| JamesTait | And then in the morning, when I wake up, sometimes I feel like death warmed up, and then I understand why I need more sleep. | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| christel | bless | 00:02 |
| christel | you are mad <3 | 00:03 |
| JamesTait | I'm aware of this fact, and quite comfortable with it. | 00:05 |
| christel | hehe | 00:05 |
| christel | WELL, i shall go sleep for both of us! you stay up debugging things m'dear <3 | 00:06 |
| JamesTait | Time for a reboot anyway. :) | 00:06 |
| JamesTait | 'night all! | 00:06 |
| JamesTait | Sleep well christel. :) | 00:06 |
| christel | thank you, and yooou! | 00:06 |
| JamesTait | Oh, I will. :) | 00:06 |
| directhex | http://www.l4d.com/coldstream/ | 03:57 |
| christel | gooood morning :) | 06:27 |
| jacobw | morning | 06:40 |
| christel | morning jacobw \o, TheOpenSourcerer \o | 06:45 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | morning all | 06:49 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 06:59 |
| diplo | Morning all | 07:06 |
| brobostigon | morning diplo | 07:07 |
| diplo | How are you this fine morning brobostigon ? | 07:08 |
| diplo | Cycled in this morning \o/ | 07:08 |
| brobostigon | diplo: not so hot, still unwell, but alot to do today, so pain killers and perservierence. and you? | 07:09 |
| diplo | Just a little tired from the cycle, not far but the heat is already a killer out there | 07:10 |
| brobostigon | yes. | 07:10 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | purlese don't complain about it being hot & sunny. | 07:11 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | We don't want to go back to three months of rain now do we? | 07:11 |
| brobostigon | i will complain TheOpenSourcerer, as it wreacks my eczema. | 07:11 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Isn't the humidity good for it? | 07:11 |
| brobostigon | it certains stops it from drying out, yes, but not excessivly like this, because then i sweat, and it becomes very irritated. | 07:12 |
| diplo | TheOpenSourcerer: Not complaining, just saying | 07:15 |
| diplo | I love this weather | 07:15 |
| brobostigon | also, when there is heat like this, my skin tends get more infection. | 07:15 |
| diplo | Apart from watching The Dark Knight last night in cinema with no aircon!!!! | 07:15 |
| christel | i for one am very much welcoming the weather! | 07:17 |
| christel | my tomato plants are most happy \o/ | 07:18 |
| MartijnVdS | Tomato plants are carnivorous | 07:18 |
| MartijnVdS | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/6727709/Tomatoes-can-eat-insects.html | 07:18 |
| christel | ! | 07:18 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Even my chilli plants have started to grow... | 07:18 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | :-D | 07:19 |
| christel | :D | 07:19 |
| MartijnVdS | and it's not even chilly! | 07:19 |
| diplo | christel: Beer and sunbathing the job for today again ? | 07:22 |
| christel | diplo: ah i wish! | 07:22 |
| christel | i think i have to do some Real Work today :( | 07:22 |
| diplo | heh | 07:22 |
| diplo | Main reason I've cycled today is to go out for a huge lunch, cycle 4-5 miles along canal, have lunch and cycle back | 07:22 |
| christel | :D | 07:22 |
| diplo | Maybe a pint or two | 07:23 |
| christel | i approve of this plan! | 07:23 |
| diplo | I've just remembered one flaw in my plan :/ | 07:23 |
| christel | oh no :( | 07:23 |
| diplo | I need to pick my dad up later to take him to get his car from the garage, not sure he'd like my handlebars :D | 07:23 |
| christel | hahaha | 07:23 |
| christel | <3 | 07:23 |
| christel | "oops" | 07:24 |
| * directhex moos | 07:24 | |
| diplo | Blimey, your keen directhex, saw you online at the 4am mark ? | 07:25 |
| diplo | Or was that a wakeup call from the young one ? | 07:25 |
| christel | i might mow the lawn before i start work | 07:25 |
| * diplo really needs his done. | 07:27 | |
| diplo | May force myself to stay at home tonight just to do it. | 07:27 |
| christel | it is one of my least favourite things to do! | 07:28 |
| diplo | And mine! | 07:28 |
| christel | but if i leave it any longer i suspect i'd need a scythe :) | 07:28 |
| diplo | Also need to trim the bushy things | 07:28 |
| christel | ah i got a Man out to trim my hedge and weed my beds the other week.. (because i can't tell the difference between weeds and Good Plants) | 07:28 |
| MartijnVdS | Can anyone confirm this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/1028772 | 07:31 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 1028772 in totem (Ubuntu) "Repeatedly hiding/showing the controls (Ctrl+H) shrinks the video display size" [Undecided,New] | 07:31 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer strimmed and mowed on Saturday :-) Front garden now looks something like this: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/instantupload/5755403322243260578 | 07:31 | |
| MartijnVdS | Repeatedly pressing Ctrl+H while watching a video with totem shrinks the video | 07:31 |
| christel | TheOpenSourcerer: your garden looks most tidy! | 07:33 |
| christel | :) | 07:33 |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: that links to my instantupload pics? | 07:34 |
| MartijnVdS | or maybe I'm not in the right circles :) | 07:34 |
| AlanBell | morning all | 07:34 |
| ali1234 | no it links to my instant upload pics etc | 07:34 |
| christel | MartijnVdS: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wp_yr2_zaD8/T-OI2ACgZuI/AAAAAAAACy8/dTF_kc8HyUo/w497-h373/20120618_080744.jpg try that one | 07:34 |
| MartijnVdS | ooh very tidy | 07:35 |
| christel | mm i am ever so slightly envious | 07:40 |
| christel | my garden is full of TOYS | 07:40 |
| christel | and tall grass... | 07:40 |
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| diplo | MartijnVdS: I had a similar issue, it was because google had logged me out. | 07:49 |
| diplo | Logged in, link worked fine | 07:49 |
| * directhex moos again | 07:50 | |
| MartijnVdS | diplo: I'm still logged in -- I get _my_ private "instant upload" page | 07:52 |
| diplo | yeah, that's odd :/ | 07:54 |
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| czajkowski | aloha | 08:01 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Potentially worrying development http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-inks-patent-deal-with-service-provider-using-linux-servers-7000001498/ Be nice to know what the background to this is? What are the patents? Why did Amdocs roll over and take it like that? | 08:01 |
| directhex | TheOpenSourcerer, naming patents destroys their power | 08:01 |
| directhex | TheOpenSourcerer, the aim is to keep things vague | 08:01 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I agree, but presumably Amdocs didn't just go "Oh we do infringe some of your patents? Sorry. How much do you want then?" | 08:02 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | B&N Argued the toss and ended up getting money from MS! | 08:03 |
| directhex | TheOpenSourcerer, "you could pay patent insurance for £X, or we could tell you which patents in the court filings for 176 x £X, your call" | 08:03 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:05 |
| christel | morning bigcalm :) | 08:05 |
| bigcalm | christel: being greeted by you is a good way to start the day | 08:06 |
| christel | haha | 08:06 |
| christel | <3 | 08:06 |
| * AlanBell is off to the Olympics Opening Ceremony later | 08:07 | |
| jacobw | directhex: patents are like Voldemort? | 08:07 |
| bigcalm | AlanBell: good luck! | 08:08 |
| bigcalm | Something keeps killing mysqld on my bytemark server. But I can't work out what. Nothing in mysql's logs or syslog | 08:09 |
| bigcalm | Anybody with other ideas? | 08:09 |
| DJones | AlanBell: I thought it was Friday | 08:09 |
| directhex | jacobw, yes. worse than that, if you violate a patent unknowingly the penalty legally is X, if you check to see whether you violate any patents first and decide "no" or "yes but i don't care" (there's no legal difference between those two) then it's much higher than X. it's legally safer not to know whether you violate patents | 08:09 |
| AlanBell | DJones: ah, but special people get to go today | 08:09 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | jacobw: Software Patents approved in the USA are mostly stupid. Patents in general are not a bad idea, as long as they really do protect "Inventions" | 08:09 |
| DJones | Heh | 08:09 |
| DJones | AlanBell: So you were the person G4S employed for security | 08:10 |
| jacobw | directhex: /o\ | 08:10 |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 08:10 |
| christel | haha | 08:10 |
| directhex | TheOpenSourcerer, patents are a limited government-granted monopoly. like copyrights, the terms should only be a couple of years in this millennium, not getting longer | 08:11 |
| brobostigon | i think headwear would be a good idea today. | 08:12 |
| diplo | bigcalm: Issue with resources is the only thing I'd have a guess at ? | 08:13 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Pharmaceutical Co.s who spend billions and tens of years developing new drugs are the kind of area where patents are relevant. Not for some blokes idea to make a tablet with rounded corners. | 08:13 |
| bigcalm | diplo: 31GB of space available | 08:14 |
| diplo | I meant mem/cpu | 08:14 |
| popey | morning | 08:14 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lo popey | 08:14 |
| christel | i hate patents, with a passion | 08:14 |
| christel | (though this might be because the ones i come across are ridiculously complicated) | 08:14 |
| * popey might have lunch in the park in farnham today | 08:15 | |
