[00:58] <snowrichard> hi
[00:58] <snowrichard> just got a thinkpad T60 used laptop, put kubuntu on it
[01:38] <MrSeiko> I'm wondering if someone can offer me some guidance...  I'm fairly new to ubuntu, and I can get my Wifi to work, but it will only work if I have a LAN cable connected during system boot up.
[02:01] <chazor_> im trying to get dual boot to work i have both windows seven and ubuntu 12.04 installed but i dont have a boot manager? or atleast its not working can any one tell me what im doing wrong
[02:03] <chazor_> any one?
[02:03] <chazor_> ive tryed googling it but all ive managed to get was back into ubuntu no grub or windows boot loader
[02:04] <Venom> whats the best fs?
[02:04] <chazor_> venom i think every ones asleep lol
[02:04] <Venom> filesystem
[02:04] <Venom> oh i see
[02:05] <MrSeiko> just the three of us
[02:05] <Venom> lol
[02:05] <chazor_> sighs
[02:06] <MrSeiko> agreed.
[02:06] <MrSeiko> :S
[02:06] <chazor_> im having issues dual booting eather one of you have any insight?
[02:06] <MrSeiko> I used http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/05/17/how-to-dual-boot-ubuntu-12-04-and-windows-7/
[02:06] <chazor_> and venom what are you looking for in diferant fs to do
[02:07] <chazor_> ive tried that
[02:07] <chazor_> my issue is i started with ubuntu
[02:07] <Venom> faster performance with LARGE directorys
[02:07] <c2tarun> anyone knows a way to install garamond font on kubuntu?
[02:07] <chazor_> now i have ubuntu and windows installed
[02:07] <chazor_> but ive only managed to get into ubuntu via live cd reboot
[02:08] <chazor_> witch still leaves me without a boot manager
[02:08] <chazor_> and i cant get grub working
[02:11] <MrSeiko> I'm not sure chazor_
[02:13] <MrSeiko> Any time that I had ever dual booted, I always started with the Win install first, then installed ubuntu
[03:17] <Daskreech> !grub
[03:49] <bigsky> why add-apt-repository not works on kubuntu:( it works on ubuntu...
[03:49] <bigsky> http://iyanwu.com/pastebin/showthread.php?tid=1648
[03:58] <harolddong> always works for me
[04:39] <ilias> hi all. i am running 12.04 after i upgrade 10.04. i want to change my splash screen but although i downloaded some new themes i dont see them install. where are they be installed in my /home?
[04:41] <ilias> i want to change login screen not splash.
[06:43] <ilias> hi all. any idea on how can i change my computer's name under 12.04. gedit doesn't work. any other way?
[06:58] <azbarcea> ilias: you may use any editor to edit /etc/hostname
[06:58] <azbarcea> ilias: sudo nano /etc/hostname
[06:58] <azbarcea> ilias: sudo kate /etc/hostname
[06:58] <azbarcea> ilias: any of those
[06:58] <azbarcea> ilias: vi /etc/hostname
[07:00] <ilias> ok. sudo kate /etc/hostname worked. just rename and save?
[08:57] <ilias> hi. i realised that when i changed my computer's name using "sudo kate /etc/hostname" kmail (although i change default domain name could send the mails and gave the error: "An error occurred during authentication: SASL(0)" how can i fix it without return to my previous name (when i did it everyting was perfect)
[09:04] <ilias> any idea?
[09:05] <ilias> as far as i can understand kmail reads somewhere the old hostname and cannot accept the new one. when i change to the old everything is ok. where can i find whta kmail reads to switch to the new name?
[09:15] <ilias> if someone have any idea i appreciate it!
[09:19] <Dipsy> do i know you DjangBlue ? :P
[09:20] <susundberg> ilias: i do not see how your computer name should have anything to do with sending email to remote server
[09:20] <susundberg> ilias: you mean sendin email like sending via smtp with google account?
[09:36] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:49] <ilias> I dont either  how the computer's name should have anything to do with sending email to remote server, but actually it does. I am sending email using kmail through smtp.live.com if that helps
[10:21] <ilias> is it possible at 12.04 instead of arrow to use cross to indicate the dirs tree?
