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head_victimEvening all, Membership board meeting about to begin12:02
cjohnstonmorning12:02
Pendulumhiya :)12:02
cyphermoxhey12:02
micahghi12:03
cyphermox#startmeeting 1200 UTC Ubuntu Membership Board12:03
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cyphermoxHello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the 1200 UTC meeting for July 25, 2012. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards12:04
cyphermoxWe will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.12:04
cyphermoxThe format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).12:04
cyphermoxEach applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.12:04
cyphermoxDuring this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.12:04
cyphermoxWhen the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)12:04
cyphermox#voters cyphermox Pendulum head_victim micahg Destine12:05
meetingologyCurrent voters: Destine Pendulum cyphermox head_victim micahg12:05
cyphermoxNow, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...12:05
cyphermox#subtopic Howard Chan12:06
cyphermox#link https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw12:06
cyphermox#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/smartboyhw12:06
cyphermoxsmartboyhw: please introduce yourself :)12:06
cyphermoxsmartboyhw: you around?12:08
head_victimHmm appears absent12:11
cyphermoxyup12:12
Destineany other applicant?12:12
cyphermoxs9iper1 doesn't appear to be on either, sadly12:12
smartboyhwHi12:12
smartboyhwSorry, can't get it work12:12
head_victimWorking now :)12:12
smartboyhwI'm a Ubuntu tester, helped in Alpha 2 and Daily Builds, I'm a real advanced user of Ubuntu, so Hello12:13
Destinesmartboyhw, good, nice to meet you.12:13
smartboyhwWhen I mean Alpha 2 builds I mean 12.1012:13
Destinesmartboyhw, yes, please go on.12:14
smartboyhwWhat should I say, then12:14
smartboyhwI am really looking forward to help the Ubuntu community12:14
smartboyhwTesting new builds and get the ISO's free of bugs12:14
head_victimsmartboyhw: so my first question, how long have you been testing Ubuntu for and what aspect of testing have your contributed to?12:15
head_victimYour LP profile doesn't show a lot of bug activity so curious to learn more about testing12:16
smartboyhwI've been testing it since the first builds of 12.10 and I test about ISOs12:16
smartboyhwTry to see if there's any bug12:16
smartboyhwIn the ISO QA Tracker12:16
smartboyhwI can provide a email that proves I12:17
Destinesmartboyhw, i don't really see any bugs you reported through LP.12:17
smartboyhwThe problem is, I don't find any bugs12:17
smartboyhwStrange, but I always got it no problem12:17
Destinesmartboyhw, so despite the testing, what else do you do to contribute?12:18
smartboyhwI translated a few lines for Ubuntu12:18
smartboyhwGot some Karma12:18
smartboyhwIn Traditional Chinese (Hong Kong)12:18
head_victimsmartboyhw: is there anyone in the testing community that can vouch for your "significant and sustained contribution to Ubuntu" as required by the membership application?12:19
smartboyhwHere I don't know, but Nicholas Skaggs, the leader of ubuntu iso testing, ca n prove12:20
smartboyhwI have an e-mail12:20
smartboyhwWant that?12:20
Destinesmartboyhw, can you please invite him here?12:21
cyphermoxballoons: ?12:21
cyphermox^12:21
smartboyhwEr, I don't know, I need to send an e-mail12:22
smartboyhwWhich he may not see till sometime12:22
smartboyhwMaybe I really should send the email that proved I've contributed in the ISO testing of 12.10 Alpha 212:23
smartboyhwTo you guys12:23
Destinesmartboyhw, we lookd for sustained contributions, no single email can prove that.12:24
head_victimsmartboyhw: the problem we have is without being involved in QA ourselves we have no way to judge your contribution. We're thinking we should ask you to reapply next month with some signed testimonials of other QA testors that could state your level and length of involvement.12:24
smartboyhwWHAT???12:24
Pendulumsmartboyhw: as a guideline, we generally look for a minimum 6 month involvement12:25
Pendulumsmartboyhw: why do you want to be an Ubuntu member?12:25
smartboyhwI want to contribute more to the community12:25
smartboyhwHelping out12:25
Destinesmartboyhw, ubuntu member is a reward.12:25
smartboyhwAnd I really wish to be a good Ubuntu comtributor12:25
cyphermoxsmartboyhw: What we're looking for is really *sustained and significant* contribution to Ubuntu; which is given as a kind of recognition of having done things in the community; you don't need it to contribute :)12:25
