[00:00] <JamesTait> And then in the morning, when I wake up, sometimes I feel like death warmed up, and then I understand why I need more sleep.
[00:02] <christel> bless
[00:03] <christel> you are mad <3
[00:05] <JamesTait> I'm aware of this fact, and quite comfortable with it.
[00:05] <christel> hehe
[00:06] <christel> WELL, i shall go sleep for both of us! you stay up debugging things m'dear <3
[00:06] <JamesTait> Time for a reboot anyway. :)
[00:06] <JamesTait> 'night all!
[00:06] <JamesTait> Sleep well christel. :)
[00:06] <christel> thank you, and yooou!
[00:06] <JamesTait> Oh, I will. :)
[03:57] <directhex> http://www.l4d.com/coldstream/
[06:27] <christel> gooood morning :)
[06:40] <jacobw> morning
[06:45] <christel> morning jacobw \o, TheOpenSourcerer \o
[06:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all
[06:59] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[07:06] <diplo> Morning all
[07:07] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[07:08] <diplo> How are you this fine morning brobostigon ?
[07:08] <diplo> Cycled in this morning \o/
[07:09] <brobostigon> diplo: not so hot, still unwell, but alot to do today, so pain killers and perservierence. and you?
[07:10] <diplo> Just a little tired from the cycle, not far but the heat is already a killer out there
[07:10] <brobostigon> yes.
[07:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> purlese don't complain about it being hot & sunny.
[07:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> We don't want to go back to three months of rain now do we?
[07:11] <brobostigon> i will complain TheOpenSourcerer, as it wreacks my eczema.
[07:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Isn't the humidity good for it?
[07:12] <brobostigon> it certains stops it from drying out, yes, but not excessivly like this, because then i sweat, and it becomes very irritated.
[07:15] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer: Not complaining, just saying
[07:15] <diplo> I love this weather
[07:15] <brobostigon> also, when there is heat like this, my skin tends get more infection.
[07:15] <diplo> Apart from watching The Dark Knight last night in cinema with no aircon!!!!
[07:17] <christel> i for one am very much welcoming the weather!
[07:18] <christel> my tomato plants are most happy \o/
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> Tomato plants are carnivorous
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/6727709/Tomatoes-can-eat-insects.html
[07:18] <christel> !
[07:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Even my chilli plants have started to grow...
[07:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[07:19] <christel> :D
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> and it's not even chilly!
[07:22] <diplo> christel: Beer and sunbathing the job for today again ?
[07:22] <christel> diplo: ah i wish!
[07:22] <christel> i think i have to do some Real Work today :(
[07:22] <diplo> heh
[07:22] <diplo> Main reason I've cycled today is to go out for a huge lunch, cycle 4-5 miles along canal, have lunch and cycle back
[07:22] <christel> :D
[07:23] <diplo> Maybe a pint or two
[07:23] <christel> i approve of this plan!
[07:23] <diplo> I've just remembered one flaw in my plan :/
[07:23] <christel> oh no :(
[07:23] <diplo> I need to pick my dad up later to take him to get his car from the garage, not sure he'd like my handlebars :D
[07:23] <christel> hahaha
[07:23] <christel> <3
[07:24] <christel> "oops"
[07:24]  * directhex moos
[07:25] <diplo> Blimey, your keen directhex, saw you online at the 4am mark ?
[07:25] <diplo> Or was that a wakeup call from the young one ?
[07:25] <christel> i might mow the lawn before i start work
[07:27]  * diplo really needs his done.
[07:27] <diplo> May force myself to stay at home tonight just to do it.
[07:28] <christel> it is one of my least favourite things to do!
[07:28] <diplo> And mine!
[07:28] <christel> but if i leave it any longer i suspect i'd need a scythe :)
[07:28] <diplo> Also need to trim the bushy things
[07:28] <christel> ah i got a Man out to trim my hedge and weed my beds the other week.. (because i can't tell the difference between weeds and Good Plants)
[07:31] <MartijnVdS> Can anyone confirm this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/1028772
[07:31]  * TheOpenSourcerer strimmed and mowed on Saturday :-) Front garden now looks something like this: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/instantupload/5755403322243260578
[07:31] <MartijnVdS> Repeatedly pressing Ctrl+H while watching a video with totem shrinks the video
[07:33] <christel> TheOpenSourcerer: your garden looks most tidy!
[07:33] <christel> :)
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: that links to my instantupload pics?
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> or maybe I'm not in the right circles :)
[07:34] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:34] <ali1234> no it links to my instant upload pics etc
[07:34] <christel> MartijnVdS: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wp_yr2_zaD8/T-OI2ACgZuI/AAAAAAAACy8/dTF_kc8HyUo/w497-h373/20120618_080744.jpg try that one
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> ooh very tidy
[07:40] <christel> mm i am ever so slightly envious
[07:40] <christel> my garden is full of TOYS
[07:40] <christel> and tall grass...
[07:49] <diplo> MartijnVdS: I had a similar issue, it was because google had logged me out.
[07:49] <diplo> Logged in, link worked fine
[07:50]  * directhex moos again
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> diplo: I'm still logged in -- I get _my_ private "instant upload" page
[07:54] <diplo> yeah, that's odd :/
[08:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Potentially worrying development http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-inks-patent-deal-with-service-provider-using-linux-servers-7000001498/ Be nice to know what the background to this is? What are the patents? Why did Amdocs roll over and take it like that?
[08:01] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, naming patents destroys their power
[08:01] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, the aim is to keep things vague
[08:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> I agree, but presumably Amdocs didn't  just go "Oh we do infringe some of your patents? Sorry. How much do you want then?"
[08:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> B&N Argued the toss and ended up getting money from MS!
[08:03] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, "you could pay patent insurance for £X, or we could tell you which patents in the court filings for 176 x £X, your call"
[08:05] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:05] <christel> morning bigcalm :)
[08:06] <bigcalm> christel: being greeted by you is a good way to start the day
[08:06] <christel> haha
[08:06] <christel> <3
[08:07]  * AlanBell is off to the Olympics Opening Ceremony later
[08:07] <jacobw> directhex: patents are like Voldemort?
[08:08] <bigcalm> AlanBell: good luck!
[08:09] <bigcalm> Something keeps killing mysqld on my bytemark server. But I can't work out what. Nothing in mysql's logs or syslog
[08:09] <bigcalm> Anybody with other ideas?
[08:09] <DJones> AlanBell: I thought it was Friday
[08:09] <directhex> jacobw, yes. worse than that, if you violate a patent unknowingly the penalty legally is X, if you check to see whether you violate any patents first and decide "no" or "yes but i don't care" (there's no legal difference between those two) then it's much higher than X. it's legally safer not to know whether you violate patents
[08:09] <AlanBell> DJones: ah, but special people get to go today
[08:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> jacobw: Software Patents approved in the USA are mostly stupid. Patents in general are not a bad idea, as long as they really do protect "Inventions"
[08:09] <DJones> Heh
[08:10] <DJones> AlanBell: So you were the person G4S employed for security
[08:10] <jacobw> directhex: /o\
[08:10] <bigcalm> Hehe
[08:10] <christel> haha
[08:11] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, patents are a limited government-granted monopoly. like copyrights, the terms should only be a couple of years in this millennium, not getting longer
[08:12] <brobostigon> i think headwear would be a good idea today.
[08:13] <diplo> bigcalm: Issue with resources is the only thing I'd have a guess at ?
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Pharmaceutical Co.s who spend billions and tens of years developing new drugs are the kind of area where patents are relevant. Not for some blokes idea to make a tablet with rounded corners.
[08:14] <bigcalm> diplo: 31GB of space available
[08:14] <diplo> I meant mem/cpu
[08:14] <popey> morning
[08:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> lo popey
[08:14] <christel> i hate patents, with a passion
[08:14] <christel> (though this might be because the ones i come across are ridiculously complicated)
[08:15]  * popey might have lunch in the park in farnham today
[08:15] <bigcalm> diplo: mysqld is currently taking 14% of the system's memory, but that's because I've just started it back up
[08:15] <bigcalm> Morning popey!
[08:15] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer, there's still wifi on the bandstand isnt there?
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> If not, there's always 3G
[08:15]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders if there is not a suitable park in Farnborough for popey
[08:15] <popey> nah, its just that the kids are going there
[08:16] <popey> thought I'd go along
[08:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: I have no idea. Is there?
[08:16] <popey> http://www.farnham.gov.uk/life/news/article/325.html
[08:16] <diplo> bigcalm: Looked into whether mysql can log it's processes more verbosely ?
[08:16] <bigcalm> diplo: server isn't under any real load: 0.02, 0.06, 0.06
[08:16] <diplo> Just having a quick google now
[08:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice. TY popey
[08:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> I will remember that.
[08:17] <bigcalm> diplo: thing is I never know when it actually dies. It's one of my parents' friends that emails me when their site stops working
[08:17] <christel> oh pretty neat, i didn't know that
[08:17] <popey> thats one of the reasons we had the geeknic around it at oggcamp
[08:17] <diplo> nagios and monitor it?
