[12:02] <head_victim> Evening all, Membership board meeting about to begin
[12:02] <cjohnston> morning
[12:02] <Pendulum> hiya :)
[12:02] <cyphermox> hey
[12:03] <micahg> hi
[12:03] <cyphermox> #startmeeting 1200 UTC Ubuntu Membership Board
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[12:04] <cyphermox> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the 1200 UTC meeting for July 25, 2012. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[12:04] <cyphermox> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[12:04] <cyphermox> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[12:04] <cyphermox> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[12:04] <cyphermox> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[12:04] <cyphermox> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[12:05] <cyphermox> #voters cyphermox Pendulum head_victim micahg Destine
[12:05] <meetingology> Current voters: Destine Pendulum cyphermox head_victim micahg
[12:05] <cyphermox> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[12:06] <cyphermox> #subtopic Howard Chan
[12:06] <cyphermox> #link https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw
[12:06] <cyphermox> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/smartboyhw
[12:06] <cyphermox> smartboyhw: please introduce yourself :)
[12:08] <cyphermox> smartboyhw: you around?
[12:11] <head_victim> Hmm appears absent
[12:12] <cyphermox> yup
[12:12] <Destine> any other applicant?
[12:12] <cyphermox> s9iper1 doesn't appear to be on either, sadly
[12:12] <smartboyhw> Hi
[12:12] <smartboyhw> Sorry, can't get it work
[12:12] <head_victim> Working now :)
[12:13] <smartboyhw> I'm a Ubuntu tester, helped in Alpha 2 and Daily Builds, I'm a real advanced user of Ubuntu, so Hello
[12:13] <Destine> smartboyhw, good, nice to meet you.
[12:13] <smartboyhw> When I mean Alpha 2 builds I mean 12.10
[12:14] <Destine> smartboyhw, yes, please go on.
[12:14] <smartboyhw> What should I say, then
[12:14] <smartboyhw> I am really looking forward to help the Ubuntu community
[12:14] <smartboyhw> Testing new builds and get the ISO's free of bugs
[12:15] <head_victim> smartboyhw: so my first question, how long have you been testing Ubuntu for and what aspect of testing have your contributed to?
[12:16] <head_victim> Your LP profile doesn't show a lot of bug activity so curious to learn more about testing
[12:16] <smartboyhw> I've been testing it since the first builds of 12.10 and I test about ISOs
[12:16] <smartboyhw> Try to see if there's any bug
[12:16] <smartboyhw> In the ISO QA Tracker
[12:17] <smartboyhw> I can provide a email that proves I
[12:17] <Destine> smartboyhw, i don't really see any bugs you reported through LP.
[12:17] <smartboyhw> The problem is, I don't find any bugs
[12:17] <smartboyhw> Strange, but I always got it no problem
[12:18] <Destine> smartboyhw, so despite the testing, what else do you do to contribute?
[12:18] <smartboyhw> I translated a few lines for Ubuntu
[12:18] <smartboyhw> Got some Karma
[12:18] <smartboyhw> In Traditional Chinese (Hong Kong)
[12:19] <head_victim> smartboyhw: is there anyone in the testing community that can vouch for your "significant and sustained contribution to Ubuntu" as required by the membership application?
[12:20] <smartboyhw> Here I don't know, but Nicholas Skaggs, the leader of ubuntu iso testing, ca n prove
[12:20] <smartboyhw> I have an e-mail
[12:20] <smartboyhw> Want that?
[12:21] <Destine> smartboyhw, can you please invite him here?
[12:21] <cyphermox> balloons: ?
[12:21] <cyphermox> ^
[12:22] <smartboyhw> Er, I don't know, I need to send an e-mail
[12:22] <smartboyhw> Which he may not see till sometime
[12:23] <smartboyhw> Maybe I really should send the email that proved I've contributed in the ISO testing of 12.10 Alpha 2
[12:23] <smartboyhw> To you guys
[12:24] <Destine> smartboyhw, we lookd for sustained contributions, no single email can prove that.
[12:24] <head_victim> smartboyhw: the problem we have is without being involved in QA ourselves we have no way to judge your contribution. We're thinking we should ask you to reapply next month with some signed testimonials of other QA testors that could state your level and length of involvement.