[11:17] <ilias> is it possible at 12.04 instead of arrow to use cross to indicate the dirs tree?
[11:19] <mydogsnameisrudy> not sure what your trying to do ilias
[12:05] <nag_> hi guys, i have a doubt on debugfs command. i want to recover one file , with google i found this command , i tried but not working . Can some one help me out
[12:21] <nag_> can some one help me out
[12:33] <rork> !ask | nag_
[12:34] <nag_> i already asked the ques
[12:34] <nag_> i want to recover one file , with google i found this command , i tried but not working . Can some one help me out
[12:34] <nag_> debuugfs
[12:36] <rork> ah, I'm sorry, I wasn't there at the time. Unfortunately I don't have any experience in this
[12:36] <nag_> rork: oh k
[12:54] <jtr__> hello, can someone help me with the "First_Program" at KDE Techbase?
[12:54] <jtr__> it says "kil8n" and "il8n" not declared within scope ( PS : i have included KLocale )
[14:50] <jdrs> Anyone here using Alpine? Alpine always loses connection. Every after 3-5 minutes I open my inbox then the message "Waiting for server reply. Still waitining..." message appears. Then it breaks the connection. It there a way to fix this?
[14:51] <jdrs> or a workaround?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> jdrs: refresh my memory , what's alpine ?
[14:52] <jdrs> Mail client. Pine.
[14:52] <jdrs> Now it's Alpine.
[15:04] <BluesKaj> sorry jdrs , know nothing about textbased email clients , never used any
[15:05] <jdrs> That's okay. I'm reading the archives now.
[15:12] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[15:13] <OerHeks>  hi phoenix_firebrd
[15:13] <Stick_> hi
[15:13] <phoenix_firebrd> OerHeks:  Stick_ hi
[15:15] <phoenix_firebrd> Stick_: what?
[15:48] <bbeck> I installed the telepathy 0.4 preview, and quite like it.  I noticed today that 0.4.1 has been released.  Does anyone know if that will get pushed out?
[15:48] <bbeck> It has an AIM fix that I'm really looking forward to.
[16:25] <decci> Hi Guys..I need a tool which can backup from Linux to Windows and can be automated/schedules
[16:26] <DarthFrog> From Linux to Windows?  Ususally it's the other way 'round.
[16:27] <DarthFrog> Personally, I'd mount the Windows partition in Linux and write a script to do the backup.  Use cron to schedule it.
[16:29] <Daskreech> decci: why would it need to be specific that it's going to windows?
[16:29] <Daskreech> does the windows section/computer need to interact with the backup?
[16:30] <genii-around> Daskreech: You can't preserve permissions for example
[16:30] <DarthFrog> genii-around: Even in a tarball?
[16:30] <Daskreech> genii-around: Yes but I'm just trying to get what the parameters are
[16:30] <genii-around> DarthFrog: tarred up, yes...straight file copy, of course not...
[16:31] <Daskreech> Which leads me to wonder if Linux can read ACLs from Windows and Mac
[16:33] <genii-around> decci: I'd probably use something like freeSSHd on the windows machine, then tar up what you want to copy and scp it over
[16:33] <genii-around> Bleh, they left
[16:37] <BluesKaj> afraid we have a generation that doesn't know the meaning of patience , growing up in an instant gratification age where everything is a disposable commodity :)
[16:38] <DarthFrog> Well, I guess that includes our caring about their issues if they can't be bothered.
[16:41] <BluesKaj> yup, there's no caring at all, "I need it now ", spoiled and mollycoddled to a sense of entitlement without work ...not all mind you , but quite a lot
[16:59] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: preach
[17:01] <BluesKaj> that was my rant ...not preaching , stating my observations of behaviour here
[17:02] <Daskreech> Back in my day we rolled our own drivers, uplib! and we liked it
[17:08]  * genii-around sips and reminisces about issuing emerge world in Gentoo on a P1-133 with 128MB ...
[17:10] <poetic_algebra> damn kids...  get off my lawn!
