[00:15] <binarymutant> is ext4 still "unstable"?
[00:15] <binarymutant> or good to use
[00:16] <Unit193> That's the default, last I knew.
[00:16] <binarymutant> k
[00:26] <binarymutant> My laptop needs a hvac
[00:27] <wrst> binarymutant: maybe a big window fan?
[00:27] <binarymutant> Lol
[00:28] <binarymutant> A big window fan sitting right under the processor
[00:29] <wrst> yep with a block of ice?
[00:29] <binarymutant> Or gpu, whichever is on fire
[00:29] <binarymutant> Ya that liquid nitrogen stuff
[00:30] <wrst> there you go
[00:30] <wrst> fires are never good
[00:31] <binarymutant> Maybe I just need a tougher laptop
[00:50] <chris4585> my laptop can get up to 75c if it doesn't breath :|
[00:50] <chris4585> most of the time though I have it propped up
[00:52] <binarymutant> How do you prop it chris4585
[00:54] <chris4585> I did use a remote until my brother got me this thing designed for laptops
[00:54] <binarymutant> Oh
[00:54] <chris4585> now if I'm charging and watching youtube it gets like 50c
[00:56] <binarymutant> Its weird that the fan is on the bottom
[01:09] <cyberanger> netritious: I actually don't like vim, use it often, npt by choice though
[01:10] <binarymutant> Wut
[01:10] <binarymutant> !?
[01:13] <cyberanger> binarymutant: some servers and routers don't have anything else to use
[01:13] <cyberanger> hrm
[01:13] <binarymutant> vim is the best
[01:14] <cyberanger> binarymutant: some servers and routers don't have anything else to use, so vim it is
[01:14] <cyberanger> but I just don't like it
[01:14] <binarymutant> that's because some servers and routers know what the best is :P
[01:15] <cyberanger> think smartphones too for that matter
[01:15] <binarymutant> yes I have vim on my android
[01:19] <binarymutant> I've vim'd my firefox too
[01:20] <binarymutant> vim everything lol
[01:30] <binarymutant> vim crazy
[04:07] <binarymutant> 2 monitors, 2 Xservers, 1 machine, no vt switching: how?
[04:08] <RagnarokAngel> you're above my paygrade on video setup there binarymutant
[04:08] <binarymutant> paygrade?
[04:09] <RagnarokAngel> bad joke
[04:09] <RagnarokAngel> definitely above my level of expertise
[04:09] <binarymutant> I can get two xservers at the same time to work, but I have do vt switching: like ctrl+alt+f8
[04:09] <RagnarokAngel> yeah
[04:10] <RagnarokAngel> so you can only view one at a time?
[04:10] <binarymutant> yeah
[04:11] <RagnarokAngel> i mean you could build a chroot to run an X server but I think that creates more problems than it solves.
[04:11] <Unit193> xserver-xephyr?
[04:14] <RagnarokAngel> binarymutant: are you trying to have them both display the same thing?
[04:14] <binarymutant> RagnarokAngel, no
[04:15] <RagnarokAngel> then what's the point of two x sessions?
[04:15] <binarymutant> Unit193, what provides that?
[04:15] <binarymutant> idk
[04:15] <Unit193> That's the packagename.
[04:18] <RagnarokAngel> I'm interested if you get it working
[04:19] <binarymutant> brb
[04:38] <binarymutant> screw it
[05:08] <binarymutant> grah separate xscreens driving me nuts
[05:27] <binarymutant> figured it out
[05:30] <Unit193> Need to set a server password. :P
[05:34] <binarymutant> you?
[05:34] <binarymutant> me? no
[05:35] <binarymutant> using twinview
[05:37] <Unit193> IRC server pass that is.
[05:38] <binarymutant> just don't accept from anyone except 127.0.0.1
[17:18] <RagnarokAngel1> are you guys all set up with ssd OS partitions?
[17:19] <RagnarokAngel1> well ssd os drives.
