[09:15] <Riddell> hmm littlegirl had to go away for a bit, no updates docs this cycle I guess :(
[10:24] <Riddell> Quintasan: does bug 475530 tell us any more about getting kimpanel to work?
[10:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: what is bug 1017490 needed for?
[10:38] <yofel_> Riddell: tomahawk if you want that in the archive
[10:39] <Riddell> ah yes
[11:39] <Riddell> 4.9!
[11:41] <apachelogger> haha
[11:42] <apachelogger> pgst has a regression
[11:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you reject the SRU?
[11:42] <Riddell> let me see
[11:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: kicked
[11:42] <apachelogger> merci
[11:44] <Riddell> I'm going to lunch, if nobody is onto 4.9 when I get back I'll get started
[11:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: we are not going to throw everything up using debfx's script?
[11:47] <Riddell> that's what I plan to look at
[11:47] <apachelogger> k
[12:10] <debfx> the script still has an issue that it aborts when building a package fails
[12:10] <debfx> which usually happens when a patch doesn't apply
[12:11] <debfx> ideally it would upload the package anyway and let it ftbfs
[12:12] <debfx> but not sure if that's possible
[13:49] <Riddell> does gpg-agent work for people?
[13:49] <Riddell> it hasn't worked for me in a while
[14:00] <jtechidna> What's the status of lsb wrt qt3 in quantal?
[14:00] <Riddell> mm I said I'd post to the ubuntu-devel list so I did
[14:01] <jtechidna> Riddell: gpg-agent, is that what makes pinentry pop up for package signing, etc?
[14:01] <Riddell> jtechidna: yes
[14:01] <jtechidna> it's been on the fritz for me too
[14:01] <Riddell> works ok for a new users for me
[14:03] <Riddell> infact works ok when I copy my ~/.gnupg over to the new user
[14:03] <ScottK> Works on precise.
[14:04] <ScottK> Riddell and jtechidna: Since Debian removed Qt3 and we're two years away from an LTS release, I think we should go ahead and remove it too.
[14:04] <jtechidna> I agree
[14:05] <jtechidna> the sooner the better
[14:05] <ScottK> Now is definitely the time.
[14:05] <jtechidna> right after LTS is the best time to do it
[14:11] <jtechidna> ScottK: btw, have you heard from barry about any further developments
[14:11] <jtechidna> +?
[14:11] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: No.  He tend to fall of channels and get distracted (he's even older than me), so I'd give him a ping.
[14:12] <jtechidna> ok, I'll do so when I get home
[14:12] <ScottK> If someone will troll the archive for Qt3 rdepends and file a comprehensive removal bug, I'll do the removal (ping me once the bug is filed).
[14:14]  * jtechidna volunteers
[14:16] <Riddell> I've posted to ubuntu-devel
[14:16] <Riddell> I recommend waiting until the release team meeting tomorrow to remove it
[14:17] <jtechidna> we'd need to merge the appropriate debian lsb changes before doing that, too
[14:17] <Riddell> yes
[14:17] <jtechidna> bug 960101 made me chuckle
[14:18] <Riddell> "Qt3 is a show-stopper for me now." umm why?
[14:19] <Riddell> must be one of those repeat shows on a unloved digital channel
[14:19] <ScottK> Riddell: I didn't figure to do it today.  Need to give someone a chance to volunteer to become upstream.
[14:19] <jtechidna> thankfully, it's very unlikely for that to happen
[14:21] <Riddell> upstream?  upstream moved on years ago
[14:21] <debfx> I though that trinity guy is maintaining qt 3 now ;)
[14:21] <ScottK> I think he's porting KDE3 to Qt4 now.
[14:21] <ScottK> jtechidna: Agreed.  That's why I put it the way I did.
[14:22] <ScottK> (see my reply to Riddell)
[14:22] <debfx> ScottK: I doubt that since porting to Qt 4 requires quite some work.
[14:22] <ScottK> I probably remember wrong.