[17:10] <poetic_algebra> you and your music
[17:11] <genii-around> poetic_algebra: You forgot the cane-waving and frisbee-hoarding ;-)
[17:12] <poetic_algebra> oh, right =]
[17:15] <Daskreech> apt-get install frisbee libwave on-topic
[17:17] <genii-around> Daskreech: If it was busy in here I'd point people to -offtopic
[17:19] <poetic_algebra> xset meshuttingup activate
[17:19]  * Daskreech hugs genii-around and avoids getting coffee over everything
[17:19] <genii-around> Heh
[17:19] <Daskreech> btw does anyone have an issue with the keyboard dying in KDE 4.8.90 ?
[17:20] <poetic_algebra> I haven't, no
[17:20] <genii-around> Daskreech: Not here.. but I'm on 12.10 ( still 4.8.90 though )
[17:20] <Daskreech> genii-around: Hmm Last week my keyboard kept dying.
[17:20] <poetic_algebra> I'm on 12.04
[17:21] <Daskreech>  Which reminds me is there a way to reboot the keyboard without killing X ?
[17:21] <BluesKaj> genii-around:  are you using FF on 12.10 ...notice and java applet probs ?
[17:21] <BluesKaj> and=any
[17:22] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Not that I know of.. but I'm still using the Sun Java
[17:22] <BluesKaj> already asked on ubuntu+1 , got the "file a bug" brush off
[17:22] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: i have the same problem
[17:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: not just keyboard but also mouse
[17:23] <BluesKaj> sun java eh ? ..hmm
[17:23] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: Notice any patterns? It seems to go away for me anytime i switch somethign to full screen
[17:23] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I manually installed Sun/Oracle jre1.7.0_04
[17:23] <Daskreech> My Mouse runs on FB I dont' know if that makes a difference
[17:23] <BluesKaj> genii-around:  tarball ?
[17:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: i think in my case, x hangs or its kwin
[17:23] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: can you ssh in?
[17:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: total freeze
[17:24] <Daskreech> if kwin stops painting the mouse should still move since most people have it painted in fb
[17:24] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Yep, then i put it in usr/lib/jvm/jre1.7.0_04   and tinkered with update-alternatives to add it in
[17:24] <Daskreech> If not then it may be a X freeze. If you can't ssh in it's probably a kernel bug
[17:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: in that case, i think its a x crash or a kernel panic
[17:25] <Daskreech> Hopefully X
[17:26] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: i think there was a bug fixed recently for the kernel , i saw it in the update
[17:26] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: are you using lightdm?
[17:26] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: :-) There are always bugs fixed in the update :) was it relevant?
[17:26] <Daskreech> No
[17:27] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: ya, the changelog contained something like reverting a patch , which caused xserver crashes
[17:27] <Daskreech> ah ok cool
[17:41] <Daskreech> http://www.datamation.com/open-source/seven-expectations-of-linux-users-1.html is a great read and should be in the (at least OT) topic >_>
[18:06] <ceti331> hi i'm in ubuntu, i've installed kde,  but have kwin 4.8.4... is it possible to get 4.8.95
[18:07] <poetic_algebra> there's a backports ppa which will allow you to upgrade to 4.8.90
[18:07] <ceti331> ok how does that work..
[18:09] <poetic_algebra> the ppa is here:
[18:09] <poetic_algebra> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[18:09] <poetic_algebra> you can follow the instructions, or apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta, then apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
[18:11] <ceti331> thanks
[18:11] <poetic_algebra> sure thing
[18:25] <lordievader> Good evening
[18:56] <Daskreech> lordievader: Hi
[18:57] <lordievader> Hey Daskreech, how are you?
[18:58] <Daskreech> Broken. How are you doing?
[18:58] <lordievader> Daskreech: I'm doing just find, trying not to notice the heat,
[18:59] <Daskreech> apt-get install gtkpool
[19:00] <lordievader> Where do I enter that? I have never seen a "god's" terminal floating around...
[19:09] <Daskreech> lordievader: It slides down from the sky when invoked
[19:10] <lordievader> Daskreech: And how does one invoke it?
[19:11] <dougl> konsole? sudo?
[19:16] <Daskreech> lordievader: man file not found
[19:16] <lordievader> Daskreech: lol :P
[19:16] <Daskreech> ;-)
[19:28] <BadDesign> freaking *nix sound systems... they suck
[19:29] <Daskreech> Replace them?
