ChanServ [21:25] :D [21:25] o/ chris4585 [21:26] Unit193: urusai [21:26] lol hi [21:28] vychune: its not necessarily command line only i use gnome-packagekit [21:29] netritious: ^^ [21:29] netritious: i think you could say pacman -s similar to apt but without anything pretty [21:29] hmm pacman [21:29] pacman -S is what you use to install a package i have it on the brain! [21:31] ah [21:35] hello chris4585 [21:35] wb RagnarokAngel [21:36] wrst: just another package manager? [21:36] netritious: i just like to have the GUI to serach packages with [21:36] s/serach/search [21:38] vychune: I get not wanting to deal with the terminal. It's a user preference thing oc. [21:39] wrst: are you using quassel on winders? (hence no speeel check?) [21:39] oh wait, sorry that was vychune :? [21:40] ......oro? [21:42] oh nothing, my mind wandered...I thought that was wrst making the correction [21:44] ohhh [21:44] i know vim too lol [21:45] i know nano :/ [21:45] and a little vi....I almost always have to breakout the cheatsheet for vi [21:45] IKR lol [21:46] if I used it more it wouldn't be an issue...again, one of those time things [21:47] i love nano [21:50] it just works™ [21:51] so does vi, but it's less intuitive, for me at least. [21:52] take someone like cyberanger or Unit193 and they probably prefered vi from the get go lol [21:52] Na, I'm not that cool. :P [21:52] XD [21:52] I've been surprised before... [21:54] I once met an old school perl programmer that used nano [21:54] professional coder [21:54] I have gnome-packagekit installed but rarely use it, I prefer pacman -Ss and pacman -Syyu [21:54] does arch have man? [21:54] of course [21:55] just checking [21:56] long time no see netritious [21:56] yeah, been a minute chris4585 :) [21:57] I've been around, only have tiem for lurking mostly [21:57] *time [21:57] yeah, I haven't been on irc lately, just no real want to be on here, feeling really introverted lately [21:58] chris4585: really? why? [21:59] netritious: what else would it have? besides man? [21:59] I haven't felt like talking to people lately I guess, no real issues [21:59] oh ok then lol [22:01] netritious: i was on windows but now i'm back at home so i have spellcheck [22:03] lol wrst [22:03] :) [22:03] vychune: there have been a few systems I've tried where the default install doesn't include man [22:03] and netritious i'm right with you nano works and makes sense! [22:04] and if you aren't familiar with the package manager, you're left with --help or -?, which is fine I guess [22:04] ah ok [22:06] yeah I was happily surprised that last time I visudo'ed and there was nano [22:06] wrst: ^ [22:06] seems to be the default [22:06] at least on ubuntulog [22:06] *ubuntu [22:07] yes netritious i always setup visudo to work with nano, i spend more time to figure out how to get vi to work than to edit the file [22:07] with sudo i think vi is still default i'm betting ubuntu makes a good tweak there [22:08] I always forget how to set the default editor, EXPORT=nano or something [22:08] echo --help [22:08] yeah in /home//.profile ? I tink that's it [22:10] s/tink/think/ argh [22:10] * netritious is using quassel on win [22:11] well the client anyway...server is on a precise vm [22:12] * vychune is using xchat [22:14] dinner...afk [22:33] got a job! [22:34] * vychune fangirl screams [23:06] ....... [23:06] oh well lol