[05:17] <len-dt> ailo, The only thing I am seeing with midi timing is a general spread of notes that are played simultaneously. A lengthening of notes. I was using drum track with noteon/off pretty much the same time. (zero tics as far as qtractor could tell) all of the notes were at least .003 - .006 (3 to 6 tics) after going out the midi port and back. With rtc root.root it was mostly .008 or more.
[05:19] <len-dt> I think default tic is 1/96 quarter note.
[05:22] <len-dt> Three beats/notes that started out on top of each other, ended up beside each other... close to .020 difference with no rtc. about .010 with. This is with clocks at stock 64.
[05:24] <len-dt> I think the reason my demo sounded so bad is that it is quite busy. I think you may find testing with 10 or 20 simultaneous notes will give a clearer picture.
[05:25] <len-dt> Single note stuff was very good. 
[05:29] <len-dt> ailo, this is continued on the list.
[06:21] <ailo> len-dt: I see. The more activity, the more jitter, then
[06:23] <ailo> len-dt: I got problems with a single track drum beat though
[06:23] <ailo> Back when I did that
[14:07] <len-dt> scott-work, Thank you for your comments on the list. The latest ISO has my fixes for the menu... including the help button which now actually does something other than error.
[14:08] <len-dt> It points to our web page and as it sat going through the home page I noticed that publishing is already named as something UbuntuStudio is good for.
[14:10] <len-dt> This makes not having a publishing section a bug. I will add a section to the graphics meta under the photography part and add the three apps we discussed.
[14:11] <len-dt> I will also add a menu section for it. Hopefully we have an icon coming for that as that is the first one I asked for.
[14:12] <len-dt> I will file a bug and link the blueprint item to the bug. And the changes to the bug.
[14:13] <len-dt> scott-work, don't feel you need to comment about all this stuff, it is just a FYI thing.
[14:14] <scott-work> len-dt: which three apps are you going to include in the graphics meta?  not alchemy and krita, right?
[14:14] <len-dt> No, publishing, Scribus, fontmanager, fontforge
[14:15] <scott-work> len-dt: oh yeah, sorry, answered  many email and dealing with way wicked stuff at work
[14:15] <len-dt> krita will be up to the user to install, but I will leave a link.
[14:15] <scott-work> len-dt: would you have fifteen minutes to add some notes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Alpha3 ?
[14:15] <scott-work> you are more involved lately and know what has changed and needs checking
[14:16] <len-dt> I will take a look.
[14:16] <scott-work> it would need to be done in the next two hours basically
[14:16] <len-dt> OK
[14:16] <scott-work> if you can't i will make time
[14:17] <len-dt> So you want me to tell what has changed for A3?
[14:17] <len-dt> I just edit the doc?
[14:17] <scott-work> aye, just edit the doc, but i would only mention "important" or notable things
[14:18] <scott-work> the context is for the latest images to be checked
[14:18] <scott-work> so i wouldn't note if we corrected a spelling mistake, for example, but i would note if we changed a setting for jack or similar that might change (hopefully improve!) performance
[14:19] <scott-work> think of this as a channel for user and tester feedback
[14:20] <len-dt> We haven't done that much, Fixed the the menu added afew apps. The tweaks are still in testing.
[14:26] <scott-work> len-dt: if we can add anything to the technical overview, that would be good
[14:28] <len-dt> I am editing it right now, should I include things we will do next?
[14:29] <scott-work> no, just any technical aspect users or testing might encounter for this alpha image
[14:31] <len-dt> I don't know if jackd has been fixed, but that would be upstream of us anyway. Not unique to US.
[14:32] <len-dt> scott-work, Take a look ... is that what you wanted?
[14:39] <scott-work> that looks good, thank you :)
[14:41] <len-dt> scott-work, I will probably have the publishing stuff done today.
[14:50] <scott-work> len-dt: good :)
[14:50] <scott-work> but don't inlcude that in the techincal overview though :P
[14:50] <len-dt> Too late.
