[06:02] Morning === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [06:17] morning all [06:21] lo nuvolari [06:21] hi SmilyBorg [06:21] Morning Kilos [06:27] oh my [06:27] hi kilos [06:27] dag smileyborg [06:30] Hi Kerbero [06:43] good morning! [06:43] Maaz: coffee on [06:43] * Maaz washes some mugs [06:43] dirty mugs again... eish [06:45] morning charl [06:47] Coffee's ready for charl! [06:48] Morning Maaz [06:50] hi not_found [07:08] grrr power cut [07:08] lo charl [07:09] hi not_found [07:09] alo uncle Kilos [07:30] hi Kilos [08:00] Maaz: coffee on [08:00] * Maaz puts the kettle on [08:00] it's morning we need coffee [08:00] ah no dirty cups this time... good to hear [08:01] * not_found is busy getting another cup of tea :) [08:02] Maaz, tea please [08:02] As soon as the kettle boils I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already [08:02] thanks Maaz [08:02] not as talkative as he was in the past... [08:04] Coffee's ready for charl! [08:05] Maaz: thanks [08:05] charl: No problem [09:19] yo sflr hows ya [09:19] oh my [09:19] o there he is [09:19] morning guys! [09:19] hey Kilos [09:27] morning sflr [09:28] hi charl! [09:29] hmm.. i need to boot into windows after 3 months on ubuntu. lol [09:30] how so? [09:30] aw shame [09:30] windows-only applications? [09:31] need some link, username, password. haha [09:31] i used to run dual boot for years only for the occasion i needed to use skype [09:31] at the time i couldn't get skype working on ubuntu (this was a long time ago) [09:31] ah i see, now that's not so bad :P [09:31] charl: I do miss Picasa on ubuntu [09:31] Skype working great now. plus G+ Hangouts [09:31] (Squirm) Ok, im running f16 with 8gb of ram on an ecs h61h2-m2. My problem now, is after a power cut(electricity just dies), when i next try and boot, after grub i get cpu1 not responding, cpu2 not responding, cpu3 not responding. This is the 3rd time its happened. The first time, after resetting the bios a few times and some fiddling, i sent the motherboard back and they replaced it with the same model. Everything worked, 2nd time, a bios reset d [09:32] irc cut you off after " 2nd time, a bios reset d" [09:35] * sflr will bbl [10:16] eish! [10:16] wat nou [10:16] just when I bragged about the Dell E6220 having no issues one pops up after the latest kernel update [10:17] uh oh [10:17] suddenly it doesn't pick up my large monitor any more and I'm back to a yucky display after a reboot [10:18] you are right ...EISH [10:18] whats that dell thing a lappy? [10:19] that's a certified device, you should raise a bug report, I'm sure the certification team would be interested to know that they missed it http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/models/?query=e6220 [10:19] Kilos: yep [10:19] thanks tumbleweed, I was hoping that you'd chime in [10:19] there you go inetpro [10:20] mention the word regression in the report [10:20] ok, now I forgot how to start again [10:20] next time you update it wont have the prob anymore [10:21] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs [10:21] haha ballie [10:21] tumbleweed: tks [10:21] tumbleweed, is ibid good in 12.04 [10:22] soon i will go 12.04 [10:22] tumbleweed: please explain regression for me [10:22] Kilos: hopefully [10:22] inetpro: it's a regression, because it was working fine until you installed a stable kernel update [10:23] ahh [10:23] those aren't supposed to break anything, any breakage is a regression, and treated fairly seriously [10:23] regression as in "things get worse" [10:23] thanks [10:27] tumbleweed: what would be the specific package at fault in my case? [10:27] for running ubuntu-bug against [10:27] you said it was a kernel update? [10:28] so the package is linux [10:28] in fact I have kubuntu, do I still run ubuntu-bug? [10:28] yes [10:28] tumbleweed: cool [10:30] as far as I knew, the QA team tested new kernels on all the machines in the QA labs before they got published. I'd assume tehy have all certified machiens in their labs [10:31] eish! "Cannot connect to crash