head_victimsmartboyhw: Ubuntu membership is recognition of significant and sustained contributions, it's not permission to contribute. The contribution comes first.12:25
smartboyhwI know that is a reward12:26
Destinesmartboyhw, to those who have already contributed enough.12:26
smartboyhwI think I had12:26
Destinesmartboyhw, you did contribute, but not enough.12:27
smartboyhwWhy?12:27
cyphermoxsmartboyhw: we think you should come back once you've done a bit more; and it would help a lot if you also had people who can vouch for what you12:27
cyphermoxyou've done12:27
cyphermoxalso, have you spoken and gotten involved with a LoCo team in your location?12:28
smartboyhwI have applied to join, but I think the team's dead12:28
Pendulumsmartboyhw: we think you're doing good contributions, but you haven't being doing work for a sustained time period. We also look for testimonials from people you've worked with.12:28
cyphermoxfair enough12:28
smartboyhwThe HongKong LoCo Team12:28
cyphermoxsmartboyhw: reviving the team is one of the things you might want to try.12:28
smartboyhwYeah, but I didn't get apporval to join from the leader12:29
smartboyhwSo I can't revive12:29
smartboyhwI want to, but....12:29
smartboyhwThe team leader didn't reply12:29
Destinesmartboyhw, you might want to contact other members in the LoCo.12:29
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smartboyhwRequested to join in Launchpad12:29
cyphermoxI see12:30
smartboyhwPoor me, I'm crying now12:30
smartboyhwNo one to support me, no Loco Team12:30
cyphermoxhave you only done the request to join or have you also sent an email, they might have missed the launchpad email12:30
Pendulumsmartboyhw: if you really can't find the people who are already members of the LoCo, you may want to talk to the LoCo Council to see if they can help you at all.12:30
smartboyhwOkay, thanks12:31
cyphermoxit's all good -- we appreciate the work you've done; we just think you should keep doing more and come back in a little while12:31
smartboyhwThe question: How little while?12:31
Destinesmartboyhw, maybe you can send me a email, i happen to know people who are involved in HK.12:31
smartboyhwWhat's your e-mail?12:32
cyphermoxit depends. keep working on ISO testing for the release, then after release may be a good time; for instance if other iso testers or Nicholas can vouch for the work.12:32
smartboyhwYeah, I'll be back after Final release12:33
smartboyhwWait for me12:33
smartboyhwI failed12:33
cyphermoxjust don't hesitate to contribute where you can; iso testing isn't necessarily the only thing you may want to touch :)12:34
Destinesmartboyhw, you are always welcome.12:34
cyphermoxasking for help and asking people to write testimonials on your wiki page is always good, too12:34
smartboyhwYeah, if Nicholas didn't get me a testimonial, I'll be dead12:34
head_victimsmartboyhw: I had a bit of alook around, you might be able to join in with some locals - http://ubuntu.opensource.hk/12:34
cyphermoxWe still don't have any other applicants online, so let's wrap this up.12:35
cyphermox#endmeeting12:35
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smartboyhwleave12:35
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* slangasek waves15:00
* stgraber waves15:00
* barry o/15:00
* xnox is here =)15:00
slangasek#startmeeting15:01
meetingologyMeeting started Wed Jul 25 15:01:35 2012 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.15:01
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slangasek#topic lightning round15:01
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slangasek$ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson xnox stokachu)15:01
slangasekbarry slangasek infinity stgraber xnox ogra doko jodh cjwatson ev bdmurray stokachu15:01
barrywin!15:01
barrybug 1020980; worked a bit on the pykde4 port for py3; mostly working on the xapian py3 port using both cython and swig.  not going so well - fighting many problems at all layers.  todo: probably time to move on.  done.15:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1020980 in Software Updater "update-manager API change breaks apturl" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102098015:02
slangasek * last week: lots of work on UEFI at the plugfest15:04
slangasek * this week: new upload of efilinux package, fixing bugs identified through UEFI interop testing; playing email catchup; A3 steering15:04
slangasek(done)15:04
slangasekno infinity, so stgraber:15:04
stgraber- Containers15:05
stgraber - updated python binding for getkeys(), made set_config_item and get_config_item more clever15:05
stgraber - implemented network config API (Container.network[index].key)15:05
