| sakhi | Morning | 06:02 |
|---|---|---|
| === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg | ||
| Kilos | morning all | 06:17 |
| Kilos | lo nuvolari | 06:21 |
| Kilos | hi SmilyBorg | 06:21 |
| SmilyBorg | Morning Kilos | 06:21 |
| Kerbero | oh my | 06:27 |
| Kerbero | hi kilos | 06:27 |
| Kerbero | dag smileyborg | 06:27 |
| SmilyBorg | Hi Kerbero | 06:30 |
| charl | good morning! | 06:43 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 06:43 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 06:43 | |
| charl | dirty mugs again... eish | 06:43 |
| not_found | morning charl | 06:45 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl! | 06:47 |
| not_found | Morning Maaz | 06:48 |
| charl | hi not_found | 06:50 |
| Kilos | grrr power cut | 07:08 |
| Kilos | lo charl | 07:08 |
| Kilos | hi not_found | 07:09 |
| not_found | alo uncle Kilos | 07:09 |
| charl | hi Kilos | 07:30 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 08:00 |
| * Maaz puts the kettle on | 08:00 | |
| charl | it's morning we need coffee | 08:00 |
| charl | ah no dirty cups this time... good to hear | 08:00 |
| * not_found is busy getting another cup of tea :) | 08:01 | |
| not_found | Maaz, tea please | 08:02 |
| Maaz | As soon as the kettle boils I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already | 08:02 |
| not_found | thanks Maaz | 08:02 |
| not_found | not as talkative as he was in the past... | 08:02 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl! | 08:04 |
| charl | Maaz: thanks | 08:05 |
| Maaz | charl: No problem | 08:05 |
| Kilos | yo sflr hows ya | 09:19 |
| Kilos | oh my | 09:19 |
| Kilos | o there he is | 09:19 |
| sflr | morning guys! | 09:19 |
| sflr | hey Kilos | 09:19 |
| charl | morning sflr | 09:27 |
| sflr | hi charl! | 09:28 |
| sflr | hmm.. i need to boot into windows after 3 months on ubuntu. lol | 09:29 |
| charl | how so? | 09:30 |
| Kilos | aw shame | 09:30 |
| charl | windows-only applications? | 09:30 |
| sflr | need some link, username, password. haha | 09:31 |
| charl | i used to run dual boot for years only for the occasion i needed to use skype | 09:31 |
| charl | at the time i couldn't get skype working on ubuntu (this was a long time ago) | 09:31 |
| charl | ah i see, now that's not so bad :P | 09:31 |
| sflr | charl: I do miss Picasa on ubuntu | 09:31 |
| sflr | Skype working great now. plus G+ Hangouts | 09:31 |
| Squirm | (Squirm) Ok, im running f16 with 8gb of ram on an ecs h61h2-m2. My problem now, is after a power cut(electricity just dies), when i next try and boot, after grub i get cpu1 not responding, cpu2 not responding, cpu3 not responding. This is the 3rd time its happened. The first time, after resetting the bios a few times and some fiddling, i sent the motherboard back and they replaced it with the same model. Everything worked, 2nd time, a bios reset d | 09:31 |
| tonberryE352 | irc cut you off after " 2nd time, a bios reset d" | 09:32 |
| * sflr will bbl | 09:35 | |
| inetpro | eish! | 10:16 |
| Kilos | wat nou | 10:16 |
| inetpro | just when I bragged about the Dell E6220 having no issues one pops up after the latest kernel update | 10:16 |
| Kilos | uh oh | 10:17 |
| inetpro | suddenly it doesn't pick up my large monitor any more and I'm back to a yucky display after a reboot | 10:17 |
| Kilos | you are right ...EISH | 10:18 |
| Kilos | whats that dell thing a lappy? | 10:18 |
| tumbleweed | that's a certified device, you should raise a bug report, I'm sure the certification team would be interested to know that they missed it http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/models/?query=e6220 | 10:19 |
| inetpro | Kilos: yep | 10:19 |
| inetpro | thanks tumbleweed, I was hoping that you'd chime in | 10:19 |
| Kilos | there you go inetpro | 10:19 |
| tumbleweed | mention the word regression in the report | 10:20 |
| inetpro | ok, now I forgot how to start again | 10:20 |
| Kilos | next time you update it wont have the prob anymore | 10:20 |
| tumbleweed | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs | 10:21 |
| Kilos | haha ballie | 10:21 |
| inetpro | tumbleweed: tks | 10:21 |
| Kilos | tumbleweed, is ibid good in 12.04 | 10:21 |
| Kilos | soon i will go 12.04 | 10:22 |
| inetpro | tumbleweed: please explain regression for me | 10:22 |
| tumbleweed | Kilos: hopefully | 10:22 |
| tumbleweed | inetpro: it's a regression, because it was working fine until you installed a stable kernel update | 10:22 |
| inetpro | ahh | 10:23 |
| tumbleweed | those aren't supposed to break anything, any breakage is a regression, and treated fairly seriously | 10:23 |
| tumbleweed | regression as in "things get worse" | 10:23 |
| inetpro | thanks | 10:23 |
