| TheMuso | I am starting to hate the new nautilus. | 00:20 |
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| TheMuso | I want my keyboard shortcut accessible menus back. | 00:20 |
| kenvandine | TheMuso, yeah i thought i liked the new nautilus but have changed my mind | 00:34 |
| TheMuso | How are people going to know that all the various menu bits that they want are available by clicking the gear icon. Intuativenot IMO. | 00:38 |
| jbicha | TheMuso: wow I didn't realize that gear menu thing wasn't really keyboard accessible :( | 01:08 |
| jbicha | those embedded Edit & View menus are pretty horrible too | 01:09 |
| RAOF | Oh, wow. | 01:11 |
| RAOF | Yes. | 01:11 |
| RAOF | You know, there is actually a reason that menu bars exist :/ | 01:11 |
| jbicha | epiphany's is a bit better because there aren't as many options (& they can kinda follow what Chrome has done) | 01:12 |
| RAOF | I don't think I like what they've done with the application menu, either. | 01:15 |
| TheMuso | I originally thought the menu proxy was making things screwy, so I launched an instance of nautilus with it disabled, which made no difference. | 01:31 |
| RAOF | Yeah, I think that single menu is what's meant to be there. | 01:32 |
| TheMuso | Yep. | 01:32 |
| TheMuso | But I thought the menu proxy may have blocked shortucts that may have worked to open the gear menu and submenus... | 01:32 |
| TheMuso | shortcuts | 01:32 |
| robru | I actually like the new nautilus, but yeah it does need some help with the keyboard shortcuts. then again, perhaps I'm biased as my own personal application I developed to not have a menubar, only a simple toolbar and a tiny shell menu. | 01:33 |
| TheMuso | robru: Please please please whatever you do, test with the Orca csreen reader, and check keyboard accessibility for comon functions. | 01:33 |
| TheMuso | gah my typing sucks today. | 01:34 |
| robru | never used orca, good call. I'll give it a shot. | 01:34 |
| RAOF | Ooh, it looks like nautilus' type-ahead-find got better, at least. | 01:34 |
| TheMuso | It did? Not in my experience so far. | 01:34 |
| RAOF | Hm. Or, rather, different. | 01:34 |
| TheMuso | IMO its worse. | 01:34 |
| robru | I do make sure to have reasonable keyboard shortcuts though. | 01:34 |
| RAOF | It's now a true recursive search, but you don't get the awesome behaviour of highlighting the thing that you want. | 01:35 |
| RAOF | Urgh. Also, no backspace. That's going to trip me up *all* the time. | 01:35 |
| TheMuso | Yep me too, I use backspace a lot to go up in the directory tree. | 01:37 |
| RAOF | There's no longer *any* button to go up the directory tree, either. | 01:37 |
| TheMuso | Awesome. | 01:38 |
| bryceh | sounds like nautilus ought to be reverted | 01:38 |
| TheMuso | bryceh: If we value our user's sanity, perhaps. | 01:38 |
| TheMuso | Hell if we value our own sanity. | 01:38 |
| RAOF | Oh, I guess there *is* the breadcrumb bar, which is kinda go-up-a-directory. | 01:38 |
| chrisccoulson | hah, oh, nautilus :( | 01:39 |
| chrisccoulson | https://twitter.com/chrisccoulson/status/227446961849122817 ;) | 01:39 |
| TheMuso | chrisccoulson: Yeah agreed, plus the above. I can't get to menus with the keyboard, which is a show stopper. Well, not easily anyway. I can do so if I tab around a bit, and trya and work out which button in the toolbar has focus. | 01:40 |
| chrisccoulson | TheMuso, yeah. i can normally adapt to most things, but I think i'm going to struggle to like the new version :/ | 01:41 |
| TheMuso | Looks like I'll be using the terminal for all file management now. I enjoyed using nautilus for file management. | 01:44 |
| robru | well, yeah. Where else are you going to write perl one liners for batch renaming files? ;-) | 01:45 |
| chrisccoulson | i hate the separation of the appmenu and the gear menu too | 01:45 |