stgraber- Networking15:05
stgraber - Submitted IPv6 testing scripts to QA15:05
stgraber - Found an isc-dhcp bug during alpha3 testing (apparmor preventing isc-dhcp-server from starting), fixed in time for a315:05
stgraber- 12.04.115:05
stgraber - 12.04.1 team meeting and minutes15:05
stgraber - Went through all the targeted/milestoned bugs for 12.04.1, updated status based on comments and queue status.15:05
stgraber - Verified a bunch of SRUs.15:05
stgraber - Uploaded a few more SRUs for bugs targeted to the point release (libxslt, sysvinit, krb5, resolvconf)15:05
stgraber- Image based system15:06
stgraber - Started working on a proof of concept for foundations-q-image-based-updates15:06
stgraber- Queuebot15:06
stgraber - Implemented packageset tracking in queuebot.15:06
stgraber - Implemented per-channel filters, allowing packageset/queue/tracker notifications for flavours to be sent to their channel.15:06
stgraber - Some performance and resource consumption improvements.15:06
stgraber- Other15:06
stgraber - Alpha 315:06
stgraber - Bugfixes to sru-report to stop crashing on private bugs.15:06
stgraber - Some ARB app review, the app showdown made the ARB New queue reach 140 packages... Still 50 to review...15:06
stgraber- TODO this week15:06
stgraber - Continue the work on 12.04.1.15:06
stgraber - Get a working proof of concept for foundations-q-image-based-updates allowing booting from multiple wubi images with a shared /home.15:06
stgraber(DONE)15:06
xnox* re-uploaded mdadm SRU, pending re-review from slangasek15:07
xnox* finished LUKS encryption design with mpt15:07
xnox* good progress on manual RAID design with mpt (last remaining design item)15:07
xnox* see Ubiquity Specification linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity15:07
xnox* Automatic LVM support merge into Ubiquity.15:07
xnox* Automatic Full-Disk encryption is almost ready locally, will15:07
xnox  make a merge proposal soon (coding/design done, testing/finding15:07
xnox  bugs now)15:07
xnox* Increased available limits on HpCloud for my account.15:07
xnox* Created a basic juju charm for Luca's cloud-scripts for full-archive rebuilds.15:07
xnox* I will be running ubuntu full archive rebuild probably this weekend.15:07
xnox* After that the small plan is to run:15:07
xnox- rebuild, upload the debs into a temprorary archive & rebuild15:07
xnox  the temporary archive using it's debs, to exercise the rebuild15:07
xnox  code15:07
xnox- rebuild with clang15:07
xnox- rebuild with python3.3 (if available)15:07
xnox* Went do debconf & delivered sponsors thank you bag to England:15:07
slangasekxnox: yep, re-reviewing on my list for this week15:07
xnox- awesome talks about ARM, multi-arch, clang, d-i & partman15:07
xnox- good discussions about archive rebuilds with wookey,doko15:08
xnox- progress on mdadm SRU, thanks to slangasek and infinity15:08
xnoxslangasek: ;-) it will make stgraber happy if it gets accepted.15:08
stgraberI'm sure I'm not the only one being concerned that you own 10% of the 12.04.1 bugs ;)15:08
slangasekheh15:09
ogra_.. ?15:09
xnox..15:09
ogra_done:15:09
ogra_* made arm server alternate work ... (sadly the switch to squashfs broke them again)15:09
ogra_* dug around in netinst breakage, at least these images work fine15:09
ogra_* repeated image tests of all arm images i have HW for (everything but mx5)15:09
ogra_todo:15:09
ogra_* QA sprint next week15:09
ogra_* fix remaining image and flash-kernel issues like:15:09
ogra_* bug 102890515:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1028905 in cdrom-detect (Ubuntu) "cdrom-detect in quantal omap4 hangs trying to look for install media on an extended partition" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102890515:09
ogra_* bug 74613715:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 746137 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "Page allocation failure on Pandaboard and Beagle XM" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74613715:09
ogra_* bug 102678015:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1026780 in flash-kernel (Ubuntu) "3.0~rc.4ubuntu4 doesn't honor bootargs from /boot/boot.script anymore" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102678015:09
ogra_..15:09
jodhFor infinity (if he reads the scrollback now ;)...15:10
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slangasekinfinity's not on the channel... :)15:10
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slangasekalso: ahhhwhat15:10
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jodhFor those that don't do "tetris" (tm) ...15:11
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jodh* boot/upstart: stateful re-exec:15:11
