[00:18] <RagnarokAngel>  sigh my card does not want to freaking mount.
[00:37] <binarymutant_pho> anyone else use xbmc?
[00:37] <Unit193> Nope.
[00:38] <binarymutant_pho> it wont let me use my wm
[12:49] <binarymutant> maybe irc on my phone isnt such a great idea. many disconnects
[12:50] <wrst> binarymutant: have you thought about something like znc?
[12:51] <binarymutant> i no longer have anything 'always connected' now that i dropped ec2
[12:51] <wrst> ahh
[12:52] <wrst> i keep a little atom powered box at home running all the time its my 'server'
[12:52] <cyberanger> binarymutant: looked into linode?
[12:52] <binarymutant> wrst i need a small top box
[12:52] <cyberanger> and yeah, that's why I use weechat, screen, connectbot, and some custom push scripts
[12:53] <cyberanger> push notification scripts*
[12:53] <binarymutant> this phone needs a tab button
[12:53] <wrst> binarymutant: raspberry pi, would be great for an irc server
[12:53] <binarymutant> ya
[12:53] <binarymutant> 100$ though
[12:53] <cyberanger> binarymutant: android? hardware keyboard or software
[12:53] <cyberanger> ?
[12:54] <wrst> binarymutant: you are going all crazy and buying a case ? :)
[12:54] <binarymutant> soft, japanese ime
[12:55] <binarymutant> cyberanger vps is too much money
[12:56] <cyberanger> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.pocketworkstation.pckeyboard
[12:56] <cyberanger> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=elbrain.bluekeyboard.ime
[12:57] <cyberanger> the first is a softkeyboard, the second is HID drivers for a bluetooth keyboard
[12:57] <cyberanger> I switch between these two plus swipe depending on the task
[12:58] <binarymutant> i like google's ime
[12:59] <binarymutant> maybe theres a way to do name completion w/o tab
[13:01] <binarymutant> ahh found it. the search button autocompletes
[13:02] <cyberanger> you can install it & never use it, I mean it's rare I pull out the bluetooth keyboard anymore, but when it's what I have to ssh with, it's nice
[13:02] <binarymutant> cyberanger no bluetooth keyboard here
[13:03] <binarymutant> but that would be nice
[13:05] <cyberanger> that's why I suggested hacker's keyboard too though, nicest qwerty softkey I've seen
[13:05] <binarymutant> ibus needs to be ported to android
[13:05] <cyberanger> and why the bluetooth keyboard is rare now
[13:05] <cyberanger> but revert back to swipe for nearly everything outside the ssh client
[13:06] <binarymutant> if ibus was ported i'd use that
[13:07] <binarymutant> the hacker keyboard*
[13:13] <binarymutant> The voice to text is cool
[13:15] <binarymutant> back to xbmc
[13:18] <netritious> with a case and power supply, the raspberry pi is <$60
[13:18] <binarymutant> I thought it was 100 dollars
[13:19] <netritious> nah, the raspberry pi itself is about $40 US, PS about $10 and case <$10
[13:20] <binarymutant> Ooo
[13:20] <netritious> yeah, mine is still in the box....I just haven't had time to mess with it yet
[13:20] <binarymutant> Do want
[13:21] <binarymutant> Xbmc top box
[13:21] <netritious> yep, Svpernova09 has something going on with that on the pi I think
[13:22] <netritious> and then there are arch and debian images already ported to the pi
[13:22] <binarymutant> that's sweet
[13:42] <wrst> netritious: i'm wondering how many pacakges will be available for the pi or ported to arm?
[13:44] <binarymutant> A lot already are
[13:44] <binarymutant> To arm•
[13:44] <wrst> that's cool
[14:00] <netritious> morning wrst
[14:01] <netritious> what binarymutant said :)
[14:01] <wrst> morning netritious, all going well?
[14:02] <netritious> all is well. how about yourself wrst?
[14:02] <wrst> doing well, just getting things together to show the powers that be that we are broke yet another month :)
[14:05] <netritious> could be worse wrst?
[14:05] <wrst> yes they could quit paying me to tell them these things! :)
[14:06] <wrst> this is actually expected and we are doing better than we feared
[14:17] <netritious> wrst: sounds like that qualifies as "could be worse" :)
[14:17] <wrst> ha ha exactly netritious, a LOT worse!