| inetpro | tumbleweed: what would be the specific package at fault in my case? | 10:27 |
| inetpro | for running ubuntu-bug against | 10:27 |
| tumbleweed | you said it was a kernel update? | 10:27 |
| tumbleweed | so the package is linux | 10:28 |
| inetpro | in fact I have kubuntu, do I still run ubuntu-bug? | 10:28 |
| tumbleweed | yes | 10:28 |
| inetpro | tumbleweed: cool | 10:28 |
| tumbleweed | as far as I knew, the QA team tested new kernels on all the machines in the QA labs before they got published. I'd assume tehy have all certified machiens in their labs | 10:30 |
| inetpro | eish! "Cannot connect to crash databa..." | 10:31 |
| inetpro | Got to run this again with http_proxy settings | 10:31 |
| tumbleweed | https_proxy too, probably | 10:31 |
| inetpro | hmm... it really doesn't like me today | 10:33 |
| inetpro | Application: Apport KDE (python2.7), signal: Aborted | 10:33 |
| inetpro | Using host libthread_db library "/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libthread_db.so.1". | 10:33 |
| inetpro | [Current thread is 1 (Thread 0xb7375b00 (LWP 3401))] | 10:34 |
| tumbleweed | looks kind of like this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/957438 | 10:34 |
| inetpro | guess I shall have to connect directly to the net and not via proxy | 10:35 |
| tumbleweed | you can also try unsetting DISPLAY, before calling it, to run it in text-only mode | 10:36 |
| inetpro | tumbleweed: LWP tells me that it's something with the connection to the crash database | 10:37 |
| inetpro | I'll try unsetting DISPLAY | 10:37 |
| tumbleweed | not necessarily. LWP = light weight thread | 10:37 |
| tumbleweed | I maen light weight process, which = thread | 10:39 |
| inetpro | tumbleweed: unsetting DISPLAY worked like a charm | 10:44 |
| inetpro | busy trying to write up further info | 10:44 |
| inetpro | Summary: Regression of display environment on Dell Latitude E6220 after installing latest kernel | 10:45 |
| inetpro | tumbleweed: ^^ that ok? | 10:45 |
| tumbleweed | no, the summary should say exactly what's wrong | 10:45 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 10:47 |
| inetpro | well here's my what happened | 10:48 |
| inetpro | After installing the latest updates which included kernel updates and requiring a reboot I only get a resolution of 1024x768 on a Dell 19" Monitor when I've had much higher resolution without any problems for a long time. | 10:48 |
| tumbleweed | as in "Not getting native resolution on external monitor after installing kernel update" | 10:50 |
| tumbleweed | then give the full story in the body | 10:50 |
| inetpro | ok | 10:51 |
| * inetpro is feeling a migraine building up inside | 10:54 | |
| Kilos | eish | 10:56 |
| inetpro | tumbleweed: bug 1028379 | 10:58 |
| tumbleweed | New → Confirmed 19 seconds ago | 11:00 |
| tumbleweed | by a kernel team guy | 11:00 |
| inetpro | wow | 11:00 |
| inetpro | got the mail... confirmed by Brad Figg from Portland, Oregon | 11:07 |
| inetpro | tumbleweed: so does that mean they know about an issue there? | 11:08 |
| tumbleweed | actually, he runs a bot across all kernel bugs | 11:11 |
| tumbleweed | I didn't know that it confirmed them too, but clearly it does. Don't know what the criteria for confirming is, there | 11:11 |
| inetpro | hmm... now I really don't get this | 11:15 |
| inetpro | suddenly after a third reboot everything is back to normal | 11:15 |
| Kilos | be thankfull | 11:15 |
| inetpro | Kilos: that's not normal | 11:16 |
| tumbleweed | sometimes graphics cards boot in odd states | 11:16 |
| Kilos | tell brtad to reboot 3 times too | 11:16 |
| tumbleweed | try a few more times, if it doesn't happen, close the bug | 11:16 |
| Kilos | yo magespawn | 11:16 |
| tumbleweed | my MacBook boots up with crazy graphics 3 out of every 4 times | 11:16 |
| inetpro | but I must say I pressed ESC twice during the boot process to get rid of the splash screen | 11:16 |
| tumbleweed | it's certainly not linux's fault, because it's crazy in the bootloader too | 11:16 |
| magespawn | Hi Kilos, tumbleweed, inetpro | 11:17 |
| * inetpro thought of booting to the old kernel but somehow missed the grub menu | 11:18 | |
| inetpro | heh magespawn | 11:18 |
| * magespawn waves hi to the lurkers in the room o/ | 11:18 | |
| Kilos | lol | 11:18 |
| Kilos | like yusuf | 11:19 |
| Kilos | was just sitting pondering if ive ever seen him chatting | 11:19 |
| Kilos | hey yusuf | 11:19 |
| magespawn | I think I have seen him once or twice. | 11:20 |
| Kilos | oh | 11:20 |
| magespawn | how would you do a clean install on a headless server? | 11:24 |
| Kilos | crazy nick MRpunk | 11:24 |
| Kilos | whats headless magespawn | 11:25 |