[14:23] <jtechidna> last I saw he was trying to make some sort of compatibility layer so that Qt3 code could run against a Qt4 runtime, or something crazy like that
[14:23] <jtechidna> TQt or something
[14:28] <jtechidna> some of these Qt3 rdepends date back before the -0ubuntu* versioning scheme was put in to use in Ubuntu
[14:30] <debfx> which one?
[14:30] <jtechidna> several, they also advertise the app as being "for X", lol
[14:31] <jtechidna> xxdiff and zsafe, to name some
[14:32] <debfx> I think they are just synced from Debian
[14:32] <genii-around> How log before A3 hits cdimage.ubuntu.com  ?
[14:32] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: congrats, ktuberling just became a QA reference app for phonon :S
[14:33] <tsdgeos> i rock!
[14:33] <Riddell> we always knew it
[14:33] <debfx> hm why doesn't reverse-depends find zsafe
[14:34] <jtechidna> I find reverse-depends very unreliable
[14:35] <jtechidna> I prefer apt-cache rdepends even with its false-positives
[14:35] <debfx> I'd rather fix reverse-depends
[14:38]  * apachelogger 'd rather apt-cache rdepends fixed
[14:38] <apachelogger> actually rdepends should become rrelates and there should be a proper rdepends
[14:41] <BluesKaj> looks like I have java problems with Firefox. Is there anything I should check for besides the plugins ? ...chromium works fine btw
[14:41] <debfx> jtechidna: aha, zsafe has already been removed from quantal :)
[14:41] <jtechidna> you've found me out, I'm on precise ;)
[14:42] <debfx> see, that's the advantage of reverse-depends :P
[14:42] <jtechidna> yeah :P
[14:43] <debfx> jtechidna: in fact many of the packages you created tasks for have been removed
[14:43] <jtechidna> yeah, I'm finding that out now >.>
[14:43] <jtechidna> oops
[14:43] <Riddell> they've probably been removed from debian with the qt 3 removal and so removed from ubuntu recently
[14:44] <debfx> seems like qsstv has been ported to qt 4
[14:44] <debfx> this is the list I got from reverse-depends: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1111993/
[14:46] <jtechidna> I'll take this as an opportunity to close the bugs for removed software
[16:12] <Riddell> debfx: when it fails due to a patch needing changed do I really have to start again from the start?
[16:12] <Riddell> presumably that'll commit duplicated changelog messages
[16:14] <ScottK> presumably it's got a list of packages to do.  Can't you just remove the ones that succeeded from the list?
[16:14] <ulysses> hello, all kde-telepathy-* package refers to the telepathy-kde package which does not exist, there is kde-telepathy instead
[16:14] <debfx> Riddell: you can work around that by inserting a packages = packages[X:]
[16:15] <ulysses> (on Kubuntu 12.04)
[16:21] <Riddell> ulysses: refers how?
[16:22] <ulysses> Riddell: in the long description: „This package is not meant to be used standalone. It is recommended to install the telepathy-kde metapackage instead.”
[16:23] <Riddell> ulysses: oh I see, that's fixed in 12.10 and kde-telepathy 0.4 backports
[16:23] <ulysses> okay
[16:24] <Riddell> and if that's the biggest problem you can find with them we're doing pretty good :)
[16:26] <Riddell> I'm out of business cards, anyone want some kubuntu business cards?
[16:41] <Riddell> yofel: hmm your project neon blog isn't on planet ubuntu
[16:41] <Riddell> and my most recent once didn't appear there either
[16:41] <Riddell> it's a conspiracy!
[16:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes
[16:42] <shadeslayer> digikam was uploaded to proposed
[16:45] <Riddell> morning shadeslayer :)
[16:45] <shadeslayer> more like evening ;)
[16:45] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion plasma-widget-networkmanagement 0.9.0.3
[16:45] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1029550
[16:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you mark the amd64+mac image as ready?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> kind of ready actually, X doesn't start because of some issues
[16:49] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Where did you upload digikam? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=digikam
[16:49] <shadeslayer> ScottK: someone might have approved it : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/4:2.7.0-0ubuntu1
[16:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I've not touched amd64+mac
[16:50] <ScottK> Ah.  Excellent.
