[00:00] And then in the morning, when I wake up, sometimes I feel like death warmed up, and then I understand why I need more sleep. [00:02] bless [00:03] you are mad <3 [00:05] I'm aware of this fact, and quite comfortable with it. [00:05] hehe [00:06] WELL, i shall go sleep for both of us! you stay up debugging things m'dear <3 [00:06] Time for a reboot anyway. :) [00:06] 'night all! [00:06] Sleep well christel. :) [00:06] thank you, and yooou! [00:06] Oh, I will. :) [03:57] http://www.l4d.com/coldstream/ [06:27] gooood morning :) [06:40] morning [06:45] morning jacobw \o, TheOpenSourcerer \o [06:49] morning all [06:59] good morning everyone. [07:06] Morning all [07:07] morning diplo [07:08] How are you this fine morning brobostigon ? [07:08] Cycled in this morning \o/ [07:09] diplo: not so hot, still unwell, but alot to do today, so pain killers and perservierence. and you? [07:10] Just a little tired from the cycle, not far but the heat is already a killer out there [07:10] yes. [07:11] purlese don't complain about it being hot & sunny. [07:11] We don't want to go back to three months of rain now do we? [07:11] i will complain TheOpenSourcerer, as it wreacks my eczema. [07:11] Isn't the humidity good for it? [07:12] it certains stops it from drying out, yes, but not excessivly like this, because then i sweat, and it becomes very irritated. [07:15] TheOpenSourcerer: Not complaining, just saying [07:15] I love this weather [07:15] also, when there is heat like this, my skin tends get more infection. [07:15] Apart from watching The Dark Knight last night in cinema with no aircon!!!! [07:17] i for one am very much welcoming the weather! [07:18] my tomato plants are most happy \o/ [07:18] Tomato plants are carnivorous [07:18] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/6727709/Tomatoes-can-eat-insects.html [07:18] ! [07:18] Even my chilli plants have started to grow... [07:19] :-D [07:19] :D [07:19] and it's not even chilly! [07:22] christel: Beer and sunbathing the job for today again ? [07:22] diplo: ah i wish! [07:22] i think i have to do some Real Work today :( [07:22] heh [07:22] Main reason I've cycled today is to go out for a huge lunch, cycle 4-5 miles along canal, have lunch and cycle back [07:22] :D [07:23] Maybe a pint or two [07:23] i approve of this plan! [07:23] I've just remembered one flaw in my plan :/ [07:23] oh no :( [07:23] I need to pick my dad up later to take him to get his car from the garage, not sure he'd like my handlebars :D [07:23] hahaha [07:23] <3 [07:24] "oops" [07:24] * directhex moos [07:25] Blimey, your keen directhex, saw you online at the 4am mark ? [07:25] Or was that a wakeup call from the young one ? [07:25] i might mow the lawn before i start work [07:27] * diplo really needs his done. [07:27] May force myself to stay at home tonight just to do it. [07:28] it is one of my least favourite things to do! [07:28] And mine! [07:28] but if i leave it any longer i suspect i'd need a scythe :) [07:28] Also need to trim the bushy things [07:28] ah i got a Man out to trim my hedge and weed my beds the other week.. (because i can't tell the difference between weeds and Good Plants) [07:31] Can anyone confirm this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/1028772 [07:31] Ubuntu bug 1028772 in totem (Ubuntu) "Repeatedly hiding/showing the controls (Ctrl+H) shrinks the video display size" [Undecided,New] [07:31] * TheOpenSourcerer strimmed and mowed on Saturday :-) Front garden now looks something like this: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/instantupload/5755403322243260578 [07:31] Repeatedly pressing Ctrl+H while watching a video with totem shrinks the video [07:33] TheOpenSourcerer: your garden looks most tidy! [07:33] :) [07:34] TheOpenSourcerer: that links to my instantupload pics? [07:34] or maybe I'm not in the right circles :) [07:34] morning all [07:34] no it links to my instant upload pics etc [07:34] MartijnVdS: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wp_yr2_zaD8/T-OI2ACgZuI/AAAAAAAACy8/dTF_kc8HyUo/w497-h373/20120618_080744.jpg try that one [07:35] ooh very tidy [07:40] mm i am ever so slightly envious [07:40] my garden is full of TOYS [07:40] and tall grass... === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [07:49] MartijnVdS: I had a similar issue, it was because google had logged me out. [07:49] Logged in, link worked fine [07:50] * directhex moos again [07:52] diplo: I'm still logged in -- I get _my_ private "instant upload" page [07:54] yeah, that's odd :/ === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:01] aloha [08:01] Potentially worrying development http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-inks-patent-deal-with-service-provider-using-linux-servers-7000001498/ Be nice to know what the background to this is? What are the patents? Why did Amdocs roll over and take it like that? [08:01] TheOpenSourcerer, naming patents destroys their power [08:01] TheOpenSourcerer, the aim is to keep things vague [08:02] I agree, but presumably Amdocs didn't just go "Oh we do infringe some of your patents? Sorry. How much do you want then?" [08:03] B&N Argued the toss and ended up getting money from MS! [08:03] TheOpenSourcerer, "you could pay patent insurance for £X, or we could tell you which patents in the court filings for 176 x £X, your call" [08:05] Good morning peeps :) [08:05] morning bigcalm :) [08:06] christel: being greeted by you is a good way to start the day [08:06] haha [08:06] <3 [08:07] * AlanBell is off to the Olympics Opening Ceremony later [08:07] directhex: patents are like Voldemort? [08:08] AlanBell: good luck! [08:09] Something keeps killing mysqld on my bytemark server. But I can't work out what. Nothing in mysql's logs or syslog [08:09] Anybody with other ideas? [08:09] AlanBell: I thought it was Friday [08:09] jacobw, yes. worse than that, if you violate a patent unknowingly the penalty legally is X, if you check to see whether you violate any patents first and decide "no" or "yes but i don't care" (there's no legal difference between those two) then it's much higher than X. it's legally safer not to know whether you violate patents [08:09] DJones: ah, but special people get to go today [08:09] jacobw: Software Patents approved in the USA are mostly stupid. Patents in general are not a bad idea, as long as they really do protect "Inventions" [08:09] Heh [08:10] AlanBell: So you were the person G4S employed for security [08:10] directhex: /o\ [08:10] Hehe [08:10] haha [08:11] TheOpenSourcerer, patents are a limited government-granted monopoly. like copyrights, the terms should only be a couple of years in this millennium, not getting longer [08:12] i think headwear would be a good idea today. [08:13] bigcalm: Issue with resources is the only thing I'd have a guess at ? [08:13] Pharmaceutical Co.s who spend billions and tens of years developing new drugs are the kind of area where patents are relevant. Not for some blokes idea to make a tablet with rounded corners. [08:14] diplo: 31GB of space available [08:14] I meant mem/cpu [08:14] morning [08:14] lo popey [08:14] i hate patents, with a passion [08:14] (though this might be because the ones i come across are ridiculously complicated) [08:15] * popey might have lunch in the park in farnham today [08:15] diplo: mysqld is currently taking 14% of the system's memory, but that's because I've just started it back up [08:15] Morning popey! [08:15] TheOpenSourcerer, there's still wifi on the bandstand isnt there? [08:15] If not, there's always 3G [08:15] * TheOpenSourcerer wonders if there is not a suitable park in Farnborough for popey [08:15] nah, its just that the kids are going there [08:16] thought I'd go along [08:16] popey: I have no idea. Is there? [08:16] http://www.farnham.gov.uk/life/news/article/325.html [08:16] bigcalm: Looked into whether mysql can log it's processes more verbosely ? [08:16] diplo: server isn't under any real load: 0.02, 0.06, 0.06 [08:16] Just having a quick google now [08:17] Nice. TY popey [08:17] I will remember that. [08:17] diplo: thing is I never know when it actually dies. It's one of my parents' friends that emails me when their site stops working [08:17] oh pretty neat, i didn't know that [08:17] thats one of the reasons we had the geeknic around it at oggcamp [08:17] nagios and monitor it? [08:17] * bigcalm goes to camp in Farnham [08:18] hehe [08:18] diplo: I guess so. Never used nagios before though :) [08:19] popey: I had no idea about the free wifi for the geeknick. Needs more publicising [08:20] popey: yes, the free wifi in gostrey meadow works great [08:24] bigcalm: does upstart restart the process? [08:25] jacobw: it's meant to I guess [08:28] bah today appears to be one of those days where my mug is leaking.. it keeps being empty :( [08:32] Mark Zuckerberg, the man who some believe has done more to erode privacy than anyone else, has been awarded his first ever patent … for privacy. Patent #8,225,376 limits what users reveal online by implementing a privacy policy on their status