[17:19] <wrst> RagnarokAngel1: no, but I do have one at work running windows
[17:26] <RagnarokAngel1> I'm thinking of getting one instead of upgrading my laptop wrst
[17:28] <wrst> I LOVE the ssd at work
[17:29] <wrst> when i can afford it i plan on putting one in my laptop
[17:34] <RagnarokAngel1> newegg had some 120s on their shell shocker for $80
[17:35] <wrst> yep they are getting close i would like to be in the 320GB range
[17:35] <RagnarokAngel1> is there any reason ctrl+alt+f1 wouldn't drop me to a terminal?
[17:36] <RagnarokAngel1> and just return a black screen?
[17:36] <wrst> RagnarokAngel1: not that I know of generall y that will always send you to tty1 unless something has been tweaked
[17:37] <RagnarokAngel1> this thing gets through login and then seems to fail inexplicably
[17:37] <RagnarokAngel1> Maybe I should try logging into a non-graphical?
[17:38] <wrst> RagnarokAngel1: be a good plan i think
[17:39] <RagnarokAngel1> hmm
[17:39] <RagnarokAngel1> it's a gui login and I have no mouse from the touchpad? This is useful.
[17:40] <wrst> sounds like xorg is weird
[17:40] <Svpernova09> Let me introduce you to the tab key :_)
[17:40] <RagnarokAngel1> it defaults to the login and tab is working like enter Svpernova09
[17:41] <wrst> Svpernova09: :)
[17:41] <Svpernova09> Ouch, sounds like keyboard layout isn't correct.
[17:42] <RagnarokAngel1> I have a feeling linux mint just did something weird.
[17:42] <wrst> RagnarokAngel1: well.... thats what you get for running linux mint... sorry :)
[17:43] <Svpernova09> Mint takes quite a few liberties
[17:43] <RagnarokAngel> yeah, I'm not installing it for myself.
[17:43] <wrst> i know RagnarokAngel :)
[17:43] <Svpernova09> Is it odd / nonstandard hardware? that is Mint's shining spots.
[17:44] <RagnarokAngel> It wasn't working corrently with the 12.04 installer
[17:44] <RagnarokAngel> it failed to install grub
[17:45] <RagnarokAngel> and when I did install grub on it it didn't autodetect anything.
[17:45] <wrst> oh that one RagnarokAngel :|
[17:45] <RagnarokAngel> this thing loads all the way to the desktop and then I can't seem to interact with it at all.
[17:47] <RagnarokAngel> Welcome to linux mint. Everything you press on the keyboard or attempt to do with a mouse won't do anything.
[17:47] <RagnarokAngel> wait
[17:47] <RagnarokAngel> I've got a terminal!
[18:23] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: going better?
[18:23] <RagnarokAngel> not really
[18:23] <RagnarokAngel> I'm getting a fail install of dconf-tools and that seems to be my solution.
[18:24] <RagnarokAngel> gdm is failing and the main issue.
[18:25] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: is this a fresh install?
[18:27] <RagnarokAngel> yeah
[18:27] <wrst> wow
[18:27] <wrst> that's a pain!
[18:30] <RagnarokAngel> it seems mdm is screwing with it a bit?
[18:34] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: that's an odd one, what type of video card ?
[18:36] <RagnarokAngel> I think it's an ATI Radeon HD 4250
[18:36] <RagnarokAngel> which is the integrated whatever on this laptop
[18:40] <RagnarokAngel> and pretty crap according to phoronix
[18:44] <RagnarokAngel> gah
[18:44] <RagnarokAngel> cinnamon has it's own config program?
[18:56] <cyberanger> hey RagnarokAngel, long time no see
[19:07] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: oh my cinnamon
[19:07] <wrst> can you talk them into anything else?
[19:08] <chris4585> I think I have an radeon 4250 or close to it on my board, works on arch with the radeon driver
[19:10] <chris4585> yeah I have that
[19:10] <cyberanger> cinnamon seems decent, but intel chip and I didn't like it enough to switch from openbox
[19:10]  * chris4585 is currently using openbox
[19:29] <wrst> cyberanger: i just don't get what they are doing with cinnamon
[19:30] <wrst> they could have easily done everything they do with extensions to gnome shell cinnamon is totally useless
[19:30] <cyberanger> wrst: gnome 2 replacement, without the gnome shell clutter
[19:30] <Unit193> MATE is Gnome2.