[08:17]  * bigcalm goes to camp in Farnham
[08:18] <christel> hehe
[08:18] <bigcalm> diplo: I guess so. Never used nagios before though :)
[08:19] <bigcalm> popey: I had no idea about the free wifi for the geeknick. Needs more publicising
[08:20] <AlanBell> popey: yes, the free wifi in gostrey meadow works great
[08:24] <jacobw> bigcalm: does upstart restart the process?
[08:25] <bigcalm> jacobw: it's meant to I guess
[08:28] <christel> bah today appears to be one of those days where my mug is leaking.. it keeps being empty :(
[08:32] <directhex> Mark Zuckerberg, the man who some believe has done more to erode privacy than anyone else, has been awarded his first ever patent … for privacy. Patent #8,225,376 limits what users reveal online by implementing a privacy policy on their status updates and profile information.
[08:32] <directhex> \o/
[08:33]  * daubers wonders if he can patent a method of protecting the revenue stream for commonly implimented technologies
[08:36] <jacobw> hehe
[08:42] <diplo> bigcalm: Sorry was on the phone
[08:42] <diplo> Can give you a hand if you want to set it up
[08:45] <bigcalm> Wow, it doesn't look simple to setup :)
[08:45] <diplo> It's actually quite simple tbh
[08:45] <diplo> It's just a pain for the first time to look at it :)
[08:45] <bigcalm> Ok :)
[08:46]  * bigcalm stops googling for howtos
[08:47] <diplo> basically on initial install you will have a localhost.cfg in /etc/nagios/objects ( I think )
[08:47] <diplo> and nagios.cfg in /etc/nagios
[08:47] <diplo> So copy localhost and call it mysql-mums.cfg or something
[08:47] <freckle> bigcalm: If you are going to start using Nagios then nagstamon is a great little app fpr the desktop
[08:47] <diplo> then edit nagios.cfg to load the new cfg
[08:47] <bigcalm> freckle: this is for a VPS
[08:48] <diplo> And restart nagios
[08:48] <diplo> that's about as simple as it needs to be, you can make it a lot more involved :)
[08:48] <freckle> bigcalm: yes, it sits on your desktop and alerts you when there is an issue reported by your nagios
[08:48] <bigcalm> I see
[08:48] <BigRedS> bigcalm: there's also the Nagios firefox plugin
[08:49] <BigRedS> I used nagstamon for a bit but it was much more prone to random behaviour than the plugin
[08:49] <diplo> Either install nagios nrpe or use check_by_ssh
[08:49] <bigcalm> nagios3 from the repositories?
[08:49] <BigRedS> also, anag on android seems brilliant
[08:49] <diplo> Yep bigcalm
[08:49] <bigcalm> Ta
[08:49] <diplo> sh-3.2$ /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_by_ssh -H 192.168.1.16 -landy -C uptime
[08:49] <diplo> heh
[08:50]  * diplo is actually playing atm
[08:50] <freckle> never had an issue with nagstamon
[08:50] <freckle> there is a plugin for mysql in nagios.. use it to check status of replication
[08:51] <bigcalm> It's just installed samba :|
[08:52] <freckle> bigcalm: better to complile from source for that very reason
[08:52] <bigcalm> Too late :D
[08:52] <diplo> Nooooo don't compile from source!
[08:53] <diplo> I really don't understand why people still do, not worth the hassle
[08:53] <freckle> diplo: it's callled freedom :)
[08:54] <diplo> Thinking of all the services i monitor and all the servers i monitor, I've never bothered with mysql.. guess we haven't had any issues
[08:54] <diplo> Yeah, also a PITA :)
[08:54] <freckle> diplo: not for me
[08:55] <popey> bigcalm, I'd recommend OpsView over nagios
[08:55] <freckle> when you have a bunch of mysql with 2 way replication and queries per second in the high 100's you want to monitor
[08:55] <diplo> Not compiled anything for everyday use since Qmail for mail server many years ago
[08:56] <diplo> yeah that's a different usercase i guess
[08:56] <diplo> I would think about it then as well, but generally I'd advise most people to install from repos for stuff like this.
[08:56]  * bigcalm grumbles at computers
[08:57] <bigcalm> popey: reasons?
[08:57] <popey> easier to configure
[08:57] <popey> its based on nagios
[08:58] <freckle> you could write your own monitoring system like we did at work with SNMP ;)
[08:58] <diplo> Also Icinga, Web2.0 style.. also based on nagios
[08:59] <diplo> That's what we used to do before Nagios and something beginning with C that I've forgotten
[08:59] <diplo> perl scripts and snmp modules
[09:00] <diplo> Centreon
[09:01] <BigRedS> "perl scripts and snmp modules" roughly describes Nagios :)
[09:02] <diplo> heh, pretty much yeah.. not sure whether we hadn't heard of it or what before
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[09:02] <diplo> I suggested Nagios after seeing a supplier and them offering us WhatsUp Gold ? Maybe for like 20k
[09:04] <christel> GOOD MORNING JamesTait \o/
[09:05] <oimon> maclaren buggy company won't send me a spare part (a screw) to fix my buggy. the consequence is that i buy a dodgy one off ebay - what's worse?
[09:06] <JamesTait> christel: o/
[09:06] <gord> the buggy has a bug?
[09:06] <oimon> yes :(
[09:07] <christel> :(
[09:07] <diplo> Gaffer tape oimon, it fixes all!
[09:07] <oimon> they say i have to get it fixed by a repair centre. it's a flipping screw!
[09:07] <christel> haha
[09:07] <oimon> how can i get to the repair centre without a working buggy
[09:08] <diplo> My friends 58 plate S-Max's bumper is held together with it at the moment whilst our MD decides how he wants to procede, now been two months
[09:08] <diplo> :D
[09:09] <nja> Hello
[09:09]  * bigcalm gives up and gets on with work
[09:09]  * nja wonders if people actually speak in this IRC
[09:10] <diplo> nah we are all bots here
[09:10] <diplo> Hi nja
[09:10] <diplo> :)
[09:10]  * BigRedS types
[09:10] <christel> irc is for being quiet ;)
[09:10] <BigRedS> actually, of late, that is a lie
[09:10] <BigRedS> but sometimes I type
[09:10] <diplo> Most of are at work I guess, so responses vary
[09:10] <nja> So, what are we all doing?
[09:10] <diplo> Working.... sorta kinda like :)
[09:11] <nja> suuuuure... "Working"
[09:12] <christel> hehe
[09:13] <christel> counting down till lunch time!
[09:13] <christel> ;)
[09:13] <diplo> Well I have about 8 terminals open, it *looks* like I'm working at least + typing into a console for IRC makes it all the more believable
[09:13] <christel> ;)
[09:14] <diplo> 4 of those terminals are for my own machines doesn't come into it :D
[09:14] <nja> So, what happens in Ubuntu UK?
[09:15] <christel> sometimes we talk about ubuntu, sometimes we talk about beer, sometimes we drink beer and talk about ubuntu and sometimes we make fun of bigcalm
[09:15]  * christel nods
[09:15] <jacobw> diplo: I have to work with WhatsUp Gold
[09:15] <nja> @christel sound, erm fun...
[09:15] <bigcalm> christel: don't you mean bigclam?
[09:16] <christel> bigcalm ;)
[09:16] <bigcalm> I should put that on highlight really
[09:16] <bigcalm> Just for you, christel :P
[09:16] <christel> yes!
[09:16] <christel> it is almost christmas, why hasn't AlanBell arranged a christmas do yet!
[09:16] <bigcalm> Very good question
[09:17] <nja> Does Ubuntu UK do any actual IRL meets, or is it all IRC?
[09:17] <gord> don't say it is almost christmas... it just was christmas
[09:17] <bigcalm> nja: re recently went on the RAT and drank lots of ale
[09:17]  * jacobw processes these statements
[09:17] <bigcalm> About 12 of us in our group
[09:17] <christel> nja: we do stuff irl yes -- we always do stuff when its release day and we have random social gatherings (geeknics, pub visits, meals etc)
[09:18] <christel> this saturday there's an ubuntu-uk bbq in farnham (surrey)
[09:18] <christel> :)
[09:18] <nja> :D
[09:18] <jacobw> nja: There's also a mailing list and a podcast
[09:18] <bigcalm> I wonder if there should be a mini-event in September...
[09:18] <nja> What happens in the Aylesbury branch, because that's the only one I can get to.
[09:19] <directhex> sadly aylesbury is aylesbury
[09:19] <christel> i'm not sure whether there are (m)any social events in bucks tbh -- though i am sure we could do a happy hour there!
[09:19] <nja> hmm. OK
[09:20] <bigcalm> !opsview
[09:20] <bigcalm> !info opsview
[09:20] <bigcalm> :(
[09:21] <nja> How do I see what events are coming up?
[09:21] <bigcalm> nja: join the mailing list is one option :)
[09:21] <christel> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ will usually also list them
[09:21] <bigcalm> nja: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk is another option
[09:21] <nja> Ah, that looks legit.
[09:22] <bigcalm> More specifically: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk/events
[09:22] <bigcalm> Though not all events get posted there for some reason :|
[09:22] <AlanBell> anyone can post stuff there
[09:22] <AlanBell> who is a member of the launchpad team
[09:23] <bigcalm> Remember that nobody is paid to do this :D
[09:23] <nja> Where is this Launchpad team and how hard is it to join?