[12:24] <smartboyhw> WHAT???
[12:25] <Pendulum> smartboyhw: as a guideline, we generally look for a minimum 6 month involvement
[12:25] <Pendulum> smartboyhw: why do you want to be an Ubuntu member?
[12:25] <smartboyhw> I want to contribute more to the community
[12:25] <smartboyhw> Helping out
[12:25] <Destine> smartboyhw, ubuntu member is a reward.
[12:25] <smartboyhw> And I really wish to be a good Ubuntu comtributor
[12:25] <cyphermox> smartboyhw: What we're looking for is really *sustained and significant* contribution to Ubuntu; which is given as a kind of recognition of having done things in the community; you don't need it to contribute :)
[12:25] <head_victim> smartboyhw: Ubuntu membership is recognition of significant and sustained contributions, it's not permission to contribute. The contribution comes first.
[12:26] <smartboyhw> I know that is a reward
[12:26] <Destine> smartboyhw, to those who have already contributed enough.
[12:26] <smartboyhw> I think I had
[12:27] <Destine> smartboyhw, you did contribute, but not enough.
[12:27] <smartboyhw> Why?
[12:27] <cyphermox> smartboyhw: we think you should come back once you've done a bit more; and it would help a lot if you also had people who can vouch for what you
[12:27] <cyphermox> you've done
[12:28] <cyphermox> also, have you spoken and gotten involved with a LoCo team in your location?
[12:28] <smartboyhw> I have applied to join, but I think the team's dead
[12:28] <Pendulum> smartboyhw: we think you're doing good contributions, but you haven't being doing work for a sustained time period. We also look for testimonials from people you've worked with.
[12:28] <cyphermox> fair enough
[12:28] <smartboyhw> The HongKong LoCo Team
[12:28] <cyphermox> smartboyhw: reviving the team is one of the things you might want to try.
[12:29] <smartboyhw> Yeah, but I didn't get apporval to join from the leader
[12:29] <smartboyhw> So I can't revive
[12:29] <smartboyhw> I want to, but....
[12:29] <smartboyhw> The team leader didn't reply
[12:29] <Destine> smartboyhw, you might want to contact other members in the LoCo.
[12:29] <smartboyhw> Requested to join in Launchpad
[12:30] <cyphermox> I see
[12:30] <smartboyhw> Poor me, I'm crying now
[12:30] <smartboyhw> No one to support me, no Loco Team
[12:30] <cyphermox> have you only done the request to join or have you also sent an email, they might have missed the launchpad email
[12:30] <Pendulum> smartboyhw: if you really can't find the people who are already members of the LoCo, you may want to talk to the LoCo Council to see if they can help you at all.
[12:31] <smartboyhw> Okay, thanks
[12:31] <cyphermox> it's all good -- we appreciate the work you've done; we just think you should keep doing more and come back in a little while
[12:31] <smartboyhw> The question: How little while?
[12:31] <Destine> smartboyhw, maybe you can send me a email, i happen to know people who are involved in HK.
[12:32] <smartboyhw> What's your e-mail?
[12:32] <cyphermox> it depends. keep working on ISO testing for the release, then after release may be a good time; for instance if other iso testers or Nicholas can vouch for the work.
[12:33] <smartboyhw> Yeah, I'll be back after Final release
[12:33] <smartboyhw> Wait for me
[12:33] <smartboyhw> I failed
[12:34] <cyphermox> just don't hesitate to contribute where you can; iso testing isn't necessarily the only thing you may want to touch :)
[12:34] <Destine> smartboyhw, you are always welcome.
[12:34] <cyphermox> asking for help and asking people to write testimonials on your wiki page is always good, too
[12:34] <smartboyhw> Yeah, if Nicholas didn't get me a testimonial, I'll be dead
[12:34] <head_victim> smartboyhw: I had a bit of alook around, you might be able to join in with some locals - http://ubuntu.opensource.hk/
[12:35] <cyphermox> We still don't have any other applicants online, so let's wrap this up.
[12:35] <cyphermox> #endmeeting
[12:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jul 25 12:35:18 2012 UTC.