| bigcalm | diplo: mysqld is currently taking 14% of the system's memory, but that's because I've just started it back up | 08:15 |
| bigcalm | Morning popey! | 08:15 |
| popey | TheOpenSourcerer, there's still wifi on the bandstand isnt there? | 08:15 |
| MartijnVdS | If not, there's always 3G | 08:15 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer wonders if there is not a suitable park in Farnborough for popey | 08:15 | |
| popey | nah, its just that the kids are going there | 08:15 |
| popey | thought I'd go along | 08:16 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | popey: I have no idea. Is there? | 08:16 |
| popey | http://www.farnham.gov.uk/life/news/article/325.html | 08:16 |
| diplo | bigcalm: Looked into whether mysql can log it's processes more verbosely ? | 08:16 |
| bigcalm | diplo: server isn't under any real load: 0.02, 0.06, 0.06 | 08:16 |
| diplo | Just having a quick google now | 08:16 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Nice. TY popey | 08:17 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I will remember that. | 08:17 |
| bigcalm | diplo: thing is I never know when it actually dies. It's one of my parents' friends that emails me when their site stops working | 08:17 |
| christel | oh pretty neat, i didn't know that | 08:17 |
| popey | thats one of the reasons we had the geeknic around it at oggcamp | 08:17 |
| diplo | nagios and monitor it? | 08:17 |
| * bigcalm goes to camp in Farnham | 08:17 | |
| christel | hehe | 08:18 |
| bigcalm | diplo: I guess so. Never used nagios before though :) | 08:18 |
| bigcalm | popey: I had no idea about the free wifi for the geeknick. Needs more publicising | 08:19 |
| AlanBell | popey: yes, the free wifi in gostrey meadow works great | 08:20 |
| jacobw | bigcalm: does upstart restart the process? | 08:24 |
| bigcalm | jacobw: it's meant to I guess | 08:25 |
| christel | bah today appears to be one of those days where my mug is leaking.. it keeps being empty :( | 08:28 |
| directhex | Mark Zuckerberg, the man who some believe has done more to erode privacy than anyone else, has been awarded his first ever patent … for privacy. Patent #8,225,376 limits what users reveal online by implementing a privacy policy on their status updates and profile information. | 08:32 |
| directhex | \o/ | 08:32 |
| * daubers wonders if he can patent a method of protecting the revenue stream for commonly implimented technologies | 08:33 | |
| jacobw | hehe | 08:36 |
| diplo | bigcalm: Sorry was on the phone | 08:42 |
| diplo | Can give you a hand if you want to set it up | 08:42 |
| bigcalm | Wow, it doesn't look simple to setup :) | 08:45 |
| diplo | It's actually quite simple tbh | 08:45 |
| diplo | It's just a pain for the first time to look at it :) | 08:45 |
| bigcalm | Ok :) | 08:45 |
| * bigcalm stops googling for howtos | 08:46 | |
| diplo | basically on initial install you will have a localhost.cfg in /etc/nagios/objects ( I think ) | 08:47 |
| diplo | and nagios.cfg in /etc/nagios | 08:47 |
| diplo | So copy localhost and call it mysql-mums.cfg or something | 08:47 |
| freckle | bigcalm: If you are going to start using Nagios then nagstamon is a great little app fpr the desktop | 08:47 |
| diplo | then edit nagios.cfg to load the new cfg | 08:47 |
| bigcalm | freckle: this is for a VPS | 08:47 |
| diplo | And restart nagios | 08:48 |
| diplo | that's about as simple as it needs to be, you can make it a lot more involved :) | 08:48 |
| freckle | bigcalm: yes, it sits on your desktop and alerts you when there is an issue reported by your nagios | 08:48 |
| bigcalm | I see | 08:48 |
| BigRedS | bigcalm: there's also the Nagios firefox plugin | 08:48 |
| BigRedS | I used nagstamon for a bit but it was much more prone to random behaviour than the plugin | 08:49 |
| diplo | Either install nagios nrpe or use check_by_ssh | 08:49 |
| bigcalm | nagios3 from the repositories? | 08:49 |
| BigRedS | also, anag on android seems brilliant | 08:49 |
| diplo | Yep bigcalm | 08:49 |
| bigcalm | Ta | 08:49 |
| diplo | sh-3.2$ /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_by_ssh -H 192.168.1.16 -landy -C uptime | 08:49 |
| diplo | heh | 08:49 |
| * diplo is actually playing atm | 08:50 | |
| freckle | never had an issue with nagstamon | 08:50 |
| freckle | there is a plugin for mysql in nagios.. use it to check status of replication | 08:50 |
| bigcalm | It's just installed samba :| | 08:51 |
| freckle | bigcalm: better to complile from source for that very reason | 08:52 |
| bigcalm | Too late :D | 08:52 |
| diplo | Nooooo don't compile from source! | 08:52 |
| diplo | I really don't understand why people still do, not worth the hassle | 08:53 |
| freckle | diplo: it's callled freedom :) | 08:53 |
| diplo | Thinking of all the services i monitor and all the servers i monitor, I've never bothered with mysql.. guess we haven't had any issues | 08:54 |
| diplo | Yeah, also a PITA :) | 08:54 |
| freckle | diplo: not for me | 08:54 |
| popey | bigcalm, I'd recommend OpsView over nagios | 08:55 |
| freckle | when you have a bunch of mysql with 2 way replication and queries per second in the high 100's you want to monitor | 08:55 |
| diplo | Not compiled anything for everyday use since Qmail for mail server many years ago | 08:55 |
| diplo | yeah that's a different usercase i guess | 08:56 |
| diplo | I would think about it then as well, but generally I'd advise most people to install from repos for stuff like this. | 08:56 |
| * bigcalm grumbles at computers | 08:56 | |
| bigcalm | popey: reasons? | 08:57 |
| popey | easier to configure | 08:57 |
| popey | its based on nagios | 08:57 |
| freckle | you could write your own monitoring system like we did at work with SNMP ;) | 08:58 |
| diplo | Also Icinga, Web2.0 style.. also based on nagios | 08:58 |
| diplo | That's what we used to do before Nagios and something beginning with C that I've forgotten | 08:59 |
| diplo | perl scripts and snmp modules | 08:59 |
| diplo | Centreon | 09:00 |
| BigRedS | "perl scripts and snmp modules" roughly describes Nagios :) | 09:01 |
| diplo | heh, pretty much yeah.. not sure whether we hadn't heard of it or what before | 09:02 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! :) | 09:02 |
| diplo | I suggested Nagios after seeing a supplier and them offering us WhatsUp Gold ? Maybe for like 20k | 09:02 |
| christel | GOOD MORNING JamesTait \o/ | 09:04 |
| oimon | maclaren buggy company won't send me a spare part (a screw) to fix my buggy. the consequence is that i buy a dodgy one off ebay - what's worse? | 09:05 |
| JamesTait | christel: o/ | 09:06 |
| gord | the buggy has a bug? | 09:06 |
| oimon | yes :( | 09:06 |
| christel | :( | 09:07 |
| diplo | Gaffer tape oimon, it fixes all! | 09:07 |
| oimon | they say i have to get it fixed by a repair centre. it's a flipping screw! | 09:07 |
| christel | haha | 09:07 |
| oimon | how can i get to the repair centre without a working buggy | 09:07 |
| diplo | My friends 58 plate S-Max's bumper is held together with it at the moment whilst our MD decides how he wants to procede, now been two months | 09:08 |
| diplo | :D | 09:08 |
| nja | Hello | 09:09 |
| * bigcalm gives up and gets on with work | 09:09 | |
| * nja wonders if people actually speak in this IRC | 09:09 | |
| diplo | nah we are all bots here | 09:10 |
| diplo | Hi nja | 09:10 |
| diplo | :) | 09:10 |
| * BigRedS types | 09:10 | |
| christel | irc is for being quiet ;) | 09:10 |
| BigRedS | actually, of late, that is a lie | 09:10 |
| BigRedS | but sometimes I type | 09:10 |
| diplo | Most of are at work I guess, so responses vary | 09:10 |
| nja | So, what are we all doing? | 09:10 |
| diplo | Working.... sorta kinda like :) | 09:10 |
| nja | suuuuure... "Working" | 09:11 |
| christel | hehe | 09:12 |
| christel | counting down till lunch time! | 09:13 |
| christel | ;) | 09:13 |
| diplo | Well I have about 8 terminals open, it *looks* like I'm working at least + typing into a console for IRC makes it all the more believable | 09:13 |
| christel | ;) | 09:13 |
| diplo | 4 of those terminals are for my own machines doesn't come into it :D | 09:14 |
| nja | So, what happens in Ubuntu UK? | 09:14 |
| christel | sometimes we talk about ubuntu, sometimes we talk about beer, sometimes we drink beer and talk about ubuntu and sometimes we make fun of bigcalm | 09:15 |
| * christel nods | 09:15 | |
| jacobw | diplo: I have to work with WhatsUp Gold | 09:15 |
| nja | @christel sound, erm fun... | 09:15 |
| bigcalm | christel: don't you mean bigclam? | 09:15 |
| christel | bigcalm ;) | 09:16 |
| bigcalm | I should put that on highlight really | 09:16 |
| bigcalm | Just for you, christel :P | 09:16 |
| christel | yes! | 09:16 |
| christel | it is almost christmas, why hasn't AlanBell arranged a christmas do yet! | 09:16 |
| bigcalm | Very good question | 09:16 |
| nja | Does Ubuntu UK do any actual IRL meets, or is it all IRC? | 09:17 |
| gord | don't say it is almost christmas... it just was christmas | 09:17 |
| bigcalm | nja: re recently went on the RAT and drank lots of ale | 09:17 |
| * jacobw processes these statements | 09:17 | |
| bigcalm | About 12 of us in our group | 09:17 |
| christel | nja: we do stuff irl yes -- we always do stuff when its release day and we have random social gatherings (geeknics, pub visits, meals etc) | 09:17 |
| christel | this saturday there's an ubuntu-uk bbq in farnham (surrey) | 09:18 |
| christel | :) | 09:18 |
| nja | :D | 09:18 |
| jacobw | nja: There's also a mailing list and a podcast | 09:18 |
| bigcalm | I wonder if there should be a mini-event in September... | 09:18 |
| nja | What happens in the Aylesbury branch, because that's the only one I can get to. | 09:18 |