[09:24] <christel> nja: the url bigcalm posted, you just need to create a launchpad account :)
[09:25] <nja> @christel Wouldn't it be on the launchpad website
[09:25] <nja> @christel Wouldn't it be on the launchpad website?
[09:25] <nja> Found it!
[09:25] <bigcalm> Create a launchpad account and then you can join ubuntu teams
[09:25] <bigcalm> The magic of the Single Sign On :D
[09:26] <nja> I already have a launchpad account, so that's fine.
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> Shingle Shine On
[09:26] <nja> Hmm, one that LastPass seems to have the wrong password for.  Dammit.
[09:26] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: channelling Sean Connery?
[09:27] <nja> OooOo iCal feed.
[09:29] <nja> So, what programming languages do we do here?
[09:29] <nja> Me: Java, PHP, HTML, JavaScript, Python, MySql, Used to do C (Kinda forgotten it...)
[09:30] <gord> Spectrum BASIC
[09:30] <daubers> gord: \o/
[09:30] <daubers> Spectrum BASIC was the king of all BASIC
[09:31] <daubers> ANyone who thinks BBC BASIC was can take it outside for a round of fisticuffs
[09:31] <gord> i wish my keyboard was setup like the spectrum, so you could press a key and it would put in the entire command
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> GW-BASIC!
[09:32] <nja> Only Britain...  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2178173/Train-drivers-ordered-stop-Olympic-Park-decrepit-overhead-cables-installed-1950s-cope-heat.html
[09:32] <nja> Mainly the last bit
[09:34] <nja> Twenty Twelve need to do another series.
[09:35] <freckle> nja: I really think that.
[09:36] <Twinkletoes> Good morning :)
[09:37] <nja> Back to Ubuntu stuffs: "You are here because Launchpad uses the Launchpad Login Service."
[09:37] <nja> No kidding
[09:37] <Twinkletoes> Creating public/private key pair.  How does ssh know what file name to use for the private key?
[09:38] <directhex> Twinkletoes, id_rsa.pub for pubkey, id_rsa for private
[09:38] <Twinkletoes> directhex: Yeah... thank you... but how does ssh know that?
[09:39] <Twinkletoes> directhex: Sorry, I've just found it... man ssh
[09:39] <Twinkletoes> directhex: I was previously looking in man sshd_config DUH!
[09:39] <nja> Woop!  LaunchPad has now let me join Ubuntu UK! :D
[09:40] <christel> most kind of launchpad! ;
[09:40] <christel> ;)
[09:41] <nja> Irony,  Ubuntu UK mailing list only supports English (USA)...
[09:44] <christel> hehe
[09:45] <nja> bye
[09:45] <christel> bye bye nja
[09:46] <diplo> Sorry jacobw, got stuck on the phone. And you like it ? ( Whats up Gold )
[10:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:02] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: still with the old car :(
[10:02] <bigcalm> Boo
[10:02] <bigcalm> You're getting impatient about a new toy
[10:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: indeed, it's driving me nuts now I know the money has left my account
[10:03] <bigcalm> Should have gone there and paid by debit card
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> cash!
[10:04] <christel> hehe
[10:04] <christel> yes! in coins
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> 2p ones
[10:04] <directhex> not legal tender.
[10:04] <christel> yeah! i'm with MartijnVdS
[10:04]  * christel nods
[10:04] <christel> aw
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> 2p coins aren't legal tender?
[10:05] <directhex> 10 2p coins are legal tender
[10:05] <directhex> 11 or more are not
[10:05] <directhex> http://www.royalmint.com/aboutus/policies-and-guidelines/legal-tender-guidelines
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> weird :)
[10:05]  * bigcalm wants to see a 11p coin
[10:05] <bigcalm> Oh, I miss-read
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: they don't HAVE to accept, but they could accept it :)
[10:06] <diplo> directhex: I never knew that
[10:06] <davmor2> bigcalm: you filled in your form for tonight, and don't forget it ;)
[10:06] <diplo> I've done it on multiple occasions ( especially when I was younger and trying to afford to smoke )
[10:06] <bigcalm> davmor2: I printed it off when I got Ron's email
[10:06] <bigcalm> Dated 18th
[10:06] <bigcalm> Now the trick is not to forget it
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> pound coins are more fun anyway
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> heavier ;)
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> directhex: and they're valid for any amount :)
[10:08] <davmor2> bigcalm: fill it in and put it in your car now!
[10:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: the fact that I said dated 18th indicated that I had filled it in
[10:10] <christel> oh did it now
[10:10] <christel> :o
[10:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: no it indicates that you 1. have a computer in front of you 2. have the ability to tell the date of an email 3. still doesn't indicate it is filled in :D
[10:10] <bigcalm> Bah :P
[10:10] <bigcalm> christel: it did in my mind
[10:14] <christel> :P
[10:16] <diplo> directhex: just saw your tweet about SS3 on steam, well I'm now defo interested!
[10:17]  * diplo likes a bit of Serious Sam
[10:18] <directhex> i got a bit bored, 66% of the way through... but supporting games on linux is very important to me
[10:18] <directhex> it's how i got into linux in the first place
[10:18] <bigcalm> They did a 3rd game?!
[10:18] <diplo> Doing*
[10:18] <dogmatic69> lol, I thought evolution was broken
[10:18] <bigcalm> \o/
[10:18] <gord> they also remade the first two
[10:18] <diplo> Released sometime this year
[10:18] <gord> but the third game added iron sights so i'm not interested
[10:18] <dogmatic69> turns out they just finished the unity integration properly
[10:18] <diplo> yeah bought them in *HD* gord :)
[10:18] <bigcalm> gord: aye, I have the HD versions for both
[10:19] <gord> don't say HD :P
[10:19] <gord> its a pc game, i was running the originals HD
[10:19] <diplo> heh
[10:19] <directhex> er, 4th game
[10:19] <directhex> serious sam the first encounter, serious sam the 2nd encounter, serious sam 2, serious sam 3
[10:20]  * bigcalm scratches his head
[10:20] <directhex> bigcalm, gta, gta2, gta3, gta:vc, gta:sa, gta4!
[10:20] <bigcalm> directhex: good point
[10:20] <directhex> windows 7 is windows version 6.1 :D
[10:22] <directhex> serious sam games did traditionally get linux ports
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> Wasn't XP 5.1?
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> and 95 4?
[10:23] <directhex> http://liflg.org/torrents/serious.sam.tfe_1.05beta3-english-2.run.torrent for SS:TFE installer, http://liflg.org/torrents/serious.sam.tse_1.07beta1-english-2.run.torrent for SS:TSE, http://liflg.org/torrents/serious.sam2_2.070beta2.1-multilanguage.dvd.run.torrent for SS2
[10:23] <directhex> MartijnVdS, correct on both counts!
[10:24] <directhex> xp 64-bit was 5.2 though
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> hence the tons of incompatibilities?
[10:24] <directhex> yes. 5.2 is the server 2003 version number, so most apps checking the version would refuse to install on a "server os"
[10:24]  * MartijnVdS has new shininess: https://plus.google.com/100189567362844794281/posts/ERNWNmFK96W
[10:25] <directhex> win7 was numbered 6.1 so any apps checking for vista support (6) would work
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> There was some legal reason for a Windows version number
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> was it NT 3.51 or 4?
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> Something about a "3"-version of Windows and IBM
[10:26] <nja> poor you, I'm back...
[10:27] <directhex> scrollback doesn't suggest i should feel overly upset
[10:27] <christel> hehe
[10:28] <christel> welcome back nja :)
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> Ni-Nja?
[10:28] <nja> @MartijnVdS Some people call me ninja.  Can't think why...
[10:29] <nja> @ tags are still visible to everyone right?#
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> tags?
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> everything you say is visible
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> muahaha
[10:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> any sql gurus in da 'ouse?
[10:31] <nja> OK,  just making sure I am replying correctly
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: ask away
[10:31] <nja> I speak SQL @TheOpenSourcerer
[10:31] <nja> Now that I did tag wrong
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> nja: natively?
[10:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> I need some advice on joins etc.
[10:32] <BigRedS>  you speak SQL *at* him? Poor TheOpenSourcerer
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> nja: just mention people's names, it's not Twitter :)
[10:32] <BigRedS> :)
[10:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Might need to do some patebining
[10:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> hang on.
[10:32]  * MartijnVdS hangs on
[10:32] <nja> @MartijnVdS WHAT?!?
[10:32] <nja> Not Twitter!
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ @ nja
[10:32] <nja> It's what my IRC client likes best so I'll obey it.
[10:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> This http://paste.ubuntu.com/1109867/ gets me a list of records that I want.
[10:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have another table which has a column called related_to that has some records (more than one) that will match the crmid values. How do I write the correct join statement?
[10:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> When I try I end up with millions of rows of dupes ;-(
[10:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> The query above returns about 2.5k rows
[10:35] <nja> Never tried joins before so I wouldn't trust my advice if I were you.
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: so you want the records from the other table, or just the ones from vtiger_crmentity that are referred to?
[10:36] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: I don't do much SQL, but how are you expecting it to know which related_to it wants you to match up with teh first table?
[10:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> I want the list of records in table2 that have an id in the related_to column that matches a value in the result of my first query.