[12:35] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-25-12.03.moin.txt
[12:35] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-25-12.03.html
[12:35] <smartboyhw> leave
[15:00]  * slangasek waves
[15:00]  * stgraber waves
[15:00]  * barry o/
[15:00]  * xnox is here =)
[15:01] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jul 25 15:01:35 2012 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:01] <slangasek> #topic lightning round
[15:01] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[15:01] <slangasek> barry slangasek infinity stgraber xnox ogra doko jodh cjwatson ev bdmurray stokachu
[15:01] <barry> win!
[15:02] <barry> bug 1020980; worked a bit on the pykde4 port for py3; mostly working on the xapian py3 port using both cython and swig.  not going so well - fighting many problems at all layers.  todo: probably time to move on.  done.
[15:04] <slangasek>  * last week: lots of work on UEFI at the plugfest
[15:04] <slangasek>  * this week: new upload of efilinux package, fixing bugs identified through UEFI interop testing; playing email catchup; A3 steering
[15:04] <slangasek> (done)
[15:04] <slangasek> no infinity, so stgraber:
[15:05] <stgraber> - Containers
[15:05] <stgraber>  - updated python binding for getkeys(), made set_config_item and get_config_item more clever
[15:05] <stgraber>  - implemented network config API (Container.network[index].key)
[15:05] <stgraber> - Networking
[15:05] <stgraber>  - Submitted IPv6 testing scripts to QA
[15:05] <stgraber>  - Found an isc-dhcp bug during alpha3 testing (apparmor preventing isc-dhcp-server from starting), fixed in time for a3
[15:05] <stgraber> - 12.04.1
[15:05] <stgraber>  - 12.04.1 team meeting and minutes
[15:05] <stgraber>  - Went through all the targeted/milestoned bugs for 12.04.1, updated status based on comments and queue status.
[15:05] <stgraber>  - Verified a bunch of SRUs.
[15:05] <stgraber>  - Uploaded a few more SRUs for bugs targeted to the point release (libxslt, sysvinit, krb5, resolvconf)
[15:06] <stgraber> - Image based system
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Started working on a proof of concept for foundations-q-image-based-updates
[15:06] <stgraber> - Queuebot
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Implemented packageset tracking in queuebot.
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Implemented per-channel filters, allowing packageset/queue/tracker notifications for flavours to be sent to their channel.
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Some performance and resource consumption improvements.
[15:06] <stgraber> - Other
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Alpha 3
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Bugfixes to sru-report to stop crashing on private bugs.
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Some ARB app review, the app showdown made the ARB New queue reach 140 packages... Still 50 to review...
[15:06] <stgraber> - TODO this week
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Continue the work on 12.04.1.
[15:06] <stgraber>  - Get a working proof of concept for foundations-q-image-based-updates allowing booting from multiple wubi images with a shared /home.
[15:06] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:07] <xnox> * re-uploaded mdadm SRU, pending re-review from slangasek
[15:07] <xnox> * finished LUKS encryption design with mpt
[15:07] <xnox> * good progress on manual RAID design with mpt (last remaining design item)
[15:07] <xnox> * see Ubiquity Specification linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity
[15:07] <xnox> * Automatic LVM support merge into Ubiquity.
[15:07] <xnox> * Automatic Full-Disk encryption is almost ready locally, will
[15:07] <xnox>   make a merge proposal soon (coding/design done, testing/finding
[15:07] <xnox>   bugs now)
[15:07] <xnox> * Increased available limits on HpCloud for my account.
[15:07] <xnox> * Created a basic juju charm for Luca's cloud-scripts for full-archive rebuilds.
[15:07] <xnox> * I will be running ubuntu full archive rebuild probably this weekend.
[15:07] <xnox> * After that the small plan is to run:
[15:07] <xnox> - rebuild, upload the debs into a temprorary archive & rebuild
[15:07] <xnox>   the temporary archive using it's debs, to exercise the rebuild
[15:07] <xnox>   code
[15:07] <xnox> - rebuild with clang
[15:07] <xnox> - rebuild with python3.3 (if available)
[15:07] <xnox> * Went do debconf & delivered sponsors thank you bag to England:
[15:07] <slangasek> xnox: yep, re-reviewing on my list for this week
[15:07] <xnox> - awesome talks about ARM, multi-arch, clang, d-i & partman
[15:08] <xnox> - good discussions about archive rebuilds with wookey,doko
[15:08] <xnox> - progress on mdadm SRU, thanks to slangasek and infinity
[15:08] <xnox> slangasek: ;-) it will make stgraber happy if it gets accepted.