updates and profile information. [08:32] \o/ [08:33] * daubers wonders if he can patent a method of protecting the revenue stream for commonly implimented technologies [08:36] hehe [08:42] bigcalm: Sorry was on the phone [08:42] Can give you a hand if you want to set it up [08:45] Wow, it doesn't look simple to setup :) [08:45] It's actually quite simple tbh [08:45] It's just a pain for the first time to look at it :) [08:45] Ok :) [08:46] * bigcalm stops googling for howtos [08:47] basically on initial install you will have a localhost.cfg in /etc/nagios/objects ( I think ) [08:47] and nagios.cfg in /etc/nagios [08:47] So copy localhost and call it mysql-mums.cfg or something [08:47] bigcalm: If you are going to start using Nagios then nagstamon is a great little app fpr the desktop [08:47] then edit nagios.cfg to load the new cfg [08:47] freckle: this is for a VPS [08:48] And restart nagios [08:48] that's about as simple as it needs to be, you can make it a lot more involved :) [08:48] bigcalm: yes, it sits on your desktop and alerts you when there is an issue reported by your nagios [08:48] I see [08:48] bigcalm: there's also the Nagios firefox plugin [08:49] I used nagstamon for a bit but it was much more prone to random behaviour than the plugin [08:49] Either install nagios nrpe or use check_by_ssh [08:49] nagios3 from the repositories? [08:49] also, anag on android seems brilliant [08:49] Yep bigcalm [08:49] Ta [08:49] sh-3.2$ /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_by_ssh -H 192.168.1.16 -landy -C uptime [08:49] heh [08:50] * diplo is actually playing atm [08:50] never had an issue with nagstamon [08:50] there is a plugin for mysql in nagios.. use it to check status of replication [08:51] It's just installed samba :| [08:52] bigcalm: better to complile from source for that very reason [08:52] Too late :D [08:52] Nooooo don't compile from source! [08:53] I really don't understand why people still do, not worth the hassle [08:53] diplo: it's callled freedom :) [08:54] Thinking of all the services i monitor and all the servers i monitor, I've never bothered with mysql.. guess we haven't had any issues [08:54] Yeah, also a PITA :) [08:54] diplo: not for me [08:55] bigcalm, I'd recommend OpsView over nagios [08:55] when you have a bunch of mysql with 2 way replication and queries per second in the high 100's you want to monitor [08:55] Not compiled anything for everyday use since Qmail for mail server many years ago [08:56] yeah that's a different usercase i guess [08:56] I would think about it then as well, but generally I'd advise most people to install from repos for stuff like this. [08:56] * bigcalm grumbles at computers [08:57] popey: reasons? [08:57] easier to configure [08:57] its based on nagios [08:58] you could write your own monitoring system like we did at work with SNMP ;) [08:58] Also Icinga, Web2.0 style.. also based on nagios [08:59] That's what we used to do before Nagios and something beginning with C that I've forgotten [08:59] perl scripts and snmp modules [09:00] Centreon [09:01] "perl scripts and snmp modules" roughly describes Nagios :) [09:02] heh, pretty much yeah.. not sure whether we hadn't heard of it or what before [09:02] Good morning all! :) [09:02] I suggested Nagios after seeing a supplier and them offering us WhatsUp Gold ? Maybe for like 20k [09:04] GOOD MORNING JamesTait \o/ [09:05] maclaren buggy company won't send me a spare part (a screw) to fix my buggy. the consequence is that i buy a dodgy one off ebay - what's worse? [09:06] christel: o/ [09:06] the buggy has a bug? [09:06] yes :( [09:07] :( [09:07] Gaffer tape oimon, it fixes all! [09:07] they say i have to get it fixed by a repair centre. it's a flipping screw! [09:07] haha [09:07] how can i get to the repair centre without a working buggy [09:08] My friends 58 plate S-Max's bumper is held together with it at the moment whilst our MD decides how he wants to procede, now been two months [09:08] :D [09:09] Hello [09:09] * bigcalm gives up and gets on with work [09:09] * nja wonders if people actually speak in this IRC [09:10] nah we are all bots here [09:10] Hi nja [09:10] :) [09:10] * BigRedS types [09:10] irc is for being quiet ;) [09:10] actually, of late, that is a lie [09:10] but sometimes I type [09:10] Most of are at work I guess, so responses vary [09:10] So, what are we all doing? [09:10] Working.... sorta kinda like :) [09:11] suuuuure... "Working" [09:12] hehe [09:13] counting down till lunch time! [09:13] ;) [09:13] Well I have about 