[14:17] <wrst> i still get paid!
[18:56] <RagnarokAngel> I seem to have removed my ability to alt+tab between windows somewhere during my unity purge.
[18:58] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: you running 12.04?
[18:58] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: Yeah, I downloaded the latest image and did an update that way
[18:58] <wrst> i know there is an option about that in ccsm if that helps
[18:59] <RagnarokAngel> seems to have preserved my files but I've got some wonky things still
[18:59] <wrst> i think unity does all that through compiz
[18:59] <RagnarokAngel> well I purged unity and installed gnome3
[18:59] <RagnarokAngel> and I'm using gnome classic
[18:59] <RagnarokAngel> because I dislike gnome-shell as much as unity.
[19:00] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: i'm not for sure then hwo all that works, i've pretty much abandoned ubuntu since unity
[19:00] <wrst> i run it on a server and have a destkop install but unity just isn't for me
[19:00] <RagnarokAngel> me either
[19:00] <wrst> i do like gnome shell, but its rather ugly by default in ubuntu
[19:00] <RagnarokAngel> it sure is
[19:01] <RagnarokAngel> I could probably go and tweak it for an hour or two and get something nice
[19:01] <RagnarokAngel> or I could just keep using an interface I like.
[19:01] <wrst> i'm using it on arch and really happy, but fedora does a nice job of leaving gnome shell alone, but that means you have to use fedora :)
[19:01] <Unit193> RagnarokAngel: People claim Xfce is closer to old style Gnome2, but I'd have to disagree a little as I didn't like Gnome2 and I like Xfce. ;P
[19:01] <wrst> what do you prefer RagnarokAngel?
[19:01] <RagnarokAngel> gnome2 was fine with gnome-do
[19:01] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: extensions are the bomb with gnoem shell you can make it whatever you want
[19:01] <RagnarokAngel> yeah, I've heard.
[19:01] <wrst> especially some of the menu extensions out there
[19:02] <RagnarokAngel> I actually... just don't care.
[19:02] <wrst> or the fallback mode is pretty gnome 2-ish also
[19:02] <RagnarokAngel> the classic interface is fine
[19:02] <RagnarokAngel> I'd honestly be interested in going to a tiling wm instead
[19:03] <Unit193> Ah, like awesomewm.
[19:03] <wrst> Unit193: you can get xfce, tweak, and compiz and you pretty much have gnome 2 in all its glory
[19:03] <Unit193> "Glory" ;)
[19:03] <RagnarokAngel> yeah awesomewm/ratpoison/xmonad
[19:03] <RagnarokAngel> I have a feeling once I move I'll never come back
[19:03] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: that's hardcore!
[19:03] <RagnarokAngel> keyboards are so much more useful for managing my windows
[19:03] <Unit193> You can build from the mini.iso and just install what you want, if you would like to stay with Ubuntu.
[19:03] <RagnarokAngel> and this losing alt-tab is pretty shit.
[19:04] <RagnarokAngel> I think the only real reason I'm running ubuntu right now is because valve is going to be officially supporting it first.
[19:04] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: yeah i was about to say if you like that level of customization ubuntu probably isn't the place
[19:05] <wrst> and i wouldn't be surprised if some smart person doesn't somehow get valve in the AUR for arch
[19:05] <RagnarokAngel> yeah an arch install is very likely in my future
[19:05] <RagnarokAngel> oh they absolutely will
[19:05] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: its easy  as long as you read the docs :)
[19:05] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: I've done some of the required reading.
[19:06] <RagnarokAngel> and I'd be fine if I had my chromebook next to me for the whole install
[19:06] <RagnarokAngel> I just did this to get a quick and dirty update to my ancient 10.10
[19:06] <wrst> i don't think its that bad its like doing a debian net install but you have to manually do all the configs
[19:06] <RagnarokAngel> it'll be a good learning experience in config files
[19:07] <RagnarokAngel> something broke with wifi though
[19:07] <wrst> but arch ships the default files so its not that big of a deal either and i really like it that everything rotates around the /etc/rc.conf file
[19:07] <RagnarokAngel> I used to be able to connect to the LEAP secured network here
[19:07] <RagnarokAngel> but now I can only connect to the openaccess one.