| directhex | sadly aylesbury is aylesbury | 09:19 |
| christel | i'm not sure whether there are (m)any social events in bucks tbh -- though i am sure we could do a happy hour there! | 09:19 |
| nja | hmm. OK | 09:19 |
| bigcalm | !opsview | 09:20 |
| bigcalm | !info opsview | 09:20 |
| lubotu3 | Package opsview does not exist in precise | 09:20 |
| bigcalm | :( | 09:20 |
| nja | How do I see what events are coming up? | 09:21 |
| bigcalm | nja: join the mailing list is one option :) | 09:21 |
| christel | http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ will usually also list them | 09:21 |
| bigcalm | nja: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk is another option | 09:21 |
| nja | Ah, that looks legit. | 09:21 |
| bigcalm | More specifically: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk/events | 09:22 |
| bigcalm | Though not all events get posted there for some reason :| | 09:22 |
| AlanBell | anyone can post stuff there | 09:22 |
| AlanBell | who is a member of the launchpad team | 09:22 |
| bigcalm | Remember that nobody is paid to do this :D | 09:23 |
| nja | Where is this Launchpad team and how hard is it to join? | 09:23 |
| christel | nja: the url bigcalm posted, you just need to create a launchpad account :) | 09:24 |
| nja | @christel Wouldn't it be on the launchpad website | 09:25 |
| nja | @christel Wouldn't it be on the launchpad website? | 09:25 |
| nja | Found it! | 09:25 |
| bigcalm | Create a launchpad account and then you can join ubuntu teams | 09:25 |
| bigcalm | The magic of the Single Sign On :D | 09:25 |
| nja | I already have a launchpad account, so that's fine. | 09:26 |
| MartijnVdS | Shingle Shine On | 09:26 |
| nja | Hmm, one that LastPass seems to have the wrong password for. Dammit. | 09:26 |
| bigcalm | MartijnVdS: channelling Sean Connery? | 09:26 |
| nja | OooOo iCal feed. | 09:27 |
| nja | So, what programming languages do we do here? | 09:29 |
| nja | Me: Java, PHP, HTML, JavaScript, Python, MySql, Used to do C (Kinda forgotten it...) | 09:29 |
| gord | Spectrum BASIC | 09:30 |
| daubers | gord: \o/ | 09:30 |
| daubers | Spectrum BASIC was the king of all BASIC | 09:30 |
| daubers | ANyone who thinks BBC BASIC was can take it outside for a round of fisticuffs | 09:31 |
| gord | i wish my keyboard was setup like the spectrum, so you could press a key and it would put in the entire command | 09:31 |
| MartijnVdS | GW-BASIC! | 09:31 |
| nja | Only Britain... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2178173/Train-drivers-ordered-stop-Olympic-Park-decrepit-overhead-cables-installed-1950s-cope-heat.html | 09:32 |
| nja | Mainly the last bit | 09:32 |
| nja | Twenty Twelve need to do another series. | 09:34 |
| freckle | nja: I really think that. | 09:35 |
| Twinkletoes | Good morning :) | 09:36 |
| nja | Back to Ubuntu stuffs: "You are here because Launchpad uses the Launchpad Login Service." | 09:37 |
| nja | No kidding | 09:37 |
| Twinkletoes | Creating public/private key pair. How does ssh know what file name to use for the private key? | 09:37 |
| directhex | Twinkletoes, id_rsa.pub for pubkey, id_rsa for private | 09:38 |
| Twinkletoes | directhex: Yeah... thank you... but how does ssh know that? | 09:38 |
| Twinkletoes | directhex: Sorry, I've just found it... man ssh | 09:39 |
| Twinkletoes | directhex: I was previously looking in man sshd_config DUH! | 09:39 |
| nja | Woop! LaunchPad has now let me join Ubuntu UK! :D | 09:39 |
| christel | most kind of launchpad! ; | 09:40 |
| christel | ;) | 09:40 |
| nja | Irony, Ubuntu UK mailing list only supports English (USA)... | 09:41 |
| christel | hehe | 09:44 |
| nja | bye | 09:45 |
| christel | bye bye nja | 09:45 |
| diplo | Sorry jacobw, got stuck on the phone. And you like it ? ( Whats up Gold ) | 09:46 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 10:02 |
| bigcalm | Morning davmor2 | 10:02 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: still with the old car :( | 10:02 |
| bigcalm | Boo | 10:02 |
| bigcalm | You're getting impatient about a new toy | 10:02 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: indeed, it's driving me nuts now I know the money has left my account | 10:02 |
| bigcalm | Should have gone there and paid by debit card | 10:03 |
| MartijnVdS | cash! | 10:03 |
| christel | hehe | 10:04 |
| christel | yes! in coins | 10:04 |
| MartijnVdS | 2p ones | 10:04 |
| directhex | not legal tender. | 10:04 |
| christel | yeah! i'm with MartijnVdS | 10:04 |
| * christel nods | 10:04 | |
| christel | aw | 10:04 |
| MartijnVdS | 2p coins aren't legal tender? | 10:04 |
| directhex | 10 2p coins are legal tender | 10:05 |
| directhex | 11 or more are not | 10:05 |
| directhex | http://www.royalmint.com/aboutus/policies-and-guidelines/legal-tender-guidelines | 10:05 |
| MartijnVdS | weird :) | 10:05 |
| * bigcalm wants to see a 11p coin | 10:05 | |
| bigcalm | Oh, I miss-read | 10:05 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: they don't HAVE to accept, but they could accept it :) | 10:05 |
| diplo | directhex: I never knew that | 10:06 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: you filled in your form for tonight, and don't forget it ;) | 10:06 |
| diplo | I've done it on multiple occasions ( especially when I was younger and trying to afford to smoke ) | 10:06 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I printed it off when I got Ron's email | 10:06 |
| bigcalm | Dated 18th | 10:06 |
| bigcalm | Now the trick is not to forget it | 10:06 |
| MartijnVdS | pound coins are more fun anyway | 10:06 |
| MartijnVdS | heavier ;) | 10:07 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: and they're valid for any amount :) | 10:07 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: fill it in and put it in your car now! | 10:08 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: the fact that I said dated 18th indicated that I had filled it in | 10:09 |
| christel | oh did it now | 10:10 |
| christel | :o | 10:10 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: no it indicates that you 1. have a computer in front of you 2. have the ability to tell the date of an email 3. still doesn't indicate it is filled in :D | 10:10 |
| bigcalm | Bah :P | 10:10 |
| bigcalm | christel: it did in my mind | 10:10 |
| christel | :P | 10:14 |
| diplo | directhex: just saw your tweet about SS3 on steam, well I'm now defo interested! | 10:16 |
| * diplo likes a bit of Serious Sam | 10:17 | |
| directhex | i got a bit bored, 66% of the way through... but supporting games on linux is very important to me | 10:18 |
| directhex | it's how i got into linux in the first place | 10:18 |
| bigcalm | They did a 3rd game?! | 10:18 |
| diplo | Doing* | 10:18 |
| dogmatic69 | lol, I thought evolution was broken | 10:18 |
| bigcalm | \o/ | 10:18 |
| gord | they also remade the first two | 10:18 |
| diplo | Released sometime this year | 10:18 |
| gord | but the third game added iron sights so i'm not interested | 10:18 |
| dogmatic69 | turns out they just finished the unity integration properly | 10:18 |
| diplo | yeah bought them in *HD* gord :) | 10:18 |
| bigcalm | gord: aye, I have the HD versions for both | 10:18 |
| gord | don't say HD :P | 10:19 |
| gord | its a pc game, i was running the originals HD | 10:19 |
| diplo | heh | 10:19 |
| directhex | er, 4th game | 10:19 |
| directhex | serious sam the first encounter, serious sam the 2nd encounter, serious sam 2, serious sam 3 | 10:19 |
| * bigcalm scratches his head | 10:20 | |
| directhex | bigcalm, gta, gta2, gta3, gta:vc, gta:sa, gta4! | 10:20 |
| bigcalm | directhex: good point | 10:20 |
| directhex | windows 7 is windows version 6.1 :D | 10:20 |
| directhex | serious sam games did traditionally get linux ports | 10:22 |
| MartijnVdS | Wasn't XP 5.1? | 10:22 |
| MartijnVdS | and 95 4? | 10:22 |
| directhex | http://liflg.org/torrents/serious.sam.tfe_1.05beta3-english-2.run.torrent for SS:TFE installer, http://liflg.org/torrents/serious.sam.tse_1.07beta1-english-2.run.torrent for SS:TSE, http://liflg.org/torrents/serious.sam2_2.070beta2.1-multilanguage.dvd.run.torrent for SS2 | 10:23 |
| directhex | MartijnVdS, correct on both counts! | 10:23 |
| directhex | xp 64-bit was 5.2 though | 10:24 |
| MartijnVdS | hence the tons of incompatibilities? | 10:24 |
| directhex | yes. 5.2 is the server 2003 version number, so most apps checking the version would refuse to install on a "server os" | 10:24 |
| * MartijnVdS has new shininess: https://plus.google.com/100189567362844794281/posts/ERNWNmFK96W | 10:24 | |
| directhex | win7 was numbered 6.1 so any apps checking for vista support (6) would work | 10:25 |
| MartijnVdS | There was some legal reason for a Windows version number | 10:25 |
| MartijnVdS | was it NT 3.51 or 4? | 10:25 |
| MartijnVdS | Something about a "3"-version of Windows and IBM | 10:25 |
| nja | poor you, I'm back... | 10:26 |
| directhex | scrollback doesn't suggest i should feel overly upset | 10:27 |
| christel | hehe | 10:27 |
| christel | welcome back nja :) | 10:28 |
| MartijnVdS | Ni-Nja? | 10:28 |
| nja | @MartijnVdS Some people call me ninja. Can't think why... | 10:28 |
| nja | @ tags are still visible to everyone right?# | 10:29 |
| MartijnVdS | tags? | 10:29 |
| MartijnVdS | everything you say is visible | 10:29 |
| MartijnVdS | muahaha | 10:30 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | any sql gurus in da 'ouse? | 10:31 |
| nja | OK, just making sure I am replying correctly | 10:31 |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: ask away | 10:31 |
| nja | I speak SQL @TheOpenSourcerer | 10:31 |
| nja | Now that I did tag wrong | 10:31 |