jodh  - blocked object serialisation/deserialisation now 99% done.15:11
slangasekoh, braille15:11
jodh  - can now serialise and deserialise dbus messages.15:11
jodh  - next stages:15:11
jodh    - modify enum handling to handle enum changes.15:11
jodh    - handle ptraced jobs.15:11
jodh    - consider re-exec scenarios.15:11
jodh    - add meta-header.15:11
jodh  - bug 980917: continuing investigations.15:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 980917 in upstart (Ubuntu Precise) "Failed to create pty - disabling logging for job" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98091715:11
jodh* misc: on holiday Tuesday.15:11
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jodhslangasek: hence the scrollback comment ;)15:11
slangasekjodh: no, he's not connected to the channel15:11
slangasekso he won't have scrollback to see it in :)15:12
jodhoh well - he'll have to read it on irclogs :)15:12
ogra_poor boy missing all the barille fun15:12
bdmurraywrote a test case for SRU of bug 1006633 for precise and realized code was wrong15:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1006633 in apport (Ubuntu Precise) "should collect /etc/default/grub from package install failures due to update-grub failing" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100663315:12
bdmurraywrote and tested a new fix for bug 1006633 for quantal and precise15:12
bdmurraywrote, tested and uploaded a fix for bug 1007637 regarding blocking package installation failures15:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1007637 in apport (Ubuntu Precise) "ubuntu general hook should check to see if package install failure has already happened" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100763715:12
bdmurraysetup rls-mgr and qa team reports on cranberry as ubuntureports15:12
bdmurrayremoved code to create reports being made by arsenal from the ubuntu-reports branch15:12
bdmurraypatch pilot15:12
bdmurrayuploaded kerneloops that disables it due to crashers when trying to run the daemon15:12
bdmurrayfixed gnuplot scripts that run on lillypilly and create pkgstats graphs15:12
bdmurraymodify ultimate debian database code to mark same title bugs as duplicates15:12
slangasekyay test cases :)15:13
slangasekdoes "ubuntureports" mean urls are changing?15:13
bdmurrayslangasek: no, just a different user that multiple people can su to and emails regarding cronjobs15:14
slangasekok15:14
slangasek(done)?15:14
bdmurrayyes, done15:14
slangasekstokachu: hi, anything to add this week?15:15
slangaseksounds like no15:16
slangasekmoving on15:16
slangasek[TOPIC] 12.04.115:16
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slangasekstgraber: you have the floor :)15:16
stgraberyay!15:16
stgraberFull bug list can be found at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=4992615:16
stgraberI went through the upload queue and updated the status of these bugs to In-progress so that I can get a better idea of what's going on.15:16
stgraberThe biggest foundation-related SRU currently in the queue is mdadm, fixing one critical bug and 7 others but it's quite large and hasn't been reviewed yet.15:16
stgraberThe list below is for any remaining foundation-related issue that's not marked "In progress" (waiting in unapproved) or "Fix commited" (currently in -proposed).15:16
stgraberWe went from 33 bugs in last week's meeting down to 16 this week (granted, marking all of xnox's as in-progress helped quite a bit ;)!15:16
stgraberso, now to what's left to do:15:17
stgraberPackage management: bug 1017001, bug 926340, bug 92407915:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1017001 in apt (Ubuntu Quantal) "package resolvconf 1.63ubuntu14 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: pre-dependency problem - not installing resolvconf" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101700115:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 926340 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu Precise) "aptd crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _set_error(): 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 9: ordinal not in range(128)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92634015:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 924079 in apt (Ubuntu Precise) "do-release-upgrade fails to upgrade from Oneiric to Precise: Couldn't configure pre-depend libtinfo5 for libncurses5, probably a dependency cycle" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92407915:17
stgraberthe first one is assigned to mvo but he's having a hard time trying to reproduce it, so not much progress was done on it15:17