[15:08] <stgraber> I'm sure I'm not the only one being concerned that you own 10% of the 12.04.1 bugs ;)
[15:09] <slangasek> heh
[15:09] <ogra_> .. ?
[15:09] <xnox> ..
[15:09] <ogra_> done:
[15:09] <ogra_> * made arm server alternate work ... (sadly the switch to squashfs broke them again)
[15:09] <ogra_> * dug around in netinst breakage, at least these images work fine
[15:09] <ogra_> * repeated image tests of all arm images i have HW for (everything but mx5)
[15:09] <ogra_> todo:
[15:09] <ogra_> * QA sprint next week
[15:09] <ogra_> * fix remaining image and flash-kernel issues like:
[15:09] <ogra_> * bug 1028905
[15:09] <ogra_> * bug 746137
[15:09] <ogra_> * bug 1026780
[15:09] <ogra_> ..
[15:10] <jodh> For infinity (if he reads the scrollback now ;)...
[15:10] <jodh>  
[15:10] <jodh> в Ўв Җв ғв •в •в һв Ңв Ҙв Ҹв Һв һв Ғв —в һв ұв Җв Һв һв Ғв һв ‘в Ӣв Ҙв Үв Җв —в ‘в Өв ‘в ӯв ‘в үв ұ
[15:10] <jodh> в Җв Җв Өв Җв ғв Үв •в үв …в ‘в ҷв Җв •в ғв ҡв ‘в үв һв Җв Һв ‘в —в Ҡв Ғв Үв Ҡв Һв Ғв һв Ҡв •в қв Ңв ҷв ‘в Һв ‘в —в Ҡв Ғв Үв Ҡв Һв Ғв һв Ҡв •в қв Җв қв •в әв Җв ”в ”в ©в Җв ҷв •в қв ‘в Ё
[15:10] <jodh> в Җв Җв Өв Җв үв Ғв қв Җв қв •в әв Җв Һв ‘в —в Ҡв Ғв Үв Ҡв Һв ‘в Җв Ғв қв ҷв Җв ҷв ‘в Һв ‘в —в Ҡв Ғв Үв Ҡв Һв ‘в Җв ҷв ғв Ҙв Һв Җв Қв ‘в Һв Һв Ғв ӣв ‘в Һв Ё
[15:10] <jodh> в Җв Җв Өв Җв қв ‘в ӯв һв Җв Һв һв Ғв ӣв ‘в Һв ұ
[15:10] <jodh> в Җв Җв Җв Җв Өв Җв Қв •в ҷв Ҡв Ӣв Ҫв Җв ‘в қв Ҙв Қв Җв “в Ғв қв ҷв Үв Ҡв қв ӣв Җв һв •в Җв “в Ғв қв ҷв Үв ‘в Җв ‘в қв Ҙв Қв Җв үв “в Ғв қв ӣв ‘в Һв Ё
[15:10] <jodh> в Җв Җв Җв Җв Өв Җв “в Ғв қв ҷв Үв ‘в Җв Ҹв һв —в Ғв үв ‘в ҷв Җв ҡв •в ғв Һв Ё
[15:10] <slangasek> infinity's not on the channel... :)
[15:10] <jodh> в Җв Җв Җв Җв Өв Җв үв •в қв Һв Ҡв ҷв ‘в —в Җв —в ‘в Өв ‘в ӯв ‘в үв Җв Һв үв ‘в қв Ғв —в Ҡв •в Һв Ё
[15:10] <jodh> в Җв Җв Җв Җв Өв Җв Ғв ҷв ҷв Җв Қв ‘в һв Ғв Өв “в ‘в Ғв ҷв ‘в —в Ё
[15:10] <slangasek> also: ahhhwhat
[15:10] <jodh> в Җв Җв Өв Җв ғв Ҙв ӣв Җв ”в Ұв ҙв ”в Ӯв ¶в ұв Җв үв •в қв һв Ҡв қв Ҙв Ҡв қв ӣв Җв Ҡв қв §в ‘в Һв һв Ҡв ӣв Ғв һв Ҡв •в қв Һв Ё
[15:10] <jodh> в Ўв Җв Қв Ҡв Һв үв ұв Җв •в қв Җв “в •в Үв Ҡв ҷв Ғв Ҫв Җв һв Ҙв ‘в Һв ҷв Ғв Ҫв Ё
[15:10] <jodh> бЈ«
[15:10] <jodh>  
[15:11] <jodh> For those that don't do "tetris" (tm) ...