[19:07] <RagnarokAngel> not a deal breaker but quite annoying.
[19:08] <RagnarokAngel> stupid web-based logins.
[19:10] <RagnarokAngel> I've got a slew of packages that are being held back from updating. How can I check the reason?
[19:12] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: are you apt-get update or apt-get dist-upgrade?
[19:12] <RagnarokAngel> update
[19:12] <wrst> *apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:12] <RagnarokAngel> upgrade
[19:12] <RagnarokAngel> I should have thought to dist-
[19:12] <RagnarokAngel> it's been a while since I actually sat down and worked on this thing
[19:12] <wrst> they are probably needing to remove a package or somethign since upgrade is the same as safe-upgrade in aptitude
[19:13] <RagnarokAngel> yeah there they all went
[19:14] <wrst> cool
[19:14] <RagnarokAngel> is notifyosd in arch (or something like it)?
[19:14] <wrst> is that the buble notifications RagnarokAngel?
[19:14] <RagnarokAngel> yeah
[19:14] <wrst> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25256
[19:15] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: you can isntall unity in arch if you really want to ;)
[19:21] <RagnarokAngel> thanks wrst, I'm sure I'll do that.
[19:21] <wrst> ha ha
[19:21] <wrst> well sadly the unity package looks to be failing
[19:22] <RagnarokAngel> how awful. I'm sure 12 people are sad.
[19:23] <wrst> ha ha
[19:23] <alyawn> 12... that seems really high
[19:23] <RagnarokAngel> Why doesn't this come with all my settings managers installed!? Am I expected to just like what they did to this OS?
[19:23] <wrst> i'm very happy with gnome-shell and a few extensions
[19:23] <RagnarokAngel> alyawn: you're probably right. Just the guy who packaged it is upset.
[19:23] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: i think thats the idea actually
[19:23] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: This is not a mac.
[19:24] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: that's the direction ubuntu is headed
[19:24] <wrst> i'm not saying its a bad thing either, but its not for me
[19:24] <RagnarokAngel> appliance style linux distros. Is this really the future?
[19:24] <wrst> its the future for wide spread adoption
[19:24] <RagnarokAngel> at least people can still get the packages they want, I don't see that going away any time soon.
[19:25] <RagnarokAngel> I guess I could have done all this tweaking via configs but.
[19:26] <wrst> yeah RagnarokAngel i think that is the idea and actually a  good one. people that want to customize will know what to do
[19:27] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: at least it's linux in front of people. Much like android. Even if most people don't understand a thing about just how deep we have access.
[19:28] <wrst> yep, and I like what conanicol is doing with ubuntu actually
[19:29] <RagnarokAngel> you haven't really run linux unless you've gone into kernel panic.
[19:29] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: I think, in general, it's a good thing. It's definitely more options. And if more of my friends are running it I can always drop to terminal.
[19:31] <wrst> yep exactly
[19:32] <RagnarokAngel> what the hell is going on.
[19:32] <RagnarokAngel> I've had two packages installed now that are not available as terminal commands.
[19:32] <RagnarokAngel> compizconfig-settings-manager
[19:32] <RagnarokAngel> and notifyosdconfig
[19:33] <RagnarokAngel> but both are available to be launched via the gui? WTF?
[19:33] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: does ccsm start it from the terminal?
[19:34] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: yes. Are these abstracted somehow?
[19:35] <wrst> don't know RagnarokAngel just remember needing to start it from teh command line before and that did it
[19:42] <wrst> hello rfinley
[19:58] <wrst> wb average_guy, RagnarokAngel ;)
[19:58] <average_guy> hi wrst
[19:59] <wrst> howdy average_guy
[19:59] <RagnarokAngel> thanks wrst
[19:59] <wrst> and RagnarokAngel greetings
[19:59] <RagnarokAngel> So I need to manually install grub2 now.
[19:59] <RagnarokAngel> frack.
[19:59] <wrst> ?