* slangasek nods15:18
stgraberFilesystem bugs: bug 97801215:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 978012 in e2fsprogs (Ubuntu Precise) "Please SRU micro bug fix release of e2fsprogs 1.42.4-3ubuntu1 (main) from Quantal (main)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97801215:18
stgraberthis one was in the queue last week IIRC but isn't anymore, what happened?15:18
stgraberxnox: ?15:18
xnoxthis one, infinity rejected the upload. and said that he will discuss it with me tomorrow.15:18
stgraberok15:18
stgraberInstaller: bug 991982 (private, assigned to me), bug 484252, bug 946406, bug 966480, bug 98741115:19
slangasekbdmurray: are we much closer to being able to have apt clone attachments stay around again?  probably too late to do any good for bug #1017001 in .1, but seems the shortest path to getting that fixed regardless15:19
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 991982 could not be found15:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 484252 in usb-creator (Ubuntu Precise) "Format action wipes all partitions" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48425215:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 946406 in casper (Ubuntu Quantal) "suspect race condition Keyboard layout, oem-config not set on persistent USB image" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94640615:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 966480 in casper (Ubuntu Precise) "The prompt asking for media removal is not shown at the end of the installation" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96648015:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 987411 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu Quantal) "layout of browser slide in Lubuntu slide show broken (german)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98741115:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1017001 in apt (Ubuntu Quantal) "package resolvconf 1.63ubuntu14 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: pre-dependency problem - not installing resolvconf" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101700115:19
stgraberand bug 99206115:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 992061 in usb-creator (Ubuntu Precise) "USB Startup Disk Creator displays one USB device multiple times" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99206115:19
stgraberif we can't have bug 1017001 fixed for .1, we really should have a way to get apt-clones of these systems at least. I'm expecting quite a few of them to hit that failure as people start upgrading15:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1017001 in apt (Ubuntu Quantal) "package resolvconf 1.63ubuntu14 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: pre-dependency problem - not installing resolvconf" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101700115:20
bdmurrayslangasek: I think it is in the -proposed queue15:20
slangasekah15:21
stgraberthe casper bugs are quite racy, I spent most of Monday trying to reproduce them without much luck... asked for some more details but at this pace it seems less and less likely to be fixed for the point release15:21
slangasekbdmurray: apport/2.0.1-0ubuntu12?15:21
bdmurrayslangasek: no, actually not as it needs a new apt-clone too15:22
slangasekbdmurray: ok15:22
slangasekbdmurray: can you make that a priority for this week?15:22
bdmurrayslangasek: yes15:22
slangasekta15:23
stgraberBoot: bug 98091715:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 980917 in upstart (Ubuntu Precise) "Failed to create pty - disabling logging for job" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98091715:23
stgraberMulti-arch (being worked on by stokachu and arges): bug 977947, bug 977952, bug 932860, bug 85960015:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 977947 in libbonobo (Ubuntu Precise) "Please transition libbonobo to multi-arch" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97794715:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 977952 in libbonoboui (Ubuntu Precise) "Please transition libbonoboui to multi-arch" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97795215:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 932860 in appmenu-gtk (Ubuntu Precise) "Broken (or missing) multiarch support" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93286015:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 859600 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu Precise) "Please convert gnome-keyring to multiarch" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85960015:23