[15:11] <jodh>  
[15:11] <jodh> * boot/upstart: stateful re-exec:
[15:11] <jodh>   - blocked object serialisation/deserialisation now 99% done.
[15:11] <slangasek> oh, braille
[15:11] <jodh>   - can now serialise and deserialise dbus messages.
[15:11] <jodh>   - next stages:
[15:11] <jodh>     - modify enum handling to handle enum changes.
[15:11] <jodh>     - handle ptraced jobs.
[15:11] <jodh>     - consider re-exec scenarios.
[15:11] <jodh>     - add meta-header.
[15:11] <jodh>   - bug 980917: continuing investigations.
[15:11] <jodh> * misc: on holiday Tuesday.
[15:11] <jodh> бЈ«
[15:11] <jodh>  
[15:11] <jodh> slangasek: hence the scrollback comment ;)
[15:11] <slangasek> jodh: no, he's not connected to the channel
[15:12] <slangasek> so he won't have scrollback to see it in :)
[15:12] <jodh> oh well - he'll have to read it on irclogs :)
[15:12] <ogra_> poor boy missing all the barille fun
[15:12] <bdmurray> wrote a test case for SRU of bug 1006633 for precise and realized code was wrong
[15:12] <bdmurray> wrote and tested a new fix for bug 1006633 for quantal and precise
[15:12] <bdmurray> wrote, tested and uploaded a fix for bug 1007637 regarding blocking package installation failures
[15:12] <bdmurray> setup rls-mgr and qa team reports on cranberry as ubuntureports
[15:12] <bdmurray> removed code to create reports being made by arsenal from the ubuntu-reports branch
[15:12] <bdmurray> patch pilot
[15:12] <bdmurray> uploaded kerneloops that disables it due to crashers when trying to run the daemon
[15:12] <bdmurray> fixed gnuplot scripts that run on lillypilly and create pkgstats graphs
[15:12] <bdmurray> modify ultimate debian database code to mark same title bugs as duplicates
[15:13] <slangasek> yay test cases :)
[15:13] <slangasek> does "ubuntureports" mean urls are changing?
[15:14] <bdmurray> slangasek: no, just a different user that multiple people can su to and emails regarding cronjobs
[15:14] <slangasek> ok
[15:14] <slangasek> (done)?
[15:14] <bdmurray> yes, done
[15:15] <slangasek> stokachu: hi, anything to add this week?
[15:16] <slangasek> sounds like no
[15:16] <slangasek> moving on
[15:16] <slangasek> [TOPIC] 12.04.1
[15:16] <slangasek> stgraber: you have the floor :)
[15:16] <stgraber> yay!
[15:16] <stgraber> Full bug list can be found at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=49926
[15:16] <stgraber> I went through the upload queue and updated the status of these bugs to In-progress so that I can get a better idea of what's going on.
[15:16] <stgraber> The biggest foundation-related SRU currently in the queue is mdadm, fixing one critical bug and 7 others but it's quite large and hasn't been reviewed yet.
[15:16] <stgraber> The list below is for any remaining foundation-related issue that's not marked "In progress" (waiting in unapproved) or "Fix commited" (currently in -proposed).
[15:16] <stgraber> We went from 33 bugs in last week's meeting down to 16 this week (granted, marking all of xnox's as in-progress helped quite a bit ;)!