| MartijnVdS | nja: natively? | 10:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I need some advice on joins etc. | 10:31 |
| BigRedS | you speak SQL *at* him? Poor TheOpenSourcerer | 10:32 |
| MartijnVdS | nja: just mention people's names, it's not Twitter :) | 10:32 |
| BigRedS | :) | 10:32 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Might need to do some patebining | 10:32 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | hang on. | 10:32 |
| * MartijnVdS hangs on | 10:32 | |
| nja | @MartijnVdS WHAT?!? | 10:32 |
| nja | Not Twitter! | 10:32 |
| MartijnVdS | ಠ_ಠ @ nja | 10:32 |
| nja | It's what my IRC client likes best so I'll obey it. | 10:32 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | This http://paste.ubuntu.com/1109867/ gets me a list of records that I want. | 10:33 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I have another table which has a column called related_to that has some records (more than one) that will match the crmid values. How do I write the correct join statement? | 10:34 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | When I try I end up with millions of rows of dupes ;-( | 10:34 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | The query above returns about 2.5k rows | 10:34 |
| nja | Never tried joins before so I wouldn't trust my advice if I were you. | 10:35 |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: so you want the records from the other table, or just the ones from vtiger_crmentity that are referred to? | 10:35 |
| BigRedS | TheOpenSourcerer: I don't do much SQL, but how are you expecting it to know which related_to it wants you to match up with teh first table? | 10:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I want the list of records in table2 that have an id in the related_to column that matches a value in the result of my first query. | 10:36 |
| jacobw | nja: Does your IRC client replace 'jacobw' with '@jacobw'? | 10:37 |
| jacobw | nja: Where do get the @ from | 10:37 |
| nja | @jacobw No, it just highlights it with ther person's colour. | 10:37 |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: SELECT columns_you_want FROM second_table s JOIN first_table f ON (s.related_to = s.id) WHERE s.field = 'some_value' AND ... | 10:37 |
| MartijnVdS | nja: strange client is strange ;) | 10:38 |
| nja | @MartijnVdS Smuxi is only in beta. ;) | 10:38 |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: you have to prefix column names with "s." or "f." depending on which table you want to get them from | 10:38 |
| nja | Can someone else do an @ tag for me? | 10:39 |
| nja | So I can see hwat it looks like. | 10:39 |
| MartijnVdS | @moo | 10:39 |
| nja | With an actual person please... Not me cause it does something else for that. | 10:39 |
| MartijnVdS | But.. nobody does that! | 10:40 |
| nja | D: | 10:40 |
| nja | @TheOpenSourcerer What project are you working on? | 10:42 |
| bigcalm | That's like asking everybody to stop using email and start using Google Wave | 10:42 |
| nja | @bigcalm It was a good idea! | 10:42 |
| nja | Just terribly executed | 10:42 |
| oimon | further to my previous comments about my buggy, do people think i might get better customer service via twitter than email? | 10:43 |
| oimon | email people said no. | 10:43 |
| bigcalm | oimon: twitter is more public | 10:43 |
| bigcalm | No company wants bad press | 10:43 |
| oimon | i replied to email people again. will wait for response | 10:43 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | MartijnVdS: Thanks. That appears to be doing something sensible. It was the JOIN ON (blah = blah) that I hadn't groked. Cheers | 10:44 |
| oimon | the uk twitter people are in UK , hence nicer :D | 10:44 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | nja | 10:44 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | nja: vtiger CRM | 10:44 |
| nja | TheOpenSourcerer: posh... | 10:45 |
| nja | See happy, I didn't use the @ sign | 10:45 |
| nja | woah woah woah woah, Vtiger is Open Source, with a free trial. ??? | 10:46 |
| nja | See you all later, 2nd last day of holiday and I'm going to go swimming now :D | 10:46 |
| * directhex moos once more | 10:47 | |
| bigcalm | I'm guessing young? | 10:47 |
| bigcalm | No adult has that much excitement within IRC | 10:47 |
| bigcalm | popey: you came back! | 10:50 |
| popey | i did | 10:50 |
| christel | magic | 10:50 |
| * popey is in gostrey park | 10:50 | |
| gord | i like that bigcalm disproved his theory instantly | 10:50 |
| bigcalm | popey: how do I completely remove an app from an iOS device? If I try to reinstall an app, it reloads with cached data | 10:50 |
| davmor2 | popey: what not enough abuse the first time came back for some more ;) | 10:50 |
| bigcalm | gord: I'm no adult :P | 10:50 |
| popey | bigcalm, no idea | 10:51 |
| bigcalm | Bah | 10:51 |
| bigcalm | That's something Android does without hassle | 10:52 |
| bigcalm | :P | 10:52 |
| popey | well, why are you reinstalling an app? | 10:52 |
| bigcalm | Because it's in development | 10:52 |
| popey | i haven't had the problem of having cached data retained | 10:52 |
| popey | maybe the developer is storing the data incorrectly :) | 10:53 |
| bigcalm | Ho hum :| | 10:53 |
| * popey notes the x220 screen works quite nicely in the shade | 10:57 | |
| diplo | bigcalm: Not an iOS man, but no option like Android to manage apps and clear data etc in app settings ? | 10:58 |
| gord | tried to use mine in the sun yesterday, didn't go well | 10:59 |
| gord | ended up being hot to the touch but didn't overheat though | 10:59 |
| MartijnVdS | It's not a Sun, it's a Lenovo. | 10:59 |
| MartijnVdS | hence the problem. | 10:59 |
| * popey is under a tree | 11:00 | |
| * BigRedS wants a sun laptop | 11:01 | |
| bigcalm | Ding ding ding ding | 11:01 |
| bigcalm | Lunch time! | 11:01 |
| * bigcalm goes for a horrifyingly lazy Maccy D's | 11:01 | |
| diplo | I'm off for a cycle shortly for a Boatmans ( big breakfast meal ) not sure it's a good idea yet | 11:02 |
| diplo | :D | 11:02 |
| * popey has picnic | 11:02 | |
| * czajkowski steals popey picnic | 11:03 | |
| christel | mmmpicnic | 11:03 |
| christel | :) | 11:03 |
| popey | i now have 3 picnics | 11:03 |
| christel | how very greedy of you! | 11:03 |
| popey | people keep arriving in the park, leaving their stuff near me and going off to play | 11:03 |
| * davmor2 believe popey is really just yogi bear in disguise | 11:05 | |
| popey | i am indeed smarter than the average popey | 11:05 |
| czajkowski | could everyone please go me too on zee bug of todays irritation :) | 11:10 |
| czajkowski | https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1028862 | 11:10 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 1028862 in Unity "attempting to drag fixed items from the launcher results in other applications being moved" [Undecided,New] | 11:10 |
| AlanBell | popey: you at the meadow still? | 11:11 |
| popey | ya | 11:13 |
| popey | be here for an hour or so | 11:13 |
| popey | czajkowski, confirmed now | 11:14 |
| popey | oh, mpt did it :( | 11:14 |
| christel | czajkowski: hoi. are you guys staying in farnham on saturday? or going back? | 11:14 |
| christel | if you're staying we shoud lunch or something on sunday as it would appear the passport office have no intention of delivering david's passport today :) | 11:15 |
| oimon | wow, firefox is still awful | 11:22 |
| oimon | hangs, freezes, slowness | 11:22 |
| oimon | went to this page and froze the whole browser hard http://www.petri.co.il/host-drs-affinity-rules-vsphere-4-1.htm | 11:23 |
| BigRedS | oimon: allegedly, this is frequently down to add-ons | 11:26 |
| BigRedS | someone was saying that the leakiness of an add-on is roughly proportional to its popularity, which sounds incredibly sub-optimal | 11:26 |
| oimon | yeah, the firefox web browser one :P | 11:26 |
| oimon | i only have a couple | 11:26 |
| BigRedS | I did find a huge leap in performance when I disabled mine | 11:26 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I had three. Web-dev, firebug and nagios. Disabling all of them suddenly made FF act as if it were a modern browser | 11:27 |
| oimon | the performance is one thing, hard crashes are another | 11:27 |
| oimon | adblock? | 11:27 |
| BigRedS | I didn't have it installed, but that's a biggie for leakiness | 11:27 |
| oimon | i just have adblock plus and ubuntu firefox modifications | 11:27 |
| oimon | it's just a pile of poo | 11:27 |
| oimon | and those millinos of pounds they get | 11:28 |
| BigRedS | disable adblock plus, I bet it gets better | 11:28 |
| oimon | :-\ | 11:28 |
| oimon | adblock plus is the essential feature of the browser | 11:28 |
| BigRedS | I don't need it | 11:29 |
| * BigRedS shrugs | 11:29 | |
| oimon | wow | 11:29 |
| oimon | i wish i could read articles without having to put a piece of paper in the way to stop the flashing ads | 11:29 |
| BigRedS | I don't think there's any site I visit with any degree of regularity with ads like that | 11:29 |
| BigRedS | Though, generally, my laziness means that if I need to reconfigure my browser to make a website work I'll just not use that website | 11:30 |
| czajkowski | christel: going back saturday night | 11:32 |
| christel | ah ok | 11:32 |
| Pendulum | christel: I had a response about what I thought of the passport office not sending David's passport and then I realised I couldn't say it here ;-) | 11:32 |
| christel | haha | 11:33 |
| christel | <3 Pendulum | 11:33 |
| Dave2 | Pendulum: you did better than me | 11:33 |
| christel | i need to call the airline i suspect and do the whole "lol i wont be flying yet, change my tickets please" thing | 11:33 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Moreati is coming in on Thursday | 11:34 |