stgraberwaiting on rdepends rebuild for these15:23
stgraberOther core packages: bug 52389615:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 523896 in shadow (Ubuntu Quantal) "useradd: cannot lock /etc/passwd; try again later." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52389615:23
stgraberon that list, the following bugs are currently unassigned (assigned to the team): bug 924079, bug 992061, bug 52389615:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 924079 in apt (Ubuntu Precise) "do-release-upgrade fails to upgrade from Oneiric to Precise: Couldn't configure pre-depend libtinfo5 for libncurses5, probably a dependency cycle" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92407915:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 992061 in usb-creator (Ubuntu Precise) "USB Startup Disk Creator displays one USB device multiple times" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99206115:24
bdmurrayslangasek: actually its update-manager and apt-clone that need uploading and there is currently an update-manager in precise-proposed that needs verifying15:24
slangasekcan anyone here help with that update-manager verification?15:24
slangasekstgraber: when does the freeze for .1 go into effect?  End of the month?15:25
stgraberslangasek: 2nd of August15:25
slangasekah, a thursday freeze :)15:26
jibel_bdmurray, u-m bug number that need verification ?15:26
slangasekso we have just over a week for uploads15:26
bdmurrayjibel_: bug 100295615:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1002956 in update-manager (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Missing ReleaseNotesViewerWebkit.py from package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100295615:26
jibel_ta15:26
slangasekstgraber: I think the bugs that are not yet assigned to anyone need to be un-milestoned then15:26
bdmurrayjibel_: and bug 979661 though it has no specific test case15:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 979661 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "oneiric to precise: debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome and falls back to Dialog" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97966115:26
slangasekI don't think it's realistic that they're going to get fixes in the next week15:26
stgraberjibel_: the other bug in that SRU is a race condition, so not really verifyable, regression testing is good enough for that (I'd count the test of bug 1002956 as regression testing for bug 979661)15:27
jibel_ok, I'll do the verification15:27
bdmurrayjibel_: great, thanks!15:28
stgraberslangasek: usb-creator was fixed in quantal, I'll assign it to me to look for a cherry-pick.15:28
slangasekstgraber: ah, great15:28
stgraberslangasek: the two others, I'll bump to .2 as they seem rather annoying and at least the shadow bug has been hitting quite a lot of people15:29
slangaseksorry, I assumed it was not-fixed-in-quantal, like most of the ones remaining15:29
slangasekyes, that sounds good15:29
slangasekas for the rest of the bugs... if you have a .1 bug assigned to you, please get the fix in BEFORE next Thursday15:29
slangasekor speak up now if you think you're not going to make that deadline15:30
xnoxslangasek: is this deadline for: upload, accepted, or copied into -updates?15:30
stgraberupload, ideally accepted15:30
jodhslangasek: no guarantees on a fix for bug 980917 at this stage. I'll keep prodding though.15:31
slangasekyes - and definitely not the last15:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 980917 in upstart (Ubuntu Precise) "Failed to create pty - disabling logging for job" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98091715:31
stgraberwe have an extra couple of weeks for veriyfying the fixes and getting them to -updates after that15:31
slangasekjodh: understood15:31
xnoxwell. I don't know what's up with e2fsprogs. mdadm bugs should be ok.15:31
* slangasek nods15:32
stgraberI have two bugs that won't make it by next Thursday but that's on purpose as these will be pushed through -security at the last minute15:32
slangasekstgraber: anything else?15:33
xnoxslangasek: i am guessing these deadlines are for stuff on the cd, e.g. do we have any multi-arch bugs pending from stokachu ?15:34
slangasekyes, these are the deadlines for images15:34
slangasekI think the multiarch bugs are the ones stgraber already covered15:34
stgraberslangasek: nope, that's it for 12.04.115:34
slangasekstgraber: great, thanks for the update!15:35
slangasek[TOPIC] Bugs15:35
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slangasekbdmurray: how about in quantal?15:35