[14:51] <len-dt> Bug #1028938 
[15:09] <scott-work> HEHE
[15:09] <scott-work> oops, sorry for caps
[15:09] <scott-work> hehe
[16:09] <len-dt> falktx, does kxstudio have ffado drivers? (newer than ubuntu has)
[16:10] <falktx> len-dt: yes
[16:10] <falktx> latest svn, checkout 1.5 months ago
[16:12] <len-dt> falktx, Thank you, there is a user on the other channel who is looking for it.
[16:12] <micahg> we need to merge from Debian (they have svn2171 which is significantly newer)
[16:13] <len-dt> micahg, Do you know if they have fixed jackd?
[16:14] <micahg> debian 670985 is the only related thing I see
[16:14] <len-dt> Bug #956438 
[16:14] <len-dt> this is actually a jackd bug
[16:15] <len-dt> kxstudio ships jackd with this fixed
[16:15] <micahg> we're in sync with Debian
[16:15] <micahg> if there's a patch, let's get it in
[16:15] <len-dt> I think his is patched.
[16:15] <micahg> preferably through Debian multimedia
[16:16] <len-dt> it's on my list :P
[16:17] <micahg> I didn't mean now :)
[16:17] <len-dt> I need to do some things with the kids today
[16:18] <falktx> I think ffado needs to be rebuild with jack installed, so it knows what version to expect
[16:19] <falktx> there was an issue about this for me, fixed by rebuilding ffado with libjack-dev
[16:21] <ailo> Ah, missed the discussion here
[16:21] <len-dt> sorry
[16:25] <ailo> Seems like jackd2 is up to date on quantal
[16:25] <ailo> I need to try it
[16:26] <ailo> Nope, it's the same as on Debian Wheezy
[16:26] <ailo> Same bug still
[16:29] <len-dt> Just installed precise for testing - 240 updates - no kernel :(
[16:30] <micahg> that's because no one's uploaded a lowlatency kernel for precise
[16:30] <ailo> len-dt: /win7
[16:30] <ailo> Sorry :)
[16:41] <len-dt> micahg, That was my comment. I don't feel confident to take that over too.
[16:42]  * len-dt has just a basic understanding of kernel stuff... enough to add a driver from early days.
[16:45] <ailo> I am in the kernel team
[16:45] <ailo> We planned on taking that over from TheMuso, but there was some inclarity as to who was going to maintain it in the future
[16:46] <ailo> UKT is doing Quantal, as it seems, but not Precise
[16:46] <ailo> I'll poke him about it
[16:47] <micahg> it needs to go through the security team (or the kernel team)
[16:49] <scott-work> leann (from UKT) seemed quite amenable to providing scripts to automating the updating of the lowlatency kernel
[16:49] <scott-work> i'm not sure UKT has officially committed to updating the lowlatency kernel for Quantal, have they?
[16:49] <micahg> they've been doing it
[16:49] <micahg> no idea on future commitment
[16:52] <ailo> I'll write an email to Luke, and ask him if he could help with a transition soon
[17:02] <ailo> The jack_control bug on Debian has a bug report, and a patch for Debian
[17:03] <ailo> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=675719
[17:05] <ailo> len-dt: So, you never had the same jackdbus issue with jack_control?
[17:06] <len-dt> No
[17:06] <ailo> len-dt: I thought you said that the bug was related to jackdbus, and not qjackctl
[17:06] <ailo> In which other situation were you not able to kill jackdbus?
[17:08] <len-dt> I thought you meant with the pacth applied.
[17:08] <len-dt> Yes I had the same problem with jack-control with ubuntu's jackd
[17:08] <scott-work> ailo: luke just removed himself from the ubuntu studio dev team
[17:09] <scott-work> not sure if that is just a superficial thing to not get as many emails or it portends anything else
[17:13] <len-dt> micahg, the new ubuntustudio-default-settings will not work for precise. There are three bugs: 1) help return doc not found 2) mixers in media playback
[17:13] <len-dt> 3) accessories, education and network menu ittems have no icon.