| chrisccoulson | although, i dislike the gear menu entirely in nautilus. it only really works if it's not full of submenus | 01:45 |
| RAOF | Yeah. | 01:45 |
| TheMuso | Agreed to both the above. | 01:46 |
| TheMuso | robru: Batch renames are always terminal of course. :) | 01:46 |
| RAOF | If you've got a couple of menu items a single menu makes sense; if you've got a significant amount of functionality in a couple of different categories exposed there, it doesn't. | 01:46 |
| chrisccoulson | there's a reason why we disable the firefox button in firefox (because it sucks for basically the same reason as the gear menu) | 01:46 |
| TheMuso | But nautilus is useful when one has to move large files, as one doesn't neet to keep a terminal open, and one gets a progress update for the most part. | 01:47 |
| TheMuso | I'd love to see the design team's reaction when they see these changes. | 01:48 |
| robru | TheMuso, I don't feel that it's design is flawed per se, it just seems to me like a few implementation bugs. better keyboard shortcuts and then boil the menus down to the more simpler essentials and it could be just fine. | 02:09 |
| jbicha | ok, I reported https://bugzilla.gnome.org/680567 & https://bugzilla.gnome.org/680568 | 02:36 |
| TheMuso | jbicha: Thanks, the latter was one I was going to file, but I was going to do so after the break I just had. Thanks. | 02:44 |
| * jbicha wonders what Ubuntu Online Accounts is, and finds it humorous that it's included in GNOME (empathy) but currently disabled in Ubuntu | 02:49 | |
| * RAOF is a bit sad about gnome-online-accounts | 02:51 | |
| micahg | kenvandine: it seems like the pointer isn't being restricted to the contents that it should | 02:51 |
| micahg | kenvandine: in the 3 instances I've seen, there's junk appended past the end of where the data should stop | 02:54 |
| kenvandine | interesting | 02:55 |
| * micahg wonders why it would be i386 only | 02:55 | |
| kenvandine | that is what is most odd | 02:57 |
| * micahg wonders if something isn't null terminating a string somewhere, but that should be on all archs vs just i386 | 02:58 | |
| kenvandine | yeah, it is strange | 02:58 |
| kenvandine | if you figure it out... please fix it :) if not i'll work on it more tomorrow | 02:59 |
| micahg | unfortunately, I can't spend more time on it, I can file a bug upstream though | 03:00 |
| kenvandine | i plan to talk to upstream tomorrow | 03:00 |
| micahg | ah, ok, I'll leave it for you then | 03:00 |
| kenvandine | i am also curious to see if 0.19.3 has the same problem | 03:01 |
| kenvandine | which built before | 03:01 |
| kenvandine | i have to finish some libaccounts stuff now though :) | 03:01 |
| micahg | kenvandine: I've just kicked off a test build, will let you know | 03:02 |
| kenvandine | cool | 03:02 |
| kenvandine | thx | 03:02 |
| * micahg looks inquisitively at --disable-Werror | 03:06 | |
| micahg | kenvandine: 0.19.3 passed | 03:10 |
| kenvandine | good | 03:10 |
| pitti | Good morning | 04:06 |
| kenvandine | good morning pitti | 04:08 |
| desrt | pitti: hey! | 04:42 |
| desrt | pitti: you're on IB 0524, right? | 04:42 |
| desrt | pitti: we have a bit of a bad situation. please check your email for a full explanation. | 04:46 |
| BigWhale | Good Morning. | 04:49 |
| pitti | desrt: hey; yes, I am | 04:49 |
| * pitti offlineimaps | 04:50 | |
| desrt | pitti: i appreciate any help you can give :) | 04:50 |
| pitti | desrt: uh, will do | 04:51 |
| desrt | thanks :) | 04:51 |
| pitti | desrt: you can't reach him by phone? | 04:51 |
| pitti | desrt: do you have a photo of him? | 04:51 |
| desrt | tiffany is talking to him right now | 04:51 |
| desrt | any messages? | 04:51 |
| desrt | i found a picture of him | 04:51 |
| pitti | desrt: where does he need to go? Rialta as well, or someplace else? | 04:52 |
| desrt | rialta | 04:53 |
| pitti | ah, that's easy then, we can just go there together | 04:53 |
| pitti | I was going to take a taxi anyway | 04:54 |