stgraberslangasek: right, 4 multi-arch bugs are still pending, starting to wonder if they'll make it at all (still no rdepends rebuild test) ...15:35
xnoxstgraber: hmm.. i have a cloud to do rdepends rebuild. What is needed? can be done very quickly.15:36
bdmurraybug 1022629 and 1024861 look like a recurrance of bug 54159515:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1022629 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "package libdbusmenu-glib4 0.6.2-0ubuntu0.1 failed to install/upgrade: package libdbusmenu-glib4 is already installed and configured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102262915:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1024861 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "package language-pack-en 1:12.04+20120618 failed to install/upgrade: package language-pack-en is already installed and configured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102486115:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 541595 in dpkg "[Master] package failed to install/upgrade: package is already installed and configured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54159515:36
stgraberxnox: rdepends rebuild using the packages in bugs 977947, 977952, 932860, 859600 (so, the usual, uploading the new library, waiting for it to build+publish, then upload no-change-rebuilds of all the rdepends and check that they still all build)15:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 932860 in appmenu-gtk (Ubuntu Precise) "Broken (or missing) multiarch support" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93286015:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 977952 in libbonoboui (Ubuntu Precise) "Please transition libbonoboui to multi-arch" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97795215:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 977947 in libbonobo (Ubuntu Precise) "Please transition libbonobo to multi-arch" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97794715:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 859600 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu Precise) "Please convert gnome-keyring to multiarch" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85960015:37
xnoxstgraber: ok. I can do that.15:38
slangasekxnox: thanks :)15:38
xnoxnice smallish rebuild test with a small amount of packages (as in, not the whole archive ;-) just a bit of it )15:38
stgraberxnox: cool. If you do, let arges and stokachu know so you don't end up duplicating the work :)15:38
slangasekbdmurray: the logs in bug #1024861 don't give much to go on15:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1024861 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "package language-pack-en 1:12.04+20120618 failed to install/upgrade: package language-pack-en is already installed and configured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102486115:39
slangaseknor does bug #1022629, really15:40
bdmurrayslangasek: what more do we need?  I suspect there are a lot of these15:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1022629 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "package libdbusmenu-glib4 0.6.2-0ubuntu0.1 failed to install/upgrade: package libdbusmenu-glib4 is already installed and configured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102262915:40
slangasekbdmurray: well, the dpkg term log just looks truncated to me15:40
slangasekthough maybe I'm just wishing it were truncated15:41
bdmurraywell apport does truncate it to the last activity15:41
slangasekso I suspect that we may only be seeing logs from a "cleanup" run after some other failure15:42
slangasekand that we might need to know the nature of the original failure to understand the bug15:42
bdmurrayokay, I'll ask for /var/log/apt/term.log then15:42
slangasekgreat, thanks15:43
slangasekanything else?15:43
bdmurraynope, things are getting resolved pretty quickly15:44
slangasekexcellent :)15:44
slangasek[TOPIC] AOB15:44
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slangasekgoing once...15:45
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slangasekthanks all!15:45
barrythanks!15:45
stgraberthanks!15:45
jodhthanks!15:46
xnoxcheers15:46
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phillw#startmeeting Lubuntu Weekly Meeting20:07
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phillwhi, can we have a show of hands as to who is here20:08
giliro/20:08
Unit193\o/20:08
phillwhmm, should be a short meeting, then!20:09
gilir:-)20:09
phillw#topic Update from Julien for 12.1020:09
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phillwCan you bring us up to date on 12.10, please gilir20:10