[10:37] <jacobw> nja: Does your IRC client replace 'jacobw' with '@jacobw'?
[10:37] <jacobw> nja: Where do get the @ from
[10:37] <nja> @jacobw No, it just highlights it with ther person's colour.
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: SELECT columns_you_want FROM second_table s JOIN first_table f ON (s.related_to = s.id) WHERE s.field = 'some_value' AND ...
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> nja: strange client is strange ;)
[10:38] <nja> @MartijnVdS Smuxi is only in beta. ;)
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: you have to prefix column names with "s." or "f." depending on which table you want to get them from
[10:39] <nja> Can someone else do an @ tag for me?
[10:39] <nja> So I can see hwat it looks like.
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> @moo
[10:39] <nja> With an actual person please...  Not me cause it does something else for that.
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> But.. nobody does that!
[10:40] <nja> D:
[10:42] <nja> @TheOpenSourcerer What project are you working on?
[10:42] <bigcalm> That's like asking everybody to stop using email and start using Google Wave
[10:42] <nja> @bigcalm It was a good idea!
[10:42] <nja> Just terribly executed
[10:43] <oimon> further to my previous comments about my buggy, do people think i might get better customer service via twitter than email?
[10:43] <oimon> email people said no.
[10:43] <bigcalm> oimon: twitter is more public
[10:43] <bigcalm> No company wants bad press
[10:43] <oimon> i replied to email people again. will wait for response
[10:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: Thanks. That appears to be doing something sensible. It was the JOIN ON (blah = blah) that I hadn't groked. Cheers
[10:44] <oimon> the uk twitter people are in UK , hence nicer :D
[10:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> nja
[10:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> nja: vtiger CRM
[10:45] <nja> TheOpenSourcerer: posh...
[10:45] <nja> See happy, I didn't use the @ sign
[10:46] <nja> woah woah woah woah, Vtiger is Open Source, with a free trial. ???
[10:46] <nja> See you all later, 2nd last day of holiday and I'm going to go swimming now :D
[10:47]  * directhex moos once more
[10:47] <bigcalm> I'm guessing young?
[10:47] <bigcalm> No adult has that much excitement within IRC
[10:50] <bigcalm> popey: you came back!
[10:50] <popey> i did
[10:50] <christel> magic
[10:50]  * popey is in gostrey park
[10:50] <gord> i like that bigcalm disproved his theory instantly
[10:50] <bigcalm> popey: how do I completely remove an app from an iOS device? If I try to reinstall an app, it reloads with cached data
[10:50] <davmor2> popey: what not enough abuse the first time came back for some more ;)
[10:50] <bigcalm> gord: I'm no adult :P
[10:51] <popey> bigcalm, no idea
[10:51] <bigcalm> Bah
[10:52] <bigcalm> That's something Android does without hassle
[10:52] <bigcalm> :P
[10:52] <popey> well, why are you reinstalling an app?
[10:52] <bigcalm> Because it's in development
[10:52] <popey> i haven't had the problem of having cached data retained
[10:53] <popey> maybe the developer is storing the data incorrectly :)
[10:53] <bigcalm> Ho hum :|
[10:57]  * popey notes the x220 screen works quite nicely in the shade
[10:58] <diplo> bigcalm: Not an iOS man, but no option like Android to manage apps and clear data etc in app settings ?
[10:59] <gord> tried to use mine in the sun yesterday, didn't go well
[10:59] <gord> ended up being hot to the touch but didn't overheat though
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> It's not a Sun, it's a Lenovo.
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> hence the problem.
[11:00]  * popey is under a tree
[11:01]  * BigRedS wants a sun laptop
[11:01] <bigcalm> Ding ding ding ding
[11:01] <bigcalm> Lunch time!
[11:01]  * bigcalm goes for a horrifyingly lazy Maccy D's
[11:02] <diplo> I'm off for a cycle shortly for a Boatmans ( big breakfast meal ) not sure it's a good idea yet
[11:02] <diplo> :D
[11:02]  * popey has picnic
[11:03]  * czajkowski steals popey picnic 
[11:03] <christel> mmmpicnic
[11:03] <christel> :)
[11:03] <popey> i now have 3 picnics
[11:03] <christel> how very greedy of you!
[11:03] <popey> people keep arriving in the park, leaving their stuff near me and going off to play
[11:05]  * davmor2 believe popey is really just yogi bear in disguise 
[11:05] <popey> i am indeed smarter than the average popey
[11:10] <czajkowski> could everyone please go me too on zee bug of todays irritation :)
[11:10] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1028862
[11:11] <AlanBell> popey: you at the meadow still?
[11:13] <popey> ya
[11:13] <popey> be here for an hour or so
[11:14] <popey> czajkowski, confirmed now
[11:14] <popey> oh, mpt did it :(
[11:14] <christel> czajkowski: hoi. are you guys staying in farnham on saturday? or going back?
[11:15] <christel> if you're staying we shoud lunch or something on sunday as it would appear the passport office have no intention of delivering david's passport today :)
[11:22] <oimon> wow, firefox is still awful
[11:22] <oimon> hangs, freezes, slowness
[11:23] <oimon> went to this page and froze the whole browser hard http://www.petri.co.il/host-drs-affinity-rules-vsphere-4-1.htm
[11:26] <BigRedS> oimon: allegedly, this is frequently down to add-ons
[11:26] <BigRedS> someone was saying that the leakiness of an add-on is roughly proportional to its popularity, which sounds incredibly sub-optimal
[11:26] <oimon> yeah, the firefox web browser one :P
[11:26] <oimon> i only have a couple
[11:26] <BigRedS> I did find a huge leap in performance when I disabled mine
[11:27] <BigRedS> yeah, I had three. Web-dev, firebug and nagios. Disabling all of them suddenly made FF act as if it were a modern browser
[11:27] <oimon> the performance is one thing, hard crashes are another
[11:27] <oimon> adblock?
[11:27] <BigRedS> I didn't have it installed, but that's a biggie for leakiness
[11:27] <oimon> i just have adblock plus and ubuntu firefox modifications
[11:27] <oimon> it's just a pile of poo
[11:28] <oimon> and those millinos of pounds they get
[11:28] <BigRedS> disable adblock plus, I bet it gets better
[11:28] <oimon> :-\
[11:28] <oimon> adblock plus is the essential feature of the browser
[11:29] <BigRedS> I don't need it
[11:29]  * BigRedS shrugs
[11:29] <oimon> wow
[11:29] <oimon> i wish i could read articles without having to put a piece of paper in the way to stop the flashing ads
[11:29] <BigRedS> I don't think there's any site I visit with any degree of regularity with ads like that
[11:30] <BigRedS> Though, generally, my laziness means that if I need to reconfigure my browser to make a website work I'll just not use that website
[11:32] <czajkowski> christel: going back saturday night
[11:32] <christel> ah ok
[11:32] <Pendulum> christel: I had a response about what I thought of the passport office not sending David's passport and then I realised I couldn't say it here ;-)
[11:33] <christel> haha
[11:33] <christel> <3 Pendulum
[11:33] <Dave2> Pendulum: you did better than me
[11:33] <christel> i need to call the airline i suspect and do the whole "lol i wont be flying yet, change my tickets please" thing
[11:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: Moreati is coming in on Thursday
[11:42] <oimon> i guess not many of you are facebook users, but if i am friends with someone who likes a certain company, then if that company sends sponsored status updates, *I* see those updates!
[11:42] <oimon> i.e. inserting advertising into my feed, not just his
[11:42] <oimon> this is the end for facebook
[11:44] <popey> i just hide them
[11:45] <bigcalm> davmor2: good show
[11:49] <oimon> can't hide them on your phone though
[11:49] <oimon> does anyone know what a rivet rollover tool is?
[11:50]  * bigcalm realises that he's returned from lunch too early. Time for some gaming
[12:00] <bigcalm> Oh I do love how Psyconauts just crashes out now and then
[12:01] <bigcalm> And there's no in-game music
[12:01] <bigcalm> And some projects don't work
[12:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: you need to play limbo
[12:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: I have, 3 times
[12:02] <gord> games ported to linux rarely get any QA at all unfortunately
[12:02] <gord> if it works on the devs system, ship it
[12:03]  * bigcalm eyes davmor2
[12:03] <gord> psychonauts is a good 7 years old by now too, which doesn't help
[12:04] <christel> i have ants in my hair :(
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> Are you antsy about it?
[12:05] <bigcalm> christel: well if you will try to impersonate an ant eater :S
[12:05] <christel> MartijnVdS: very :P
[12:05] <christel> bigcalm: pfft :P
[12:06] <christel> all i did was lie down in the grass for half an hour
[12:06] <christel> and then they all came flocking :(
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> Maybe they thought you were sweet? :P
[12:06] <christel> oh but i am! :P
[12:13] <davmor2> christel: but your a raging ball of fury you can't be sweet too :D
[12:13] <christel> oh i forgot yes, i am always angry :(
[12:13]  * christel stomps feet
[12:14] <davmor2> christel: tut fancy forgetting that :)  anyway stomping your feet will shake the ants lose :D
[12:14] <christel> good thinking! :D
[12:19] <gord> i have no idea why it took me so long to figure out that it might be a good idea to setup a upnp media server on my phone
[12:21] <popey_> stupid free wifi
[12:22] <gord> damn y ou free wiiifiii
[12:37] <BigRedS> Is there a way to invoke crontab such that I can pass it a file to install as the new crontab for a user?