databa..." [10:31] Got to run this again with http_proxy settings [10:31] https_proxy too, probably [10:33] hmm... it really doesn't like me today [10:33] Application: Apport KDE (python2.7), signal: Aborted [10:33] Using host libthread_db library "/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libthread_db.so.1". [10:34] [Current thread is 1 (Thread 0xb7375b00 (LWP 3401))] [10:34] looks kind of like this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/957438 [10:35] guess I shall have to connect directly to the net and not via proxy [10:36] you can also try unsetting DISPLAY, before calling it, to run it in text-only mode [10:37] tumbleweed: LWP tells me that it's something with the connection to the crash database [10:37] I'll try unsetting DISPLAY [10:37] not necessarily. LWP = light weight thread [10:39] I maen light weight process, which = thread [10:44] tumbleweed: unsetting DISPLAY worked like a charm [10:44] busy trying to write up further info [10:45] Summary: Regression of display environment on Dell Latitude E6220 after installing latest kernel [10:45] tumbleweed: ^^ that ok? [10:45] no, the summary should say exactly what's wrong [10:47] hmm... [10:48] well here's my what happened [10:48] After installing the latest updates which included kernel updates and requiring a reboot I only get a resolution of 1024x768 on a Dell 19" Monitor when I've had much higher resolution without any problems for a long time. [10:50] as in "Not getting native resolution on external monitor after installing kernel update" [10:50] then give the full story in the body [10:51] ok [10:54] * inetpro is feeling a migraine building up inside [10:56] eish [10:58] tumbleweed: bug 1028379 [11:00] New → Confirmed 19 seconds ago [11:00] by a kernel team guy [11:00] wow [11:07] got the mail... confirmed by Brad Figg from Portland, Oregon [11:08] tumbleweed: so does that mean they know about an issue there? [11:11] actually, he runs a bot across all kernel bugs [11:11] I didn't know that it confirmed them too, but clearly it does. Don't know what the criteria for confirming is, there [11:15] hmm... now I really don't get this [11:15] suddenly after a third reboot everything is back to normal [11:15] be thankfull [11:16] Kilos: that's not normal [11:16] sometimes graphics cards boot in odd states [11:16] tell brtad to reboot 3 times too [11:16] try a few more times, if it doesn't happen, close the bug [11:16] yo magespawn [11:16] my MacBook boots up with crazy graphics 3 out of every 4 times [11:16] but I must say I pressed ESC twice during the boot process to get rid of the splash screen [11:16] it's certainly not linux's fault, because it's crazy in the bootloader too [11:17] Hi Kilos, tumbleweed, inetpro [11:18] * inetpro thought of booting to the old kernel but somehow missed the grub menu [11:18] heh magespawn [11:18] * magespawn waves hi to the lurkers in the room o/ [11:18] lol [11:19] like yusuf [11:19] was just sitting pondering if ive ever seen him chatting [11:19] hey yusuf [11:20] I think I have seen him once or twice. [11:20] oh [11:24] how would you do a clean install on a headless server? [11:24] crazy nick MRpunk [11:25] whats headless magespawn [11:26] one with no inputs on it, so no monitor or keyboard, or mouse (lol) [11:26] remotely [11:27] can you see it from another pc [11:27] well networked, because the machine is sitting right net to me [11:27] net [11:27] next [11:27] i can ssh to it. [11:28] so cant your main one see whats happening when you put a cd in the server [11:28] like as in the boot menu of the cd [11:28] no cd drive in the server. but I can use a live usb [11:29] server has no cdrom but got usb ports [11:29] ? [11:29] yes [11:29] sjoe [11:29] how will you setup the server to boot from usb then [11:30] I figured I would not need a cdrom. I can put one in, but I wanted to see if it was possible to do it over a network [11:30] put a screen and keyboard on it [11:30] that you can set in the bios as it boots but with no screen or keyboard [11:31] it becomes a bit