| magespawn | one with no inputs on it, so no monitor or keyboard, or mouse (lol) | 11:26 |
| Kilos | remotely | 11:26 |
| Kilos | can you see it from another pc | 11:27 |
| magespawn | well networked, because the machine is sitting right net to me | 11:27 |
| magespawn | net | 11:27 |
| magespawn | next | 11:27 |
| magespawn | i can ssh to it. | 11:27 |
| Kilos | so cant your main one see whats happening when you put a cd in the server | 11:28 |
| Kilos | like as in the boot menu of the cd | 11:28 |
| magespawn | no cd drive in the server. but I can use a live usb | 11:28 |
| Kilos | server has no cdrom but got usb ports | 11:29 |
| Kilos | ? | 11:29 |
| magespawn | yes | 11:29 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 11:29 |
| Kilos | how will you setup the server to boot from usb then | 11:29 |
| magespawn | I figured I would not need a cdrom. I can put one in, but I wanted to see if it was possible to do it over a network | 11:30 |
| Kilos | put a screen and keyboard on it | 11:30 |
| magespawn | that you can set in the bios as it boots but with no screen or keyboard | 11:30 |
| magespawn | it becomes a bit difficult | 11:31 |
| Kilos | well i main pc can see what should be on server screen then you should be able to see server boot to usb | 11:31 |
| Kilos | if | 11:32 |
| magespawn | ahh but once the install start you are going to lose the connection then how do you see what is going on until the install is done. | 11:32 |
| Kilos | as in with vnc or something | 11:32 |
| Kilos | i dunno you supposed to be teaching me | 11:32 |
| magespawn | this is not something I have done before. | 11:33 |
| Kilos | whats google say | 11:33 |
| Kilos | i go ask maaz | 11:33 |
| magespawn | I was being lazy | 11:33 |
| Kilos | http://askubuntu.com/questions/8539/clean-install-of-ubuntu-server-over-the-network | 11:34 |
| Kilos | http://askubuntu.com/questions/13106/how-can-i-install-ubuntu-on-a-headless-machine | 11:35 |
| Kilos | magespawn, ^^ | 11:35 |
| magespawn | ty Kilos will take a gander | 11:36 |
| Kilos | yw | 11:37 |
| Kilos | hope one works | 11:37 |
| magespawn | I am sure one will work | 11:37 |
| Kilos | which one | 11:39 |
| Kilos | i gonna ask you how to next | 11:39 |
| Kilos | i hate googling but maaz does a great job only 4 or so links at a time | 11:41 |
| magespawn | actually looks like a release upgrade will be the easiest way to do it | 11:47 |
| Kilos | i think thats what fly does | 11:48 |
| Kilos | yo sakhi tonberryE352 | 11:49 |
| tonberryE352 | hello | 11:49 |
| sakhi | hey Kilos | 11:49 |
| Kilos | i wonder why this channel doesnt grow | 11:51 |
| Kilos | only at meetings we got some more | 11:51 |
| Kilos | Superhuman_, hows things | 11:51 |
| magespawn | The instructions say to put the ks.cfg file in the root of the drive and then modify the kernal boot parameters like so ks=cdrom:/path/to/ks.cfg, What would I use if I am booting from USB? | 11:59 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 12:00 |
| Kilos | inetpro, ^^ | 12:00 |
| magespawn | maybe something like "ks=usb: /dev/sdb/ks.cfg" | 12:01 |
| Kilos | aw he has a migraine coming on. sorry goosie | 12:01 |
| Kilos | usb0 | 12:01 |
| magespawn | I would have to make sure the machine sees the usb as a boot device | 12:01 |
| Kilos | first see what port the usb is | 12:02 |
| magespawn | you guys chatting in ##kilos? | 12:02 |
| Kilos | its open | 12:02 |
| Kilos | hes been having probs after an update and getting migraine | 12:03 |
| magespawn | nah is okay. just did not see anything happen here, thought I missed something. | 12:03 |
| Kilos | na | 12:03 |
| Kilos | even qp is asleep still | 12:03 |
| === Superhuman_ is now known as Superhuman | ||
| magespawn | Kilos to do alts upgrade I used the following command do-release-upgrade -d. The -d forces an upgrade, before the 12.04.1 is released. | 12:26 |
| Kilos | oh you not going 12.04? | 12:27 |
| Kilos | oh sorry | 12:28 |
| Kilos | 12.04.1 | 12:28 |
| Kilos | i dont read good | 12:29 |
| Kilos | everyone always moans | 12:29 |
| magespawn | yes i am, do-release-upgrade waits until they release the .1 version | 12:29 |
| Kilos | aha ty | 12:29 |
| magespawn | makes for interesting conversation anyway | 12:29 |
| Kilos | but i wont do it that way, too much data | 12:29 |
| magespawn | true | 12:30 |
| Kilos | will use cds | 12:30 |
| Kilos | then update as and when | 12:30 |
| magespawn | you can use flash drives too. I find that works better than cds. | 12:30 |
| Kilos | not if you gotta download the iso | 12:31 |
| Kilos | and this pc cant boot from usb | 12:31 |
| Kilos | will see when got nother one going | 12:31 |
| === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za | ||
| Kilos | yo trixie | 12:36 |