| oimon | i guess not many of you are facebook users, but if i am friends with someone who likes a certain company, then if that company sends sponsored status updates, *I* see those updates! | 11:42 |
| oimon | i.e. inserting advertising into my feed, not just his | 11:42 |
| oimon | this is the end for facebook | 11:42 |
| popey | i just hide them | 11:44 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: good show | 11:45 |
| oimon | can't hide them on your phone though | 11:49 |
| oimon | does anyone know what a rivet rollover tool is? | 11:49 |
| * bigcalm realises that he's returned from lunch too early. Time for some gaming | 11:50 | |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| bigcalm | Oh I do love how Psyconauts just crashes out now and then | 12:00 |
| bigcalm | And there's no in-game music | 12:01 |
| bigcalm | And some projects don't work | 12:01 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: you need to play limbo | 12:01 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I have, 3 times | 12:02 |
| gord | games ported to linux rarely get any QA at all unfortunately | 12:02 |
| gord | if it works on the devs system, ship it | 12:02 |
| * bigcalm eyes davmor2 | 12:03 | |
| gord | psychonauts is a good 7 years old by now too, which doesn't help | 12:03 |
| christel | i have ants in my hair :( | 12:04 |
| MartijnVdS | Are you antsy about it? | 12:05 |
| bigcalm | christel: well if you will try to impersonate an ant eater :S | 12:05 |
| christel | MartijnVdS: very :P | 12:05 |
| christel | bigcalm: pfft :P | 12:05 |
| christel | all i did was lie down in the grass for half an hour | 12:06 |
| christel | and then they all came flocking :( | 12:06 |
| MartijnVdS | Maybe they thought you were sweet? :P | 12:06 |
| christel | oh but i am! :P | 12:06 |
| davmor2 | christel: but your a raging ball of fury you can't be sweet too :D | 12:13 |
| christel | oh i forgot yes, i am always angry :( | 12:13 |
| * christel stomps feet | 12:13 | |
| davmor2 | christel: tut fancy forgetting that :) anyway stomping your feet will shake the ants lose :D | 12:14 |
| christel | good thinking! :D | 12:14 |
| gord | i have no idea why it took me so long to figure out that it might be a good idea to setup a upnp media server on my phone | 12:19 |
| popey_ | stupid free wifi | 12:21 |
| gord | damn y ou free wiiifiii | 12:22 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| === popey_ is now known as popey | ||
| === TheEremite is now known as squiggles | ||
| BigRedS | Is there a way to invoke crontab such that I can pass it a file to install as the new crontab for a user? | 12:37 |
| BigRedS | I want an sftp-only user to be able to set cronjobs up | 12:37 |
| bigcalm | sudo -u bob crontab bobs_cronjobs.txt | 12:37 |
| bigcalm | (untested, may or may not work) | 12:37 |
| BigRedS | ah! it does! | 12:42 |
| BigRedS | why didn't I think of that | 12:42 |
| bigcalm | Yay :) | 12:42 |
| bigcalm | Why can I never remember this? What's the command to empty stale emails from the mailq? | 12:44 |
| nja | Hello again | 12:45 |
| bigcalm | exim -bp | awk '/^ *[0-9]+[mhd]/{print "exim -Mrm " $3}' | bash | 12:47 |
| bigcalm | That seems a little ott | 12:47 |
| bigcalm | Surprised that there isn't one command to delete everything | 12:47 |
| nja | rm * ? | 12:48 |
| MartijnVdS | no. | 12:48 |
| nja | Tiny and Big: Grandpa's Leftovers Soundtrack FTW! | 12:50 |
| * gord eats some more japanese candy that tastes like potato | 12:52 | |
| MartijnVdS | candy.. that tastes like potato.. | 12:54 |
| nja | Delicious! | 12:55 |
| BigRedS | bigcalm: it depends on the mailer, but most are inelegant | 13:01 |
| bigcalm | BigRedS: true | 13:01 |
| bigcalm | Maybe it's to safe guard against dropping the whole queue | 13:02 |
| bigcalm | Ack | 13:03 |
| bigcalm | The site I'm working on has just emailed me in plain text my new password that I changed via its forgotten password system | 13:03 |
| * bigcalm shakes fist at insecurity | 13:03 | |
| diplo | Well that was lovely ride and lunch apart from the last mile | 13:03 |
| diplo | All up hill in this heat! | 13:04 |
| diplo | :( | 13:04 |
| bigcalm | This is what gives PHP a bad name :( | 13:04 |
| diplo | And OMG how many half naked ladies ! | 13:04 |
| bigcalm | diplo: showers during work hours are the best :D | 13:04 |
| diplo | Forgot to bring a towel unfortunatly, will rectify tomoorw | 13:04 |
| bigcalm | You have a shower at work? | 13:05 |
| bigcalm | More work places should do that | 13:05 |
| christel | i am soaking wet :( | 13:05 |
| christel | my sister decided to start a waterfight! | 13:05 |
| diplo | yeah it's much better than my shower at home as well | 13:05 |
| diplo | should use it more often | 13:05 |
| bigcalm | christel: yay \o/ | 13:05 |
| diplo | lol christel, I have 2 young boys for that | 13:05 |
| * bigcalm strikes an item of his to-do list. Such a lovely feeling | 13:06 | |
| christel | i submerged her in the toddler's paddling pool after | 13:06 |
| christel | and when she has dried up i intend to get the hosepipe out! | 13:06 |
| diplo | Good girl | 13:08 |
| diplo | :) | 13:08 |
| * christel nods | 13:10 | |
| === popey_ is now known as popey | ||
| bigcalm | This silence is deafening | 14:08 |
| popey | shhh | 14:08 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/63/The_Silent.tif/lossy-page1-250px-The_Silent.tif.jpg ? | 14:09 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: I know it always goes quiet when you are doing stuff | 14:10 |
| bigcalm | My fault for being busy | 14:11 |
| bigcalm | mrevell: 3 of us are confirmed for Thursday. Will you make that 4? | 14:18 |
| davmor2 | mrevell: go on make it 4 you know you want to | 14:20 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: As we're at the range until 9pm, does anybody bother to go to a pub afterwards? | 14:34 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: nope the nearest pub is a dive and nobody should ever drink there :) | 14:34 |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 14:35 |
| mattt | bigcalm: what kind of range? | 14:35 |
| bigcalm | That's fair enough :) | 14:35 |
| davmor2 | mattt: shooting | 14:35 |
| mattt | eww | 14:35 |
| * mattt /parts #ubuntu-tx | 14:35 | |
| bigcalm | Heh | 14:36 |
| bigcalm | Not really my thing | 14:36 |
| bigcalm | But I've not done it before, so giving it a go | 14:36 |
| bigcalm | I like archery | 14:36 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: oh god you're gonna love it dude | 14:36 |
| bigcalm | Much more civilised | 14:36 |
| popey | \o/ the kids have caught a fish | 14:37 |
| bigcalm | popey: in minecraft? | 14:37 |
| popey | hah | 14:37 |
| popey | in real life | 14:37 |
| popey | Big Blue RoomCraft | 14:37 |
| popey | someone should make that game | 14:37 |
| popey | it would be very dull | 14:37 |
| bigcalm | Sounds it | 14:43 |
| bigcalm | Well done to your kids :) | 14:43 |
| davmor2 | popey: wait till they find out it's tea :D | 14:44 |
| popey | hah | 14:44 |
| popey | light tea! | 14:45 |
| MartijnVdS | lighttpd? | 14:45 |
| christel | popey: chrisjrob has instructed me to liase with you about Some Server | 14:45 |
| christel | GOOD TIMING CHRISTEL | 14:45 |
| MartijnVdS | ("Security, speed, compliance, and flexibility -- all of these describe lighttpd (pron. lighty)") | 14:46 |
| BigRedS | pron? | 15:01 |
| BigRedS | oh! | 15:01 |
| Myrtti | bwak bwak | 15:02 |
| bigcalm | Jello! | 15:02 |
| christel | BWAK BWAK | 15:03 |
| Myrtti | hello UK | 15:03 |
| christel | HELLO PRETTYFINN | 15:03 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer has a minty choc-ice :-) | 15:06 | |
| AlanBell | choochoo | 15:06 |
| christel | alan the tank engine. | 15:07 |
| AlanBell | ooh myrtti, have you arrived? | 15:07 |
| nja | Hi AlamBell | 15:07 |
| christel | alarmbell! | 15:07 |
| nja | I hear you're quite important here | 15:07 |
| christel | that is so your new nickname | 15:07 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | skinheadbell | 15:08 |
| AlanBell | nja, hehe, no I am just persistent | 15:08 |
| nja | @AlamBell ;) | 15:09 |
| nja | wait what | 15:09 |
| nja | new nickname? | 15:09 |
| nja | Yay for Spotify Adverts! | 15:10 |
| christel | nja: i'm just being daft ;) | 15:10 |
| Myrtti | AlanBell: I have! | 15:10 |
| christel | but did she bring any lingonberry jam?! | 15:10 |
| christel | er cloudberry jam even | 15:10 |
| nja | @christel isn't that all we do here? | 15:10 |
| christel | nja: good point | 15:10 |
| christel | or any REINDEER? | 15:11 |
| christel | HRM HRM | 15:11 |
| nja | No Spotify. Not Lil Wane, Rhianna OR Niki Minaj. (I know I spelt that wrong) | 15:11 |
| nja | And DEFFINATELY NOT RAP! | 15:12 |
| nja | sorry, offtopic | 15:12 |
| Myrtti | christel: both can br bought from Ikea, I save my luggage kilograms for my books | 15:12 |
| christel | ooo do they have cloudberry jam?! | 15:12 |
| christel | i know they have lingonberry | 15:12 |
| Myrtti | I think so | 15:12 |
| christel | but i'venot spotted cloudberry | 15:12 |
| nja | wait wait wait, am I in the brony chat by acciden | 15:12 |
| christel | 15:45 :: Quit: popey (~alan@ubuntu/member/popey) [Quit: back in a bit] | 15:12 |
| christel | 15:45 (christel) popey: chrisjrob has instructed me to liase with you about Some Server | 15:12 |
| Myrtti | atleast tjats where my sister buys some | 15:13 |
| christel | nja: yes my little pony. | 15:13 |
| nja | How popular is Bronyism in Ubuntu UK? | 15:13 |
| christel | oh very | 15:13 |
| * christel nods | 15:13 | |
| * nja brohoof | 15:14 | |
| nja | no? | 15:14 |
| christel | <3 | 15:14 |
| christel | i like you, you're funny :) | 15:14 |
| nja | Strange post to follow... | 15:14 |