[19:29] <Daskreech> Oh sound systems
[19:29] <BadDesign> now my sound doens't work "well" on Kubuntu 12.04 I hear modulations and alien voices when I play something
[19:29] <Daskreech> gstreamer?
[19:29] <BadDesign> Phonon uses gstreamer in Kubuntu ?
[19:30] <Daskreech> I think so
[19:30] <BadDesign> (by default, I mean)
[19:30] <daniel_____> BadDesign: Agreed. Worst thing is Skype screws everything up and you have to use alsamixer to tune mic-boost down. Drives me nuts!
[19:30] <BadDesign> From what I see that's the case
[19:31] <daniel_____> BadDesign: You can change it to use a VLC backend if you want or even Xine.
[19:31] <Daskreech> Xine is no longer maintained
[19:32] <BadDesign> The updates from the last couple of days broke my sound
[19:32] <daniel_____> Daskreech: Yeah true. I have never really had issues with gstreamer though. I "think" VLC will be default soon.
[19:34] <lordievader> VLC seems te have a bit better audio quality, but that might just be me.
[19:35] <BadDesign> What package has vlc as a backend for phonon?
[19:35] <daniel_____> lordievader: Yeah I think so too.
[19:35] <lordievader> BadDesign: I believe it was something like phonon-backend-vlc
[19:35] <daniel_____> BadDesign: sudo apt-get install phonon-backend-vlc
[19:36] <BadDesign> that's it thanks :)
[20:06] <goliat> Hi
[20:07] <goliat> i have problem with wifi... under kubuntu. I installed linux-firmware-nonfree, and iwlist scanning see networks.... but network manager dont
[20:07] <goliat> I was restarting network-manager, and interfaces and computer and still dont work
[20:08] <goliat> I have Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN
[20:08] <genii-around> Dis you make some manual change to your /etc/network/interfaces file?
[20:09] <goliat> no
[20:10] <daviddoria> how do I install the proprietary nvidia driver in 12.04?
[20:11] <lordievader> daviddoria: Have you tried the jockey?
[20:11] <BluesKaj> daviddoria: from the nvidia website?
[20:12] <lordievader> daviddoria: Kmenu -> applications -> System -> Additional Drivers
[20:13] <daviddoria> lordievader, there is nothing in the list there
[20:13] <goliat> any ideas?
[20:13] <daviddoria> BluesKaj, I thought there were more "built in" ways to do it these days
[20:13] <genii-around> !info nvidia-current
[20:14] <genii-around> daviddoria: Add restricted repository then lordievader's method
[20:14] <BluesKaj> daviddoria:  type jockey into krunner (alt+f2)
[20:14] <daviddoria> genii-around, is that the x-updates repo?
[20:14] <genii-around> daviddoria: No that is the restricted repository of archive.ubuntu.com
[20:15] <daviddoria> I just installed nvidia-current but there is still nothing in that list - maybe I need to start a new session or something?
[20:16] <BluesKaj> daviddoria:  how did you install nvidia-current ?
[20:17] <daviddoria> BluesKaj, using this: http://codepad.org/NfZPjiQH
[20:18] <daviddoria> BluesKaj, yea the instructions here: http://www.techlw.com/2012/03/install-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-1204.html say to restart
[20:18] <daviddoria> brb
[20:19] <BluesKaj> daviddoria:  X has to be disabled when installing a graphics driver , it looks like it installs but it's overridden by the  default ,probly the nouveau
[20:20] <BluesKaj> too late .. no matter
[20:24] <daniel_____> daviddoria: There is a specific guide for Kubuntu. jockey is notorious for not working - this is a perfect guide http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/how-to-install-nvidia-25635-display.html
[20:24] <daviddoria> That worked, once I restarted it showed up in the list
[20:25] <daviddoria> but now when I try to setup my two screens, I get "Failed to set MetaMode (1) 'DFP-0: 1680x1050 @1680x1050 +1680+0, DFP-4: 1680x1050 @1680x1050 +0+0' (Mode 3360x1050, id: 52) on X screen 0."