[17:14] <ailo> scott-work: Would still be nice if he could give some pointers as to how he was doing it,
[17:14] <len-dt> I take it I need to branch off an older version and fix that
[17:14] <ailo> Anyone know how to get access to the ubuntu git server, and add a repo there?
[17:15] <micahg> len-dt: no, you should start with the precise version and merge the relevant changes in (start a new branch off of the last precise version if you'd like to continue to maintain for the LTS)
[17:15] <len-dt> micahg, two questions: how do I do that? Is it worth while?
[17:15] <ailo> I'll give Luke a couple of days to respond. Then I'll just start bothering the kernel team :)
[17:16] <micahg> len-dt: well, it would be nice if you're planning on making future changes, then you can cherry pick stuff from devel
[17:16] <micahg> len-dt: make sure the commits meet the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates requirements as well
[17:16] <len-dt> Can I just push a new branch then?
[17:16] <micahg> len-dt: yep
[17:17] <len-dt>  I will name it similar to some older branches that are version specific
[17:17] <micahg> version should start with $PRECISE_VERSION.1
[17:17] <micahg> for the UNRELEASED changelog that is
[17:19] <len-dt> Thanks. I will have some fun I guess. Please expect some mistakes whilst I learn
[17:20] <astraljava> len-dt: With me in the project, believe me, micahg is more than used to mistakes. :)
[18:53] <Len-nb> micahg, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio.precise.
[18:53] <Len-nb> am I on the right track?
[19:24] <Len-nb> micahg, second question. There are apps in the graphics meta that need to be divided into metas.
[19:25] <Len-nb> Does that take outside work? or do I just great the seed files? And make sure the links are there from desktop etc.
[19:25] <Len-nb> s/great/create
[20:16] <micahg> Len-nb: yes, on the right track
[20:17] <micahg> Len-nb: re new metas, the ubuntustudio-meta package needs to be respun
[20:17] <Len-nb> Good, I will add only fixes for bugs
[20:18] <Len-nb> But the respin is after the file changes. Will the respin automatically create any new metas in seeds?
[20:18] <micahg> Len-nb: so, if you can cherry pick stuff from the quantal/trunk branch, that's best if appropriate (bzr merge -c REVNO /path/to/quantal's-default-settings
[20:18] <micahg> Len-nb: please don't push any meta/seed changes unless they're needed for alpha3 until the freeze is lifted in case the DVD needs to be respun
[20:19] <Len-nb> Some I can merge. the help one needs to be on its own though
[20:21] <Len-nb> micahg, Ok, I should revert the seeds then. Can I shelve them?
[20:21] <Len-nb> Or can they be unreverted later?
[20:22] <Len-nb> and .. when is the freeze over?
[20:23] <micahg> Len-nb: maybe revert for right now, as long as you don't uncommit it, you can always revert the revert later
[20:23] <Len-nb> micahg, OK will do
[20:23] <micahg> freeze is over sometime tomorrow when alpha3 is released (#ubuntu-devel should have the archive state in /topic)
[20:25] <micahg> new metas also need changes in STRUCTURE
[20:31] <Len-nb> Ya, I knew about structure. 
[20:33] <Len-nb> micahg, ok I did bzr revert -r 1334
[20:33] <Len-nb> do I just push? 
[20:33] <Len-nb> Or do I have to commit?
[20:35] <micahg> commit with a message why and then push
[20:35] <Len-nb> right
[20:38] <Len-nb> micahg, done.
[20:43] <micahg> Len-nb: thanks
[20:43] <Len-nb> np
[22:41] <Len-nb> micahg, Please add to your list https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio.precise
[22:42] <Len-nb> I would like to test a final package against a precise install (it all seemed to work here)
[22:44] <Len-nb> Then I can figure out SRU... or do I have that backwards?
[22:54] <micahg> Len-nb: you can build it yourself to test, then file the SRU paperwork, then I can upload
[23:03] <Len-nb> micahg, is there an easy way to build on my machine?
[23:03] <Len-nb> Or does it get done on the branch?
[23:18] <micahg> Len-nb: pbuilder or sbuild
[23:18] <Len-nb> Thanks.