[12:37] <BigRedS> I want an sftp-only user to be able to set cronjobs up
[12:37] <bigcalm> sudo -u bob crontab bobs_cronjobs.txt
[12:37] <bigcalm> (untested, may or may not work)
[12:42] <BigRedS> ah! it does!
[12:42] <BigRedS> why didn't I think of that
[12:42] <bigcalm> Yay :)
[12:44] <bigcalm> Why can I never remember this? What's the command to empty stale emails from the mailq?
[12:45] <nja> Hello again
[12:47] <bigcalm> exim -bp | awk '/^ *[0-9]+[mhd]/{print "exim -Mrm " $3}' | bash
[12:47] <bigcalm> That seems a little ott
[12:47] <bigcalm> Surprised that there isn't one command to delete everything
[12:48] <nja> rm * ?
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> no.
[12:50] <nja> Tiny and Big: Grandpa's Leftovers Soundtrack FTW!
[12:52]  * gord eats some more japanese candy that tastes like potato
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> candy.. that tastes like potato..
[12:55] <nja> Delicious!
[13:01] <BigRedS> bigcalm: it depends on the mailer, but most are inelegant
[13:01] <bigcalm> BigRedS: true
[13:02] <bigcalm> Maybe it's to safe guard against dropping the whole queue
[13:03] <bigcalm> Ack
[13:03] <bigcalm> The site I'm working on has just emailed me in plain text my new password that I changed via its forgotten password system
[13:03]  * bigcalm shakes fist at insecurity
[13:03] <diplo> Well that was lovely ride and lunch apart from the last mile
[13:04] <diplo> All up hill in this heat!
[13:04] <diplo> :(
[13:04] <bigcalm> This is what gives PHP a bad name :(
[13:04] <diplo> And OMG how many half naked ladies !
[13:04] <bigcalm> diplo: showers during work hours are the best :D
[13:04] <diplo> Forgot to bring a towel unfortunatly, will rectify tomoorw
[13:05] <bigcalm> You have a shower at work?
[13:05] <bigcalm> More work places should do that
[13:05] <christel> i am soaking wet :(
[13:05] <christel> my sister decided to start a waterfight!
[13:05] <diplo> yeah it's much better than my shower at home as well
[13:05] <diplo> should use it more often
[13:05] <bigcalm> christel: yay \o/
[13:05] <diplo> lol christel, I have 2 young boys for that
[13:06]  * bigcalm strikes an item of his to-do list. Such a lovely feeling
[13:06] <christel> i submerged her in the toddler's paddling pool after
[13:06] <christel> and when she has dried up i intend to get the hosepipe out!
[13:08] <diplo> Good girl
[13:08] <diplo> :)
[13:10]  * christel nods
[14:08] <bigcalm> This silence is deafening
[14:08] <popey> shhh
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/63/The_Silent.tif/lossy-page1-250px-The_Silent.tif.jpg ?
[14:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: I know it always goes quiet when you are doing stuff
[14:11] <bigcalm> My fault for being busy
[14:18] <bigcalm> mrevell: 3 of us are confirmed for Thursday. Will you make that 4?
[14:20] <davmor2> mrevell: go on make it 4 you know you want to
[14:34] <bigcalm> davmor2: As we're at the range until 9pm, does anybody bother to go to a pub afterwards?
[14:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: nope the nearest pub is a dive and nobody should ever drink there :)
[14:35] <bigcalm> Hehe
[14:35] <mattt> bigcalm: what kind of range?
[14:35] <bigcalm> That's fair enough :)
[14:35] <davmor2> mattt: shooting
[14:35] <mattt> eww
[14:35]  * mattt /parts #ubuntu-tx
[14:36] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:36] <bigcalm> Not really my thing
[14:36] <bigcalm> But I've not done it before, so giving it a go
[14:36] <bigcalm> I like archery
[14:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: oh god you're gonna love it dude
[14:36] <bigcalm> Much more civilised
[14:37] <popey> \o/ the kids have caught a fish
[14:37] <bigcalm> popey: in minecraft?
[14:37] <popey> hah
[14:37] <popey> in real life
[14:37] <popey> Big Blue RoomCraft
[14:37] <popey> someone should make that game
[14:37] <popey> it would be very dull
[14:43] <bigcalm> Sounds it
[14:43] <bigcalm> Well done to your kids :)
[14:44] <davmor2> popey: wait till they find out it's tea :D
[14:44] <popey> hah
[14:45] <popey> light tea!
[14:45] <MartijnVdS> lighttpd?
[14:45] <christel> popey: chrisjrob has instructed me to liase with you about Some Server
[14:45] <christel> GOOD TIMING CHRISTEL
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> ("Security, speed, compliance, and flexibility -- all of these describe lighttpd (pron. lighty)")
[15:01] <BigRedS> pron?
[15:01] <BigRedS> oh!
[15:02] <Myrtti> bwak bwak
[15:02] <bigcalm> Jello!
[15:03] <christel> BWAK BWAK
[15:03] <Myrtti> hello UK
[15:03] <christel> HELLO PRETTYFINN
[15:06]  * TheOpenSourcerer has a minty choc-ice :-)
[15:06] <AlanBell> choochoo
[15:07] <christel> alan the tank engine.
[15:07] <AlanBell> ooh myrtti, have you arrived?
[15:07] <nja> Hi AlamBell
[15:07] <christel> alarmbell!
[15:07] <nja> I hear you're quite important here
[15:07] <christel> that is so your new nickname
[15:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> skinheadbell
[15:08] <AlanBell> nja, hehe, no I am just persistent
[15:09] <nja> @AlamBell ;)
[15:09] <nja> wait what
[15:09] <nja> new nickname?
[15:10] <nja> Yay for Spotify Adverts!
[15:10] <christel> nja: i'm just being daft ;)
[15:10] <Myrtti> AlanBell: I have!
[15:10] <christel> but did she bring any lingonberry jam?!
[15:10] <christel> er cloudberry jam even
[15:10] <nja> @christel isn't that all we do here?
[15:10] <christel> nja: good point
[15:11] <christel> or any REINDEER?
[15:11] <christel> HRM HRM
[15:11] <nja> No Spotify.  Not Lil Wane, Rhianna OR Niki Minaj.  (I know I spelt that wrong)
[15:12] <nja> And DEFFINATELY NOT RAP!
[15:12] <nja> sorry, offtopic
[15:12] <Myrtti> christel: both can br bought from Ikea, I save my luggage kilograms for my books
[15:12] <christel> ooo do they have cloudberry jam?!
[15:12] <christel> i know they have lingonberry
[15:12] <Myrtti> I think so
[15:12] <christel> but i'venot spotted cloudberry
[15:12] <nja> wait wait wait, am I in the brony chat by acciden
[15:12] <christel> 15:45 :: Quit: popey (~alan@ubuntu/member/popey) [Quit: back in a bit]
[15:12] <christel> 15:45  (christel) popey: chrisjrob has instructed me to liase with you about Some Server
[15:13] <Myrtti> atleast tjats where my sister buys some
[15:13] <christel> nja: yes my little pony.
[15:13] <nja> How popular is Bronyism in Ubuntu UK?
[15:13] <christel> oh very
[15:13]  * christel nods
[15:14]  * nja brohoof
[15:14] <nja> no?
[15:14] <christel> <3
[15:14] <christel> i like you, you're funny :)
[15:14] <nja> Strange post to follow...
[15:15] <christel> hahaha
[15:15] <jacobw> nja: on topic is relative in #ubuntu-uk
[15:15] <nja> @jacobw Clearly
[15:16] <oimon> bronyism and arch linux are just figments of the imagination
[15:17] <DJones> AlanBell: Hope you haven't got your phone as a wifi hotspot in the olympic venues, you'll get thrown out
[15:17] <nja> @DJones Really?!
[15:17] <nja> The Olympics is going way too far
[15:18] <DJones> nja: Yep, personal wifi hotspots are banned items
[15:18] <jacobw> Wow, I've just looked up 'Bronyism'
[15:18] <DJones> I thought it was something to do with the Bronte sisters
[15:18] <nja> My friends seem to have all become bronies...
[15:18] <jacobw> DJones: it's so much worse
[15:19] <nja> @jacobw +1
[15:19] <oimon> it's not real
[15:20] <nja> Why can't Spotify just play GOOD music?
[15:20] <nja> I've almost maxed out on the
[15:20] <oimon> i've got google music just playing good music
[15:20] <nja> ... The Who, Dunderpatrullen
[15:20] <nja> @oimon You have to buy the music for that
[15:20] <jacobw> f(x) = good
[15:20] <oimon> nja, yep
[15:21] <nja> I don't want to pay money, that's kinda why I am using Spotify
[15:21] <jacobw> Unfortunately, that function has never been discovered
[15:21] <nja> Grooveshark is buggy and the legality is debatable
[15:22] <jacobw> Perhaps you should kick the ass of a Phillippino torrent site
[15:22] <nja> Sounds legal
[15:23] <jacobw> I won't tell, I promise :P
[15:23] <nja> That's it Spotify, I'm going to YouTube where I can play Teddybears again.