[16:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I managed to get full EFI boot off a USB, so I did test it :)
[16:51] <shadeslayer> I should blog about it
[16:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but jibel seems to have marked it as passed, so I guess X is working for him
[16:51] <shadeslayer> maybe he booted it via BIOS emulation
[16:51] <shadeslayer> that hides the Intel Graphics
[16:52] <shadeslayer> doesn't cause problems with X then ...
[16:55] <BluesKaj> I have what appears as java issues with Firefox 15 on kubuntu 12.10 ..looking for bug reports etc , but none seem to fit ...some applets don't load properly
[16:57] <Riddell> BluesKaj: firefox -> #ubuntu-desktop
[16:58] <BluesKaj> Riddell:  I'm on KDE
[16:59] <Riddell> BluesKaj: it's not a KDE programme
[17:00] <BluesKaj> Riddell:  it comes down the install pipe with built in installer ...seems default to me 
[17:02] <Riddell> nevertheless, it's not something we look after
[17:03] <BluesKaj> not asking for anyone to "look after " , I'm asking if anyone has seen the same problem and knows a fix or workaround , that's all
[17:06] <rdieter> BluesKaj: perhaps if you'd followed Riddell's advice, you'd be in a venue where you'd have a better chance of getting the answers you want.  instead, you'd rather argue?
[17:06] <BluesKaj> not a rguing rdieter , just responding 
[17:06] <rdieter> just sayin, i'd venture if anyone did have anything helpful to give you, they would have by now
[17:07] <ScottK> BluesKaj: Take what he said as "you'll have more luck there" and not "go away, not our problem".
[17:07] <ScottK> Technically it's really #ubuntu+1 user support material.
[17:08] <BluesKaj> ScottK:  yeah , I asked there , i got th brush off ...file abug response :)
[17:08] <yofel> Riddell: oops, that's because I missed the checkbox for that. So my fault
[17:08] <ScottK> I think it's either that or ask in #uubntu-desktop.
[17:09] <yofel> Riddell: and we already have plasma nm 0.9.0.3 in quantal - if anything precise should be updated somhow
[17:11] <BluesKaj> ScottK:  why ubuntu-desktop ., I have kubuntu-desktop...anyway , I'll just use chromium for a while instead ...I won't bother you again about browsers 
[17:11] <ScottK> BluesKaj: Because they take care of Firefox, not us.
[17:11] <yofel> BluesKaj: maybe ask in #ubuntu+1
[17:12] <ScottK> yofel: He did already.
[17:12] <BluesKaj> yofel:  I did , "go file a bug" 
[17:12] <yofel> oh, didn't scroll back far enough, sry
[17:14] <BluesKaj> yofel:  np , I realize this isn't the place ... it was a kind of last resort question 
[17:15] <ScottK> Did you ask in #ubuntu-desktop?
[17:20] <BluesKaj> ScottK: this is the topic at #ubuntu-desktop, If you want to help out, check out http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop | For support please join #ubuntu".
[17:27] <ScottK> Then I'd file the bug.
[17:40] <micahg> BluesKaj: I gave you a link to where you can troubleshoot, not just file bug (there are steps there of things to try before filing a bug)
[20:11] <sheytan> HELLO!
[20:11] <sheytan> Does anyone here knows where lightdm kde stores its themes?
[20:12] <sheytan> i'm now trying it. It's still not as on my mockup, but close :D
[20:14] <yofel> sheytan: from a quick look at the package it seems to be in /usr/share/kde4/apps/lightdm-kde-greeter/themes/
[20:14] <yofel> best ask agateau for something specific
[20:14] <sheytan> yofel thank you!
[20:14] <sheytan> i will
[20:22] <sheytan> is plasma QML from top to bottom for 4.9 yet? ;d
[20:30] <ScottK> No.
[20:30] <ScottK> Pretty sure not.
[21:16] <Riddell> sheytan: no there's plenty that isn't QML
[21:29] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/quantal-alpha-3-out
[21:36] <ScottK> \o/