| Kilos | Trixar_za, | 12:36 |
| Trixar_za | Hey Kilos | 12:36 |
| === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za | ||
| magespawn | Kilos I think you can download the mirror to an external hard drive and upgrade your machine from there. | 13:27 |
| magespawn | here goes the upgrade of the server | 13:28 |
| magespawn | apparently it will take about 53 mins to get all the software | 13:28 |
| Kilos | 40 gigs? | 13:29 |
| magespawn | no just the 380 odd needed for my upgrade | 13:30 |
| magespawn | mb | 13:30 |
| Kilos | ah thats good | 13:30 |
| Kilos | so is 12.04.1 out magespawn | 13:34 |
| magespawn | no do not think so, that is why i had to use -d | 13:34 |
| Kilos | i mean upgraded already | 13:35 |
| Kilos | i thought still a few months to go | 13:35 |
| Kilos | so what you upgrading from | 13:35 |
| magespawn | 10.04 | 13:36 |
| Kilos | aha | 13:36 |
| Kilos | you lucky its so little | 13:37 |
| Kilos | i thought it would be about a gig | 13:37 |
| magespawn | did keep the system fairly up to date anyways | 13:37 |
| Kilos | that seems the answer then to upgrade from lts to lts | 13:39 |
| magespawn | i like to stick with the lts versions, less problems usually. | 13:40 |
| Kilos | im glad i went from 10.04 to 10.10 though. maverick has been great | 13:41 |
| magespawn | just reading up on password cracking | 13:44 |
| Kilos | but gonna give unity a good go as it seems to be the way forward | 13:45 |
| magespawn | it is quite nice | 13:45 |
| Kilos | with suse and fedora and then going unity too | 13:45 |
| Kilos | there are crackers in synaptic | 13:45 |
| Kilos | what you read and where | 13:46 |
| magespawn | hold on on the other pc | 13:46 |
| magespawn | lastbit.com/pswcalc.asp | 13:47 |
| magespawn | this is a calculator that shows how long it will take if you have to brute force a password based on your input | 13:47 |
| Kilos | on your own pc you mean not a windows thing | 13:48 |
| magespawn | password length 16 characters, mixed lower case, upper case and punctuation at 500,000 passwrods per second = 509 440 345 384 9301 years | 13:49 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 13:50 |
| magespawn | wireless networks or any password protected file etc | 13:50 |
| Kilos | aw my password is only 13 characters | 13:51 |
| magespawn | that windows thing does not crack the password it simple re writes the password file. | 13:51 |
| Kilos | ya lol | 13:51 |
| magespawn | mixed characters? | 13:51 |
| Kilos | yip | 13:51 |
| Squirm | lol, because I reset my bios, my time change: offset 19904330.370724 sec | 13:51 |
| magespawn | yours = 194 336 069 26 years. | 13:52 |
| Kilos | upper case numbers 4 upper case and lower case letters 5 the numbers | 13:52 |
| Kilos | 4 | 13:52 |
| magespawn | of course this does assume that you are only using brute force | 13:53 |
| tonberryE352 | correct horse batter staple | 13:53 |
| tonberryE352 | :P | 13:53 |
| tonberryE352 | battery* | 13:53 |
| Squirm | Maaz: 19904330.370724/60 | 13:54 |
| Maaz | Squirm: 331738.839512 | 13:54 |
| magespawn | if your password is actual words that make sense eg "IwentTOtheZooONMondaythe13ofMay", they would get it a lot quicker. | 13:54 |
| Squirm | Maaz: 331738.839512/60 | 13:54 |
| Maaz | Squirm: 5528.98065853 | 13:54 |
| Kilos | i dunno about vista and win 7 but xp you can go in as root while booting and change password | 13:54 |
| Squirm | Maaz: 5528.98065853/24 | 13:54 |
| Maaz | Squirm: 230.374194105 | 13:54 |
| magespawn | you can with the other two as well | 13:54 |
| Squirm | 230.374194105/4 | 13:54 |
| Squirm | Maaz: 230.374194105/4 | 13:55 |
| Maaz | Squirm: 57.5935485262 | 13:55 |
| Squirm | 57 months | 13:55 |
| Squirm | :P | 13:55 |
| Squirm | meh | 13:55 |
| Squirm | that was wrong | 13:55 |
| magespawn | Squirm what are you doing? | 13:55 |
| Squirm | lol | 13:55 |
| Kilos | yeah what? | 13:55 |
| Kilos | how come maaz answers that | 13:55 |
| Squirm | calculating my offset in months, the long way | 13:55 |
| Squirm | :P | 13:55 |
| Kilos | what offset Squirm | 13:57 |
| Squirm | .:Squirm:. lol, because I reset my bios, my time change: offset 19904330.370724 sec | 13:59 |
| Kilos | is maaz deducting the first from the second | 13:59 |
| magespawn | Squirm, is asking Maaz to the maths from seconds to months conversion | 14:00 |
| Squirm | Maaz: 19904330.370724/60/60/24 | 14:00 |
| Maaz | Squirm: 230.374194106 | 14:00 |
| Squirm | 230days | 14:00 |
| Kilos | oh my | 14:00 |
| magespawn | but what is that offset measuring? | 14:00 |
| magespawn | offset from what? | 14:01 |
| Kilos | whats the 60's | 14:01 |
| Squirm | I ran ntpdate | 14:01 |
| magespawn | i see | 14:01 |
| Kilos | Brute Force Attack will take up to 12861917392 years | 14:02 |