| christel | hahaha | 15:15 |
| jacobw | nja: on topic is relative in #ubuntu-uk | 15:15 |
| nja | @jacobw Clearly | 15:15 |
| oimon | bronyism and arch linux are just figments of the imagination | 15:16 |
| DJones | AlanBell: Hope you haven't got your phone as a wifi hotspot in the olympic venues, you'll get thrown out | 15:17 |
| nja | @DJones Really?! | 15:17 |
| nja | The Olympics is going way too far | 15:17 |
| DJones | nja: Yep, personal wifi hotspots are banned items | 15:18 |
| jacobw | Wow, I've just looked up 'Bronyism' | 15:18 |
| DJones | I thought it was something to do with the Bronte sisters | 15:18 |
| nja | My friends seem to have all become bronies... | 15:18 |
| jacobw | DJones: it's so much worse | 15:18 |
| nja | @jacobw +1 | 15:19 |
| oimon | it's not real | 15:19 |
| nja | Why can't Spotify just play GOOD music? | 15:20 |
| nja | I've almost maxed out on the | 15:20 |
| oimon | i've got google music just playing good music | 15:20 |
| nja | ... The Who, Dunderpatrullen | 15:20 |
| nja | @oimon You have to buy the music for that | 15:20 |
| jacobw | f(x) = good | 15:20 |
| oimon | nja, yep | 15:20 |
| nja | I don't want to pay money, that's kinda why I am using Spotify | 15:21 |
| jacobw | Unfortunately, that function has never been discovered | 15:21 |
| nja | Grooveshark is buggy and the legality is debatable | 15:21 |
| jacobw | Perhaps you should kick the ass of a Phillippino torrent site | 15:22 |
| nja | Sounds legal | 15:22 |
| jacobw | I won't tell, I promise :P | 15:23 |
| nja | That's it Spotify, I'm going to YouTube where I can play Teddybears again. | 15:23 |
| jacobw | i have an idea for a t-shirt | 15:24 |
| jacobw | "i'm not slacking off, my packets are capturing" | 15:24 |
| simondbull | jacobw: hahaha | 15:24 |
| jacobw | for network people :) | 15:24 |
| nja | @jacobw I'm ashamed with my self that I didn't get that :( | 15:25 |
| jacobw | run `sudo tcpdump -n -i wlan0 host freenode.net` | 15:26 |
| jacobw | you'll see a description of each packet transmitted between your wlan0 and freenode | 15:26 |
| nja | OK, if I remember when I next use ubuntu | 15:27 |
| nja | This computer | 15:27 |
| nja | runs | 15:27 |
| nja | WINDOWS! | 15:27 |
| nja | dum dum duuuuuuuuummmmmm. | 15:27 |
| jacobw | unfortunately, some do | 15:27 |
| simondbull | nja: Controversial! | 15:27 |
| nja | :D | 15:27 |
| nja | Windows 8 will spark an Ubuntu revolution | 15:28 |
| nja | at least I hope | 15:29 |
| jacobw | windows is a much OS now than it was even 5 years ago | 15:30 |
| jacobw | much better OS even | 15:30 |
| nja | Now, new topic time | 15:30 |
| jacobw | the improvement of windows correlates with it's increasing adoption of open standards | 15:30 |
| nja | Anyone here familiar with Slick-2D? | 15:31 |
| jacobw | no, what is it? | 15:31 |
| nja | Java libraries for 2D games | 15:31 |
| nja | OK, fine | 15:31 |
| nja | It's been 2 hours and still now response on my StackOverflow post D: | 15:32 |
| jacobw | is there some reason why you have to use java? | 15:32 |
| nja | @jacobw OS support mainly | 15:32 |
| nja | I can do Python too | 15:34 |
| nja | PyGTK3 | 15:34 |
| jacobw | :) | 15:36 |
| jacobw | i think unity3d is quite popular | 15:37 |
| jacobw | directhex knows more about game development | 15:37 |
| directhex | snuh? | 15:37 |
| jacobw | i'm sure i've read about unity3d on your blog | 15:38 |
| directhex | you have. | 15:38 |
| directhex | what's the topic? | 15:38 |
| jacobw | nja, where's your stackoverflow post? | 15:39 |
| nja | I'm not too fond of Unity | 15:39 |
| nja | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11650540/ | 15:39 |
| nja | @jacobw ^ | 15:40 |
| directhex | trying to think of how many 2d java games i've seen lately | 15:40 |
| directhex | there was freecol, but that's about it | 15:40 |
| nja | @directhex I suck at 3D currently | 15:41 |
| directhex | well the only 3d java anyone knows or cares about is minecraft :p | 15:41 |
| jacobw | minecrack | 15:41 |
| nja | @directhex That's why everyone is learning Java all of a sudden | 15:41 |
| directhex | lol | 15:41 |
| directhex | yeah, because lwjgl isn't a blight upon the earth or anything] | 15:42 |
| jacobw | most of my development work is text processing, i like python very much :) | 15:43 |
| nja | @jacobw I'll tell you what we haven't had for a long time; Text based adventure games. | 15:44 |
| directhex | zork zork zork | 15:44 |
| nja | I knew someone would do that | 15:44 |
| diplo | nja: Quite a few still running around the www | 15:45 |
| diplo | Bryan Lunduke from LAS runs one i think | 15:45 |
| directhex | MUDs! | 15:45 |
| diplo | yah | 15:45 |
| directhex | (and MUSHes and MOOs) | 15:45 |
| nja | @diplo Do you think it is possible to make a AAA text based game? | 15:45 |
| diplo | One of my mates used to, not sure if it's still up | 15:45 |
| directhex | my wife used to play a discworld mud | 15:45 |
| directhex | nja, impossible. | 15:45 |
| nja | ASCII ART! | 15:46 |
| directhex | nja, AAA refers to the marketing budget more than anything else, and nobody will spend an AAA budget on a text adventure's marketing | 15:46 |
| nja | True | 15:46 |
| nja | Although the London Olympics seem to be doing everything wrong | 15:47 |
| diplo | http://www.topmudsites.com/forums/mudinfo-ajandurah.html | 15:47 |
| diplo | Thats my mates mud | 15:47 |
| diplo | Probably still got ssh/source access, couldn't get into it myself | 15:47 |
| nja | [1] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1110355/ | 15:48 |
| popey | I'm melllltiiiing | 15:48 |
| nja | poor you | 15:48 |
| nja | Enjoy the sun while it lasts | 15:49 |
| davmor2 | popey: stop pooring water on yourself then | 15:49 |
| popey | nja, the ifcomp runs every year | 15:49 |
| popey | new text adventures 'interactive fiction' | 15:50 |
| nja | and how do I pronounce your name? | 15:50 |
| nja | poo-py | 15:50 |
| davmor2 | popey: if it helps I just opened the window as the sun has just come round to this side of the flat :) | 15:50 |
| nja | or po-pey | 15:50 |
| popey | poh-pee | 15:50 |
| MartijnVdS | peau-pee | 15:50 |
| nja | nah, prefer the first one. | 15:51 |
| gord | poh-pee-po? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0-2lzA7_Cg | 15:51 |
| davmor2 | nja: pop-eye he really likes that. | 15:51 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: proof: http://vandestreek.net/~martijn/lolpopey.jpg | 15:51 |
| nja | @gord Why did you send that! | 15:52 |
| bigcalm | MartijnVdS: wow | 15:52 |
| popey | thats freaky | 15:52 |
| davmor2 | popey: that's you | 15:52 |
| gord | because i have all the best links? they bring all the boys to the yard, and i'm like, its better than yours, i can teach you - but i have to charge | 15:52 |
| popey | hah | 15:53 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: he did steal your focus, didn't he? :) | 15:53 |
| * nja facepalm | 15:53 | |
| * diplo wonders if I should change my mind for Saturday | 15:53 | |
| diplo | Scary! | 15:53 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 15:54 |
| nja | :D | 15:54 |
| nja | http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/ZZ0SA/secret-of-the-magic-crystals | 15:54 |
| christel | diplo: to come or not to come?! | 15:55 |
| diplo | ooer missus! | 15:55 |
| diplo | :P | 15:55 |
| MartijnVdS | christel: based on the popey pic, I think | 15:55 |
| christel | haha | 15:55 |
| gord | don't worry, popey is harmless | 15:56 |
| gord | yes his eyes steal your soul, but you don't need it | 15:56 |
| davmor2 | diplo: just hide behind christel and the angers will cancel each other out :D | 15:56 |
| diplo | right, time to cycle home :( then shower and make my way to the pub \o/ | 15:56 |
| diplo | heh | 15:57 |
| * christel nods | 15:57 | |
| diplo | Suppose I better harass AlanBell for an address tomorrow | 15:57 |
| nja | @diplo and then program some more? | 15:57 |
| diplo | Nope, then drink more beer, then a little more, maybe some food @ the pub | 15:57 |
| diplo | The a book, then sleep! | 15:57 |
| nja | @diplo fun evening | 15:57 |
| diplo | then a book* | 15:57 |
| diplo | Not sure the wallet can take it yet, but if I don't look it doesn't matter does it ? | 15:58 |
| diplo | :P | 15:58 |
| bigcalm | !oggcamp | 15:58 |
| lubotu3 | oggcamp is a two day unconference on August 13th/14th 2011 - See http://oggcamp.org/ | 15:58 |
| bigcalm | ... | 15:58 |
| MartijnVdS | heh | 15:58 |
| diplo | I bid you all good evening | 15:58 |
| bigcalm | That could do with fixing | 15:58 |
| bigcalm | Taaraa diplo | 15:58 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: no you just need to build a time machine | 15:59 |
| bigcalm | That's the easy option? | 15:59 |
| christel | diplo: \o/ | 15:59 |
| christel | diplo: i am going to bake a CAKE | 15:59 |
| christel | (and i am going to make my uber amazing caramelised onion potato salad!) | 16:00 |
| christel | and maybe some other magical things | 16:00 |
| christel | because i'm sweet like that! | 16:00 |
| popey | lubotu3, no oggcamp is <reply> is a two day unconference on August 18th/19th 2012 - see http://oggcamp.org/ | 16:00 |
| popey | or something | 16:00 |
| davmor2 | christel: uber amazing caramelised onion potato salad CAKE! EEEWWWWWWWW | 16:00 |
| christel | davmor2: hahaha | 16:00 |
| christel | no, the cake will be all summery and full of BERRIES | 16:00 |
| christel | :P | 16:00 |
| christel | (and vanilla cream omnom!) | 16:01 |
| * daubers wonders why he can't get onto the work server | 16:02 | |
| davmor2 | daubers: well it's probably in a rack surrounded by other servers preventing access to the top of it in order to get on it :) | 16:03 |
