[00:20] I am starting to hate the new nautilus. [00:20] I want my keyboard shortcut accessible menus back. [00:34] TheMuso, yeah i thought i liked the new nautilus but have changed my mind [00:38] How are people going to know that all the various menu bits that they want are available by clicking the gear icon. Intuativenot IMO. [01:08] TheMuso: wow I didn't realize that gear menu thing wasn't really keyboard accessible :( [01:09] those embedded Edit & View menus are pretty horrible too [01:11] Oh, wow. [01:11] Yes. [01:11] You know, there is actually a reason that menu bars exist :/ [01:12] epiphany's is a bit better because there aren't as many options (& they can kinda follow what Chrome has done) [01:15] I don't think I like what they've done with the application menu, either. [01:31] I originally thought the menu proxy was making things screwy, so I launched an instance of nautilus with it disabled, which made no difference. [01:32] Yeah, I think that single menu is what's meant to be there. [01:32] Yep. [01:32] But I thought the menu proxy may have blocked shortucts that may have worked to open the gear menu and submenus... [01:32] shortcuts [01:33] I actually like the new nautilus, but yeah it does need some help with the keyboard shortcuts. then again, perhaps I'm biased as my own personal application I developed to not have a menubar, only a simple toolbar and a tiny shell menu. [01:33] robru: Please please please whatever you do, test with the Orca csreen reader, and check keyboard accessibility for comon functions. [01:34] gah my typing sucks today. [01:34] never used orca, good call. I'll give it a shot. [01:34] Ooh, it looks like nautilus' type-ahead-find got better, at least. [01:34] It did? Not in my experience so far. [01:34] Hm. Or, rather, different. [01:34] IMO its worse. [01:34] I do make sure to have reasonable keyboard shortcuts though. [01:35] It's now a true recursive search, but you don't get the awesome behaviour of highlighting the thing that you want. [01:35] Urgh. Also, no backspace. That's going to trip me up *all* the time. [01:37] Yep me too, I use backspace a lot to go up in the directory tree. [01:37] There's no longer *any* button to go up the directory tree, either. [01:38] Awesome. [01:38] sounds like nautilus ought to be reverted [01:38] bryceh: If we value our user's sanity, perhaps. [01:38] Hell if we value our own sanity. [01:38] Oh, I guess there *is* the breadcrumb bar, which is kinda go-up-a-directory. [01:39] hah, oh, nautilus :( [01:39] https://twitter.com/chrisccoulson/status/227446961849122817 ;) [01:40] chrisccoulson: Yeah agreed, plus the above. I can't get to menus with the keyboard, which is a show stopper. Well, not easily anyway. I can do so if I tab around a bit, and trya and work out which button in the toolbar has focus. [01:41] TheMuso, yeah. i can normally adapt to most things, but I think i'm going to struggle to like the new version :/ [01:44] Looks like I'll be using the terminal for all file management now. I enjoyed using nautilus for file management. [01:45] well, yeah. Where else are you going to write perl one liners for batch renaming files? ;-) [01:45] i hate the separation of the appmenu and the gear menu too [01:45] although, i dislike the gear menu entirely in nautilus. it only really works if it's not full of submenus [01:45] Yeah. [01:46] Agreed to both the above. [01:46] robru: Batch renames are always terminal of course. :) [01:46] If you've got a couple of menu items a single menu makes sense; if you've got a significant amount of functionality in a couple of different categories exposed there, it doesn't. [01:46] there's a reason why we disable the firefox button in firefox (because it sucks for basically the same reason as the gear menu) [01:47] But nautilus is useful when one has to move large files, as one doesn't neet to keep a terminal open, and one gets a progress update for the most part. [01:48] I'd love to see the design team's reaction when they see these changes. [02:09] TheMuso, I don't feel that it's design is flawed per se, it just seems to me like a few