[20:00] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: have you considered a clean install? :)
[20:00] <RagnarokAngel> trying to do a dual boot for a friend
[20:00] <RagnarokAngel> and it worked fine
[20:00] <RagnarokAngel> until grub2
[20:00] <RagnarokAngel> then /epicfail
[20:00] <RagnarokAngel> wouldn't install it anywhere via the installer
[20:00] <wrst> ohh yeah ubuntu's tweaked grub 2 bites
[20:00] <wrst> or it did last time i used it
[20:01] <RagnarokAngel> it seems to be an open issue... that the installer can't install grub2 on certain systems. How does this get released?
[20:02] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: can you use grub-legacy still with ubuntu?
[20:03] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: honestly no idea. I think a standard grub2 should work, right?
[20:03] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: i despise grub 2 i'm not a good person to ask i'm still running grub-legacy, i just want it to boot!!!
[20:03] <Unit193> Wonder how well a wheezy to Sid would work now. :P
[20:03] <RagnarokAngel> hahaha
[20:04] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: i did run grub 2 for a while but menu.lst is so easy
[20:05] <RagnarokAngel> I honestly haven't even messed with bootloaders much. I only deal with them when there are problems.
[20:05] <wrst> me too RagnarokAngel, thats the only time I hope anyone does :)
[20:06] <RagnarokAngel> and I wasn't able to get a gui from the liveusb I made on his machine
[20:07] <RagnarokAngel> but mine loaded fine.
[20:07] <RagnarokAngel> er it loaded the gui fine on my machine
[20:10] <wrst> hmm graphics card stuff possibly?
[20:12] <RagnarokAngel> no it loaded gui elements like the mouse, and it seemed to be functioning fine during the install (which loads the whole gui now for some weird reason).
[20:12] <RagnarokAngel> err, the whole gui minus unity.
[20:13] <wrst> can we just blame it on unity?
[20:15] <RagnarokAngel> lol
[20:16] <RagnarokAngel> there's no way to force a terminal launch of the livecd is there.
[20:17] <RagnarokAngel> I just need fdisk.
[20:17] <RagnarokAngel> actually
[20:17] <RagnarokAngel> I need 0% gui for this
[20:18] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: i'm guessing ctl-alt-f1 doesn't get it done?
[20:18] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: when would I do that?
[20:18] <wrst> when some of those gui elements are loaded, that should take you out of x and to tty1
[20:19] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: seemingly no, it must be hungup somewhere in the initializing then.
[20:49] <vychune> o/
[20:49] <Unit193> Howdy.
[20:49] <vychune> how you guys doing?
[20:56] <wrst> great vychune, you?
[20:57] <vychune> doing fine
[20:57] <vychune> just need a job
[21:01] <netritious> hello vychune
[21:01] <vychune> hey hey
[21:02] <vychune> netritious: know anybody hiring in Memphis?
[21:02] <netritious> not any place in particular...check craigslist?
[21:03] <netritious> wrst: you run arch, right?
[21:04] <vychune> i checked there all the time, it's full of s*** now or days
[21:04] <wrst> netritious: yes i do
[21:04] <vychune> i run arch
[21:05] <netritious> wow there are lots of ppl here running arch
[21:05] <netritious> arch, the next popular distro for power users?
[21:06] <vychune> not me i run, didnt say i like it lol
[21:06] <wrst> netritious: actually i think it has been that for a while
[21:10] <vychune> ^
[21:10] <netritious> eh idk, I consider myself a power user and haven't tried arch. I've researched it a bit though, and have read docs on packages that othrwise have no docs
[21:10] <vychune> it's great and all but :/
[21:10] <netritious> s/hr/her/
[21:10] <netritious> but....what, vychune? :)
[21:11] <vychune> s/pacman/deb
[21:14] <netritious> wrst: maybe it's just I'm not trendy? \m/ lol
[21:14] <netritious> I've actually been tempted a few times to try arch, but I hear about the time involved and, well, I already spend to much time ont he computer, at least that's what my wife says
[21:14] <netritious> vychune: I like apt, but haven't tried pacman
[21:14] <netritious> what's wrong with arch's package manager?
[21:15] <vychune> I don't like it
[21:15] <vychune> command line only
[21:25] <vychune> o/ ChanServ
[21:25] <Unit193> :D
[21:25] <vychune> o/ chris4585
[21:26] <vychune> Unit193: urusai
[21:26] <chris4585> lol hi
[21:28] <wrst> vychune: its not necessarily command line only i use gnome-packagekit
[21:29] <wrst> netritious: ^^
[21:29] <wrst> netritious: i think you could say pacman -s similar to apt but without anything pretty
[21:29] <wrst> hmm pacman
[21:29] <wrst> pacman -S is what you use to install a package i have it on the brain!