| bigcalm | "End of Vendor Support -Cisco CSS Load Balancer". Would be nice if my client had a clue and responded to hosting tickets from Rackspace | 16:03 |
| daubers | davmor2: I suspect too much porn being downloaded in the office | 16:03 |
| nja | @daubers or Pirateboxing | 16:03 |
| bigcalm | Anybody else using Rackspace and their Cisco load balancer? | 16:04 |
| davmor2 | nja: wow pirates box, I thought they just got drunk and brawled | 16:04 |
| nja | @davmor2 while downloading tons of MP3s and Keygens | 16:06 |
| nja | bye all, noms time | 16:09 |
| KungFuPanda | hi guys, how to change webuser to be www-data instead of apache ? | 16:23 |
| KungFuPanda | I do not why my webuser become apache? | 16:23 |
| KungFuPanda | anything upload by user from browser will own by apache | 16:24 |
| dogmatic69 | KungFuPanda: stop using a lamp package | 16:25 |
| BigRedS | KungFuPanda: it's in the apache2 config file | 16:25 |
| KungFuPanda | ha ? | 16:26 |
| BigRedS | 'user' and 'group' directives | 16:26 |
| dogmatic69 | sudo apt-get install apache2 :) | 16:26 |
| KungFuPanda | is that the reason ? :-D our server still using apache ? not apache2 ? | 16:26 |
| KungFuPanda | damn I just log into our server, that is why I can not find apache2ctl | 16:27 |
| BigRedS | no, the old apache package used www-data, too | 16:27 |
| BigRedS | but just edit the config | 16:27 |
| BigRedS | if you reinstall you're boudn to lose some other config you're already reliant upon. But, in general, it's a good idea to just use the apache out of the repos | 16:27 |
| BigRedS | it's generally best to use everything out of the repos | 16:28 |
| KungFuPanda | I try cat /etc/passwd, I can not find www-data user | 16:28 |
| BigRedS | then you'll need to add one | 16:28 |
| BigRedS | it'll only be created for you if you've installed the repo-supplied apache | 16:28 |
| BigRedS | if you've something custom-built then there's no reason for that user to exist | 16:28 |
| KungFuPanda | ok thanks, all right, the problem is current user upload a image from browser, which own by apache, and I want to preview it from browser, but no permisson to view it, any idea ? | 16:30 |
| KungFuPanda | the whole upload folder full access 777, only the file 600 | 16:31 |
| BigRedS | so the file is uploaded by apache and lands owned by apache:apache, and then apache comes along and cannot serve it to you? | 16:34 |
| BigRedS | I assume there's nothing in the Apache config to prevent it? | 16:34 |
| KungFuPanda | yes, after image uploaded, I got a preview link in the same page, but I just can not view the image from browser | 16:36 |
| BigRedS | if you su to 'apache' can you cd to the directory containing the image and then run file on it? | 16:36 |
| KungFuPanda | I should be able to see it right ? even the file owned by apache:apache | 16:36 |
| BigRedS | that'll check apache has enough filesystem permissions to get there | 16:36 |
| BigRedS | is all this code running as the same site? Is it all in the same language? | 16:37 |
| KungFuPanda | the same site, the same language | 16:37 |
| BigRedS | it's not _that_ unusual for PHP to be run through mod_php as 'apache' and CGI to be suexeced to your user in some shared environments, for example | 16:37 |
| BigRedS | ah, cool | 16:37 |
| BigRedS | yeah, can apache su there? | 16:37 |
| BigRedS | er, cd | 16:37 |
| KungFuPanda | su apache, | 16:40 |
| KungFuPanda | This account is currently not available. | 16:40 |
| jacobw | what? | 16:41 |
| jacobw | su actually says that? | 16:41 |
| KungFuPanda | yes | 16:41 |
| bigcalm | If it's a debian/ubuntu machine, it'll be www-data. Not apache | 16:41 |
| BigRedS | bigcalm: he said earlier it's apache and there is no www-data user | 16:41 |
| bigcalm | Ah, sorry :) | 16:41 |
| * bigcalm goes back to work | 16:42 | |
| BigRedS | haha | 16:42 |
| BigRedS | KungFuPanda: try specifying a shell | 16:42 |
| BigRedS | su - apache -s /bin/bash | 16:42 |
| jacobw | debianized apache is much more friendly than the redhat distribution | 16:43 |
| bigcalm | Aye, the login might be set to /bin/false or nologin | 16:44 |
| BigRedS | yeah, redhatites tend to complain that debianised apache is patronising | 16:44 |
| BigRedS | I think they'd prefer it all in one massive file with no comments | 16:44 |
| jacobw | my problem is that they have do have a massive file with configuration sprinkled between endless comments | 16:45 |
| KungFuPanda | I do not know that the system is runing, | 16:46 |
| KungFuPanda | cat /etc/passwd | 16:46 |
| KungFuPanda | got this: | 16:46 |
| KungFuPanda | apache:x:48:48:Apache:/var/www:/sbin/nologin | 16:46 |
| BigRedS | jacobw: ah yeah. I've had that problem with dovecot recently | 16:46 |
| BigRedS | I'm slowly replacing all our multi-KB dovecot.confs with my 11-line one... | 16:47 |
| bigcalm | Use chsh to change the shell of the apache user | 16:47 |
| jacobw | BigRedS: yeah, dovecot as well :) | 16:48 |
| KungFuPanda | damn, I do not know the apache password | 16:49 |
| BigRedS | KungFuPanda: there probably isn't one | 16:49 |
| bigcalm | Indeed | 16:49 |
| BigRedS | become root before suing to apache | 16:49 |
| bigcalm | Use sudo chsh | 16:49 |
| BigRedS | then you wont need one | 16:49 |
| nja | Hello again all. I'm back to annoy you all. | 16:49 |
| BigRedS | oh, or that | 16:49 |
| bigcalm | Or sudo su - apache | 16:49 |
| jacobw | sudo -u apache | 16:50 |
| * BigRedS defers to the proper way of doing it | 16:50 | |
| bigcalm | I think you might have to change the shell of the apache user before you can su to it | 16:50 |
| BigRedS | yeah, or supply a shell | 16:51 |
| BigRedS | sudo su apache -s /bin/bash | 16:51 |
| KungFuPanda | ok, sudo su apache -s /bin/bash , this one works | 16:57 |
| KungFuPanda | I can go into that folder and see the file | 16:57 |
| KungFuPanda | as apache user | 16:58 |
| BigRedS | cool | 16:58 |
| BigRedS | so there's no filesystem reason why Apache can't read that | 16:58 |
| BigRedS | and so there must be something in teh apache config stopping it | 16:58 |
| BigRedS | and that's harder to debug :) | 16:59 |
| BigRedS | what is the path to the file, out of interest? | 16:59 |
| KungFuPanda | I found it, damn, I am stupid, the url wrong | 16:59 |
| BigRedS | frequently, /var/www and /home/*/public_html are the only permitted places | 16:59 |
| BigRedS | ah! | 16:59 |
| bigcalm | :D | 16:59 |
| KungFuPanda | thanks all | 16:59 |
| BigRedS | haha! | 16:59 |
| KungFuPanda | thank you guys , have a nice evening | 16:59 |
| bigcalm | Enjoy | 16:59 |
| bigcalm | Weee, 6pm | 16:59 |
| bigcalm | Almost | 16:59 |
| christel | \o/ | 17:00 |
| christel | SIX PEE EMME | 17:00 |
| bigcalm | Maybe now? | 17:00 |
| christel | oh yes | 17:00 |
| bigcalm | \o/ | 17:00 |
| davmor2 | Ahhhhhhhhhhh I'm telling christel said PEE | 17:03 |
| bigcalm | And it's time for the chippy before going to play with guns | 17:03 |
| bigcalm | Toodles for now :) | 17:04 |
| jacobw | wb nja | 17:04 |
| nja | :D | 17:04 |
| nja | Thinking of making a new Spotift playlist | 17:05 |
| christel | hahaha | 17:05 |
| nja | "Songs that shouldn't exist" | 17:05 |
| jacobw | i spent some of sunday making a ringtone from seconds 10 to 40 of regret by new order | 17:06 |
| nja | Parry Gripp time :D | 17:06 |
| nja | wow I'm sad | 17:06 |
| nja | Wow and now I am listening to an Orchestra version of the MLP:FiM theme and Levels (Avicii) | 17:09 |
| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away | ||
| nja | great... | 17:10 |
| nja | For those who care: | 17:14 |
| nja | http://open.spotify.com/artist/6Okl9534IVWQRRsJamiuJ7 | 17:14 |
| nja | Is what I am listening | 17:15 |
| nja | to | 17:15 |
| jacobw | i like 'burn notice', it's like a spy drama and a con drama in the show | 17:19 |
| awilkins | Also like the way they explain things. And Gabrielle Anwar isn't hideous. | 17:20 |
| jacobw | i've just learnt that thermite has a surface temperature of 1000C | 17:21 |
| awilkins | Melty. | 17:21 |
| jacobw | which seems arbitrarily precise to me, but nevermind :) | 17:21 |
| nja | @jacobw I liked Burn Notice, but the series' never really went anywhere. Has it changed much? | 17:26 |
| jacobw | i'm at s1e9 right now | 17:26 |
| nja | @jacobw watching on DVD? | 17:27 |
| awilkins | S2 has a bit more arc. And that blonde cyborg from BSG (Tricia Helfer) | 17:27 |
| nja | @jacobw or pirating? | 17:27 |
| awilkins | And the nice old policeman from Frasier (old policeman guy) | 17:27 |
| jacobw | watchseries.eu is helpful | 17:28 |
| nja | @jacobw ha | 17:29 |
| * jacobw puts fraiser on the 'to watch' list | 17:29 | |
| nja | @nja how legal is that site anyway? | 17:29 |
| nja | wait | 17:29 |
| nja | I @ed myself | 17:29 |
| nja | must be getting too late | 17:29 |
| nja | @jacobw ping for above^ | 17:29 |
| awilkins | /me looks | 17:29 |
| jacobw | i'm not a lawyer | 17:30 |
| nja | @jacobw Also this chat is publically archived | 17:30 |
| jacobw | i know that is | 17:31 |
| nja | OK, well I'm not buying the DVD for Chuck series 5 | 17:31 |
| nja | @jacobe Also add Chuck to watchlist | 17:32 |
| nja | @jacobw Also add Chuck to watchlist | 17:32 |
| jacobw | will do :) | 17:32 |
| nja | Hillarious geek drama :P | 17:32 |
| * JamesTait is done for today. | 17:33 | |
| JamesTait | 'night all! | 17:33 |
| * JamesTait waves | 17:33 | |
| jacobw | yeah, i've watched all episodes of the big bang theory | 17:33 |
| jacobw | o/ JamesTait | 17:33 |
| nja | @jacobw who hasn't | 17:34 |
| nja | The Big Band Theory is epic! | 17:34 |
| nja | Chuck Season 5 will probably come onto my Cable TV on demand thing in September so I can probably wait. | 17:34 |
| jacobw | the problem is that i watch it and think the things that sheldon are good | 17:35 |
| jacobw | the things that sheldon does even | 17:35 |