[20:28] <daniel_____> goliat: A good idea is to install WICD with a gui. That usually solves most people's problems. By the way, Intel should just work out of the box, never had an issue before
[20:28] <daniel_____> daviddoria: Correction, I meant this website http://dragly.org/2012/05/04/installing-the-nvidia-driver-in-kubuntu-12-04/
[20:36] <daviddoria> Anyone have any idea about this "failed to set MetaMode" error?
[20:36] <daviddoria> (sorry, I'm on IRC on a different machine now so I can actually read the responses and restart at the same time :) )
[20:39] <BluesKaj> daviddoria:  does the driver show up in additional drivers? ...I have to ask :P
[20:39] <doriad_> BluesKaj, yes, and it says that it is in use
[20:40] <BluesKaj>  daviddoria , ok good
[20:40] <doriad_> BluesKaj, so what's with this MetaMode error?
[20:41] <doriad_> In the nvidia-settings, I see both monitors, and they are set to the same resolutions they were set to before I installed nvidia-current
[20:41] <BluesKaj> daviddoria:  sorry I haven't seen that issue before ...dunno how to handle it
[20:43] <BluesKaj> doriad_:  is nvidia-settings installed ?
[20:44] <doriad_> BluesKaj, yes, this is where I'm trying to set up the resolutions and this is what is giving me the error
[20:44] <BluesKaj> !nvidia-settings
[20:45] <BluesKaj> it's not a default install witht driver , it gives more options in the gui as well afaik
[20:46] <doriad_> BluesKaj, yes, I have it and am using it
[20:47] <BluesKaj> doriad_:  and invidia-current-updates as well ?
[20:48] <jessie> So, I am using Kontact, but the main toolbar (file, edit, etc.) has disappeared in the kmail portion. I've tried ctrl+M but it did not bring it back.
[20:54] <doriad_> so I disabled the proprietary driver
[20:54] <doriad_> and now in KDE's Display settings, I only see 1 monitor
[20:55] <jessie> Well, fixed my problem by restoring a backup of my ~/.kde/share/config/kontactrc file.
[20:56] <Daskreech> jessie: what did you have in the broken file?
[20:56] <jessie> It's long. Let me post a copy online. One momonte.
[20:56] <jessie> *moment
[20:57] <jessie> Actually, the relevant part is under [MainWindowkontact_kmailplugin]
[20:57] <Daskreech> !paste
[20:58] <jessie> It says MenuBar=Disabled.
[20:58] <jessie> I tried deleting that line, but it didn't like that, so I restored a copy from earlier. That worked.
[20:58] <jessie> Also, the Height was different
[21:00] <maex> hallo
[21:00] <maex> hallo
[21:01] <maex> suche hilfe
[21:01] <maex> wlan kummer#
[21:01] <jessie> !english
[21:07] <Rid3r> hi there
[21:07] <Rid3r> I would like to know if it's safe to alow an user to lanche xserver
[21:11] <BluesKaj> Rid3r:  he needs the xserver for gui desktop
[21:11] <Rid3r> BluesKaj: who he ?
[21:12] <BluesKaj> the user
[21:12] <Rid3r> I just want to know if it's safe
[21:14] <BluesKaj> what kind of desktop are you using now, Rid3r?
[21:16] <Rid3r> a kdm but anyway I don't want to lanch a desktom manager but a xserver
[21:16] <BluesKaj> the xserver will already be running if you are using kdm
[21:17] <Rid3r> ...
[21:17] <Rid3r> I just want to know if it's safe...
[21:17] <Daskreech> Rid3r: It can be. What is the person's purpose?
[21:17] <Rid3r> to run a xserver as user
[21:18] <Daskreech> You can use xnest if you want to contain them
[21:18] <BluesKaj> it must be , you already have it on :)
[21:18] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: I think he means a new Xserver process for that user
[21:18] <Daskreech> And I suppose they can turn it on and off as they please
[21:18] <Rid3r> k I will red about Daskreech
[21:18] <BluesKaj> Daskreech:  I asked him THAT
[21:18] <BluesKaj> oops
[21:20]  * BluesKaj shakes his head ...why didn;t he say so , a differnt user as xserver ...gawd
[21:20] <Rid3r> cauz I lanch a virtual machine in an other tty...