8 terminals open, it *looks* like I'm working at least + typing into a console for IRC makes it all the more believable [09:13] ;) [09:14] 4 of those terminals are for my own machines doesn't come into it :D [09:14] So, what happens in Ubuntu UK? [09:15] sometimes we talk about ubuntu, sometimes we talk about beer, sometimes we drink beer and talk about ubuntu and sometimes we make fun of bigcalm [09:15] * christel nods [09:15] diplo: I have to work with WhatsUp Gold [09:15] @christel sound, erm fun... [09:15] christel: don't you mean bigclam? [09:16] bigcalm ;) [09:16] I should put that on highlight really [09:16] Just for you, christel :P [09:16] yes! [09:16] it is almost christmas, why hasn't AlanBell arranged a christmas do yet! [09:16] Very good question [09:17] Does Ubuntu UK do any actual IRL meets, or is it all IRC? [09:17] don't say it is almost christmas... it just was christmas [09:17] nja: re recently went on the RAT and drank lots of ale [09:17] * jacobw processes these statements [09:17] About 12 of us in our group [09:17] nja: we do stuff irl yes -- we always do stuff when its release day and we have random social gatherings (geeknics, pub visits, meals etc) [09:18] this saturday there's an ubuntu-uk bbq in farnham (surrey) [09:18] :) [09:18] :D [09:18] nja: There's also a mailing list and a podcast [09:18] I wonder if there should be a mini-event in September... [09:18] What happens in the Aylesbury branch, because that's the only one I can get to. [09:19] sadly aylesbury is aylesbury [09:19] i'm not sure whether there are (m)any social events in bucks tbh -- though i am sure we could do a happy hour there! [09:19] hmm. OK [09:20] !opsview [09:20] !info opsview [09:20] Package opsview does not exist in precise [09:20] :( [09:21] How do I see what events are coming up? [09:21] nja: join the mailing list is one option :) [09:21] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ will usually also list them [09:21] nja: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk is another option [09:21] Ah, that looks legit. [09:22] More specifically: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk/events [09:22] Though not all events get posted there for some reason :| [09:22] anyone can post stuff there [09:22] who is a member of the launchpad team [09:23] Remember that nobody is paid to do this :D [09:23] Where is this Launchpad team and how hard is it to join? [09:24] nja: the url bigcalm posted, you just need to create a launchpad account :) [09:25] @christel Wouldn't it be on the launchpad website [09:25] @christel Wouldn't it be on the launchpad website? [09:25] Found it! [09:25] Create a launchpad account and then you can join ubuntu teams [09:25] The magic of the Single Sign On :D [09:26] I already have a launchpad account, so that's fine. [09:26] Shingle Shine On [09:26] Hmm, one that LastPass seems to have the wrong password for. Dammit. [09:26] MartijnVdS: channelling Sean Connery? [09:27] OooOo iCal feed. [09:29] So, what programming languages do we do here? [09:29] Me: Java, PHP, HTML, JavaScript, Python, MySql, Used to do C (Kinda forgotten it...) [09:30] Spectrum BASIC [09:30] gord: \o/ [09:30] Spectrum BASIC was the king of all BASIC [09:31] ANyone who thinks BBC BASIC was can take it outside for a round of fisticuffs [09:31] i wish my keyboard was setup like the spectrum, so you could press a key and it would put in the entire command [09:31] GW-BASIC! [09:32] Only Britain... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2178173/Train-drivers-ordered-stop-Olympic-Park-decrepit-overhead-cables-installed-1950s-cope-heat.html [09:32] Mainly the last bit [09:34] Twenty Twelve need to do another series. [09:35] nja: I really think that. [09:36] Good morning :) [09:37] Back to Ubuntu stuffs: "You are here because Launchpad uses the Launchpad Login Service." [09:37] No kidding [09:37] Creating public/private key pair. How does ssh know what file name to use for the private key? [09:38] Twinkletoes, id_rsa.pub for pubkey, id_rsa for private [09:38] directhex: Yeah... thank you... but how does ssh know that? [09:39] directhex: Sorry, I've just found it... man ssh [09:39] directhex: I was previously looking in man sshd_config DUH! [09:39] Woop! LaunchPad has now let me join Ubuntu UK! :D [09:40] most kind of launchpad! ; [09:40] ;) [09:41] Irony, Ubuntu UK mailing list only supports English (USA)... [09:44] hehe [09:45] bye [09:45] bye bye nja [09:46] Sorry jacobw, got stuck on the phone. And you like it ? ( Whats up Gold ) [10:02] Morning all [10:02] Morning davmor2 [10:02] bigcalm: still with the old car :( [10:02] Boo [10:02] You're getting impatient about a new toy [10:02] bigcalm: indeed, it's driving me nuts now I know the money has left my account [10:03] Should have gone there and paid by debit card [10:03] cash! [10:04] hehe [10:04] yes! in coins [10:04] 2p ones [10:04] not legal tender. [10:04] yeah! i'm with MartijnVdS [10:04] * christel nods [10:04] aw [10:04] 2p coins aren't legal tender? [10:05] 10 2p coins are legal tender [10:05] 11 or more are not [10:05] http://www.royalmint.com/aboutus/policies-and-guidelines/legal-tender-guidelines [10:05] weird :) [10:05] * bigcalm wants to see a 11p coin [10:05] Oh, I miss-read [10:05] bigcalm: they don't HAVE to accept, but they could accept it :) [10:06] directhex: I never knew that [10:06] bigcalm: you filled in your form for tonight, and don't forget it ;) [10:06] I've done it on multiple occasions ( especially when I was younger and trying to afford to smoke ) [10:06] davmor2: I printed it off when I got Ron's email [10:06] Dated 18th [10:06] Now the trick is not to forget it [10:06] pound coins are more fun anyway [10:07] heavier ;) [10:07] directhex: and they're valid for any amount :) [10:08] bigcalm: fill it in and put it in your car now! [10:09] davmor2: the fact that I said dated 18th indicated that I had filled it in [10:10] oh did it now [10:10] :o [10:10] bigcalm: no it indicates that you 1. have a computer in front of you 2. have the ability to tell the date of an email 3. still doesn't indicate it is filled in :D [10:10] Bah :P [10:10] christel: it did in my mind [10:14] :P [10:16] directhex: just saw your tweet about SS3 on steam, well I'm now defo interested! [10:17] * diplo likes a bit of Serious Sam [10:18] i got a bit bored, 66% of the way through... but supporting games on linux is very important to me [10:18] it's how i got into linux in the first place [10:18] They did a 3rd game?! [10:18] Doing* [10:18] lol, I thought evolution was broken [10:18] \o/ [10:18] they also remade the first two [10:18] Released sometime this year [10:18] but the third game added iron sights so i'm not interested [10:18] turns out they just finished the unity integration properly [10:18] yeah bought them in *HD* gord :) [10:18] gord: aye, I have the HD versions for both [10:19] don't say HD :P [10:19] its a pc game, i was running the originals HD [10:19] heh [10:19] er, 4th game [10:19] serious sam the first encounter, serious sam the 2nd encounter, serious sam 2, serious sam 3 [10:20] * bigcalm scratches his head [10:20] bigcalm, gta, gta2, gta3, gta:vc, gta:sa, gta4! [10:20] directhex: good point [10:20] windows 7 is windows version 6.1 :D [10:22] serious sam games did traditionally get linux ports [10:22] Wasn't XP 5.1? [10:22] and 95 4? [10:23] http://liflg.org/torrents/serious.sam.tfe_1.05beta3-english-2.run.torrent for SS:TFE installer, http://liflg.org/torrents/serious.sam.tse_1.07beta1-english-2.run.torrent for SS:TSE, http://liflg.org/torrents/serious.sam2_2.070beta2.1-multilanguage.dvd.run.torrent for SS2 [10:23] MartijnVdS, correct on both counts! [10:24] xp 64-bit was 5.2 though [10:24] hence the tons of incompatibilities? [10:24] yes. 5.2 is the server 2003 version number, so most apps checking the version would refuse to install on a "server os" [10:24] * MartijnVdS has new shininess: https://plus.google.com/100189567362844794281/posts/ERNWNmFK96W [10:25] win7 was numbered 6.1 so any apps checking for vista support (6) would work [10:25] There was some legal reason for a Windows version number [10:25] was it NT 3.51 or 4? [10:25] Something about a "3"-version of Windows and IBM [10:26] poor you, I'm back... [10:27] scrollback doesn't suggest i should feel overly upset [10:27] hehe [10:28] welcome back nja :) [10:28] Ni-Nja? [10:28] @MartijnVdS Some people call me ninja. Can't think why... [10:29] @ tags are still visible to everyone right?# [10:29] tags? [10:29] everything you say is visible [10:30] muahaha [10:31] any sql gurus in da 'ouse? [10:31] OK, just making sure I am replying correctly [10:31] TheOpenSourcerer: ask away [10:31] I speak SQL @TheOpenSourcerer [10:31] Now that I did tag wrong [10:31] nja: natively? [10:31] I need some advice on joins etc. [10:32] you speak SQL *at* him? Poor TheOpenSourcerer [10:32] nja: just mention people's names, it's not Twitter :) [10:32] :) [10:32] Might need to do some patebining [10:32] hang on. [10:32] * MartijnVdS hangs on [10:32] @MartijnVdS WHAT?!? [10:32]