[15:17] <stgraber> so, now to what's left to do:
[15:17] <stgraber> Package management: bug 1017001, bug 926340, bug 924079
[15:17] <stgraber> the first one is assigned to mvo but he's having a hard time trying to reproduce it, so not much progress was done on it
[15:18]  * slangasek nods
[15:18] <stgraber> Filesystem bugs: bug 978012
[15:18] <stgraber> this one was in the queue last week IIRC but isn't anymore, what happened?
[15:18] <stgraber> xnox: ?
[15:18] <xnox> this one, infinity rejected the upload. and said that he will discuss it with me tomorrow.
[15:18] <stgraber> ok
[15:19] <stgraber> Installer: bug 991982 (private, assigned to me), bug 484252, bug 946406, bug 966480, bug 987411
[15:19] <slangasek> bdmurray: are we much closer to being able to have apt clone attachments stay around again?  probably too late to do any good for bug #1017001 in .1, but seems the shortest path to getting that fixed regardless
[15:19] <stgraber> and bug 992061
[15:20] <stgraber> if we can't have bug 1017001 fixed for .1, we really should have a way to get apt-clones of these systems at least. I'm expecting quite a few of them to hit that failure as people start upgrading
[15:20] <bdmurray> slangasek: I think it is in the -proposed queue
[15:21] <slangasek> ah
[15:21] <stgraber> the casper bugs are quite racy, I spent most of Monday trying to reproduce them without much luck... asked for some more details but at this pace it seems less and less likely to be fixed for the point release
[15:21] <slangasek> bdmurray: apport/2.0.1-0ubuntu12?
[15:22] <bdmurray> slangasek: no, actually not as it needs a new apt-clone too
[15:22] <slangasek> bdmurray: ok
[15:22] <slangasek> bdmurray: can you make that a priority for this week?
[15:22] <bdmurray> slangasek: yes
[15:23] <slangasek> ta
[15:23] <stgraber> Boot: bug 980917
[15:23] <stgraber> Multi-arch (being worked on by stokachu and arges): bug 977947, bug 977952, bug 932860, bug 859600
[15:23] <stgraber> waiting on rdepends rebuild for these
[15:23] <stgraber> Other core packages: bug 523896
[15:24] <stgraber> on that list, the following bugs are currently unassigned (assigned to the team): bug 924079, bug 992061, bug 523896
[15:24] <bdmurray> slangasek: actually its update-manager and apt-clone that need uploading and there is currently an update-manager in precise-proposed that needs verifying
[15:24] <slangasek> can anyone here help with that update-manager verification?
[15:25] <slangasek> stgraber: when does the freeze for .1 go into effect?  End of the month?
[15:25] <stgraber> slangasek: 2nd of August
[15:26] <slangasek> ah, a thursday freeze :)
[15:26] <jibel_> bdmurray, u-m bug number that need verification ?
[15:26] <slangasek> so we have just over a week for uploads
[15:26] <bdmurray> jibel_: bug 1002956
[15:26] <jibel_> ta
[15:26] <slangasek> stgraber: I think the bugs that are not yet assigned to anyone need to be un-milestoned then
[15:26] <bdmurray> jibel_: and bug 979661 though it has no specific test case
[15:26] <slangasek> I don't think it's realistic that they're going to get fixes in the next week
[15:27] <stgraber> jibel_: the other bug in that SRU is a race condition, so not really verifyable, regression testing is good enough for that (I'd count the test of bug 1002956 as regression testing for bug 979661)
[15:27] <jibel_> ok, I'll do the verification
[15:28] <bdmurray> jibel_: great, thanks!
[15:28] <stgraber> slangasek: usb-creator was fixed in quantal, I'll assign it to me to look for a cherry-pick.
[15:28] <slangasek> stgraber: ah, great
[15:29] <stgraber> slangasek: the two others, I'll bump to .2 as they seem rather annoying and at least the shadow bug has been hitting quite a lot of people
[15:29] <slangasek> sorry, I assumed it was not-fixed-in-quantal, like most of the ones remaining
[15:29] <slangasek> yes, that sounds good
[15:29] <slangasek> as for the rest of the bugs... if you have a .1 bug assigned to you, please get the fix in BEFORE next Thursday
[15:30] <slangasek> or speak up now if you think you're not going to make that deadline
[15:30] <xnox> slangasek: is this deadline for: upload, accepted, or copied into -updates?