difficult [11:31] well i main pc can see what should be on server screen then you should be able to see server boot to usb [11:32] if [11:32] ahh but once the install start you are going to lose the connection then how do you see what is going on until the install is done. [11:32] as in with vnc or something [11:32] i dunno you supposed to be teaching me [11:33] this is not something I have done before. [11:33] whats google say [11:33] i go ask maaz [11:33] I was being lazy [11:34] http://askubuntu.com/questions/8539/clean-install-of-ubuntu-server-over-the-network [11:35] http://askubuntu.com/questions/13106/how-can-i-install-ubuntu-on-a-headless-machine [11:35] magespawn, ^^ [11:36] ty Kilos will take a gander [11:37] yw [11:37] hope one works [11:37] I am sure one will work [11:39] which one [11:39] i gonna ask you how to next [11:41] i hate googling but maaz does a great job only 4 or so links at a time [11:47] actually looks like a release upgrade will be the easiest way to do it [11:48] i think thats what fly does [11:49] yo sakhi tonberryE352 [11:49] hello [11:49] hey Kilos [11:51] i wonder why this channel doesnt grow [11:51] only at meetings we got some more [11:51] Superhuman_, hows things [11:59] The instructions say to put the ks.cfg file in the root of the drive and then modify the kernal boot parameters like so ks=cdrom:/path/to/ks.cfg, What would I use if I am booting from USB? [12:00] sjoe [12:00] inetpro, ^^ [12:01] maybe something like "ks=usb: /dev/sdb/ks.cfg" [12:01] aw he has a migraine coming on. sorry goosie [12:01] usb0 [12:01] I would have to make sure the machine sees the usb as a boot device [12:02] first see what port the usb is [12:02] you guys chatting in ##kilos? [12:02] its open [12:03] hes been having probs after an update and getting migraine [12:03] nah is okay. just did not see anything happen here, thought I missed something. [12:03] na [12:03] even qp is asleep still === Superhuman_ is now known as Superhuman [12:26] Kilos to do alts upgrade I used the following command do-release-upgrade -d. The -d forces an upgrade, before the 12.04.1 is released. [12:27] oh you not going 12.04? [12:28] oh sorry [12:28] 12.04.1 [12:29] i dont read good [12:29] everyone always moans [12:29] yes i am, do-release-upgrade waits until they release the .1 version [12:29] aha ty [12:29] makes for interesting conversation anyway [12:29] but i wont do it that way, too much data [12:30] true [12:30] will use cds [12:30] then update as and when [12:30] you can use flash drives too. I find that works better than cds. [12:31] not if you gotta download the iso [12:31] and this pc cant boot from usb [12:31] will see when got nother one going === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [12:36] yo trixie [12:36] Trixar_za, [12:36] Hey Kilos === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [13:27] Kilos I think you can download the mirror to an external hard drive and upgrade your machine from there. [13:28] here goes the upgrade of the server [13:28] apparently it will take about 53 mins to get all the software [13:29] 40 gigs? [13:30] no just the 380 odd needed for my upgrade [13:30] mb [13:30] ah thats good [13:34] so is 12.04.1 out magespawn [13:34] no do not think so, that is why i had to use -d [13:35] i mean upgraded already [13:35] i thought still a few months to go [13:35] so what you upgrading from [13:36] 10.04 [13:36] aha [13:37] you lucky its so little [13:37] i thought it would be about a gig [13:37] did keep the system fairly up to date anyways [13:39] that seems the answer then to upgrade from lts to lts [13:40] i like to stick with the lts versions, less problems usually. [13:41] im glad i went from 10.04 to 10.10 though. maverick has been great [13:44] just reading up on password cracking [13:45] but gonna give unity a good go as it seems to be the way forward [13:45] it is quite nice [13:45] with suse and fedora and then going unity too [13:45] there are crackers in synaptic [13:46] what you read and where [13:46] hold on on the other pc [13:47] lastbit.com/pswcalc.asp [13:47] this is a calculator that shows how long it will take if you have to brute force a password based on your input [13:48] on your own pc you mean not a windows thing [13:49] password length 16 characters, mixed lower case, upper case and punctuation at 500,000 passwrods per second = 509 440 345 384 9301 years [13:50] hahaha [13:50] wireless networks or any password protected file etc [13:51] aw my password is only 13 characters [13:51] that windows thing does not crack the password it simple re writes the password file. [13:51] ya lol [13:51] mixed characters? [13:51] yip [13:51] lol, because I reset my bios, my time change: offset 19904330.370724 sec [13:52] yours = 194 336 069 26 years. [13:52] upper case numbers 4 upper case and lower case letters 5 the numbers [13:52] 4 [13:53] of course this does assume that you are only using brute force [13:53] correct horse batter staple [13:53] :P [13:53] battery* [13:54] Maaz: 19904330.370724/60 [13:54] Squirm: 331738.839512 [13:54] if your password is actual words that make sense eg "IwentTOtheZooONMondaythe13ofMay", they would get it a lot quicker. [13:54] Maaz: 331738.839512/60 [13:54] Squirm: 5528.98065853 [13:54] i dunno about vista and win 7 but xp you can go in as root while booting and change password [13:54] Maaz: 5528.98065853/24 [13:54] Squirm: 230.374194105 [13:54] you can with the other two as well [13:54] 230.374194105/4 [13:55] Maaz: 230.374194105/4 [13:55] Squirm: 57.5935485262 [13:55] 57 months [13:55] :P [13:55] meh [13:55] that was wrong [13:55] Squirm what are you doing? [13:55] lol [13:55] yeah what? [13:55] how come maaz answers that [13:55] calculating my offset in months, the long way [13:55] :P [13:57] what offset Squirm [13:59] .:Squirm:. lol, because I reset my bios, my time change: offset 19904330.370724 sec [13:59] is maaz deducting the first from the second [14:00] Squirm, is asking Maaz to the maths from seconds to months conversion [14:00] Maaz: 19904330.370724/60/60/24 [14:00] Squirm: 230.374194106 [14:00] 230days [14:00] oh my [14:00] but what is that offset measuring? [14:01] offset from what? [14:01] whats the 60's [14:01] I ran ntpdate [14:01] i see [14:02] Brute Force Attack will take up to 12861917392 years [14:02] You should have bought a password manager! :-) [14:02] hahaha [14:03] lol [14:03] Kilos: what are you looking to do? [14:03] then ppl like Linked in go and store it in a unencrypted database so making it waste of time anyway [14:03] for you and the cracker [14:04] looking how secure my password is Squirm [14:04] use a better encryption and more complicated, randomely generated passwords :P [14:05] tell it to use the full ASCII set [14:05] Kilos: run this [14:05] no man one good strong password that you make part of your life and use for everything [14:05] head -c 500 /dev/urandom | tr -dc 'a-zA-Z0-9' | fold -w 10 | head -n 1 [14:06] where the -w 10 is the length of your password [14:06] I use that to generate a random, temporary file name [14:14] 0o [14:14] eish second power cut today\ [14:15] this one hurt my maverick, even terminal takes a while to open [14:15] Kilos [14:15] the powercut today [14:15] broke my motherboard [14:15] or hdd [14:15] I just got it booting now [14:15] eish [14:15] been down since 9:30 [14:15] but it booted with a lot of errors [14:16] bad news all these cuts without warning [14:16] you need to run fsck [14:16] yep [14:16] did [14:16] or recovery on booting [14:16] 3rd time this has happened [14:16] sucks hey [14:17] whats that output from that thing i ran Squirm [14:18] SWN9LE8yl2Zpv [14:18] random [14:18] how you gonna remember that [14:18] :P [14:19] I remember a random 6 digit password [14:19] change the -w 10 to a -w 6 to get 6 digits [14:19] na better to use numbers and words that have some meaning to you [14:20] then upper and lower case some of them [14:23] as in 1234Squirm!