[15:24] <jacobw> i have an idea for a t-shirt
[15:24] <jacobw> "i'm not slacking off, my packets are capturing"
[15:24] <simondbull> jacobw: hahaha
[15:24] <jacobw> for network people :)
[15:25] <nja> @jacobw I'm ashamed with my self that I didn't get that :(
[15:26] <jacobw> run `sudo tcpdump -n -i wlan0 host freenode.net`
[15:26] <jacobw> you'll see a description of each packet transmitted between your wlan0 and freenode
[15:27] <nja> OK, if I remember when I next use ubuntu
[15:27] <nja> This computer
[15:27] <nja> runs
[15:27] <nja> WINDOWS!
[15:27] <nja> dum dum duuuuuuuuummmmmm.
[15:27] <jacobw> unfortunately, some do
[15:27] <simondbull> nja: Controversial!
[15:27] <nja> :D
[15:28] <nja> Windows 8 will spark an Ubuntu revolution
[15:29] <nja> at least I hope
[15:30] <jacobw> windows is a much OS now than it was even 5 years ago
[15:30] <jacobw> much better OS even
[15:30] <nja> Now, new topic time
[15:30] <jacobw> the improvement of windows correlates with it's increasing adoption of open standards
[15:31] <nja> Anyone here familiar with Slick-2D?
[15:31] <jacobw> no, what is it?
[15:31] <nja> Java libraries for 2D games
[15:31] <nja> OK, fine
[15:32] <nja> It's been 2 hours and still now response on my StackOverflow post D:
[15:32] <jacobw> is there some reason why you have to use java?
[15:32] <nja> @jacobw OS support mainly
[15:34] <nja> I can do Python too
[15:34] <nja> PyGTK3
[15:36] <jacobw> :)
[15:37] <jacobw> i think unity3d is quite popular
[15:37] <jacobw> directhex knows more about game development
[15:37] <directhex> snuh?
[15:38] <jacobw> i'm sure i've read about unity3d on your blog
[15:38] <directhex> you have.
[15:38] <directhex> what's the topic?
[15:39] <jacobw> nja, where's your stackoverflow post?
[15:39] <nja> I'm not too fond of Unity
[15:39] <nja> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11650540/
[15:40] <nja> @jacobw ^
[15:40] <directhex> trying to think of how many 2d java games i've seen lately
[15:40] <directhex> there was freecol, but that's about it
[15:41] <nja> @directhex I suck at 3D currently
[15:41] <directhex> well the only 3d java anyone knows or cares about is minecraft :p
[15:41] <jacobw> minecrack
[15:41] <nja> @directhex That's why everyone is learning Java all of a sudden
[15:41] <directhex> lol
[15:42] <directhex> yeah, because lwjgl isn't a blight upon the earth or anything]
[15:43] <jacobw> most of my development work is text processing, i like python very much :)
[15:44] <nja> @jacobw I'll tell you what we haven't had for a long time; Text based adventure games.
[15:44] <directhex> zork zork zork
[15:44] <nja> I knew someone would do that
[15:45] <diplo> nja: Quite a few still running around the www
[15:45] <diplo> Bryan Lunduke from LAS runs one i think
[15:45] <directhex> MUDs!
[15:45] <diplo> yah
[15:45] <directhex> (and MUSHes and MOOs)
[15:45] <nja> @diplo Do you think it is possible to make a AAA text based game?
[15:45] <diplo> One of my mates used to, not sure if it's still up
[15:45] <directhex> my wife used to play a discworld mud
[15:45] <directhex> nja, impossible.
[15:46] <nja> ASCII ART!
[15:46] <directhex> nja, AAA refers to the marketing budget more than anything else, and nobody will spend an AAA budget on a text adventure's marketing
[15:46] <nja> True
[15:47] <nja> Although the London Olympics seem to be doing everything wrong
[15:47] <diplo> http://www.topmudsites.com/forums/mudinfo-ajandurah.html
[15:47] <diplo> Thats my mates mud
[15:47] <diplo> Probably still got ssh/source access, couldn't get into it myself
[15:48] <nja> [1] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1110355/
[15:48] <popey> I'm melllltiiiing
[15:48] <nja> poor you
[15:49] <nja> Enjoy the sun while it lasts
[15:49] <davmor2> popey: stop pooring water on yourself then
[15:49] <popey> nja, the ifcomp runs every year
[15:50] <popey> new text adventures 'interactive fiction'
[15:50] <nja> and how do I pronounce your name?
[15:50] <nja> poo-py
[15:50] <davmor2> popey: if it helps I just opened the window as the sun has just come round to this side of the flat :)
[15:50] <nja> or po-pey
[15:50] <popey> poh-pee
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> peau-pee
[15:51] <nja> nah, prefer the first one.
[15:51] <gord> poh-pee-po? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0-2lzA7_Cg
[15:51] <davmor2> nja: pop-eye he really likes that.
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: proof: http://vandestreek.net/~martijn/lolpopey.jpg
[15:52] <nja> @gord Why did you send that!
[15:52] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: wow
[15:52] <popey> thats freaky
[15:52] <davmor2> popey: that's you
[15:52] <gord> because i have all the best links? they bring all the boys to the yard, and i'm like, its better than yours, i can teach you - but i have to charge
[15:53] <popey> hah
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: he did steal your focus, didn't he? :)
[15:53]  * nja facepalm
[15:53]  * diplo wonders if I should change my mind for Saturday
[15:53] <diplo> Scary!
[15:54] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:54] <nja> :D
[15:54] <nja> http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/ZZ0SA/secret-of-the-magic-crystals
[15:55] <christel> diplo: to come or not to come?!
[15:55] <diplo> ooer missus!
[15:55] <diplo> :P
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> christel: based on the popey pic, I think
[15:55] <christel> haha
[15:56] <gord> don't worry, popey is harmless
[15:56] <gord> yes his eyes steal your soul, but you don't need it
[15:56] <davmor2> diplo: just hide behind christel and the angers will cancel each other out :D
[15:56] <diplo> right, time to cycle home :( then shower and make my way to the pub \o/
[15:57] <diplo> heh
[15:57]  * christel nods
[15:57] <diplo> Suppose I better harass AlanBell for an address tomorrow
[15:57] <nja> @diplo and then program some more?
[15:57] <diplo> Nope, then drink more beer, then a little more, maybe some food @ the pub
[15:57] <diplo> The a book, then sleep!
[15:57] <nja> @diplo fun evening
[15:57] <diplo> then a book*
[15:58] <diplo> Not sure the wallet can take it yet, but if I don't look it doesn't matter does it ?
[15:58] <diplo> :P
[15:58] <bigcalm> !oggcamp
[15:58] <bigcalm> ...
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> heh
[15:58] <diplo> I bid you all good evening
[15:58] <bigcalm> That could do with fixing
[15:58] <bigcalm> Taaraa diplo
[15:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: no you just need to build a time machine
[15:59] <bigcalm> That's the easy option?
[15:59] <christel> diplo: \o/
[15:59] <christel> diplo: i am going to bake a CAKE
[16:00] <christel> (and i am going to make my uber amazing caramelised onion potato salad!)
[16:00] <christel> and maybe some other magical things
[16:00] <christel> because i'm sweet like that!
[16:00] <popey> lubotu3, no oggcamp is <reply> is a two day unconference on August 18th/19th 2012 - see http://oggcamp.org/
[16:00] <popey> or something
[16:00] <davmor2> christel: uber amazing caramelised onion potato salad CAKE! EEEWWWWWWWW
[16:00] <christel> davmor2: hahaha
[16:00] <christel> no, the cake will be all summery and full of BERRIES
[16:00] <christel> :P
[16:01] <christel> (and vanilla cream omnom!)
[16:02]  * daubers wonders why he can't get onto the work server
[16:03] <davmor2> daubers: well it's probably in a rack surrounded by other servers preventing access to the top of it in order to get on it :)
[16:03] <bigcalm> "End of Vendor Support -Cisco CSS Load Balancer". Would be nice if my client had a clue and responded to hosting tickets from Rackspace
[16:03] <daubers> davmor2: I suspect too much porn being downloaded in the office
[16:03] <nja> @daubers or Pirateboxing
[16:04] <bigcalm> Anybody else using Rackspace and their Cisco load balancer?
[16:04] <davmor2> nja: wow pirates box, I thought they just got drunk and brawled
[16:06] <nja> @davmor2 while downloading tons of MP3s and Keygens
[16:09] <nja> bye all, noms time
[16:23] <KungFuPanda> hi guys, how to change webuser to be www-data instead of apache ?
[16:23] <KungFuPanda> I do not why my webuser become apache?
[16:24] <KungFuPanda> anything upload by user from browser will own by apache
[16:25] <dogmatic69> KungFuPanda: stop using a lamp package
[16:25] <BigRedS> KungFuPanda: it's in the apache2 config file
[16:26] <KungFuPanda> ha ?
[16:26] <BigRedS> 'user' and 'group' directives
[16:26] <dogmatic69> sudo apt-get install apache2 :)
[16:26] <KungFuPanda> is that the reason ? :-D our server still using apache ? not apache2 ?