| Kilos | You should have bought a password manager! :-) | 14:02 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 14:02 |
| Squirm | lol | 14:03 |
| Squirm | Kilos: what are you looking to do? | 14:03 |
| magespawn | then ppl like Linked in go and store it in a unencrypted database so making it waste of time anyway | 14:03 |
| magespawn | for you and the cracker | 14:03 |
| Kilos | looking how secure my password is Squirm | 14:04 |
| Squirm | use a better encryption and more complicated, randomely generated passwords :P | 14:04 |
| magespawn | tell it to use the full ASCII set | 14:05 |
| Squirm | Kilos: run this | 14:05 |
| Kilos | no man one good strong password that you make part of your life and use for everything | 14:05 |
| Squirm | head -c 500 /dev/urandom | tr -dc 'a-zA-Z0-9' | fold -w 10 | head -n 1 | 14:05 |
| Squirm | where the -w 10 is the length of your password | 14:06 |
| Squirm | I use that to generate a random, temporary file name | 14:06 |
| Squirm | 0o | 14:14 |
| Kilos | eish second power cut today\ | 14:14 |
| Kilos | this one hurt my maverick, even terminal takes a while to open | 14:15 |
| Squirm | Kilos | 14:15 |
| Squirm | the powercut today | 14:15 |
| Squirm | broke my motherboard | 14:15 |
| Squirm | or hdd | 14:15 |
| Squirm | I just got it booting now | 14:15 |
| Kilos | eish | 14:15 |
| Squirm | been down since 9:30 | 14:15 |
| Squirm | but it booted with a lot of errors | 14:15 |
| Kilos | bad news all these cuts without warning | 14:16 |
| Kilos | you need to run fsck | 14:16 |
| Squirm | yep | 14:16 |
| Squirm | did | 14:16 |
| Kilos | or recovery on booting | 14:16 |
| Squirm | 3rd time this has happened | 14:16 |
| Kilos | sucks hey | 14:16 |
| Kilos | whats that output from that thing i ran Squirm | 14:17 |
| Kilos | SWN9LE8yl2Zpv | 14:18 |
| Squirm | random | 14:18 |
| Kilos | how you gonna remember that | 14:18 |
| Squirm | :P | 14:18 |
| Squirm | I remember a random 6 digit password | 14:19 |
| Squirm | change the -w 10 to a -w 6 to get 6 digits | 14:19 |
| Kilos | na better to use numbers and words that have some meaning to you | 14:19 |
| Kilos | then upper and lower case some of them | 14:20 |
| Kilos | as in 1234Squirm!@#$ | 14:23 |
| magespawn | 14 mins till serve upgrade | 14:23 |
| Banlam | the hard part comes remembering which passwords are uppercased and which aren't | 14:23 |
| Kilos | yay magespawn thats quick | 14:23 |
| Kilos | lol @ Banlam | 14:24 |
| magespawn | I am off home later all. | 14:30 |
| Kilos | cheers magespawn | 14:30 |
| Kilos | go home safe all of you | 14:42 |
| Kilos | bbl | 14:42 |
| nuvolari | o/ | 16:53 |
| nuvolari | hello everyone | 16:53 |
| Cantide | hello ^-^ | 16:53 |
| nuvolari | lo Cantide! How're you? | 16:58 |
| Cantide | I am well :) | 16:59 |
| Cantide | and you? | 16:59 |
| nuvolari | doing good thank you | 17:03 |
| Cantide | :) | 17:04 |
| * nuvolari drops a pin | 17:16 | |
| * Cantide tries not to step on it | 17:19 | |
| Kilos | yo Cantide evening all | 17:30 |
| Cantide | hey Kilos :p | 17:31 |
| === Cantide is now known as CanStudy | ||
| Kilos | haha good lad | 18:02 |
| George__ | Hi Ubuntu Loco guys | 18:25 |
| Kilos | hi George__ | 18:25 |
| Kilos | lo nuvolari | 18:27 |
| George__ | Does the loco team have any meetings other than on IRC? Like a regular LUG? | 18:27 |
| Banlam | George__, where are you located? | 18:28 |
| George__ | Centurion, Gauteng | 18:30 |
| inetpro | good evening | 18:31 |
| Banlam | I think there are occasional Ubuntu Hours in the area | 18:31 |
| Banlam | I wonder where queery is | 18:32 |
| Banlam | I think he's also around there | 18:32 |
| Kilos | hi inetpro | 18:32 |
| * inetpro feels a lot better than this afternoon | 18:32 | |
| Kilos | head bad inetpro ? | 18:32 |
| inetpro | will try to limit the time in front of the screen though | 18:32 |
| Kilos | queisnt on tonight | 18:32 |
| Kilos | queery | 18:33 |
| Kilos | George__, are you on the mailing list | 18:33 |
| George__ | Nope, should probably subscribe eh? | 18:33 |
| Kilos | ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com | 18:33 |
| inetpro | George__: we're not really a LUG but there are other meetings like release parties, Ubuntu Hours, etc | 18:34 |
| inetpro | all depends on members arranging it themselves | 18:34 |
| Kilos | leave your query there and one of the gauteng guys will reply | 18:34 |
| George__ | Cool :) Thanks | 18:35 |
| inetpro | nothing as scheduled as our monthly meetings here on IRC | 18:35 |
| inetpro | thing is that we have many members from diverse physical locations around the country | 18:36 |
| inetpro | IRC is still the most efficient for having our meetings | 18:36 |