[19:30] <wrst> cyberanger: its a fork of gnome 3 doesn't it use clutter?
[19:30] <cyberanger> that's the idea, seems like the original reason, they've gone beyond that now
[19:31] <wrst> better said its a fork of gnome-shell
[19:31] <wrst> its stupid
[19:31] <wrst> i can go to http://extensions.gnome.org and in a few minutes have nearly the same functionality and it doesn't constantly crash as I have heard cinnamon does
[19:32] <wrst> the linux mint guys could have focused on extensions and done a lot better job than trying to fork something
[19:32]  * wrst vents
[19:32] <wrst> sorry I just don't have much love at all for linux mint
[19:33] <Unit193> ^
[19:34] <Unit193> Though, LMDE+Xfce may get a short VM test, but I don't like that. :(
[19:35] <wrst> again Unit193, why not just use debian testing with xfce? the DE of mint doesn't do much as far as drivers etc
[19:36] <Unit193> wrst: I have set it up like that, it's pretty nice except no Xfce 4.10. ;/
[19:36] <wrst> weird why not Unit193?
[19:36] <wrst> is that not in the debian testing repos yet?
[19:36] <Unit193> Unstable doesn't either. :/
[19:37] <wrst> Unit193: it was in arch like a day after it was released
[19:53] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: the arch way.
[19:57] <wrst> yep the non-stale package way :)
[19:59]  * wrst notes that restarting windows services is a joke
[20:00] <wrst> wb netritious
[20:00] <RagnarokAngel> I think I'm just going to find a different distro.
[20:01] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: curious why not ubuntu?
[20:01] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: that installer fail happened twice.
[20:02] <wrst> ohh RagnarokAngel does have to be a more easy to use distro? thinking debian might be something worth trying
[20:02] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: installing grub manually is not on my to-do list
[20:02] <wrst> thats why i was thinking debian?
[20:10] <RagnarokAngel> I've never installed Debian, wrst.
[20:10] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: have you used the ubuntu  alternate installer?
[20:11] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: yeah I think so.
[20:11] <wrst> if you have, you have more or less used the debian installer i think the ubuntu alternate installer is pretty much a purple version :)
[20:11] <RagnarokAngel> ah, not too big of a deal.
[20:11] <RagnarokAngel> I could grab that image while I'm at it
[20:12] <RagnarokAngel> huh they even have live images now?
[20:12] <wrst> yeah don't know if they are official or not?
[20:13] <RagnarokAngel> I'm on debian.org and getting the mirrors
[20:13] <RagnarokAngel> I don't really want to deal with jigdo
[20:13] <chris4585> I think they are, but can't install from the live side or something like that
[20:14] <chris4585> maybe I'm thinking of a different distro
[20:14] <wrst> chris4585: i think there is something odd vs. most live cds
[20:15] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: i would suggest a net install image, less to download on the front end and you get the latest updates
[20:15] <wrst> if you are going debian stable it will be gnome2 which isn't bad either
[20:19] <chris4585> RagnarokAngel, do you know what part of the installer failed? have you tried an older version of ubuntu?
[20:21] <RagnarokAngel> chris4585: it was an error in the way it tried to install grub2. I'm unsure if an older version would fix
[20:22] <chris4585> very odd, but you never know
[20:23] <RagnarokAngel> I just feel bad handing someone unity...
[20:25] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: i really don't unity in 12.04 while not for me at all is a very good gui or at least i think so
[20:26] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: Yeah, you're probably right.
[20:26] <chris4585> oh, I would too in that case
[20:27] <chris4585> well there is fedora
[20:27] <wrst> oh me
[20:27] <wrst> :)
[20:27] <wrst> or something like opensuse with kde is nice
[20:28] <chris4585> mint kde 13 I heard was good.. if you could get it to install
[20:29] <RagnarokAngel> I have mint with cinnamon 13. This thing is a pain and I want to just scrap it.