[21:20] <BluesKaj> like trying to squeeze water from a stone
[21:20] <Rid3r> BluesKaj: different or not that is not the point dude
[21:20] <BluesKaj> i'm not a "dude"
[21:21] <Daskreech> Rid3r: of course
[21:21] <Rid3r> lol
[21:24] <BluesKaj> you know Rid3r , you could have mentioned the circumstances , it could have helped me tom understand what you meant ...we get so many questions here that aren't clear because of language barrier ..we need more detail ,,,at least I do
[21:27] <BluesKaj> think I've had enough for one day
[21:39] <Rid3r> Daskreech: beforte to install xnest can I lanch it as user ? and it will load more memory ?
[21:39] <Daskreech> Before you install it ?
[21:40] <Rid3r> ow... was already there*
[21:43] <Rid3r> I'v read an old topic...
[21:45] <Rid3r> Daskreech: I add the magick cookie and I try Xnest -auth .Xauthority :1 & or :2 but it still in the same tty...
[21:45] <Rid3r> ow can I lanch it in an other tty ?
[21:45] <Rid3r> with -display ?
[21:46] <Daskreech> are you looking for something like http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Multiseat ?
[21:48] <Rid3r> Daskreech: ow no... sometimes I  use sudo xinit /usr/bin/vmplayer -- :1
[21:48] <Rid3r> and as you see it's not secure
[21:49] <Rid3r> so I would like to know if it's safe to add a user to Xauthority to do it
[21:49] <Daskreech> Rid3r: Maybe hop into #xorg ?
[21:50] <Rid3r> Daskreech: ow I don't know that chan... I will continu my reserch and it I still bloked I will thanks :)
[21:50] <Phiscribe> Rid3r what do you mean by save, if the users has a secure password then probably, granting universial access to x, probably not
[21:50] <Phiscribe> safe that is
[21:51] <Rid3r> Phiscribe: ok so way by default the user was not in Xauthority ?
[21:51] <Rid3r> why*
[21:52] <Phiscribe> remote access is usaly not turned on, i guess default is to close the door, let the user open it
[21:53] <Daskreech> Phiscribe: Correct
[21:54] <Rid3r> mmm ok ss I havejust to add my ser :)
[21:54] <Rid3r> user*
[21:54] <Rid3r> arg...
[21:54] <Phiscribe> x over ssh is probably most secure, xauth is only partialy, direct display access not secure
[21:54] <Rid3r> (sorry I hae amicrosoft ieless eyboard)
[21:55] <Rid3r> Phiscribe: all is in localhost*
[22:14] <Rid3r> I'm realy disapointed that dpkg-reconfigure x11-common do not work anymore...
[22:15] <Rid3r> I'll try with Xwarper
[22:28] <Rid3r> it work and the file still updated
[22:28] <Rid3r> merci messieurs
[23:04] <marco__> come faccio per la chat ?
[23:08] <Daskreech> !it
[23:21] <TheOneRing> is there also a kubuntu active quantal quetzal beta?
[23:21] <TheOneRing> alpha
[23:21] <TheOneRing> ^^
[23:21] <TheOneRing> daylies are somehow to unstable
[23:23] <Riddell> TheOneRing: no, upstream haven't made a release to go with the latest KDE so there's not much point yet
[23:23] <Riddell> TheOneRing: are you a user?
[23:23] <TheOneRing> k
[23:24] <TheOneRing> I try to install kubuntu active from time to time on my tablet
[23:24] <Riddell> TheOneRing: what tablet do you use?
[23:24] <TheOneRing> samsung series 7
[23:25] <TheOneRing> XE700T1
[23:25] <TheOneRing> but plasma active needs still some improvement
[23:25] <TheOneRing> ^^
[23:26] <Riddell> TheOneRing: yep needs some work for sure, but that's happening
[23:28] <TheOneRing> and kubuntu active was horrible unstable the last few times I tried it
[23:28] <TheOneRing> with the latest daily the install process  crashed :P
[23:30] <TheOneRing> can I install the desktop version with a more active ppa then https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa ?
[23:31] <Riddell> TheOneRing: well quantal has a recent snapshot of plasma active in it but that doesn't mean it's stable
[23:32] <Riddell> there is no desktop version, that's the point of active :)