[15:30] <stgraber> upload, ideally accepted
[15:31] <jodh> slangasek: no guarantees on a fix for bug 980917 at this stage. I'll keep prodding though.
[15:31] <slangasek> yes - and definitely not the last
[15:31] <stgraber> we have an extra couple of weeks for veriyfying the fixes and getting them to -updates after that
[15:31] <slangasek> jodh: understood
[15:31] <xnox> well. I don't know what's up with e2fsprogs. mdadm bugs should be ok.
[15:32]  * slangasek nods
[15:32] <stgraber> I have two bugs that won't make it by next Thursday but that's on purpose as these will be pushed through -security at the last minute
[15:33] <slangasek> stgraber: anything else?
[15:34] <xnox> slangasek: i am guessing these deadlines are for stuff on the cd, e.g. do we have any multi-arch bugs pending from stokachu ?
[15:34] <slangasek> yes, these are the deadlines for images
[15:34] <slangasek> I think the multiarch bugs are the ones stgraber already covered
[15:34] <stgraber> slangasek: nope, that's it for 12.04.1
[15:35] <slangasek> stgraber: great, thanks for the update!
[15:35] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:35] <slangasek> bdmurray: how about in quantal?
[15:35] <stgraber> slangasek: right, 4 multi-arch bugs are still pending, starting to wonder if they'll make it at all (still no rdepends rebuild test) ...
[15:36] <xnox> stgraber: hmm.. i have a cloud to do rdepends rebuild. What is needed? can be done very quickly.
[15:36] <bdmurray> bug 1022629 and 1024861 look like a recurrance of bug 541595
[15:37] <stgraber> xnox: rdepends rebuild using the packages in bugs 977947, 977952, 932860, 859600 (so, the usual, uploading the new library, waiting for it to build+publish, then upload no-change-rebuilds of all the rdepends and check that they still all build)
[15:38] <xnox> stgraber: ok. I can do that.
[15:38] <slangasek> xnox: thanks :)
[15:38] <xnox> nice smallish rebuild test with a small amount of packages (as in, not the whole archive ;-) just a bit of it )
[15:38] <stgraber> xnox: cool. If you do, let arges and stokachu know so you don't end up duplicating the work :)
[15:39] <slangasek> bdmurray: the logs in bug #1024861 don't give much to go on
[15:40] <slangasek> nor does bug #1022629, really
[15:40] <bdmurray> slangasek: what more do we need?  I suspect there are a lot of these
[15:40] <slangasek> bdmurray: well, the dpkg term log just looks truncated to me
[15:41] <slangasek> though maybe I'm just wishing it were truncated
[15:41] <bdmurray> well apport does truncate it to the last activity
[15:42] <slangasek> so I suspect that we may only be seeing logs from a "cleanup" run after some other failure
[15:42] <slangasek> and that we might need to know the nature of the original failure to understand the bug
[15:42] <bdmurray> okay, I'll ask for /var/log/apt/term.log then
[15:43] <slangasek> great, thanks
[15:43] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:44] <bdmurray> nope, things are getting resolved pretty quickly
[15:44] <slangasek> excellent :)
[15:44] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:45] <slangasek> going once...
[15:45] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:45] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jul 25 15:45:52 2012 UTC.
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[15:45] <slangasek> thanks all!
[15:45] <barry> thanks!
[15:45] <stgraber> thanks!
[15:46] <jodh> thanks!
[15:46] <xnox> cheers
[15:46] <ogra_> thanks !
[20:07] <phillw> #startmeeting Lubuntu Weekly Meeting
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[20:08] <phillw> hi, can we have a show of hands as to who is here
[20:08] <gilir> o/
[20:08] <Unit193> \o/
[20:09] <phillw> hmm, should be a short meeting, then!