[20:29] <RagnarokAngel> Also I'll probably be running point on any questions and I don't like KDE environments very much
[20:29] <RagnarokAngel> personal opinion
[20:30] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: can't argue there nothing wrong with kde either just not my thing
[20:30] <chris4585> I thought the laptop was for someone else or am I not understanding?
[20:30] <RagnarokAngel> it is
[20:30] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: what type of laptop is it?
[20:31] <RagnarokAngel> but it's someone who doesn't know a lot and will definitely ask me questions regarding it's misuse.
[20:31] <RagnarokAngel> Dell Inspiron M5030 wrst
[20:32] <RagnarokAngel> brb
[20:33] <chris4585> seems like linux isn't the answer here, just my opinion
[20:33] <chris4585> darn
[20:33] <wrst> chris4585: its one of those things that its not worth the effort if they are expecting windows some times
[20:34] <chris4585> yeah, I'd just put a boot leg xp or win7 on there and be done with it
[20:34] <chris4585> I mean, did I say that?
[20:35] <wrst> well it probably has a COA anyway but yeah i agree chris4585
[21:32] <wrst> wb... i think binarymutant :)
[21:32] <wrst> oh wait yep
[21:32] <binarymutant> ty ty
[21:32] <wrst> how are you doing binarymutant?
[21:33] <binarymutant> good, trying to figure out why some of these xbmc plugins segfault
[21:35] <binarymutant> and having wifi issues
[22:35] <netritious> thx wrst for the wb hours ago :P
[22:36] <netritious> how's everyone?
[22:58] <wrst> good netritious, how are you?
[22:58] <wrst> its irc, its timeless around here :)
[22:59] <netritious> true wrst. :)
[23:00] <wrst> netritious: had to add some much needed commas
[23:01] <netritious> lol
[23:04] <wrst> ok netritious this is totally off topic but everytime i check the news and see the entertainment section, which i have no clue why its news anyway, but its some star that we are supposed to care about let nude pics get away... you know if you don't went them to get out why do you take them?
[23:04]  * wrst feels sure that neither he nor netritious will have this problem
[23:06] <wrst> all that once again makes this seem more appealing than ever: http://mars-one.com/en/
[23:07] <netritious> it's just for publicity, you know that wrst
[23:07] <wrst> well of course thats why i let those pics out... no wait!!!
[23:08] <wrst> netritious: i just don't understand the general public's obsession with "stars"
[23:08] <wrst> i mean come on we are smarter and twice as sexy
[23:08] <netritious> lol
[23:08] <binarymutant> Theyre the american royalty
[23:08] <wrst> sorry netritious, long hot day i think i may have fried some brain cells
[23:09] <wrst> ohhh binarymutant don't get me started on the snooty royalty in the mother country :)
[23:09] <binarymutant> Lol
[23:10] <wrst> anyway binarymutant enough of my brain cell-less rattling how are you doing?
[23:10] <Unit193> "I don't want to live on this planet anymore"
[23:11] <wrst> Unit193: here you go: http://mars-one.com/en/
[23:11] <binarymutant> Lol
[23:12] <binarymutant> Id think the.moon would be first
[23:12] <Unit193> wrst: I saw that movie, didn't end well.
[23:12] <Unit193> Also, who knows where that quote is from?
[23:12] <binarymutant> Not me
[23:12] <wrst> i have no clue Unit193, i was just wanting to truck you off to mars
[23:13] <Unit193> Yeah, still not far enough for most people...
[23:14] <wrst> well Unit193 if it helps i want to go too
[23:14] <Unit193> Still too many people for me.
[23:15] <wrst> oh wow
[23:15] <wrst> :)
[23:15] <wrst> that hurt!
[23:17] <Unit193> Not you it didn't. :D
[23:18] <wrst> good point :) catch everyone later
[23:25] <netritious> cya wrst