@#$ [14:23] 14 mins till serve upgrade [14:23] the hard part comes remembering which passwords are uppercased and which aren't [14:23] yay magespawn thats quick [14:24] lol @ Banlam [14:30] I am off home later all. [14:30] cheers magespawn [14:42] go home safe all of you [14:42] bbl [16:53] o/ [16:53] hello everyone [16:53] hello ^-^ [16:58] lo Cantide! How're you? [16:59] I am well :) [16:59] and you? [17:03] doing good thank you [17:04] :) [17:16] * nuvolari drops a pin [17:19] * Cantide tries not to step on it [17:30] yo Cantide evening all [17:31] hey Kilos :p === Cantide is now known as CanStudy [18:02] haha good lad [18:25] Hi Ubuntu Loco guys [18:25] hi George__ [18:27] lo nuvolari [18:27] Does the loco team have any meetings other than on IRC? Like a regular LUG? [18:28] George__, where are you located? [18:30] Centurion, Gauteng [18:31] good evening [18:31] I think there are occasional Ubuntu Hours in the area [18:32] I wonder where queery is [18:32] I think he's also around there [18:32] hi inetpro [18:32] * inetpro feels a lot better than this afternoon [18:32] head bad inetpro ? [18:32] will try to limit the time in front of the screen though [18:32] queisnt on tonight [18:33] queery [18:33] George__, are you on the mailing list [18:33] Nope, should probably subscribe eh? [18:33] ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com [18:34] George__: we're not really a LUG but there are other meetings like release parties, Ubuntu Hours, etc [18:34] all depends on members arranging it themselves [18:34] leave your query there and one of the gauteng guys will reply [18:35] Cool :) Thanks [18:35] nothing as scheduled as our monthly meetings here on IRC [18:36] thing is that we have many members from diverse physical locations around the country [18:36] IRC is still the most efficient for having our meetings [18:38] Makes sense :D [18:38] George__, you must visit here more often and try attend our meetings. always nice to have new faces around [18:38] Maaz: tell charl he should look at "Skype jumps the shark: Seven alternative VoIP services" http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/skype-jumps-the-shark-seven-alternative-voip-services/2488 [18:38] inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Charl on freenode [18:39] or even lurk here everyday [18:40] Kilos: I'll try to hang out here more often [18:40] George__: how long have you been using Ubuntu? [18:40] great always welcome [18:41] you here with your browser? [18:41] inetpro: Been using linux for about 5 years and Ubuntu since Jan this year. Was using Suse before Ubuntu [18:41] great! [18:41] Kilos: Jip not really clued up with IRC, do I need a client? [18:42] George__: try connecting with a proper client [18:42] like xchat [18:42] George__, install xchat [18:42] hehe [18:42] or quassel [18:42] I'll install xchat... or quassel [18:42] he isnt on kubuntu [18:42] or even pidgin if you have to [18:42] or irssi [18:42] if you like the cli [18:42] many choices [18:43] xchat rocks just dont use xchat-gnome [18:43] Think I'll go with xchat for now [18:43] sudo apt-get install xchat [18:43] Thanks Kilos [18:43] yw [18:44] inetpro, xchat rocks [18:44] Kilos: sure [18:44] just that little bit better than quassel and konversation [18:44] haha [18:44] hehe [18:45] i have a great internet connection tonight [18:46] took 1 day short of a month [18:46] that was quick GeorgeSteven [18:46] OK I'm on with xchat [18:47] :D [18:48] you can go settings preferences and make it beep when your nick is mentioned [18:48] alerts i think its called [18:50] Kilos: thanks found it! [18:51] takes some trial and error to get everything setup to your liking but worth the trouble [18:52] inetpro, you still using unity? [18:55] hey magespawn [18:56] hi Kilos [18:56] Kilos: no [18:56] well inetpro dont forget all the how tos hey [18:57] Kilos: how tos? [18:57] how to [18:57] yeah man all the things im gonna need help with [18:57] the plural [18:57] sorry to's [18:58] well [18:58] no [18:58] lol [18:58] an apostrophe is defnitely wrong [18:58] it's a difficult thing to pluralise [18:58] isnt to's more than one to [18:58] definitely not! [18:58] Kilos: I just wondering what hot to stuffs that you are referring to [18:58] lol [18:59] an apostrophe implies possesion or an abbreviation [18:59] * inetpro clearly not on the same wavelength [18:59] anyway the message has got through [18:59] how to stuffs* [18:59] how to tutorials [18:59] not belonging to as well [18:59] >_< [18:59] tos would be correct in this case [18:59] ill just say help [19:00] * CanStudy goes back to studying [19:00] just confusing [19:00] :) [19:00] well not good English though [19:00] The dos and don'ts of English grammar .-. [19:00] unity doesnt have top and bottom panels hey? [19:01] what about multiple workspaces? [19:01] Kilos: ahh, you mean I should remeber how to help with Unity? [19:01] remember* [19:01] yes please inetpro [19:01] sjoe that took a while [19:01] lol [19:01] head still sore inetpro ? [19:02] Kilos: there's more than enough peeps around using it [19:02] im bang to leave maverick [19:02] and it's getting easier with each release [19:02] i want my launcher to stack apps of the same type - basically the same as a nested menu -.-v [19:03] the guys building the stuff are putting a lot of effort into usability studies [19:03] where can we go if we want to submit requests or suggestions? [19:03] i think the ubuntu guys are going to put even more in now with others using unity [19:04] CanStudy, talk to tumbles [19:04] they even take guys from the streets who have never used computers before and they study how long they take to get going [19:04] * CanStudy tumbles down a rabbit hole [19:04] CanStudy: gaan studeer! [19:04] ja ja! [19:04] ek sal, nou nou! [19:04] :-) [19:04] no man CanStudy tumbleweed [19:05] haha [19:05] Kilos, I figured that out after looking at the nick list :p [19:05] lol [19:05] hello? [19:05] he is on the dev team [19:05] CanStudy, talk to him [19:05] umm === CanStudy is now known as Cantide [19:06] hi tumbleweed [19:06] tumbleweed, gripes about unity? [19:06] * tumbleweed sees discussion about unity stuff [19:06] that's not anything that I have anything to do with [19:06] well, the launcher in particular [19:06] tumbleweed, then i've been misled :p [19:06] I know there are lists where design ideas are discussed with anyone who is interested [19:06] tumbleweed: I think Kilos thought that you were CanStudy [19:07] Kilos: am I right? [19:07] but I also know that they really don't want people just coming and griping with them :) [19:07] because they want to make progress rather than have arguments with people that hate change [19:07] nope i was hoping tumbleweed could point him in the right dirtection [19:07] direction [19:07] ahh [19:07] http://unity.ubuntu.com/contact-us/ [19:08] * Cantide gripes [19:08] thanks, tumbleweed :) [19:08] np [19:08] i'd need to prepare some images before proposing ideas [19:08] actually, i don't really have solutions, but i have problems [19:09] eish [19:09] lol [19:09] :p [19:09] i have one solution though ( that works for me anyway ) [19:09] oh, #ubuntu-unity ... hmmm [19:10] I suggest lurking before proposing anything, anyway [19:10] I must admit that I can see a lot of good progress with Unity [19:10] of course [19:10] it's usually helpful to get a feel for how things are discussed, and get to know who to listen to [19:10] and i'm sure a million other people have already said what i would like to say [19:10] and I can see that there's still a long road ahead [19:10] Good night everyone. Thanks for the help tonight. Hope to lurk around again soon :D [19:10] GeorgeSteven: you're welcome [19:11] good night, GeorgeSteven 'o' [19:11] night GeorgeSteven anytime [19:11] generally the way to get things done is to be prepared to do some work yourself [19:11] people rally behind good ideas that have started happening [19:12] tumbleweed: you can say that again [19:12] does keeping maaz busy count? [19:13] and then there's enough room for joining other teams with other ideas [19:13] but there's nothing wrong with voicing your opinions [19:14] obviously if it's within reason [19:15] i think most of the anti unity is from gnome2 working