| jacobw | is season 5 still running? | 17:36 |
| nja | of Chuck? | 17:37 |
| nja | It's aired in America | 17:37 |
| nja | Comming to UK on DVD in September | 17:37 |
| nja | OK, good night all | 17:38 |
| nja | It's late where I am (holiday) | 17:38 |
| jacobw | good night | 17:38 |
| * nja yawns and waves | 17:38 | |
| jacobw | i think i'm getting RSI, my forearms twinge | 17:59 |
| cbx33 | hey peeps | 18:00 |
| cbx33 | anyone here good on licensing? | 18:00 |
| cbx33 | been working on an android app | 18:01 |
| cbx33 | using cordova and jquerymobile | 18:01 |
| cbx33 | cordova is released using the Apache license, and jquerymobile is release dual license GPL + MIT | 18:02 |
| cbx33 | I'm wondering what restrictions are imposed on me and what obligations I have | 18:02 |
| cbx33 | I have read through the T=C | 18:02 |
| cbx33 | but just wanted to confirm my thoughts with someone that knows a little more about licensing than I | 18:03 |
| AlanBell | cbx33 have you modified either of them? | 18:04 |
| cbx33 | nope | 18:05 |
| cbx33 | I've only added my own index.html into the assets | 18:05 |
| cbx33 | and compiled the apk package | 18:06 |
| AlanBell | fine, so basically be clear about what precisely is in it | 18:10 |
| AlanBell | read the licenses too | 18:10 |
| cbx33 | AlanBell, I have done | 18:10 |
| AlanBell | and keep your own copies of the sources | 18:10 |
| cbx33 | just wanted to confirm with someone else that has read them | 18:10 |
| cbx33 | meaning? I don't need to release the sources? | 18:11 |
| AlanBell | keep an archive version of the precise release you are using | 18:11 |
| AlanBell | unminified | 18:11 |
| cbx33 | oh....of jquery you mean? | 18:12 |
| AlanBell | yeah, and probably the other | 18:12 |
| cbx33 | ok | 18:12 |
| cbx33 | so the Actual source | 18:13 |
| cbx33 | not just he libs that they created | 18:13 |
| cbx33 | s/he/the | 18:13 |
| AlanBell | yeah | 18:13 |
| cbx33 | ok | 18:13 |
| cbx33 | I did read that | 18:13 |
| cbx33 | what isd that for exactly? | 18:13 |
| cbx33 | sorry for my ignorance | 18:14 |
| cbx33 | my fist time releasing somethin like this | 18:14 |
| AlanBell | if someone asks for it you don't want to depend on the jquery website being up | 18:14 |
| cbx33 | ahhh | 18:14 |
| cbx33 | ok | 18:14 |
| AlanBell | or keeping that version etc | 18:15 |
| cbx33 | so who "would" ask me for it | 18:15 |
| AlanBell | nobody | 18:15 |
| cbx33 | hehh | 18:15 |
| cbx33 | and i can sell it? (not that I'm wanting to) | 18:15 |
| AlanBell | sure | 18:16 |
| cbx33 | cool | 18:16 |
| cbx33 | and i don't have to provide access to any source? | 18:16 |
| cbx33 | under Apache license and MIT? | 18:16 |
| AlanBell | you can do that regardless of the license you are using for your code | 18:16 |
| AlanBell | not for your stuff with those licences | 18:17 |
| cbx33 | for their stuff? | 18:17 |
| cbx33 | do i have to link to their sources? | 18:17 |
| cbx33 | and i know YANAL | 18:18 |
| AlanBell | it would be nice to credit them | 18:18 |
| cbx33 | of course i will | 18:18 |
| cbx33 | and include their licenses | 18:18 |
| cbx33 | but j=was just wondering about links to source | 18:18 |
| cbx33 | GPL you have to right? | 18:18 |
| AlanBell | depending on how tight the integration is, probably | 18:19 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 18:19 |
| cbx33 | in case you are wondering it's an app to help people learn Regex | 18:19 |
| cbx33 | and has a javascript based tester | 18:20 |
| cbx33 | and a regex dictionary | 18:20 |
| AlanBell | nice | 18:20 |
| ali1234 | is learning regex really a useful thing in this day and age? | 18:22 |
| cbx33 | I would say most definitely | 18:22 |
| cbx33 | i use it at least several times a month | 18:22 |
| cbx33 | been doing a lot of work on splunk recently and it is essential if you want to pull out custom fields and cool information | 18:23 |
| ali1234 | i have no idea what that is | 18:23 |
| ali1234 | i find regexp is always either overkill or inadequate for the task | 18:24 |
| cbx33 | well I'll be honest, I love it | 18:26 |
| cbx33 | if you have a huge log file with ip addresses scattered around | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | i only really know a small amount of regexp syntax but it's enough, except when i'm trying to figure out a regexp written by someone else | 18:26 |
| cbx33 | regex for me is the easiest way to find them :) | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | yeah... that's the thing though | 18:27 |
| ali1234 | "find all the IPs in this arbitrarily formatted text blob" isn't really something i need to do often | 18:27 |
| cbx33 | nope | 18:27 |
| cbx33 | as a sysadmin, it's a task we do a fair amount | 18:27 |
| ali1234 | nearly always there is some kind of format to the input | 18:28 |
| cbx33 | (as an example) and things like this.....take the output of the ping command and create an average of the latency | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | and exploiting that is usually easier than trying to make a perfect regexp | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | especially if it's html/xml | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | yeah... you know ping outputs averages right? | 18:28 |
| cbx33 | I said it was an exmaple | 18:28 |
| cbx33 | but you could have a running average :) | 18:28 |
| cbx33 | every second | 18:29 |
| ali1234 | mtr | 18:29 |
| cbx33 | I know, I know bad example | 18:29 |
| cbx33 | I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO SAY THAT !!! | 18:29 |
| cbx33 | :p | 18:29 |
| ali1234 | this is it - there's things regexp is good at... bt nobody does them in the real world :) | 18:29 |
| cbx33 | we do for quick jobs :) | 18:31 |
| cbx33 | "get me some stats on that compute grid within the next 3 hours" - I don't mess about with documentation generally | 18:32 |
| cbx33 | I just get the stats | 18:32 |
| cbx33 | :) | 18:32 |
| ali1234 | for quick jobs i use python | 18:32 |
| * cbx33 too | 18:34 | |
| cbx33 | regex in python | 18:34 |
| cbx33 | bbl | 18:36 |
| cbx33 | thanks AlanBell | 18:36 |
| BigRedS | I do things requiring regexes all the time | 18:57 |
| BigRedS | well, I say 'requiring', sometimes it's easier to use a regex someone else has already written... | 18:57 |
| jacobw | logcheck requires regular expressions :) | 19:01 |
| jacobw | like, hundreds of them | 19:01 |
| Azelphur | what's the deal with channel registration on freenode? | 19:04 |
| Azelphur | Is there any way to transfer an OS easily onto a different sized drive? | 19:59 |
| MartijnVdS | just dd and resize partitions afterwards | 20:01 |
| MartijnVdS | ext* and btrfs can resize online | 20:01 |
| Azelphur | cool :) | 20:01 |
| MartijnVdS | well | 20:01 |
| MartijnVdS | grow, not shrink | 20:01 |
| Azelphur | you can't dd a mounted partition right? | 20:02 |
| directhex | you can't but don't expect much joy the next time you mount it | 20:06 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 20:06 |
| ali1234 | remount it readonly | 20:17 |
| soreau | I usually just use cp -a | 20:26 |
| Azelphur | soreau: hehe, was wondering if cp -a would work, does that get grub too? | 20:27 |
| soreau | Azelphur: No, just for copying linux from one partition to another | 20:27 |
| Azelphur | ah :) | 20:27 |
| soreau | I usually always plan to reinstall grub at leat | 20:27 |
| soreau | least* | 20:27 |
| soreau | maybe for transferring to another drive, dd is better | 20:28 |
| soreau | but I haven't done that | 20:29 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 20:29 |
| Azelphur | wat https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/July/2012-07-25-214240_1501x526_scrot.png | 20:43 |
| Azelphur | how does that even work | 20:43 |
| Azelphur | /dev/sdb1 is not 6.4GB at all, yet the OS seems to think so. | 20:44 |
| * Azelphur nudges soreau with that one :p | 20:44 | |
| Azelphur | where are all the smart people hiding, I need saving from whatever on earth that problem is :P | 20:52 |
| * Seeker` thinks Azelphur should go back to 'how to plug in an Arduino without blowing it up' | 20:54 | |
| Azelphur | noes. | 20:54 |
| Azelphur | LOL, two different drives in the same machine with the same mount point | 20:57 |
| * Seeker` claps for Azelphur | 21:01 | |
| Azelphur | xD | 21:01 |
| popey | :) | 21:02 |
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| christel | czajkowski: The Boy says that he looks forward to seeing Naura and the Chickens(!) | 21:15 |
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| GaryLittlemore | Hi all, anyone able to tell me how I can change my device name in 12.04? | 21:37 |
| Azelphur | GaryLittlemore: you mean the hostname? | 21:40 |
| GaryLittlemore | in System Settings> Details> it says Device Name but mine is greyed out. | 21:41 |
| Azelphur | yea that's hostname | 21:42 |
| Azelphur | I think you can do sudo hostname <new name> | 21:43 |
| Azelphur | and that'll change it | 21:43 |
| * directhex moos | 21:48 | |
| * Azelphur counter moos | 21:50 | |
| * brobostigon meeps | 21:51 | |
| Azelphur | I'm thinking about getting some water slide decal paper and decorating my PC, might be fun | 21:52 |
| GaryLittlemore | Doing sudo hostname <new name> has changed something, but not what I wanted to change | 22:00 |
| Azelphur | :( | 22:01 |
| bigcalm | Ahoy | 22:14 |
| popey | ahoy indeed | 22:54 |
| czajkowski | mATIE! | 22:58 |
| bigcalm | Hazar | 23:00 |
| bigcalm | There is life in here | 23:00 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| bigcalm | Maybe it's time for sleepies | 23:06 |
| * bigcalm slithers away | 23:07 | |
| AlanBell | hi all | 23:19 |
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