[20:09] <gilir> :-)
[20:09] <phillw> #topic Update from Julien for 12.10
[20:10] <phillw> Can you bring us up to date on 12.10, please gilir
[20:10] <gilir> let me 1 min to find the link :)
[20:10] <phillw> np
[20:11] <gilir> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Alpha3#Lubuntu
[20:11] <gilir> so, most of the features have landed between A2 and A3
[20:12] <gilir> session manager had big modifications, but it should behave like the old one
[20:12] <gilir> as long as you don't enable the new features in the conf file, it should be just the same
[20:13] <gilir> the plan is to test them in this cycle, and build a nice GUI for the next cycle, to expose the new features
[20:14] <gilir> with this, pcmanfm was updated, and should be more stable now
[20:14] <gilir> this is 2 main changes that need to be tested
[20:14] <phillw> thanks, is there any documentation for the session manager?
[20:15] <gilir> there is also an update of the artwork (smaller than previous update)
[20:15] <gilir> there is a desktop.conf.example file in the package
[20:15] <phillw> thanks
[20:15] <gilir> you can also find it in lxde git
[20:16] <gilir> http://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lxde/lxsession;a=blob;f=data/desktop.conf.example;h=5d6bbbb9eee697a9200792f39793d854243c0833;hb=HEAD
[20:17] <gilir> except for the icons theme which is coming, the A3 should be close to the final release for the features
[20:17] <gilir> any questions ?
[20:17] <phillw> it's looking really good :)
[20:19] <phillw> #topic Update from QA Testing.
[20:19] <phillw> The good news is that there are no show-stopper bugs in the A3
[20:19] <gilir> cool :-)
[20:20] <phillw> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/226/builds has the list of niggles found by the testers.
[20:20] <phillw> Just waiting on Lars to complete the suite for AMD64 + Mac
[20:21] <phillw> It was a curtailed test period (again), but we're good for a3 release :)
[20:21] <phillw> for the record, the bugs found are:
[20:21] <phillw> bug 1007674
[20:22] <phillw> bug 1009896
[20:22] <phillw> bug 967308
[20:23] <gilir> there is still a big oversize for every ISO, I'm not sure what is the real cause
[20:23] <gilir> the slideshow was not uploaded yet, but most of the changes are already done and ready for upload
[20:23] <phillw> Hmm, it does cause issues for the testers for powerpc. But they seem to have adapted.
[20:24] <phillw> does powerpc still have both browsers installed?
[20:24] <gilir> phillw, probably, but the change is done, just need to be uploaded
[20:25] <gilir> I can do it just after A3
[20:25] <phillw> okies, not sure how much over sized they currently are.
[20:25] <gilir> sorry, I was a bit late on this one :-(
[20:25] <phillw> it's okay. I know that the 'main' archs have to take priority of your scarce time.
[20:26] <phillw> It does rather seem that Lubuntu will be the only one flying the flag for PPC macs from now on. (So, no presuure then :P ).
[20:27] <gilir> :-)
[20:27] <phillw> kubuntu may do one, if they have time. Xubuntu are not doing & I think Ubuntu is too 'big' for powerpc computers
[20:28] <phillw> To have only a couple of niggles at A3 is a testament to the hard work of the dev team. You've produced a nice stable system again :)
[20:29] <phillw> I'd also like to note that the testers have, once again, been outstanding in getting bugs reported & following them up with more information when requested.
[20:30] <phillw> #topic Any Other Business
[20:30] <phillw> Unit193: you did mention something in the -ot channel. Do you want to repeat it here?
[20:31] <Unit193> They were going to sync all the access lists flags, so where some ops have +r and some don't, all would or would not.
[20:31] <Unit193> There was also syncing with launchpad goups.
[20:31] <Unit193> groups.
[20:33] <phillw> anyone else have something to raise?
[20:34] <phillw> #endmeeting
[20:34] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jul 25 20:34:10 2012 UTC.
[20:34] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-25-20.07.moin.txt
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[20:34] <gilir> thanks phillw :-)
[20:34] <phillw> Thanks for making the time gilir - much appreciated.
[20:34] <Unit193> Danke.
[20:34] <Unit193> And I wonder what I forgot so far...
[20:35] <phillw> he he, gilir is it okay to schedule a meeting just before Beta 1 goes out in the wild?
[20:36] <Unit193> Also, if you wouldn't mind updating the Fridge calendar?