| George__ | Makes sense :D | 18:38 |
| Kilos | George__, you must visit here more often and try attend our meetings. always nice to have new faces around | 18:38 |
| inetpro | Maaz: tell charl he should look at "Skype jumps the shark: Seven alternative VoIP services" http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/skype-jumps-the-shark-seven-alternative-voip-services/2488 | 18:38 |
| Maaz | inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Charl on freenode | 18:38 |
| Kilos | or even lurk here everyday | 18:39 |
| George__ | Kilos: I'll try to hang out here more often | 18:40 |
| inetpro | George__: how long have you been using Ubuntu? | 18:40 |
| Kilos | great always welcome | 18:40 |
| Kilos | you here with your browser? | 18:41 |
| George__ | inetpro: Been using linux for about 5 years and Ubuntu since Jan this year. Was using Suse before Ubuntu | 18:41 |
| inetpro | great! | 18:41 |
| George__ | Kilos: Jip not really clued up with IRC, do I need a client? | 18:41 |
| inetpro | George__: try connecting with a proper client | 18:42 |
| inetpro | like xchat | 18:42 |
| Kilos | George__, install xchat | 18:42 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:42 |
| inetpro | or quassel | 18:42 |
| George__ | I'll install xchat... or quassel | 18:42 |
| Kilos | he isnt on kubuntu | 18:42 |
| inetpro | or even pidgin if you have to | 18:42 |
| inetpro | or irssi | 18:42 |
| inetpro | if you like the cli | 18:42 |
| inetpro | many choices | 18:42 |
| Kilos | xchat rocks just dont use xchat-gnome | 18:43 |
| George__ | Think I'll go with xchat for now | 18:43 |
| Kilos | sudo apt-get install xchat | 18:43 |
| George__ | Thanks Kilos | 18:43 |
| Kilos | yw | 18:43 |
| Kilos | inetpro, xchat rocks | 18:44 |
| inetpro | Kilos: sure | 18:44 |
| Kilos | just that little bit better than quassel and konversation | 18:44 |
| inetpro | haha | 18:44 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:44 |
| Kilos | i have a great internet connection tonight | 18:45 |
| Kilos | took 1 day short of a month | 18:46 |
| Kilos | that was quick GeorgeSteven | 18:46 |
| GeorgeSteven | OK I'm on with xchat | 18:46 |
| GeorgeSteven | :D | 18:47 |
| Kilos | you can go settings preferences and make it beep when your nick is mentioned | 18:48 |
| Kilos | alerts i think its called | 18:48 |
| GeorgeSteven | Kilos: thanks found it! | 18:50 |
| Kilos | takes some trial and error to get everything setup to your liking but worth the trouble | 18:51 |
| Kilos | inetpro, you still using unity? | 18:52 |
| Kilos | hey magespawn | 18:55 |
| magespawn | hi Kilos | 18:56 |
| inetpro | Kilos: no | 18:56 |
| Kilos | well inetpro dont forget all the how tos hey | 18:56 |
| inetpro | Kilos: how tos? | 18:57 |
| Banlam | how to | 18:57 |
| Kilos | yeah man all the things im gonna need help with | 18:57 |
| Banlam | the plural | 18:57 |
| Kilos | sorry to's | 18:57 |
| Banlam | well | 18:58 |
| Banlam | no | 18:58 |
| inetpro | lol | 18:58 |
| Banlam | an apostrophe is defnitely wrong | 18:58 |
| Banlam | it's a difficult thing to pluralise | 18:58 |
| Kilos | isnt to's more than one to | 18:58 |
| Banlam | definitely not! | 18:58 |
| inetpro | Kilos: I just wondering what hot to stuffs that you are referring to | 18:58 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:58 |
| Banlam | an apostrophe implies possesion or an abbreviation | 18:59 |
| * inetpro clearly not on the same wavelength | 18:59 | |
| Kilos | anyway the message has got through | 18:59 |
| inetpro | how to stuffs* | 18:59 |
| Banlam | how to tutorials | 18:59 |
| Kilos | not belonging to as well | 18:59 |
| CanStudy | >_< | 18:59 |
| CanStudy | tos would be correct in this case | 18:59 |
| Kilos | ill just say help | 18:59 |
| * CanStudy goes back to studying | 19:00 | |
| Banlam | just confusing | 19:00 |
| Banlam | :) | 19:00 |
| magespawn | well not good English though | 19:00 |
| CanStudy | The dos and don'ts of English grammar .-. | 19:00 |
| Kilos | unity doesnt have top and bottom panels hey? | 19:00 |
| Kilos | what about multiple workspaces? | 19:01 |
| inetpro | Kilos: ahh, you mean I should remeber how to help with Unity? | 19:01 |
| inetpro | remember* | 19:01 |
| Kilos | yes please inetpro | 19:01 |
| Kilos | sjoe that took a while | 19:01 |
| inetpro | lol | 19:01 |
| Kilos | head still sore inetpro ? | 19:01 |
| inetpro | Kilos: there's more than enough peeps around using it | 19:02 |
| Kilos | im bang to leave maverick | 19:02 |
| inetpro | and it's getting easier with each release | 19:02 |
| CanStudy | i want my launcher to stack apps of the same type - basically the same as a nested menu -.-v | 19:02 |
| inetpro | the guys building the stuff are putting a lot of effort into usability studies | 19:03 |