| desrt | you should have a picture | 04:54 |
| desrt | ya... taxi is very cheap | 04:54 |
| pitti | I suppose there is little chance to send him https://www.piware.de/fotos/hackergotchi.png now | 04:55 |
| larsu | morning pitti, when do you arrive? I'm sharing a cab with seb at around 8 pm | 04:55 |
| desrt | will do | 04:56 |
| pitti | larsu: I'll arrive at 17:00 already, with didrocks and robert | 04:56 |
| larsu | ah okay. Thought you might be on the same flight... | 04:56 |
| larsu | see you there, then ;) | 04:56 |
| pitti | desrt: got his photo and name on my mobile now, thanks | 04:56 |
| pitti | larsu: yeah, safe travels! | 04:57 |
| larsu | you too! | 04:57 |
| pitti | desrt: so don't worry, we'll pick him up | 04:57 |
| robru | hey desrt, do you have a minute, or are you too busy packing? | 04:58 |
| desrt | robru: i'm just about to be ushered off of a plane | 04:58 |
| robru | hahah, ok. have fun! I'll catch you later. | 04:59 |
| desrt | looks like i'm not going to be flying out until the morning... | 04:59 |
| desrt | pitti: thanks so much for helping out here. i owe you one. | 05:00 |
| pitti | desrt: no worries | 05:01 |
| pitti | desrt: crossing fingers that you'll arrive at last! | 05:02 |
| pitti | desrt: how long is the delay, a full day? | 05:02 |
| desrt | well | 05:02 |
| desrt | we were supposed to leave at 21:45 | 05:02 |
| desrt | now they tell us 8:00 | 05:03 |
| pitti | suck | 05:03 |
| * pitti hugs desrt | 05:04 | |
| desrt | looks like we will lose our iberia flight :( | 05:04 |
| desrt | it was booked separate | 05:04 |
| thumper | desrt: that really sucks | 07:23 |
| xclaesse | with today's firefox update there is a "plugin needed" banner taking half my screen :( | 07:24 |
| xclaesse | and it can't be removed | 07:24 |
| chrisccoulson | xclaesse, screenshot? | 07:49 |
| xclaesse | chrisccoulson, actually restarting firefox fixed it already | 07:50 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, ok. never mind then :) | 07:52 |
| jasoncwarner_ | chrisccoulson: remember yesterday when I said FF was causing all sorts of bad juju on my ssytem? | 07:57 |
| jasoncwarner_ | got the update today and it seemed to be better | 07:57 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, that seems odd :/ | 07:57 |
| jasoncwarner_ | chrisccoulson: whatever! Magic update fairies too care of my problem. Manager Jason is happy! YAY UPDATE FAIRIES! | 07:57 |
| chrisccoulson | heh :) | 07:58 |
| jasoncwarner_ | I'll give it a thorough testing tonight by spending inordinate amount of time on youtube when I'm done with work | 07:58 |
| mlankhorst | jasoncwarner_: during work time of course | 08:03 |
| mlankhorst | :D | 08:03 |
| rickspencer3 | hi jasoncwarner_ | 08:08 |
| rickspencer3 | anyone running Unity 3D on their pandaboards yet? | 08:08 |
| jasoncwarner_ | hey rickspencer3 | 08:09 |
| jasoncwarner_ | hey mlankhorst | 08:09 |
| rickspencer3 | hey guys ;) | 08:09 |
| rickspencer3 | jasoncwarner_, shouldn't Unity 3d work fine on the pandas with the GLES patches? | 08:10 |
| jasoncwarner_ | hey rickspencer3 running 3d has to wait for gles patch to land. it would be 2d for now. | 08:10 |
| jasoncwarner_ | rickspencer3: yeah, but that patch isn't there yet. | 08:10 |
| mlankhorst | heya | 08:12 |
| mlankhorst | heya | 09:55 |
| Sweetsha1k | jasoncwarner_: around? | 10:02 |
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| Sweetshark | hmmm, whoopsie. starting LibreOffice Impress once with LD_DEBUG=all => 207MB logfile | 10:09 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| mlankhorst | Sweetshark: loading 2 gb logfiles with kate that expand to 8gb due to conversion to wide char ;) | 10:55 |
| desrt | pitti: hey | 11:44 |
| desrt | pitti: everything is looking okayish, more or less. see you tomorrow. | 11:46 |
| RAOF | Good luck! | 11:47 |
| desrt | thanks :) | 11:47 |
| * desrt flies | 11:48 | |