implementation bugs. better keyboard shortcuts and then boil the menus down to the more simpler essentials and it could be just fine. [02:36] ok, I reported https://bugzilla.gnome.org/680567 & https://bugzilla.gnome.org/680568 [02:44] jbicha: Thanks, the latter was one I was going to file, but I was going to do so after the break I just had. Thanks. [02:49] * jbicha wonders what Ubuntu Online Accounts is, and finds it humorous that it's included in GNOME (empathy) but currently disabled in Ubuntu [02:51] * RAOF is a bit sad about gnome-online-accounts [02:51] kenvandine: it seems like the pointer isn't being restricted to the contents that it should [02:54] kenvandine: in the 3 instances I've seen, there's junk appended past the end of where the data should stop [02:55] interesting [02:55] * micahg wonders why it would be i386 only [02:57] that is what is most odd [02:58] * micahg wonders if something isn't null terminating a string somewhere, but that should be on all archs vs just i386 [02:58] yeah, it is strange [02:59] if you figure it out... please fix it :) if not i'll work on it more tomorrow [03:00] unfortunately, I can't spend more time on it, I can file a bug upstream though [03:00] i plan to talk to upstream tomorrow [03:00] ah, ok, I'll leave it for you then [03:01] i am also curious to see if 0.19.3 has the same problem [03:01] which built before [03:01] i have to finish some libaccounts stuff now though :) [03:02] kenvandine: I've just kicked off a test build, will let you know [03:02] cool [03:02] thx [03:06] * micahg looks inquisitively at --disable-Werror [03:10] kenvandine: 0.19.3 passed [03:10] good [04:06] Good morning [04:08] good morning pitti [04:42] pitti: hey! [04:42] pitti: you're on IB 0524, right? [04:46] pitti: we have a bit of a bad situation. please check your email for a full explanation. [04:49] Good Morning. [04:49] desrt: hey; yes, I am [04:50] * pitti offlineimaps [04:50] pitti: i appreciate any help you can give :) [04:51] desrt: uh, will do [04:51] thanks :) [04:51] desrt: you can't reach him by phone? [04:51] desrt: do you have a photo of him? [04:51] tiffany is talking to him right now [04:51] any messages? [04:51] i found a picture of him [04:52] desrt: where does he need to go? Rialta as well, or someplace else? [04:53] rialta [04:53] ah, that's easy then, we can just go there together [04:54] I was going to take a taxi anyway [04:54] you should have a picture [04:54] ya... taxi is very cheap [04:55] I suppose there is little chance to send him https://www.piware.de/fotos/hackergotchi.png now [04:55] morning pitti, when do you arrive? I'm sharing a cab with seb at around 8 pm [04:56] will do [04:56] larsu: I'll arrive at 17:00 already, with didrocks and robert [04:56] ah okay. Thought you might be on the same flight... [04:56] see you there, then ;) [04:56] desrt: got his photo and name on my mobile now, thanks [04:57] larsu: yeah, safe travels! [04:57] you too! [04:57] desrt: so don't worry, we'll pick him up [04:58] hey desrt, do you have a minute, or are you too busy packing? [04:58] robru: i'm just about to be ushered off of a plane [04:59] hahah, ok. have fun! I'll catch you later. [04:59] looks like i'm not going to be flying out until the morning... [05:00] pitti: thanks so much for helping out here. i owe you one. [05:01] desrt: no worries [05:02] desrt: crossing fingers that you'll arrive at last! [05:02] desrt: how long is the delay, a full day? [05:02] well [05:02] we were supposed to leave at 21:45 [05:03] now they tell us 8:00 [05:03] suck [05:04] * pitti hugs desrt [05:04] looks like we will lose our iberia flight :( [05:04] it was booked separate [07:23] desrt: that really sucks [07:24] with today's firefox update there is a "plugin needed" banner taking half my screen :( [07:24] and it can't be removed [07:49] xclaesse, screenshot? [07:50] chrisccoulson, actually restarting firefox fixed it already [07:52] ah, ok. never mind then :) [07:57] chrisccoulson: remember yesterday when I said FF was causing all sorts of bad juju on my ssytem? [07:57] got the update today and it seemed to be better [07:57] hmmm, that seems odd :/ [07:57] chrisccoulson: whatever! Magic update fairies too care of my problem. Manager Jason is happy! YAY UPDATE FAIRIES! [07:58] heh :) [07:58] I'll give it a thorough testing tonight by spending inordinate amount of time on youtube when I'm done with work [08:03] jasoncwarner_: during work time of course [08:03] :D [08:08] hi jasoncwarner_ [08:08] anyone running Unity 3D on their pandaboards yet? [08:09] hey rickspencer3 [08:09] hey mlankhorst [08:09] hey guys ;) [08:10] jasoncwarner_, shouldn't Unity 3d work fine on the pandas with the GLES patches? [08:10] hey rickspencer3 running 3d has to wait for gles patch to land. it would be 2d for now. [08:10] rickspencer3: yeah, but that patch isn't there yet. [08:12] heya [09:55] heya [10:02] jasoncwarner_: around? === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark [10:09] hmmm, whoopsie. starting LibreOffice Impress once with LD_DEBUG=all => 207MB logfile === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [10:55] Sweetshark: loading 2 gb logfiles with kate that expand to 8gb due to conversion to wide char ;) [11:44] pitti: hey [11:46] pitti: everything is looking okayish, more or less. see you tomorrow. [11:47] Good luck! [11:47] thanks :) [11:48] * desrt flies === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === popey_ is now known as popey [13:17] good morning [13:45] everyone at GUADEC ? [13:50] nope === popey_ is now known as popey === Guest69114 is now known as Ursinha [14:24] pitti, hi === zyga is now known as zyga-afk [15:26] Hello all, can I get a sponsor for bug 873027? [15:26] Launchpad bug 873027 in unity-2d "DBUS_STARTER_ADDRESS and DBUS_STARTER_BUS_TYPE aren't always unset from environment making gedit and possibly others fail to start" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873027 [15:29] specifically for oneiric-proposed, it's already fixed in precise [15:29] I have a bzr branch and it's already been reviewed by someone [15:31] chrisccoulson: you want to? [15:31] Laney, i'm not even sure i can upload that. i think i tried before already [15:31] you aren't core-dev? [15:32] heh, no, i'm not ;) [15:32] desktop can upload unity-2d in oneiric [15:33] indeed [15:33] oh, so i can [15:33] i'll take a look in a bit then [15:35] nice! [15:35] thanks chrisccoulson! [19:01] does anyone in here use tcsh ? [19:03] bcurtiswx, not me [19:04] some change in csh has caused errors where setenv only accepts letter to start [19:04] well, i was 20 years ago :) [19:04] but in older ubuntu releases this is not the case [19:04] so now a script we run got all screwed up :( [19:05] bcurtiswx, did it break in precise or quantal [19:05] precise [19:05] (they were using 10.10 [19:05] upgraded to 12.04 [19:10] I wonder of the guys are having fun at GUADEC.. [19:11] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680596 [19:11] Gnome bug 680596 in general "NetworkManager cannot connect to Rialta (Guadec 2012) wifi" [Normal,Assigned] [19:11] haha [19:11] :) [19:11] haha [19:11] that's awesome [19:12] i think i saw that danw wasn't going to guadec [19:12] too bad, he could fix it there :) [19:49] kenvandine: it's fixed, pretty much. just really weird ;) [19:49] :-D [21:38] I've installed gnome shell from the launchpad ppa, but when I login via the Gnome (as opposed to the Gnome Classic) desktop, it only goes the the fallback gnome, not the full blown gnome3. Am I missing something? [21:47] Shinobi: you need to have working 3D graphics, you probably don't need a PPA though to use gnome-shell [21:59] anyway to check if I have the hardware I need? [22:41] bryceh, RAOF - could one of you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/colord/+bug/1026520? any possible ways of avoiding it? [22:41] Ubuntu bug 1026520 in colord "colord-sane crashed with SIGSEGV in __opendirat()" [High,Confirmed] [22:45] skaet, hopefully RAOF can take it; I'm off on vacation for the remainder of the month [22:46] bryceh, have a good vacation. [22:46] * skaet hopes RAOF can look at it then too. :) [23:49] skaet: Looking... looks like it's probably a bug in libsane?