[16:27] <KungFuPanda> damn I just log into our server, that is why I can not find apache2ctl
[16:27] <BigRedS> no, the old apache package used www-data, too
[16:27] <BigRedS> but just edit the config
[16:27] <BigRedS> if you reinstall you're boudn to lose some other config you're already reliant upon. But, in general, it's a good idea to just use the apache out of the repos
[16:28] <BigRedS> it's generally best to use everything out of the repos
[16:28] <KungFuPanda> I try cat /etc/passwd, I can not find www-data user
[16:28] <BigRedS> then you'll need to add one
[16:28] <BigRedS> it'll only be created for you if you've installed the repo-supplied apache
[16:28] <BigRedS> if you've something custom-built then there's no reason for that user to exist
[16:30] <KungFuPanda> ok thanks, all right, the problem is current user upload a image from browser, which own by apache, and I want to preview it from browser, but no permisson to view it, any idea ?
[16:31] <KungFuPanda> the whole upload folder full access 777, only the file 600
[16:34] <BigRedS> so the file is uploaded by apache and lands owned by apache:apache, and then apache comes along and cannot serve it to you?
[16:34] <BigRedS> I assume there's nothing in the Apache config to prevent it?
[16:36] <KungFuPanda> yes, after image uploaded, I got a preview link in the same page, but I just can not view the image from browser
[16:36] <BigRedS> if you su to 'apache' can you cd to the directory containing the image and then run file on it?
[16:36] <KungFuPanda> I should be able to see it right ? even the file owned by apache:apache
[16:36] <BigRedS> that'll check apache has enough filesystem permissions to get there
[16:37] <BigRedS> is all this code running as the same site? Is it all in the same language?
[16:37] <KungFuPanda> the same site, the same language
[16:37] <BigRedS> it's not _that_ unusual for PHP to be run through mod_php as 'apache' and CGI to be suexeced to your user in some shared environments, for example
[16:37] <BigRedS> ah, cool
[16:37] <BigRedS> yeah, can apache su there?
[16:37] <BigRedS> er, cd
[16:40] <KungFuPanda> su apache,
[16:40] <KungFuPanda> This account is currently not available.
[16:41] <jacobw> what?
[16:41] <jacobw> su actually says that?
[16:41] <KungFuPanda> yes
[16:41] <bigcalm> If it's a debian/ubuntu machine, it'll be www-data. Not apache
[16:41] <BigRedS> bigcalm: he said earlier it's apache and there is no www-data user
[16:41] <bigcalm> Ah, sorry :)
[16:42]  * bigcalm goes back to work
[16:42] <BigRedS> haha
[16:42] <BigRedS> KungFuPanda: try specifying a shell
[16:42] <BigRedS> su - apache -s /bin/bash
[16:43] <jacobw> debianized apache is much more friendly than the redhat distribution
[16:44] <bigcalm> Aye, the login might be set to /bin/false or nologin
[16:44] <BigRedS> yeah, redhatites tend to complain that debianised apache is patronising
[16:44] <BigRedS> I think they'd prefer it all in one massive file with no comments
[16:45] <jacobw> my problem is that they have do have a massive file with configuration sprinkled between endless comments
[16:46] <KungFuPanda> I do not know that the system is runing,
[16:46] <KungFuPanda> cat /etc/passwd
[16:46] <KungFuPanda> got this:
[16:46] <KungFuPanda> apache:x:48:48:Apache:/var/www:/sbin/nologin
[16:46] <BigRedS> jacobw: ah yeah. I've had that problem with dovecot recently
[16:47] <BigRedS> I'm slowly replacing all our multi-KB dovecot.confs with my 11-line one...
[16:47] <bigcalm> Use chsh to change the shell of the apache user
[16:48] <jacobw> BigRedS: yeah, dovecot as well :)
[16:49] <KungFuPanda> damn, I do not know the apache password
[16:49] <BigRedS> KungFuPanda: there probably isn't one
[16:49] <bigcalm> Indeed
[16:49] <BigRedS> become root before suing to apache
[16:49] <bigcalm> Use sudo chsh
[16:49] <BigRedS> then you wont need one
[16:49] <nja> Hello again all.  I'm back to annoy you all.
[16:49] <BigRedS> oh, or that
[16:49] <bigcalm> Or sudo su - apache
[16:50] <jacobw> sudo -u apache
[16:50]  * BigRedS defers to the proper way of doing it
[16:50] <bigcalm> I think you might have to change the shell of the apache user before you can su to it
[16:51] <BigRedS> yeah, or supply a shell
[16:51] <BigRedS> sudo su apache -s /bin/bash
[16:57] <KungFuPanda> ok, sudo su apache -s /bin/bash , this one works
[16:57] <KungFuPanda> I can go into that folder and see the file
[16:58] <KungFuPanda> as apache user
[16:58] <BigRedS> cool
[16:58] <BigRedS> so there's no filesystem reason why Apache can't read that
[16:58] <BigRedS> and so there must be something in teh apache config stopping it
[16:59] <BigRedS> and that's harder to debug :)
[16:59] <BigRedS> what is the path to the file, out of interest?
[16:59] <KungFuPanda> I found it, damn, I am stupid, the url wrong
[16:59] <BigRedS> frequently, /var/www and /home/*/public_html are the only permitted places
[16:59] <BigRedS> ah!
[16:59] <bigcalm> :D
[16:59] <KungFuPanda> thanks all
[16:59] <BigRedS> haha!
[16:59] <KungFuPanda> thank you guys , have a nice evening
[16:59] <bigcalm> Enjoy
[16:59] <bigcalm> Weee, 6pm
[16:59] <bigcalm> Almost
[17:00] <christel> \o/
[17:00] <christel> SIX PEE EMME
[17:00] <bigcalm> Maybe now?
[17:00] <christel> oh yes
[17:00] <bigcalm> \o/
[17:03] <davmor2> Ahhhhhhhhhhh I'm telling christel said PEE
[17:03] <bigcalm> And it's time for the chippy before going to play with guns
[17:04] <bigcalm> Toodles for now :)
[17:04] <jacobw> wb nja
[17:04] <nja> :D
[17:05] <nja> Thinking of making a new Spotift playlist
[17:05] <christel> hahaha
[17:05] <nja> "Songs that shouldn't exist"
[17:06] <jacobw> i spent some of sunday making a ringtone from seconds 10 to 40 of regret by new order
[17:06] <nja> Parry Gripp time :D
[17:06] <nja> wow I'm sad
[17:09] <nja> Wow and now I am listening to an Orchestra version of the MLP:FiM theme and Levels (Avicii)
[17:10] <nja> great...
[17:14] <nja> For those who care:
[17:14] <nja> http://open.spotify.com/artist/6Okl9534IVWQRRsJamiuJ7
[17:15] <nja> Is what I am listening
[17:15] <nja> to
[17:19] <jacobw> i like 'burn notice', it's like a spy drama and a con drama in the show
[17:20] <awilkins> Also like the way they explain things. And Gabrielle Anwar isn't hideous.
[17:21] <jacobw> i've just learnt that thermite has a surface temperature of 1000C
[17:21] <awilkins> Melty.
[17:21] <jacobw> which seems arbitrarily precise to me, but nevermind :)
[17:26] <nja> @jacobw I liked Burn Notice, but the series' never really went anywhere.  Has it changed much?
[17:26] <jacobw> i'm at s1e9 right now
[17:27] <nja> @jacobw watching on DVD?
[17:27] <awilkins> S2 has a bit more arc. And that blonde cyborg from BSG (Tricia Helfer)
[17:27] <nja> @jacobw or pirating?
[17:27] <awilkins> And the nice old policeman from Frasier (old policeman guy)
[17:28] <jacobw> watchseries.eu is helpful
[17:29] <nja> @jacobw ha
[17:29]  * jacobw puts fraiser on the 'to watch' list
[17:29] <nja> @nja how legal is that site anyway?
[17:29] <nja> wait
[17:29] <nja> I @ed myself
[17:29] <nja> must be getting too late
[17:29] <nja> @jacobw ping for above^
[17:29] <awilkins> /me looks
[17:30] <jacobw> i'm not a lawyer
[17:30] <nja> @jacobw Also this chat is publically archived
[17:31] <jacobw> i know that is
[17:31] <nja> OK, well I'm not buying the DVD for Chuck series 5
[17:32] <nja> @jacobe Also add Chuck to watchlist
[17:32] <nja> @jacobw Also add Chuck to watchlist
[17:32] <jacobw> will do :)
[17:32] <nja> Hillarious geek drama :P
[17:33]  * JamesTait is done for today.
[17:33] <JamesTait> 'night all!
[17:33]  * JamesTait waves
[17:33] <jacobw> yeah, i've watched all episodes of the big bang theory
[17:33] <jacobw> o/ JamesTait
[17:34] <nja> @jacobw who hasn't
[17:34] <nja> The Big Band Theory is epic!
[17:34] <nja> Chuck Season 5 will probably come onto my Cable TV on demand thing in September so I can probably wait.
[17:35] <jacobw> the problem is that i watch it and think the things that sheldon are good
[17:35] <jacobw> the things that sheldon does even
[17:36] <jacobw> is season 5 still running?