so well [19:15] and folks getting used to it [19:16] i've gotten a little used to Unity, but it has some flaws that seriously impact my efficiency [19:16] so im willing to give unity a good go with some help from my friends [19:16] wb magespawn [19:16] Kilos: gnome2 has a lot of flaws that needed fixing for a long time [19:16] has had a lot of flaws* [19:16] and those all have to do with the lack of the nested menu, and the lack of the panel at the bottom [19:17] ty Kilos [19:17] still learning seamonkey [19:17] yip i noticed up to maverick but then got nice and stable [19:17] and also the way the launcher behaves when you have too many icons there [19:17] Cantide, wait some [19:18] Maaz, unity guide [19:18] http://ubuntu-za.org/news/2012/06/21/unity-orientation-guide-ubuntu-1204-lts [19:18] Kilos, yes, but perhaps pointing them out might help to have them corrected sooner [19:18] o/ [19:18] hi oom Kilos [19:18] Cantide, ^^ [19:18] het oom 'n lekker dag gehad? [19:18] hi magespawn [19:18] * Cantide clicks [19:18] ya dankie seun [19:18] en jy [19:18] laaang dag danakie :P [19:18] *nadkie [19:19] *dankie [19:19] sjoe [19:19] lol lyk so [19:19] bleh [19:19] my bed roep [19:20] jou vriend het nie gepos nie seun, het jy die regte adres gegeee [19:20] oom moet lekker slaap [19:20] jy ook nuvolari [19:20] hmm, ek het ja oom [19:20] more is nog n dag [19:20] hy sal seker nog met oom kontak [19:20] ok dankie [19:20] lekker slaap [19:20] hy het oom se besonderhede gevra, so ek reken nie hy gaan niks daarmee doen nie :P [19:21] dankie oom [19:21] g'night everyone [19:22] Maaz, coffee on [19:22] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [19:22] Maaz, coffee for all [19:22] Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already [19:23] that unity guide is more like a 'welcome to ubuntu (in general) with unity' [19:23] inetpro, koffie! [19:23] doesn't touch on the way unity itself works [19:23] you read the whole thing already Cantide [19:23] or differences in usability between it and gnome 2.x, and how unity addresses those differences [19:23] Maaz: coffee please [19:23] inetpro: Alrighty [19:24] Kilos, i read the parts about the launcher, as that is my biggest gripe :p [19:24] also, a lot of that is not specifically about unity, but more about apps and other stuff [19:24] methinks better not to gripe but to make suggestions on how to improve things [19:24] of course [19:24] but it has to start with a gripe :p [19:25] lol [19:25] had i not a gripe, i would be happy with it and not want it changed [19:25] go study [19:25] the fact that it doesn't work quite how i want it to is a good thing - it means i can raise my concerns and help improve it ( i hope ) [19:25] yip [19:26] Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro! [19:26] i think i need to write something up and submit it to them [19:26] Maaz, danke [19:26] Bitteschön [19:26] Cantide: as long as it is raised in the correct forums [19:26] Maaz: ty [19:26] You are welcome inetpro [19:26] Maaz ist ein Deutscher? [19:26] Cantide: Excuse me? [19:26] Maaz, kannst du Deutsch sprechen? [19:26] Cantide: Huh? [19:26] Cantide: nein [19:26] nope [19:26] ja, ich weiss [19:26] :-) [19:26] strange bot :p [19:27] clever bot [19:27] i love maaz [19:27] well, he used the umlaut correctly, i'll give him that :p [19:27] hehe [19:27] Cantide: du kannst ihn aber immer Deutsch lehren [19:27] inetpro, i'll need to find the correct forums first [19:28] inetpro, ich hab kein Zeit ._. [19:28] kein, keine? [19:28] doesnt that link get you to the right place [19:28] heh, even my German grammar is broken :p [19:28] Kilos, i suppose so :p [19:28] let's hope i still have the link once i have compiled something [19:28] save it to a file on desktop man [19:29] then go study [19:29] haha [19:29] yes, sir! [19:29] lol [19:29] my desktop is clean :3 [19:29] then you wont lose it [19:30] good point :p [19:30] i [19:30] i'll bookmark it :) [19:30] i go sleep too now. night everyone [19:30] sleep tight [19:31] night~ [19:31] nag inetpro [19:44] night all