[21:31] <vychune> ah
[21:35] <netritious> hello chris4585
[21:35] <netritious> wb RagnarokAngel
[21:36] <netritious> wrst: just another package manager?
[21:36] <vychune> netritious: i just like to have the GUI to serach packages with
[21:36] <vychune> s/serach/search
[21:38] <netritious> vychune: I get not wanting to deal with the terminal. It's a user preference thing oc.
[21:39] <netritious> wrst: are you using quassel on winders? (hence no speeel check?)
[21:39] <netritious> oh wait, sorry that was vychune :?
[21:40] <vychune> ......oro?
[21:42] <netritious> oh nothing, my mind wandered...I thought that was wrst making the correction
[21:44] <vychune> ohhh
[21:44] <vychune> i know vim too lol
[21:45] <netritious> i know nano :/
[21:45] <netritious> and a little vi....I almost always have to breakout the cheatsheet for vi
[21:45] <vychune> IKR lol
[21:46] <netritious> if I used it more it wouldn't be an issue...again, one of those time things
[21:47] <vychune> i love nano
[21:50] <netritious> it just works™
[21:51] <netritious> so does vi, but it's less intuitive, for me at least.
[21:52] <netritious> take someone like cyberanger or Unit193 and they probably prefered vi from the get go lol
[21:52] <Unit193> Na, I'm not that cool. :P
[21:52] <netritious> XD
[21:52] <netritious> I've been surprised before...
[21:54] <netritious> I once met an old school perl programmer that used nano
[21:54] <netritious> professional coder
[21:54] <chris4585> I have gnome-packagekit installed but rarely use it, I prefer pacman -Ss and pacman -Syyu
[21:54] <netritious> does arch have man?
[21:54] <chris4585> of course
[21:55] <netritious> just checking
[21:56] <chris4585> long time no see netritious
[21:56] <netritious> yeah, been a minute chris4585 :)
[21:57] <netritious> I've been around, only have tiem for lurking mostly
[21:57] <netritious> *time
[21:57] <chris4585> yeah, I haven't been on irc lately, just no real want to be on here, feeling really introverted lately
[21:58] <vychune> chris4585: really? why?
[21:59] <vychune> netritious: what else would it have? besides man?
[21:59] <chris4585> I haven't felt like talking to people lately I guess, no real issues
[21:59] <vychune> oh ok then lol
[22:01] <wrst> netritious: i was on windows but now i'm back at home so i have spellcheck
[22:03] <netritious> lol wrst
[22:03] <wrst> :)
[22:03] <netritious> vychune: there have been a few systems I've tried where the default install doesn't include man
[22:03] <wrst> and netritious i'm right with you nano works and makes sense!
[22:04] <netritious> and if you aren't familiar with the package manager, you're left with --help or -?, which is fine I guess
[22:04] <vychune> ah ok
[22:06] <netritious> yeah I was happily surprised that last time I visudo'ed and there was nano
[22:06] <netritious> wrst: ^
[22:06] <netritious> seems to be the default
[22:06] <netritious> at least on ubuntulog
[22:06] <netritious> *ubuntu
[22:07] <wrst> yes netritious i always setup visudo to work with nano, i spend more time to figure out how to get vi to work than to edit the file
[22:07] <wrst> with sudo i think vi is still default i'm betting ubuntu makes  a good tweak there
[22:08] <chris4585> I always forget how to set the default editor, EXPORT=nano or something
[22:08] <Unit193> echo --help
[22:08] <netritious> yeah in /home/<username>/.profile ? I tink that's it
[22:10] <netritious> s/tink/think/ argh
[22:10]  * netritious is using quassel on win
[22:11] <netritious> well the client anyway...server is on a precise vm
[22:12]  * vychune is using xchat
[22:14] <netritious> dinner...afk
[22:33] <vychune>  got a job!
[22:34]  * vychune fangirl screams
[23:06] <vychune> .......
[23:06] <vychune> oh well lol