| CanStudy | where can we go if we want to submit requests or suggestions? | 19:03 |
| Kilos | i think the ubuntu guys are going to put even more in now with others using unity | 19:03 |
| Kilos | CanStudy, talk to tumbles | 19:04 |
| inetpro | they even take guys from the streets who have never used computers before and they study how long they take to get going | 19:04 |
| * CanStudy tumbles down a rabbit hole | 19:04 | |
| inetpro | CanStudy: gaan studeer! | 19:04 |
| CanStudy | ja ja! | 19:04 |
| CanStudy | ek sal, nou nou! | 19:04 |
| inetpro | :-) | 19:04 |
| Kilos | no man CanStudy tumbleweed | 19:04 |
| Kilos | haha | 19:05 |
| CanStudy | Kilos, I figured that out after looking at the nick list :p | 19:05 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:05 |
| tumbleweed | hello? | 19:05 |
| Kilos | he is on the dev team | 19:05 |
| Kilos | CanStudy, talk to him | 19:05 |
| CanStudy | umm | 19:05 |
| === CanStudy is now known as Cantide | ||
| Kilos | hi tumbleweed | 19:06 |
| Cantide | tumbleweed, gripes about unity? | 19:06 |
| * tumbleweed sees discussion about unity stuff | 19:06 | |
| tumbleweed | that's not anything that I have anything to do with | 19:06 |
| Cantide | well, the launcher in particular | 19:06 |
| Cantide | tumbleweed, then i've been misled :p | 19:06 |
| tumbleweed | I know there are lists where design ideas are discussed with anyone who is interested | 19:06 |
| inetpro | tumbleweed: I think Kilos thought that you were CanStudy | 19:06 |
| inetpro | Kilos: am I right? | 19:07 |
| tumbleweed | but I also know that they really don't want people just coming and griping with them :) | 19:07 |
| tumbleweed | because they want to make progress rather than have arguments with people that hate change | 19:07 |
| Kilos | nope i was hoping tumbleweed could point him in the right dirtection | 19:07 |
| Kilos | direction | 19:07 |
| inetpro | ahh | 19:07 |
| tumbleweed | http://unity.ubuntu.com/contact-us/ | 19:07 |
| * Cantide gripes | 19:08 | |
| Cantide | thanks, tumbleweed :) | 19:08 |
| tumbleweed | np | 19:08 |
| Cantide | i'd need to prepare some images before proposing ideas | 19:08 |
| Cantide | actually, i don't really have solutions, but i have problems | 19:08 |
| inetpro | eish | 19:09 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:09 |
| Cantide | :p | 19:09 |
| Cantide | i have one solution though ( that works for me anyway ) | 19:09 |
| Cantide | oh, #ubuntu-unity ... hmmm | 19:09 |
| tumbleweed | I suggest lurking before proposing anything, anyway | 19:10 |
| inetpro | I must admit that I can see a lot of good progress with Unity | 19:10 |
| Cantide | of course | 19:10 |
| tumbleweed | it's usually helpful to get a feel for how things are discussed, and get to know who to listen to | 19:10 |
| Cantide | and i'm sure a million other people have already said what i would like to say | 19:10 |
| inetpro | and I can see that there's still a long road ahead | 19:10 |
| GeorgeSteven | Good night everyone. Thanks for the help tonight. Hope to lurk around again soon :D | 19:10 |
| inetpro | GeorgeSteven: you're welcome | 19:10 |
| Cantide | good night, GeorgeSteven 'o' | 19:11 |
| Kilos | night GeorgeSteven anytime | 19:11 |
| tumbleweed | generally the way to get things done is to be prepared to do some work yourself | 19:11 |
| tumbleweed | people rally behind good ideas that have started happening | 19:11 |
| inetpro | tumbleweed: you can say that again | 19:12 |
| Kilos | does keeping maaz busy count? | 19:12 |
| inetpro | and then there's enough room for joining other teams with other ideas | 19:13 |
| inetpro | but there's nothing wrong with voicing your opinions | 19:13 |
| inetpro | obviously if it's within reason | 19:14 |
| Kilos | i think most of the anti unity is from gnome2 working so well | 19:15 |
| Kilos | and folks getting used to it | 19:15 |
| Cantide | i've gotten a little used to Unity, but it has some flaws that seriously impact my efficiency | 19:16 |
| Kilos | so im willing to give unity a good go with some help from my friends | 19:16 |
| Kilos | wb magespawn | 19:16 |
| inetpro | Kilos: gnome2 has a lot of flaws that needed fixing for a long time | 19:16 |
| inetpro | has had a lot of flaws* | 19:16 |
| Cantide | and those all have to do with the lack of the nested menu, and the lack of the panel at the bottom | 19:16 |
| magespawn | ty Kilos | 19:17 |
| magespawn | still learning seamonkey | 19:17 |
| Kilos | yip i noticed up to maverick but then got nice and stable | 19:17 |
| Cantide | and also the way the launcher behaves when you have too many icons there | 19:17 |
| Kilos | Cantide, wait some | 19:17 |