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| === popey_ is now known as popey | ||
| bcurtiswx | good morning | 13:17 |
| bcurtiswx | everyone at GUADEC ? | 13:45 |
| dobey | nope | 13:50 |
| === popey_ is now known as popey | ||
| === Guest69114 is now known as Ursinha | ||
| tkamppeter | pitti, hi | 14:24 |
| === zyga is now known as zyga-afk | ||
| blitzkrieg3 | Hello all, can I get a sponsor for bug 873027? | 15:26 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 873027 in unity-2d "DBUS_STARTER_ADDRESS and DBUS_STARTER_BUS_TYPE aren't always unset from environment making gedit and possibly others fail to start" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873027 | 15:26 |
| blitzkrieg3 | specifically for oneiric-proposed, it's already fixed in precise | 15:29 |
| blitzkrieg3 | I have a bzr branch and it's already been reviewed by someone | 15:29 |
| Laney | chrisccoulson: you want to? | 15:31 |
| chrisccoulson | Laney, i'm not even sure i can upload that. i think i tried before already | 15:31 |
| Laney | you aren't core-dev? | 15:31 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, no, i'm not ;) | 15:32 |
| micahg | desktop can upload unity-2d in oneiric | 15:32 |
| Laney | indeed | 15:33 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, so i can | 15:33 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll take a look in a bit then | 15:33 |
| blitzkrieg3 | nice! | 15:35 |
| blitzkrieg3 | thanks chrisccoulson! | 15:35 |
| bcurtiswx | does anyone in here use tcsh ? | 19:01 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, not me | 19:03 |
| bcurtiswx | some change in csh has caused errors where setenv only accepts letter to start | 19:04 |
| kenvandine | well, i was 20 years ago :) | 19:04 |
| bcurtiswx | but in older ubuntu releases this is not the case | 19:04 |
| bcurtiswx | so now a script we run got all screwed up :( | 19:04 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, did it break in precise or quantal | 19:05 |
| bcurtiswx | precise | 19:05 |
| bcurtiswx | (they were using 10.10 <hides> | 19:05 |
| bcurtiswx | upgraded to 12.04 | 19:05 |
| cyphermox | I wonder of the guys are having fun at GUADEC.. | 19:10 |
| cyphermox | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680596 | 19:11 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 680596 in general "NetworkManager cannot connect to Rialta (Guadec 2012) wifi" [Normal,Assigned] | 19:11 |
| bcurtiswx | haha | 19:11 |
| cyphermox | :) | 19:11 |
| kenvandine | haha | 19:11 |
| kenvandine | that's awesome | 19:11 |
| kenvandine | i think i saw that danw wasn't going to guadec | 19:12 |
| kenvandine | too bad, he could fix it there :) | 19:12 |
| cyphermox | kenvandine: it's fixed, pretty much. just really weird ;) | 19:49 |
| kenvandine | :-D | 19:49 |
| Shinobi | I've installed gnome shell from the launchpad ppa, but when I login via the Gnome (as opposed to the Gnome Classic) desktop, it only goes the the fallback gnome, not the full blown gnome3. Am I missing something? | 21:38 |
| jbicha | Shinobi: you need to have working 3D graphics, you probably don't need a PPA though to use gnome-shell | 21:47 |
| Shinobi | anyway to check if I have the hardware I need? | 21:59 |
| skaet | bryceh, RAOF - could one of you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/colord/+bug/1026520? any possible ways of avoiding it? | 22:41 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 1026520 in colord "colord-sane crashed with SIGSEGV in __opendirat()" [High,Confirmed] | 22:41 |
| bryceh | skaet, hopefully RAOF can take it; I'm off on vacation for the remainder of the month | 22:45 |
| skaet | bryceh, have a good vacation. | 22:46 |
| * skaet hopes RAOF can look at it then too. :) | 22:46 | |
| RAOF | skaet: Looking... looks like it's probably a bug in libsane? | 23:49 |
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