gilirlet me 1 min to find the link :)20:10
phillwnp20:10
gilirhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Alpha3#Lubuntu20:11
gilirso, most of the features have landed between A2 and A320:11
gilirsession manager had big modifications, but it should behave like the old one20:12
giliras long as you don't enable the new features in the conf file, it should be just the same20:12
gilirthe plan is to test them in this cycle, and build a nice GUI for the next cycle, to expose the new features20:13
gilirwith this, pcmanfm was updated, and should be more stable now20:14
gilirthis is 2 main changes that need to be tested20:14
phillwthanks, is there any documentation for the session manager?20:14
gilirthere is also an update of the artwork (smaller than previous update)20:15
gilirthere is a desktop.conf.example file in the package20:15
phillwthanks20:15
giliryou can also find it in lxde git20:15
gilirhttp://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lxde/lxsession;a=blob;f=data/desktop.conf.example;h=5d6bbbb9eee697a9200792f39793d854243c0833;hb=HEAD20:16
gilirexcept for the icons theme which is coming, the A3 should be close to the final release for the features20:17
gilirany questions ?20:17
phillwit's looking really good :)20:17
phillw#topic Update from QA Testing.20:19
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phillwThe good news is that there are no show-stopper bugs in the A320:19
gilircool :-)20:19
phillwhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/226/builds has the list of niggles found by the testers.20:20
phillwJust waiting on Lars to complete the suite for AMD64 + Mac20:20
phillwIt was a curtailed test period (again), but we're good for a3 release :)20:21
phillwfor the record, the bugs found are:20:21
phillwbug 100767420:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1007674 in linux (Ubuntu) "Panel volume slider does not respond" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100767420:21
phillwbug 100989620:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1009896 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu Alternate and Desktop images exceed 700MB" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100989620:22
phillwbug 96730820:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 967308 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Sync slideshow apps with Ubuntu : Mention Gnote or Zim in the slideshow" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96730820:22
gilirthere is still a big oversize for every ISO, I'm not sure what is the real cause20:23
gilirthe slideshow was not uploaded yet, but most of the changes are already done and ready for upload20:23
phillwHmm, it does cause issues for the testers for powerpc. But they seem to have adapted.20:23
phillwdoes powerpc still have both browsers installed?20:24
gilirphillw, probably, but the change is done, just need to be uploaded20:24
gilirI can do it just after A320:25
phillwokies, not sure how much over sized they currently are.20:25
gilirsorry, I was a bit late on this one :-(20:25
phillwit's okay. I know that the 'main' archs have to take priority of your scarce time.20:25
phillwIt does rather seem that Lubuntu will be the only one flying the flag for PPC macs from now on. (So, no presuure then :P ).20:26
gilir:-)20:27
phillwkubuntu may do one, if they have time. Xubuntu are not doing & I think Ubuntu is too 'big' for powerpc computers20:27
phillwTo have only a couple of niggles at A3 is a testament to the hard work of the dev team. You've produced a nice stable system again :)20:28
phillwI'd also like to note that the testers have, once again, been outstanding in getting bugs reported & following them up with more information when requested.20:29
phillw#topic Any Other Business20:30
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phillwUnit193: you did mention something in the -ot channel. Do you want to repeat it here?20:30
Unit193They were going to sync all the access lists flags, so where some ops have +r and some don't, all would or would not.20:31
Unit193There was also syncing with launchpad goups.20:31
Unit193groups.20:31
phillwanyone else have something to raise?20:33
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gilirthanks phillw :-)20:34
phillwThanks for making the time gilir - much appreciated.20:34
Unit193Danke.20:34
Unit193And I wonder what I forgot so far...20:34
phillwhe he, gilir is it okay to schedule a meeting just before Beta 1 goes out in the wild?20:35
Unit193Also, if you wouldn't mind updating the Fridge calendar?20:36

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