| Kilos | Maaz, unity guide | 19:18 |
| Maaz | http://ubuntu-za.org/news/2012/06/21/unity-orientation-guide-ubuntu-1204-lts | 19:18 |
| Cantide | Kilos, yes, but perhaps pointing them out might help to have them corrected sooner | 19:18 |
| nuvolari | o/ | 19:18 |
| nuvolari | hi oom Kilos | 19:18 |
| Kilos | Cantide, ^^ | 19:18 |
| nuvolari | het oom 'n lekker dag gehad? | 19:18 |
| nuvolari | hi magespawn | 19:18 |
| * Cantide clicks | 19:18 | |
| Kilos | ya dankie seun | 19:18 |
| Kilos | en jy | 19:18 |
| nuvolari | laaang dag danakie :P | 19:18 |
| nuvolari | *nadkie | 19:18 |
| nuvolari | *dankie | 19:19 |
| nuvolari | sjoe | 19:19 |
| Kilos | lol lyk so | 19:19 |
| nuvolari | bleh | 19:19 |
| nuvolari | my bed roep | 19:19 |
| Kilos | jou vriend het nie gepos nie seun, het jy die regte adres gegeee | 19:20 |
| nuvolari | oom moet lekker slaap | 19:20 |
| Kilos | jy ook nuvolari | 19:20 |
| nuvolari | hmm, ek het ja oom | 19:20 |
| Kilos | more is nog n dag | 19:20 |
| nuvolari | hy sal seker nog met oom kontak | 19:20 |
| Kilos | ok dankie | 19:20 |
| Kilos | lekker slaap | 19:20 |
| nuvolari | hy het oom se besonderhede gevra, so ek reken nie hy gaan niks daarmee doen nie :P | 19:20 |
| nuvolari | dankie oom | 19:21 |
| nuvolari | g'night everyone | 19:21 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 19:22 |
| * Maaz starts grinding coffee | 19:22 | |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee for all | 19:22 |
| Maaz | Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already | 19:22 |
| Cantide | that unity guide is more like a 'welcome to ubuntu (in general) with unity' | 19:23 |
| Kilos | inetpro, koffie! | 19:23 |
| Cantide | doesn't touch on the way unity itself works | 19:23 |
| Kilos | you read the whole thing already Cantide | 19:23 |
| Cantide | or differences in usability between it and gnome 2.x, and how unity addresses those differences | 19:23 |
| inetpro | Maaz: coffee please | 19:23 |
| Maaz | inetpro: Alrighty | 19:23 |
| Cantide | Kilos, i read the parts about the launcher, as that is my biggest gripe :p | 19:24 |
| Cantide | also, a lot of that is not specifically about unity, but more about apps and other stuff | 19:24 |
| Kilos | methinks better not to gripe but to make suggestions on how to improve things | 19:24 |
| Cantide | of course | 19:24 |
| Cantide | but it has to start with a gripe :p | 19:24 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:25 |
| Cantide | had i not a gripe, i would be happy with it and not want it changed | 19:25 |
| Kilos | go study | 19:25 |
| Cantide | the fact that it doesn't work quite how i want it to is a good thing - it means i can raise my concerns and help improve it ( i hope ) | 19:25 |
| Kilos | yip | 19:25 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro! | 19:26 |
| Cantide | i think i need to write something up and submit it to them | 19:26 |
| Kilos | Maaz, danke | 19:26 |
| Maaz | Bitteschön | 19:26 |
| inetpro | Cantide: as long as it is raised in the correct forums | 19:26 |
| inetpro | Maaz: ty | 19:26 |
| Maaz | You are welcome inetpro | 19:26 |
| Cantide | Maaz ist ein Deutscher? | 19:26 |
| Maaz | Cantide: Excuse me? | 19:26 |
| Cantide | Maaz, kannst du Deutsch sprechen? | 19:26 |
| Maaz | Cantide: Huh? | 19:26 |
| inetpro | Cantide: nein | 19:26 |
| Cantide | nope | 19:26 |
| Cantide | ja, ich weiss | 19:26 |
| inetpro | :-) | 19:26 |
| Cantide | strange bot :p | 19:26 |
| Kilos | clever bot | 19:27 |
| Kilos | i love maaz | 19:27 |
| Cantide | well, he used the umlaut correctly, i'll give him that :p | 19:27 |
| Kilos | hehe | 19:27 |
| inetpro | Cantide: du kannst ihn aber immer Deutsch lehren | 19:27 |
| Cantide | inetpro, i'll need to find the correct forums first | 19:27 |
| Cantide | inetpro, ich hab kein Zeit ._. | 19:28 |
| Cantide | kein, keine? | 19:28 |
| Kilos | doesnt that link get you to the right place | 19:28 |
| Cantide | heh, even my German grammar is broken :p | 19:28 |
| Cantide | Kilos, i suppose so :p | 19:28 |
| Cantide | let's hope i still have the link once i have compiled something | 19:28 |
| Kilos | save it to a file on desktop man | 19:28 |
| Kilos | then go study | 19:29 |
| Cantide | haha | 19:29 |
| Cantide | yes, sir! | 19:29 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:29 |
| Cantide | my desktop is clean :3 | 19:29 |
| Kilos | then you wont lose it | 19:29 |
| Cantide | good point :p | 19:30 |
| Cantide | i | 19:30 |
| Cantide | i'll bookmark it :) | 19:30 |
| Kilos | i go sleep too now. night everyone | 19:30 |
| Kilos | sleep tight | 19:30 |
| Cantide | night~ | 19:31 |
| Kilos | nag inetpro | 19:31 |
| magespawn | night all | 19:44 |
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