[17:37] <nja> of Chuck?
[17:37] <nja> It's aired in America
[17:37] <nja> Comming to UK on DVD in September
[17:38] <nja> OK, good night all
[17:38] <nja> It's late where I am (holiday)
[17:38] <jacobw> good night
[17:38]  * nja yawns and waves
[17:59] <jacobw> i think i'm getting RSI, my forearms twinge
[18:00] <cbx33> hey peeps
[18:00] <cbx33> anyone here good on licensing?
[18:01] <cbx33> been working on an android app
[18:01] <cbx33> using cordova and jquerymobile
[18:02] <cbx33> cordova is released using the Apache license, and jquerymobile is release dual license GPL + MIT
[18:02] <cbx33> I'm wondering what restrictions are imposed on me and what obligations I have
[18:02] <cbx33> I have read through the T=C
[18:03] <cbx33> but just wanted to confirm my thoughts with someone that knows a little more about licensing than I
[18:04] <AlanBell> cbx33 have you modified either of them?
[18:05] <cbx33> nope
[18:05] <cbx33> I've only added my own index.html into the assets
[18:06] <cbx33> and compiled the apk package
[18:10] <AlanBell> fine, so basically be clear about what precisely is in it
[18:10] <AlanBell> read the licenses too
[18:10] <cbx33> AlanBell, I have done
[18:10] <AlanBell> and keep your own copies of the sources
[18:10] <cbx33> just wanted to confirm with someone else that has read them
[18:11] <cbx33> meaning? I don't need to release the sources?
[18:11] <AlanBell> keep an archive version of the precise release you are using
[18:11] <AlanBell> unminified
[18:12] <cbx33> oh....of jquery you mean?
[18:12] <AlanBell> yeah, and probably the other
[18:12] <cbx33> ok
[18:13] <cbx33> so the Actual source
[18:13] <cbx33> not just he libs that they created
[18:13] <cbx33> s/he/the
[18:13] <AlanBell> yeah
[18:13] <cbx33> ok
[18:13] <cbx33> I did read that
[18:13] <cbx33> what isd that for exactly?
[18:14] <cbx33> sorry for my ignorance
[18:14] <cbx33> my fist time releasing somethin like this
[18:14] <AlanBell> if someone asks for it you don't want to depend on the jquery website being up
[18:14] <cbx33> ahhh
[18:14] <cbx33> ok
[18:15] <AlanBell> or keeping that version etc
[18:15] <cbx33> so who "would" ask me for it
[18:15] <AlanBell> nobody
[18:15] <cbx33> hehh
[18:15] <cbx33> and i can sell it? (not that I'm wanting to)
[18:16] <AlanBell> sure
[18:16] <cbx33> cool
[18:16] <cbx33> and i don't have to provide access to any source?
[18:16] <cbx33> under Apache license and MIT?
[18:16] <AlanBell> you can do that regardless of the license you are using for your code
[18:17] <AlanBell> not for your stuff with those licences
[18:17] <cbx33> for their stuff?
[18:17] <cbx33> do i have to link to their sources?
[18:18] <cbx33> and i know YANAL
[18:18] <AlanBell> it would be nice to credit them
[18:18] <cbx33> of course i will
[18:18] <cbx33> and include their licenses
[18:18] <cbx33> but j=was just wondering about links to source
[18:18] <cbx33> GPL you have to right?
[18:19] <AlanBell> depending on how tight the integration is, probably
[18:19] <cbx33> yeh
[18:19] <cbx33> in case you are wondering it's an app to help people learn Regex
[18:20] <cbx33> and has a javascript based tester
[18:20] <cbx33> and a regex dictionary
[18:20] <AlanBell> nice
[18:22] <ali1234> is learning regex really a useful thing in this day and age?
[18:22] <cbx33> I would say most definitely
[18:22] <cbx33> i use it at least several times a month
[18:23] <cbx33> been doing a lot of work on splunk recently and it is essential if you want to pull out custom fields and cool information
[18:23] <ali1234> i have no idea what that is
[18:24] <ali1234> i find regexp is always either overkill or inadequate for the task
[18:26] <cbx33> well I'll be honest, I love it
[18:26] <cbx33> if you have a huge log file with ip addresses scattered around
[18:26] <ali1234> i only really know a small amount of regexp syntax but it's enough, except when i'm trying to figure out a regexp written by someone else
[18:26] <cbx33> regex for me is the easiest way to find them :)
[18:27] <ali1234> yeah... that's the thing though
[18:27] <ali1234> "find all the IPs in this arbitrarily formatted text blob" isn't really something i need to do often
[18:27] <cbx33> nope
[18:27] <cbx33> as a sysadmin, it's a task we do a fair amount
[18:28] <ali1234> nearly always there is some kind of format to the input
[18:28] <cbx33> (as an example) and things like this.....take the output of the ping command and create an average of the latency
[18:28] <ali1234> and exploiting that is usually easier than trying to make a perfect regexp
[18:28] <ali1234> especially if it's html/xml
[18:28] <ali1234> yeah... you know ping outputs averages right?
[18:28] <cbx33> I said it was an exmaple
[18:28] <cbx33> but you could have a running average :)
[18:29] <cbx33> every second
[18:29] <ali1234> mtr
[18:29] <cbx33> I know, I know bad example
[18:29] <cbx33> I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO SAY THAT !!!
[18:29] <cbx33> :p
[18:29] <ali1234> this is it - there's things regexp is good at... bt nobody does them in the real world :)
[18:31] <cbx33> we do for quick jobs :)
[18:32] <cbx33> "get me some stats on that compute grid within the next 3 hours" - I don't mess about with documentation generally
[18:32] <cbx33> I just get the stats
[18:32] <cbx33> :)
[18:32] <ali1234> for quick jobs i use python
[18:34]  * cbx33 too
[18:34] <cbx33> regex in python
[18:36] <cbx33> bbl
[18:36] <cbx33> thanks AlanBell
[18:57] <BigRedS> I do things requiring regexes all the time
[18:57] <BigRedS> well, I say 'requiring', sometimes it's easier to use a regex someone else has already written...
[19:01] <jacobw> logcheck requires regular expressions :)
[19:01] <jacobw> like, hundreds of them
[19:04] <Azelphur> what's the deal with channel registration on freenode?
[19:59] <Azelphur> Is there any way to transfer an OS easily onto a different sized drive?
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> just dd and resize partitions afterwards
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> ext* and btrfs can resize online
[20:01] <Azelphur> cool :)
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> well
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> grow, not shrink
[20:02] <Azelphur> you can't dd a mounted partition right?
[20:06] <directhex> you can't but don't expect much joy the next time you mount it
[20:06] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:17] <ali1234> remount it readonly
[20:26] <soreau> I usually just use cp -a
[20:27] <Azelphur> soreau: hehe, was wondering if cp -a would work, does that get grub too?
[20:27] <soreau> Azelphur: No, just for copying linux from one partition to another
[20:27] <Azelphur> ah :)
[20:27] <soreau> I usually always plan to reinstall grub at leat
[20:27] <soreau> least*
[20:28] <soreau> maybe for transferring to another drive, dd is better
[20:29] <soreau> but I haven't done that
[20:29] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:43] <Azelphur> wat https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/July/2012-07-25-214240_1501x526_scrot.png
[20:43] <Azelphur> how does that even work
[20:44] <Azelphur>  /dev/sdb1 is not 6.4GB at all, yet the OS seems to think so.
[20:44]  * Azelphur nudges soreau with that one :p
[20:52] <Azelphur> where are all the smart people hiding, I need saving from whatever on earth that problem is :P
[20:54]  * Seeker` thinks Azelphur should go back to 'how to plug in an Arduino without blowing it up'
[20:54] <Azelphur> noes.
[20:57] <Azelphur> LOL, two different drives in the same machine with the same mount point
[21:01]  * Seeker` claps for Azelphur 
[21:01] <Azelphur> xD
[21:02] <popey> :)
[21:15] <christel> czajkowski: The Boy says that he looks forward to seeing Naura and the Chickens(!)
[21:37] <GaryLittlemore> Hi all, anyone able to tell me how I can change my device name in 12.04?
[21:40] <Azelphur> GaryLittlemore: you mean the hostname?
[21:41] <GaryLittlemore> in System Settings> Details> it says Device Name but mine is greyed out.
[21:42] <Azelphur> yea that's hostname
[21:43] <Azelphur> I think you can do sudo hostname <new name>
[21:43] <Azelphur> and that'll change it
[21:48]  * directhex moos
[21:50]  * Azelphur counter moos
[21:51]  * brobostigon meeps
[21:52] <Azelphur> I'm thinking about getting some water slide decal paper and decorating my PC, might be fun
[22:00] <GaryLittlemore> Doing sudo hostname <new name> has changed something, but not what I wanted to change
[22:01] <Azelphur> :(
[22:14] <bigcalm> Ahoy
[22:54] <popey> ahoy indeed
[22:58] <czajkowski> mATIE!
[23:00] <bigcalm> Hazar
[23:00] <bigcalm> There is life in here
[23:06] <bigcalm> Maybe it's time for sleepies
[23:07]  * bigcalm slithers away
[23:19] <AlanBell> hi all